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Small, fast, resource-rich processor

Started byTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
First post2013-09-11 11:11 -0500
Last post2013-09-11 22:19 -0400
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  Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-11 11:11 -0500
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Rich Webb <webb.ra@example.net> - 2013-09-11 12:45 -0400
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2013-09-11 16:59 +0000
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 10:08 -0700
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-11 12:27 -0500
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 11:23 -0700
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 11:32 -0700
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 11:30 -0700
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-11 18:26 +0000
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-11 13:37 -0500
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-11 21:51 +0200
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 16:46 -0400
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-12 14:00 +0200
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.stop.fi.invalid - 2013-09-14 10:24 +0000
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 02:38 -0400
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 01:52 -0700
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 12:33 -0400
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-15 13:02 -0500
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 14:33 -0400
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 12:09 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-15 22:12 +0200
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:32 -0400
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-16 09:17 +0200
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-16 10:21 +0100
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 13:53 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:31 +0000
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 04:46 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-17 10:46 -0700
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-17 22:30 -0400
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-17 22:43 -0700
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-18 14:35 +0000
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-18 18:41 +0300
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 09:12 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 07:57 +0000
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 22:22 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-20 05:44 +0000
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-20 00:05 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-20 14:18 +0000
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-20 16:24 +0300
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 08:31 +0100
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-20 12:43 -0500
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 20:29 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-20 21:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-20 15:27 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 23:52 +0100
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-20 18:52 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-20 19:38 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-24 01:20 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-24 01:22 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-24 03:33 -0500
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-24 21:17 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 10:56 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-22 20:08 +0100
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 12:21 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 00:12 +0100
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 16:50 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 09:12 +0100
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-23 06:49 -0700
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-23 16:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-24 01:13 -0700
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-24 02:15 -0700
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-24 15:56 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-23 00:46 -0500
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 23:18 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Arlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl> - 2013-09-23 09:00 +0200
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-23 00:18 -0700
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Arlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl> - 2013-09-23 09:27 +0200
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-23 06:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-23 10:50 -0500
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 13:04 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-20 15:41 +0300
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-20 14:33 +0000
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-20 15:55 +0300
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-20 08:42 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-23 09:06 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 12:07 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-29 22:15 +0200
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 00:33 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-01 10:25 +0200
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 10:26 -0700
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-03 19:07 +0000
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Scott Hemphill <hemphill@hemphills.net> - 2013-10-03 19:17 -0400
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Scott Hemphill <hemphill@hemphills.net> - 2013-10-03 21:00 -0400
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-18 11:29 -0500
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-18 10:20 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 21:53 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 09:48 +0200
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 09:38 +0100
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 11:24 +0200
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 10:53 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 13:12 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 15:31 +0100
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 15:44 +0100
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 22:53 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 08:37 +0100
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 17:48 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 00:37 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 09:14 +0100
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-22 21:31 +0200
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 00:19 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-23 09:23 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 09:00 +0100
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-23 11:31 +0200
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 13:02 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-28 22:54 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-28 22:33 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 22:29 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-29 10:01 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-29 23:02 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 10:36 -0400
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-30 14:09 -0400
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-01 05:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-01 09:19 +0200
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 03:28 -0400
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-01 10:13 +0200
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 12:39 -0400
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-01 16:56 +0000
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-01 18:59 +0000
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 17:25 -0400
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 18:37 -0400
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 19:29 -0400
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 19:31 -0400
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-10-01 16:36 -0700
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 20:51 -0400
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 21:08 -0400
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-02 09:08 +0200
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2013-10-02 09:36 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-02 17:16 -0500
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-10-03 10:15 +0300
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-03 02:32 -0500
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-10-03 15:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 09:06 -0700
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 17:18 +0100
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-10-03 16:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 10:11 -0700
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:52 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-03 09:35 +0200
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-03 03:26 -0500
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-03 13:27 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-03 12:55 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-04 16:59 +0200
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-02 01:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2013-10-03 16:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-03 08:03 -0700
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-03 19:15 +0000
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-03 15:50 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-10-03 15:27 -0500
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-03 16:37 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-03 21:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-04 00:02 -0500
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-10-02 00:12 -0500
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-10-03 10:24 -0700
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-10-02 00:13 -0500
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-02 06:51 +0000
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:55 -0400
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:58 -0400
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 03:12 -0400
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:49 -0400
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 12:04 -0400
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 12:51 -0400
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 15:18 -0400
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:46 -0400
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-01 23:09 +0000
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:53 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 01:45 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 04:34 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 02:17 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-19 16:49 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 17:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-19 13:08 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 20:22 +0000
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-19 14:42 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-20 00:34 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 22:15 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 08:43 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-19 22:16 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-19 12:28 -0500
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-19 15:08 -0400
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 12:52 -0400
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-18 10:23 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 08:03 +0000
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-19 12:53 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 21:31 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 04:18 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 02:02 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 16:47 +0000
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor j.m.granville@gmail.com - 2013-09-24 19:54 -0700
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-25 19:12 +0100
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-25 11:50 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 01:26 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 09:11 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-26 02:12 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 13:46 +0100
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-26 09:55 -0700
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 18:44 +0100
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-26 12:31 -0700
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 23:09 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 08:45 -0400
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 07:44 +0000
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:58 -0400
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 09:45 +0100
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 16:50 +0000
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 07:31 +0000
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:30 -0500
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-17 21:11 +0000
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 13:11 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-17 11:42 +0200
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Al Clark <aclark@danvillesignal.com> - 2013-09-17 14:06 +0000
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-17 16:44 +0200
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:43 -0500
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 13:22 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-18 17:17 +0200
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 16:46 +0100
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 09:16 -0700
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 14:13 -0400
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 20:00 +0100
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-09-18 19:56 -0500
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 09:56 +0100
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 14:01 -0400
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 12:35 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-18 23:28 +0200
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-18 16:39 -0500
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 17:26 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-18 17:56 -0700
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-22 17:53 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-23 01:00 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-23 00:15 -0700
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-23 11:31 -0500
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-23 21:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-23 22:41 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-24 02:57 -0400
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-23 18:42 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-23 21:16 -0500
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-23 20:31 -0700
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-24 12:01 -0500
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:14 -0400
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 00:53 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 09:58 +0200
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-18 16:43 -0500
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:21 -0400
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 00:54 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 08:25 +0000
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 09:03 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 06:47 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 09:46 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 10:06 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 13:45 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 23:54 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 08:31 -0400
                                                      Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-29 23:37 +0000
                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 01:16 +0100
                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-29 22:31 -0700
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 10:06 +0100
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:12 -0400
                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-30 09:24 -0700
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:33 -0400
                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-30 22:48 -0700
                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 03:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-01 00:27 -0700
                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-30 11:37 +0000
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 13:40 +0100
                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:43 -0400
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 17:07 +0100
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:38 -0400
                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-30 18:57 +0000
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-30 12:36 -0700
                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor jhallen@TheWorld.com (Joseph H Allen) - 2013-09-30 20:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-30 20:38 +0000
                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 02:55 -0400
                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-01 11:50 +0000
                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 12:53 -0400
                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-01 17:34 +0000
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 17:31 -0400
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-02 12:15 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 12:19 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-03 11:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 01:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:19 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 23:07 -0700
                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 20:06 -0700
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-01 22:38 -0700
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 03:09 -0400
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 00:51 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 03:58 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 01:27 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 04:24 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 01:54 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:51 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 00:17 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:27 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 23:09 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:30 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-06 10:53 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-09 05:12 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-09 02:24 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-09 12:05 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-09 08:06 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-04 10:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:38 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-04 15:25 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 10:35 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:43 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:29 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-04 01:04 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:40 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 10:21 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:54 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 00:21 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:55 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-03 04:45 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-03 07:19 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:02 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-04 00:55 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:45 -0400
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 10:06 +0100
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-02 02:24 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 10:57 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-02 04:31 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 15:45 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-02 08:29 -0700
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 00:47 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:59 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 10:09 +0100
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:51 -0400
                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 10:44 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-27 01:10 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 08:36 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-29 22:06 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:47 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-30 09:14 -0700
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 01:27 +0200
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:49 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:40 -0400
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 14:53 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:22 -0400
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 15:12 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 14:58 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-15 18:19 -0500
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:48 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-16 17:17 -0500
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 18:41 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:22 -0500
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 15:40 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingo@home.no> - 2013-09-17 18:44 +0200
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:31 -0400
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:44 +0000
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:46 -0500
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 09:21 +0000
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-19 12:26 -0500
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 20:17 +0000
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 08:25 -0700
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 14:16 -0400
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 12:39 -0700
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor langwadt@fonz.dk - 2013-09-18 15:18 -0700
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 09:49 +0000
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:35 +0000
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 13:11 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:26 -0400
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:36 -0400
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:49 +0000
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 05:30 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 10:00 +0000
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-16 16:51 +0000
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:54 -0400
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-16 19:06 +0000
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 15:22 -0400
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2013-09-17 09:40 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:48 -0500
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 15:50 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-17 21:03 +0000
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-17 17:05 -0400
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-17 21:16 +0000
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-17 16:38 -0700
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-17 21:33 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2013-09-18 10:48 +0300
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-15 10:39 -0500
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 12:39 -0400
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-15 12:58 -0500
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-15 11:33 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 14:40 -0400
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-15 14:25 -0500
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 13:35 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 12:40 -0700
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-15 14:57 -0500
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 13:44 -0700
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 01:46 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-16 10:26 +0100
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 02:44 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2013-09-16 09:01 -0400
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 12:18 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-16 10:06 -0500
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-16 10:34 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 12:09 -0700
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-16 17:31 -0500
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 12:00 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:59 +0000
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-17 10:13 +0100
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 05:56 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-17 11:37 +0100
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 16:00 -0400
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-17 21:30 +0100
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 12:46 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 18:00 +0100
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-11 12:10 -0700
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam@nowhere.com> - 2013-09-11 14:30 -0500
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 15:39 -0400
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 15:46 -0400
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 20:39 -0400
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-11 20:03 -0500
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-12 14:09 +0200
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-12 07:11 -0700
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-12 16:34 +0200
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-12 10:42 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-12 12:48 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-12 16:14 -0500
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2013-09-12 21:39 +0200
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-12 23:41 +0200
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-12 16:08 -0500
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-13 01:00 +0200
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-12 23:03 -0500
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-13 08:47 +0200
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2013-09-11 15:40 -0700
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-11 20:05 -0500
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 22:19 -0400

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#13708

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-18 12:35 -0700
Message-ID<7x38p1kjn5.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13704
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> ARM since that would be the low, slow end of ARM devices.  I'm pretty
> sure you would have a hard time getting hardware floating point on a
> $3 device much less double precision. 

The Cortex M4F on the TI Stellaris Launchpad board has IEEE floating
point, but unfortunately I think it's only single precision or else I
would have suggested it for this app.

> BTW, by the time you add all the support circuity and put it on a
> board, that $3 chip will have a retail cost of $50 or close to it.

That Stellaris board is $12.95 retail but I got two of them on
pre-release promotion for $5 each.

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#13710

FromDavid Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
Date2013-09-18 23:28 +0200
Message-ID<8bWdnc27tZdyh6fPnZ2dnUVZ8sGdnZ2d@lyse.net>
In reply to#13708
On 18/09/13 21:35, Paul Rubin wrote:
> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> ARM since that would be the low, slow end of ARM devices.  I'm pretty
>> sure you would have a hard time getting hardware floating point on a
>> $3 device much less double precision. 
> 
> The Cortex M4F on the TI Stellaris Launchpad board has IEEE floating
> point, but unfortunately I think it's only single precision or else I
> would have suggested it for this app.
> 

That is correct - processors with double precision floating point
hardware are usually quite a bit more expensive than those with just
single precision (partly because a DP unit is significantly bigger and
more power-hungry than an SP unit, and partly from the economies of
scale - SP is usually enough).

To run the algorithm on a $3 chip means changing to fixed point rather
than DP FP - or possibly dividing the algorithm into parts that need DP
and parts where SP is sufficient, and doing the DP in software (which is
obviously slower - but perhaps still fast enough).

>> BTW, by the time you add all the support circuity and put it on a
>> board, that $3 chip will have a retail cost of $50 or close to it.
> 
> That Stellaris board is $12.95 retail but I got two of them on
> pre-release promotion for $5 each.
> 

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#13711

FromTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
Date2013-09-18 16:39 -0500
Message-ID<PM2dnZMEB6gDgKfPnZ2dnUVZ5vSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#13710
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:28:15 +0200, David Brown wrote:

> On 18/09/13 21:35, Paul Rubin wrote:
>> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>>> ARM since that would be the low, slow end of ARM devices.  I'm pretty
>>> sure you would have a hard time getting hardware floating point on a
>>> $3 device much less double precision.
>> 
>> The Cortex M4F on the TI Stellaris Launchpad board has IEEE floating
>> point, but unfortunately I think it's only single precision or else I
>> would have suggested it for this app.
>> 
>> 
> That is correct - processors with double precision floating point
> hardware are usually quite a bit more expensive than those with just
> single precision (partly because a DP unit is significantly bigger and
> more power-hungry than an SP unit, and partly from the economies of
> scale - SP is usually enough).
> 
> To run the algorithm on a $3 chip means changing to fixed point rather
> than DP FP - or possibly dividing the algorithm into parts that need DP
> and parts where SP is sufficient, and doing the DP in software (which is
> obviously slower - but perhaps still fast enough).

Which is exactly what I didn't want to screw with for just a few units...


-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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#13715

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-18 17:26 -0700
Message-ID<7xioxxwtap.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13711
Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:
>> To run the algorithm on a $3 chip means changing to fixed point rather
> Which is exactly what I didn't want to screw with for just a few units...

What happens if you use a higher end board (Beaglebone etc.) with
software floating point?  Those things run around 1 GHz so they may be
fast enough even with no floating point hardware.

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#13717

Fromdp <dp@tgi-sci.com>
Date2013-09-18 17:56 -0700
Message-ID<e07737ad-f64c-44d1-a501-dee52bb16609@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#13715
On Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:26:22 AM UTC+3, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:
> 
> >> To run the algorithm on a $3 chip means changing to fixed point rather
> > Which is exactly what I didn't want to screw with for just a few units...
> 
> 
> 
> What happens if you use a higher end board (Beaglebone etc.) with
> software floating point?  Those things run around 1 GHz so they may be
> fast enough even with no floating point hardware.

Doing MAC using multiprecision addition (i.e. use 2 GP regs as an accumulator)
may well be efficient enough.

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#13808

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-22 17:53 -0700
Message-ID<7xvc1stl3g.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13711
Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:
>> To run the algorithm on a $3 chip means changing to fixed point rather
> Which is exactly what I didn't want to screw with for just a few units...

To get back to hardware, I don't know if it's possibly useful but Intel
has been plugging a board called the Minnowboard as their answer to the
Raspberry Pi, Beaglebone type of board.  It uses a 1 GHz Atom processor
and uses something like 3.5W of power (IIRC, I may be mistaken).  It's
all FOSS, has GPIO pins etc. like a Raspberry, and has hardware floating
point including double precision.  Plus it has gigabit ethernet.  Main
drawback is it's rather expensive at $200 or so.

www.minnnowboard.org

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#13809

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2013-09-23 01:00 -0400
Message-ID<l1oht8$r76$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13808
On 9/22/2013 8:53 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Tim Wescott<tim@seemywebsite.really>  writes:
>>> To run the algorithm on a $3 chip means changing to fixed point rather
>> Which is exactly what I didn't want to screw with for just a few units...
>
> To get back to hardware, I don't know if it's possibly useful but Intel
> has been plugging a board called the Minnowboard as their answer to the
> Raspberry Pi, Beaglebone type of board.  It uses a 1 GHz Atom processor
> and uses something like 3.5W of power (IIRC, I may be mistaken).  It's
> all FOSS, has GPIO pins etc. like a Raspberry, and has hardware floating
> point including double precision.  Plus it has gigabit ethernet.  Main
> drawback is it's rather expensive at $200 or so.
>
> www.minnnowboard.org

I think $200 puts it entirely out of the running for a mainstream 
popular product.  Heck, I've bought a netbook for $230.  I don't think 
this is even remotely an "answer" to either of these products.  This 
price puts it solely in the domain of an eval board or reference design 
for corporate users.

-- 

Rick

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#13812

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-23 00:15 -0700
Message-ID<7x4n9cdn4u.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13809
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> I think $200 puts it entirely out of the running for a mainstream
> popular product... This price puts it solely in the domain of an eval
> board 

Yes, I think Tim's application is basically in the "eval board"
category.  It's nicer than a netbook in some ways (gbit ethernet) but I
wouldn't consider it a Beaglebone-like low cost hobbyist product
either.  It was never intended to be a mainstream product, given
the presence of GPIO pins etc.

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#13826

FromTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
Date2013-09-23 11:31 -0500
Message-ID<efGdnb8zWbhk8d3PnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#13809
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 01:00:04 -0400, rickman wrote:

> On 9/22/2013 8:53 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
>> Tim Wescott<tim@seemywebsite.really>  writes:
>>>> To run the algorithm on a $3 chip means changing to fixed point
>>>> rather
>>> Which is exactly what I didn't want to screw with for just a few
>>> units...
>>
>> To get back to hardware, I don't know if it's possibly useful but Intel
>> has been plugging a board called the Minnowboard as their answer to the
>> Raspberry Pi, Beaglebone type of board.  It uses a 1 GHz Atom processor
>> and uses something like 3.5W of power (IIRC, I may be mistaken).  It's
>> all FOSS, has GPIO pins etc. like a Raspberry, and has hardware
>> floating point including double precision.  Plus it has gigabit
>> ethernet.  Main drawback is it's rather expensive at $200 or so.
>>
>> www.minnnowboard.org
> 
> I think $200 puts it entirely out of the running for a mainstream
> popular product.  Heck, I've bought a netbook for $230.  I don't think
> this is even remotely an "answer" to either of these products.  This
> price puts it solely in the domain of an eval board or reference design
> for corporate users.

OTOH, were I still looking, the $200 would put it in the "budget" 
category for me.

Engineering time costs money.  If you're only building a few units, its 
irresponsible to stick your nose up at a $200 board, then go spend $1000/
board or more of extra engineering time so you can "cut expense".

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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#13832

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2013-09-23 21:15 -0400
Message-ID<l1qp2r$6c1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13826
On 9/23/2013 12:31 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 01:00:04 -0400, rickman wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/2013 8:53 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
>>> Tim Wescott<tim@seemywebsite.really>   writes:
>>>>> To run the algorithm on a $3 chip means changing to fixed point
>>>>> rather
>>>> Which is exactly what I didn't want to screw with for just a few
>>>> units...
>>>
>>> To get back to hardware, I don't know if it's possibly useful but Intel
>>> has been plugging a board called the Minnowboard as their answer to the
>>> Raspberry Pi, Beaglebone type of board.  It uses a 1 GHz Atom processor
>>> and uses something like 3.5W of power (IIRC, I may be mistaken).  It's
>>> all FOSS, has GPIO pins etc. like a Raspberry, and has hardware
>>> floating point including double precision.  Plus it has gigabit
>>> ethernet.  Main drawback is it's rather expensive at $200 or so.
>>>
>>> www.minnnowboard.org
>>
>> I think $200 puts it entirely out of the running for a mainstream
>> popular product.  Heck, I've bought a netbook for $230.  I don't think
>> this is even remotely an "answer" to either of these products.  This
>> price puts it solely in the domain of an eval board or reference design
>> for corporate users.
>
> OTOH, were I still looking, the $200 would put it in the "budget"
> category for me.
>
> Engineering time costs money.  If you're only building a few units, its
> irresponsible to stick your nose up at a $200 board, then go spend $1000/
> board or more of extra engineering time so you can "cut expense".

Certainly if you want a commercial product $200 is not a problem.  But I 
don't know that I would use any of these in a commercial product.  The 
rPi is just too loosely supported.  Also they haven't been out a year 
and they are on a second version which is incompatible in many respects 
with the first.  The BBB seems like a more professional unit, but they 
specifically state it is *not* supported for commercial use.  The guy 
providing support said this is because they want to be able to change 
details without worrying about the impact on users.  The BBB itself is a 
good example.  The software for this board took a major deviation from 
the other BB boards and it does not fully support the various daughter 
boards yet.

As for the Minnowboard, I don't know if it is suitable for commercial 
production or not.  From what I have seen so far Intel is throwing this 
out in a similar manner to the rPi, but the $200 price tag doesn't seem 
to indicate that.  For that price I would expect real support.  We'll see.

-- 

Rick

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#13836

FromRandy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com>
Date2013-09-23 22:41 -0400
Message-ID<87r4cfdjqf.fsf@digitalsignallabs.com>
In reply to#13832
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> [...]
> The BBB seems like a more professional unit, but they specifically
> state it is *not* supported for commercial use. The guy providing
> support said this is because they want to be able to change details
> without worrying about the impact on users. The BBB itself is a good
> example. The software for this board took a major deviation from the
> other BB boards and it does not fully support the various daughter
> boards yet.

I was doing some work on the BeagleBone a few months back (which seems
to be an eternity these days...) and Robert Nelson had a spin that 
we used which supported it and our bluetooth module (an LSR TiWi-BLE).
Perhaps he has something to support the BBB (which I presume to mean
BeagleBone Black)?

  https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel

-- 
Randy Yates
Digital Signal Labs
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

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#13840

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2013-09-24 02:57 -0400
Message-ID<l1rd51$pl2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13832
On 9/23/2013 9:15 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 9/23/2013 12:31 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 01:00:04 -0400, rickman wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/22/2013 8:53 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
>>>> Tim Wescott<tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:
>>>>>> To run the algorithm on a $3 chip means changing to fixed point
>>>>>> rather
>>>>> Which is exactly what I didn't want to screw with for just a few
>>>>> units...
>>>>
>>>> To get back to hardware, I don't know if it's possibly useful but Intel
>>>> has been plugging a board called the Minnowboard as their answer to the
>>>> Raspberry Pi, Beaglebone type of board. It uses a 1 GHz Atom processor
>>>> and uses something like 3.5W of power (IIRC, I may be mistaken). It's
>>>> all FOSS, has GPIO pins etc. like a Raspberry, and has hardware
>>>> floating point including double precision. Plus it has gigabit
>>>> ethernet. Main drawback is it's rather expensive at $200 or so.
>>>>
>>>> www.minnnowboard.org
>>>
>>> I think $200 puts it entirely out of the running for a mainstream
>>> popular product. Heck, I've bought a netbook for $230. I don't think
>>> this is even remotely an "answer" to either of these products. This
>>> price puts it solely in the domain of an eval board or reference design
>>> for corporate users.
>>
>> OTOH, were I still looking, the $200 would put it in the "budget"
>> category for me.
>>
>> Engineering time costs money. If you're only building a few units, its
>> irresponsible to stick your nose up at a $200 board, then go spend $1000/
>> board or more of extra engineering time so you can "cut expense".
>
> Certainly if you want a commercial product $200 is not a problem. But I
> don't know that I would use any of these in a commercial product. The
> rPi is just too loosely supported. Also they haven't been out a year and
> they are on a second version which is incompatible in many respects with
> the first. The BBB seems like a more professional unit, but they
> specifically state it is *not* supported for commercial use. The guy
> providing support said this is because they want to be able to change
> details without worrying about the impact on users. The BBB itself is a
> good example. The software for this board took a major deviation from
> the other BB boards and it does not fully support the various daughter
> boards yet.
>
> As for the Minnowboard, I don't know if it is suitable for commercial
> production or not. From what I have seen so far Intel is throwing this
> out in a similar manner to the rPi, but the $200 price tag doesn't seem
> to indicate that. For that price I would expect real support. We'll see.

Here is a link to a report on the software issues of the BBB (yes, 
that's BeagleBone Black).

http://linuxgizmos.com/introducing-the-new-beaglebone-black-kernel/

-- 

Rick

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#13833

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-23 18:42 -0700
Message-ID<7xa9j3xaff.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13826
Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:
> OTOH, were I still looking, the $200 would put it in the "budget" 
> category for me.

Yeah, I figured there was a good chance $200 was acceptable for
your purpose, though I didn't know for sure.

It sounds like you found something.  Can I ask what you ended up using?

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#13835

FromTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
Date2013-09-23 21:16 -0500
Message-ID<efGdnbUzWbh6aN3PnZ2dnUVZ5gadnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#13833
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:42:12 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:

> Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:
>> OTOH, were I still looking, the $200 would put it in the "budget"
>> category for me.
> 
> Yeah, I figured there was a good chance $200 was acceptable for your
> purpose, though I didn't know for sure.
> 
> It sounds like you found something.  Can I ask what you ended up using?

I've talked the customer into letting me run it on their PC.

It was one of those internal project politics things -- the PC is running 
a nifty graphical display, and the guy in charge of the software for it 
was uncomfortable with taking responsibility for the code written by the 
wild-eyed algorithm consultant.

After we realized the extent of the processing necessary, and after I 
groveled a bit, we found me a space on the main processor.

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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#13837

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-23 20:31 -0700
Message-ID<7xli2mzyib.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13835
Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:
> I've talked the customer into letting me run it on their PC....
> After we realized the extent of the processing necessary, and after I 
> groveled a bit, we found me a space on the main processor.

Hmm, ok, that sounds like the simplest approach, so nice work.  Though
if it's a realtime or critical application, I could see wanting to run
it on a separate machine, that isn't periodically seizing up to download
software updates or spazzing in the grips of some software virus.
Anyway I'm glad something worked out.

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#13854

FromTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
Date2013-09-24 12:01 -0500
Message-ID<JMCdndaBf_L8WNzPnZ2dnUVZ5qudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#13837
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:31:24 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:

> Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> writes:
>> I've talked the customer into letting me run it on their PC.... After
>> we realized the extent of the processing necessary, and after I
>> groveled a bit, we found me a space on the main processor.
> 
> Hmm, ok, that sounds like the simplest approach, so nice work.  Though
> if it's a realtime or critical application, I could see wanting to run
> it on a separate machine, that isn't periodically seizing up to download
> software updates or spazzing in the grips of some software virus. Anyway
> I'm glad something worked out.

It's in a box with no Ethernet for miles, thank goodness.

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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#13720

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2013-09-19 03:14 -0400
Message-ID<l1e88c$6db$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#13708
On 9/18/2013 3:35 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com>  writes:
>> ARM since that would be the low, slow end of ARM devices.  I'm pretty
>> sure you would have a hard time getting hardware floating point on a
>> $3 device much less double precision.
>
> The Cortex M4F on the TI Stellaris Launchpad board has IEEE floating
> point, but unfortunately I think it's only single precision or else I
> would have suggested it for this app.
>
>> BTW, by the time you add all the support circuity and put it on a
>> board, that $3 chip will have a retail cost of $50 or close to it.
>
> That Stellaris board is $12.95 retail but I got two of them on
> pre-release promotion for $5 each.

They are loss leaders to promote the product.  Not safe for product use 
btw.  I have seen that on many low end chip vendor boards.  I have even 
seen that on the low end programming pods for FPGAs, they say "not for 
production use".

-- 

Rick

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#13723

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-19 00:53 -0700
Message-ID<7x7gedfdsd.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13720
rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>> That Stellaris board is $12.95 retail but I got two of them on
>> pre-release promotion for $5 each.
> They are loss leaders to promote the product.  

They seem to have just lowered the price:
https://estore.ti.com/Stellaris-LaunchPad.aspx

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#13731

FromDavid Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
Date2013-09-19 09:58 +0200
Message-ID<Evidncs-rppcM6fPnZ2dnUVZ8rSdnZ2d@lyse.net>
In reply to#13720
On 19/09/13 09:14, rickman wrote:
> On 9/18/2013 3:35 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
>> rickman<gnuarm@gmail.com>  writes:
>>> ARM since that would be the low, slow end of ARM devices.  I'm pretty
>>> sure you would have a hard time getting hardware floating point on a
>>> $3 device much less double precision.
>>
>> The Cortex M4F on the TI Stellaris Launchpad board has IEEE floating
>> point, but unfortunately I think it's only single precision or else I
>> would have suggested it for this app.
>>
>>> BTW, by the time you add all the support circuity and put it on a
>>> board, that $3 chip will have a retail cost of $50 or close to it.
>>
>> That Stellaris board is $12.95 retail but I got two of them on
>> pre-release promotion for $5 each.
> 
> They are loss leaders to promote the product.  Not safe for product use
> btw.  I have seen that on many low end chip vendor boards.  I have even
> seen that on the low end programming pods for FPGAs, they say "not for
> production use".
> 

That will depend on the board in question, and the type of product.
Typically, these cheap boards are not designed and produced to high
quality standards - they will work fine at room temperature in a desktop
environment, but they are not produced with the quality levels needed to
guarantee operation over long term or in tough environments.  However,
if your "product" (or prototype product) is limited to room temperature
and kind environments, and you don't expect any sort of warranty, then
they could be good enough.  They are then marked "not for production
use" /because/ they are loss-leaders.

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#13712

FromTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
Date2013-09-18 16:43 -0500
Message-ID<PM2dnZIEB6jhg6fPnZ2dnUVZ5vQAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#13704
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:01:13 -0400, rickman wrote:

> On 9/18/2013 11:17 AM, David Brown wrote:
>> On 17/09/13 19:22, rickman wrote:
>>> On 9/17/2013 5:42 AM, David Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FPGAs are really good at doing things in parallel, and less good at
>>>> doing things serially.
>>>
>>> I get tired of people making *unsupported* claims.  This is a good
>>> example.  What about an FPGA makes it "less good" at doing serial
>>> operations?  Hmm?  Or maybe I misunderstand what the comparison point
>>> is for the "less good" claim.  Perhaps you mean FPGAs are less good at
>>> serial computations than FPGAs are at parallel computations.  Even
>>> that I can't really see.  FPGAs are agnostic about the method, they do
>>> serial or parallel equally well.
>>>
>>>
>> First off, are we all happy that FPGAs are really good at doing things
>> in parallel?
>>
>> Secondly, are we all happy that processors are really at doing things
>> serially?  They step through a sequence of instructions, doing
>> (usually)
>> one step at a time.
>>
>> The point of contention is how good FPGAs are at doing things serially.
>>
>> When the algorithm is a series of similar steps (such as "do a MAC on
>> this data, then a MAC on that data, etc."), FPGAs are fine - you can
>> write a state machine that handles the steps, along with some logic for
>> end cases.
>>
>> But when you have complicated branching, jumping, subroutines, etc., in
>> your algorithm, then FPGA logic is hard.  It is hard to implement, as
>> you have to re-organise the algorithm into a form that the FPGA
>> languages can handle.
> 
> Ok, a *factual* statement that can be discussed, even if it is
> unsupported.  You make a claim that you have to reorganize the algorithm
> to suit HDLs.  What aspect of HLLs is missing from HDL?  They include
> conditionals, looping, branching, etc.  Why is it hard to implement any
> aspect of an algorithm in an HDL?

OK.  This is too much.  An FPGA expert is implying that if it can be 
implemented in Verilog then it'll just synthesize cleanly and efficiently.

All the _other_ FPGA experts that I know, and my own small experience 
with FPGA's, indicates that if you can express it in HDL then you're 
about as far along as if you can express it in any software HLL.  It is 
absolutely no guarantee that can synthesize it, that it will operate 
trouble-free on an FPGA, that it'll meet timing, etc.

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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