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| Started by | Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> |
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| First post | 2017-05-16 13:49 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-05-21 16:47 -0400 |
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[OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-16 13:49 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Steve Wilson <no@spam.com> - 2017-05-16 19:04 +0000
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-16 12:14 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2017-05-16 14:41 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-16 14:01 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2017-05-16 14:42 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-16 17:09 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-16 16:42 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Clifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 09:00 +1000
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! eric.jacobsen@ieee.org - 2017-05-16 20:17 +0000
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2017-05-16 15:24 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 22:05 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-16 17:11 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 23:51 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-16 18:32 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Clifford Heath <clifford.heath@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 09:41 +1000
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 09:35 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-17 19:03 +1000
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 10:31 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-05-17 23:07 +1000
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 09:41 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 10:10 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 10:34 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 15:59 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:04 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:02 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-16 17:56 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 09:42 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 16:57 +0800
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 10:32 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 18:12 +0800
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-17 03:54 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2017-05-17 21:57 +0800
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-17 09:36 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2017-05-17 18:07 +0300
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-17 10:44 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-17 09:47 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-17 10:18 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2017-05-17 20:25 +0300
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-17 12:01 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2017-05-17 10:25 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:22 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-17 12:36 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:45 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-17 03:42 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! "billbowden" <bperryb@bowdenshobbycircuits.info> - 2017-05-16 15:04 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-16 15:30 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2017-05-16 20:02 -0400
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-16 20:40 -0400
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Randy Yates <randyy@garnerundergroundinc.com> - 2017-05-17 09:12 -0400
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2017-05-17 10:02 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:11 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-17 12:21 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:36 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-17 12:43 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:55 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:57 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2017-05-17 13:28 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-17 20:08 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> - 2017-05-17 21:30 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2017-05-18 00:03 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-05-18 08:18 +0100
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> - 2017-05-18 22:56 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> - 2017-05-19 14:31 +0300
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2017-05-19 10:39 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> - 2017-05-19 23:02 +0300
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-19 13:12 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2017-05-19 15:00 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2017-05-19 16:05 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> - 2017-05-21 01:46 -0700
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> - 2017-05-21 17:31 +0300
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2017-05-21 13:31 -0500
Re: [OT] I got a JOB!!! krw@notreal.com - 2017-05-21 16:47 -0400
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| From | Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> |
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| Date | 2017-05-18 00:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <c7udnfT5fdi0toDEnZ2dnUU7-cmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #26614 |
On Wed, 17 May 2017 21:30:13 -0700, boB K7IQ wrote: > On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott > <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: > >>Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >> >>Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a day >>job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so any >>circuit design or control systems jones will have to be satisfied by >>hobby work or on the side. >> >>In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >> >>Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>proselytizing. > > > Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web > site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! > > I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before > applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter everything > from scratch. > > boB That page is very strange -- you gonna apply for a job? -- www.wescottdesign.com
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| From | Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-05-18 08:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <xVbTA.11037$Rw1.10550@fx44.am4> |
| In reply to | #26614 |
On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: > On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott > <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: > >> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >> >> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a day >> job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so any >> circuit design or control systems jones will have to be satisfied by >> hobby work or on the side. >> >> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >> >> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >> proselytizing. > > > Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web > site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! > > I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before > applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter everything > from scratch. That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I use to make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more difficult for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be less unacceptable.
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| From | boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> |
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| Date | 2017-05-18 22:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <842thchgfubbldpulljchltpcdr2qbp5u6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #26616 |
On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >> >>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>> >>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a day >>> job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so any >>> circuit design or control systems jones will have to be satisfied by >>> hobby work or on the side. >>> >>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>> >>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>> proselytizing. >> >> >> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >> >> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter everything >> from scratch. > >That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies >that I use to make my life easier on a few frequently >visited websites. > >Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life >more difficult for their convenience makes me wonder if >they will have that self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude >to employees. > >If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then >it would be less unacceptable. I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for a job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on commute time. boB
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| From | Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> |
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| Date | 2017-05-19 14:31 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <ofml38$1ra4$1@adenine.netfront.net> |
| In reply to | #26620 |
On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: > On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner > <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>> >>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>> >>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a day >>>> job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so any >>>> circuit design or control systems jones will have to be satisfied by >>>> hobby work or on the side. >>>> >>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>> >>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>> proselytizing. >>> >>> >>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>> >>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter everything >>> from scratch. >> >> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies >> that I use to make my life easier on a few frequently >> visited websites. >> >> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life >> more difficult for their convenience makes me wonder if >> they will have that self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude >> to employees. >> >> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then >> it would be less unacceptable. > > > I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for > a job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a > place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there > in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on > commute time. > > boB > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they have a paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves.
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| From | Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> |
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| Date | 2017-05-19 10:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <dYmdnee0YqgljILEnZ2dnUU7-YudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #26621 |
On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: > On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>> >>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>> >>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>> proselytizing. >>>> >>>> >>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>> >>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>> everything from scratch. >>> >>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I use to >>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>> >>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more difficult >>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>> >>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be less >>> unacceptable. >> >> >> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for a >> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >> commute time. >> >> boB >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> > Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me > because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast > illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they have a > paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a license that the only people running illegally are the ones that hold the law in contempt. Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. -- www.wescottdesign.com
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| From | Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> |
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| Date | 2017-05-19 23:02 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <ofnj2u$1vm6$1@adenine.netfront.net> |
| In reply to | #26622 |
On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: > On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: > >> On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >>> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>>> >>>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>>> proselytizing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >>>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>>> >>>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>>> everything from scratch. >>>> >>>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I use to >>>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>>> >>>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more difficult >>>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>>> >>>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be less >>>> unacceptable. >>> >>> >>> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for a >>> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >>> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >>> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >>> commute time. >>> >>> boB >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> http://www.avg.com >>> >> Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me >> because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast >> illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they have a >> paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. > > Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a > license that the only people running illegally are the ones that hold the > law in contempt. > > Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. > In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. may 20 where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart from that, you have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average monthly salary is 600 euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to memorise (especially the technical part).Also you must get over 85% to pass Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older equipment. Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal with snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be free to use by anyone.Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings blocked in order not to cause harmful interference.Or well educate people and enforce severe penalties in cases of non-compliance. But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the damn callsigns if their arses call for that.
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-05-19 13:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ofnjch$9ca$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #26627 |
On 5/19/2017 1:02 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: > On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >> Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. >> > In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. may 20 > where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart from that, you > have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average monthly salary is 600 > euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to memorise (especially the > technical part). You don't *memorize* the answers; you *know* them. And/or can *deduce* the correct answers from the information given. Surely, you haven't MEMORIZED the product of 122287 * 387234, have you? Yet, if you encountered that on an exam, I would assume you'd be able to suss out the correct answer! As to fees, I think the exam here (USA) is typically free (or close to it) as it is typically administered by local clubs. I'm not sure what the license *fee* is after having passed the appropriate exam (to determine your operating license class) > Also you must get over 85% to pass D'uh... Did you expect a passing grade to be "D-"? It's a technical field, not like driving cars! > Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older equipment. > Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal with > snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be free to use > by anyone. Sure! And if I want to set up a kilowatt linear next door to you and swamp the front-end of your rig, it should be my perogative to do so! :> If that interferes with commercial traffic, its *their* problem! > Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings blocked in order not to > cause harmful interference.Or well educate people and enforce severe penalties > in cases of non-compliance. You mean, like LICENSE folks who have demonstrated an appropriate knowledge of the technical issues and reegulations? Gee, what a novel idea! > But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the damn > callsigns if their arses call for that. One minute, you're complaining how HARD it is to pass the exam; then you're claiming its so EASY that it should be simply a matter of having enough money to BUY the license (yet you complained about the *price*, earlier).
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| From | dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) |
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| Date | 2017-05-19 15:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <kg64vd-d0v.ln1@coop.radagast.org> |
| In reply to | #26628 |
In article <ofnjch$9ca$1@dont-email.me>, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote: >As to fees, I think the exam here (USA) is typically free (or close to it) >as it is typically administered by local clubs. The Volunteer Examiners are permitted (but not required) to charge a test fee to reimburse the VEs for their costs in carrying out the exam (mileage to drive to the test site, room rental if necessary, and so forth). The FCC doesn't set the fee... the VE group does. The ARRL's VE coordinating group charge $15 "for one attempt at all three license elements" - if you pass the test for Technician you take the General test the same day at no extra charge, and if you pass General you can test for Amateur Extra. Other VE groups seem to have similar prices and "take all three for the same fee" policies. Nothing forbids a VE from offering tests for free. I believe that they do, sometimes... e.g. in schools. > I'm not sure what the >license *fee* is after having passed the appropriate exam (to determine >your operating license class) For most hams, $0.00. The 10-year license is free, as are renewals. You do pay a fee if you apply for, and are granted a "vanity" call of your choice, and you pay the vanity fee again each time you renew. >You don't *memorize* the answers; you *know* them. And/or can *deduce* >the correct answers from the information given. For some of the questions (e.g. frequency ranges, mode authorizations by frequency or amateur-radio license class), memorization of the information is the only way you can go, because the rules are historical and rather arbitrary. For the electronics part, true knowledge and logic are the way to go. A fair number of hams do get their first Technician license following a "ham cram" - they spend a full day going over the current question pool, drilling on and memorizing the answers, and then take the test and try to score the required 85%. I do not personally recommend this approach. A lot of people who pass the test this way, never seem to actually get "on the air", since they don't really understand what's going on... I think this leads to a serious lack of confidence. I think it's better to take a couple of weeks, read through a study guide (such as the ARRL's Ham Radio License Manual, replacement for the old "Now You're Talking" book), and learn more of the "why" about each of the questions in the pool (which are included at the back of the book). Seems to me that about half of the questions in the Tech pool are, fundamentally, about "Here's how you can use your radio without being a nuisance, causing problems, and getting yourself in trouble." That's pretty important in amateur radio, since (almost by definition) _you_ as the ham, rather than the equipment manufacturer, have the primary responsibility for seeing that it's operating correctly and is being used legally.
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-05-19 16:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ofntft$bhv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #26629 |
On 5/19/2017 3:00 PM, Dave Platt wrote: > In article <ofnjch$9ca$1@dont-email.me>, > Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote: > >> As to fees, I think the exam here (USA) is typically free (or close to it) >> as it is typically administered by local clubs. > > The Volunteer Examiners are permitted (but not required) to charge a > test fee to reimburse the VEs for their costs in carrying out the exam > (mileage to drive to the test site, room rental if necessary, and so > forth). > > The FCC doesn't set the fee... the VE group does. The ARRL's VE > coordinating group charge $15 "for one attempt at all three license > elements" - if you pass the test for Technician you take the General > test the same day at no extra charge, and if you pass General you can > test for Amateur Extra. Other VE groups seem to have similar prices > and "take all three for the same fee" policies. > > Nothing forbids a VE from offering tests for free. I believe that > they do, sometimes... e.g. in schools. There are at least three different groups offering regular (as in "frequent") testing here -- i.e., at least three different times (and places), each month, to take the test. Some charge a nominal fee; others are free. Some require pre-registration; others will accept walk-ins. I'd considered it (see below) when the Code requirement was dropped... >> I'm not sure what the >> license *fee* is after having passed the appropriate exam (to determine >> your operating license class) > > For most hams, $0.00. The 10-year license is free, as are renewals. > > You do pay a fee if you apply for, and are granted a "vanity" call of > your choice, and you pay the vanity fee again each time you renew. > >> You don't *memorize* the answers; you *know* them. And/or can *deduce* >> the correct answers from the information given. > > For some of the questions (e.g. frequency ranges, mode authorizations > by frequency or amateur-radio license class), memorization of the > information is the only way you can go, because the rules are > historical and rather arbitrary. For the electronics part, true > knowledge and logic are the way to go. > > A fair number of hams do get their first Technician license following > a "ham cram" - they spend a full day going over the current question > pool, drilling on and memorizing the answers, and then take the test > and try to score the required 85%. > > I do not personally recommend this approach. A lot of people who pass > the test this way, never seem to actually get "on the air", since they > don't really understand what's going on... I think this leads to a > serious lack of confidence. I inherited a 2m rig for my BoB and thought of getting licensed. But, as I have *zero* interest in "casual use" -- or in any "club activities" (wanting the license only to be "legal" in the event of a natural disaster) -- I figured it was a skillset that would see little/no use. Instead, rely on the rig as an information *source* (if ever needed) and ignore the overhead of being able to key the transmitter! > I think it's better to take a couple of weeks, read through a study > guide (such as the ARRL's Ham Radio License Manual, replacement for > the old "Now You're Talking" book), and learn more of the "why" about > each of the questions in the pool (which are included at the back of > the book). > > Seems to me that about half of the questions in the Tech pool are, > fundamentally, about "Here's how you can use your radio without > being a nuisance, causing problems, and getting yourself in trouble." > That's pretty important in amateur radio, since (almost by definition) > _you_ as the ham, rather than the equipment manufacturer, have the > primary responsibility for seeing that it's operating correctly and is > being used legally. Yes, but much of that is also pretty intuitive -- if you *think* about it.
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| From | boB K7IQ <boB@everett.wa> |
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| Date | 2017-05-21 01:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <crk2icp7tl6k3u2l66cqqtoaalthr2gq2n@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #26627 |
On Fri, 19 May 2017 23:02:26 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote: >On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >> On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: >> >>> On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>>>> proselytizing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >>>>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>>>> everything from scratch. >>>>> >>>>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I use to >>>>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>>>> >>>>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more difficult >>>>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>>>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>>>> >>>>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be less >>>>> unacceptable. >>>> >>>> >>>> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for a >>>> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >>>> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >>>> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >>>> commute time. >>>> >>>> boB >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>> http://www.avg.com >>>> >>> Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me >>> because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast >>> illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they have a >>> paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. >> >> Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a >> license that the only people running illegally are the ones that hold the >> law in contempt. >> >> Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. >> >In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. >may 20 where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart >from that, you have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average >monthly salary is 600 euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to >memorise (especially the technical part).Also you must get over 85% to pass >Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older equipment. >Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal >with snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be >free to use by anyone.Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings >blocked in order not to cause harmful interference.Or well educate >people and enforce severe penalties in cases of non-compliance. >But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the >damn callsigns if their arses call for that. It is almost too easy to get a license in the USA. You get to see all of the questions and answers first and only have to get 72% correct on the multiple choice test here. boB
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| From | Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> |
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| Date | 2017-05-21 17:31 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <ofs8bh$2f1k$1@adenine.netfront.net> |
| In reply to | #26633 |
On 5/21/2017 11:46 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: > On Fri, 19 May 2017 23:02:26 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos > <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote: > >> On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>>>>> proselytizing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >>>>>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>>>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>>>>> everything from scratch. >>>>>> >>>>>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I use to >>>>>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>>>>> >>>>>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more difficult >>>>>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>>>>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>>>>> >>>>>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be less >>>>>> unacceptable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for a >>>>> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >>>>> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >>>>> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >>>>> commute time. >>>>> >>>>> boB >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>> http://www.avg.com >>>>> >>>> Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me >>>> because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast >>>> illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they have a >>>> paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. >>> >>> Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a >>> license that the only people running illegally are the ones that hold the >>> law in contempt. >>> >>> Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. >>> >> In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. >> may 20 where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart >>from that, you have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average >> monthly salary is 600 euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to >> memorise (especially the technical part).Also you must get over 85% to pass >> Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older equipment. >> Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal >> with snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be >> free to use by anyone.Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings >> blocked in order not to cause harmful interference.Or well educate >> people and enforce severe penalties in cases of non-compliance. >> But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the >> damn callsigns if their arses call for that. > > > It is almost too easy to get a license in the USA. > > You get to see all of the questions and answers first and only have to > get 72% correct on the multiple choice test here. > > boB > Yes, but Greece is NOT USA.Greece is a chaotic shithole.
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| From | John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2017-05-21 13:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ofsm6q$c94$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #26634 |
On 5/21/2017 9:31 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: > On 5/21/2017 11:46 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >> On Fri, 19 May 2017 23:02:26 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos >> <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote: >> >>> On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>>>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>>>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>>>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>>>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>>>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>>>>>> proselytizing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at >>>>>>>> their web >>>>>>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>>>>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>>>>>> everything from scratch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I >>>>>>> use to >>>>>>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more >>>>>>> difficult >>>>>>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>>>>>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be >>>>>>> less >>>>>>> unacceptable. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying >>>>>> for a >>>>>> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >>>>>> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >>>>>> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >>>>>> commute time. >>>>>> >>>>>> boB >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>> http://www.avg.com >>>>>> >>>>> Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me >>>>> because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast >>>>> illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they >>>>> have a >>>>> paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. >>>> >>>> Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a >>>> license that the only people running illegally are the ones that >>>> hold the >>>> law in contempt. >>>> >>>> Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. >>>> >>> In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. >>> may 20 where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart >>> from that, you have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average >>> monthly salary is 600 euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to >>> memorise (especially the technical part).Also you must get over 85% >>> to pass >>> Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older >>> equipment. >>> Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal >>> with snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be >>> free to use by anyone.Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings >>> blocked in order not to cause harmful interference.Or well educate >>> people and enforce severe penalties in cases of non-compliance. >>> But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the >>> damn callsigns if their arses call for that. >> >> >> It is almost too easy to get a license in the USA. >> >> You get to see all of the questions and answers first and only have to >> get 72% correct on the multiple choice test here. >> >> boB >> > Yes, but Greece is NOT USA.Greece is a chaotic shithole. If you like living in a chaotic shithole then quit complaining. Otherwise immigrate.
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| From | krw@notreal.com |
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| Date | 2017-05-21 16:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <06v3ic90nkea733lsache73ijbfhj2jcli@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #26634 |
On Sun, 21 May 2017 17:31:12 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote: >On 5/21/2017 11:46 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >> On Fri, 19 May 2017 23:02:26 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos >> <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote: >> >>> On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>>>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>>>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>>>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>>>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>>>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>>>>>> proselytizing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >>>>>>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>>>>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>>>>>> everything from scratch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I use to >>>>>>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more difficult >>>>>>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>>>>>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be less >>>>>>> unacceptable. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for a >>>>>> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >>>>>> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >>>>>> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >>>>>> commute time. >>>>>> >>>>>> boB >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>> http://www.avg.com >>>>>> >>>>> Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me >>>>> because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast >>>>> illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they have a >>>>> paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. >>>> >>>> Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a >>>> license that the only people running illegally are the ones that hold the >>>> law in contempt. >>>> >>>> Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. >>>> >>> In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. >>> may 20 where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart >>>from that, you have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average >>> monthly salary is 600 euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to >>> memorise (especially the technical part).Also you must get over 85% to pass >>> Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older equipment. >>> Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal >>> with snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be >>> free to use by anyone.Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings >>> blocked in order not to cause harmful interference.Or well educate >>> people and enforce severe penalties in cases of non-compliance. >>> But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the >>> damn callsigns if their arses call for that. >> >> >> It is almost too easy to get a license in the USA. >> >> You get to see all of the questions and answers first and only have to >> get 72% correct on the multiple choice test here. >> >> boB >> >Yes, but Greece is NOT USA.Greece is a chaotic shithole. That's what our Democrats aspire to.
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