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Small, fast, resource-rich processor

Started byTim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really>
First post2013-09-11 11:11 -0500
Last post2013-09-11 22:19 -0400
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  Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-11 11:11 -0500
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Rich Webb <webb.ra@example.net> - 2013-09-11 12:45 -0400
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2013-09-11 16:59 +0000
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 10:08 -0700
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-11 12:27 -0500
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 11:23 -0700
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 11:32 -0700
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-11 11:30 -0700
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-11 18:26 +0000
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-11 13:37 -0500
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-11 21:51 +0200
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 16:46 -0400
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-12 14:00 +0200
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.stop.fi.invalid - 2013-09-14 10:24 +0000
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 02:38 -0400
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 01:52 -0700
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 12:33 -0400
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-15 13:02 -0500
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 14:33 -0400
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 12:09 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-15 22:12 +0200
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:32 -0400
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-16 09:17 +0200
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-16 10:21 +0100
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 13:53 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:31 +0000
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 04:46 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-17 10:46 -0700
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-17 22:30 -0400
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-17 22:43 -0700
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-18 14:35 +0000
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-18 18:41 +0300
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 09:12 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 07:57 +0000
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 22:22 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-20 05:44 +0000
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-20 00:05 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-20 14:18 +0000
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-20 16:24 +0300
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 08:31 +0100
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-20 12:43 -0500
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 20:29 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-20 21:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-20 15:27 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 23:52 +0100
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-20 18:52 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-20 19:38 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-24 01:20 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-24 01:22 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-24 03:33 -0500
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-24 21:17 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 10:56 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-22 20:08 +0100
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 12:21 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 00:12 +0100
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 16:50 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 09:12 +0100
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-23 06:49 -0700
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-23 16:31 -0700
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-24 01:13 -0700
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-24 02:15 -0700
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-24 15:56 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-23 00:46 -0500
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-22 23:18 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Arlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl> - 2013-09-23 09:00 +0200
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-23 00:18 -0700
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Arlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl> - 2013-09-23 09:27 +0200
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-23 06:56 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-23 10:50 -0500
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 13:04 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-20 15:41 +0300
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-20 14:33 +0000
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-09-20 15:55 +0300
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-20 08:42 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-23 09:06 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 12:07 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-29 22:15 +0200
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 00:33 -0700
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-01 10:25 +0200
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 10:26 -0700
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-03 19:07 +0000
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Scott Hemphill <hemphill@hemphills.net> - 2013-10-03 19:17 -0400
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Scott Hemphill <hemphill@hemphills.net> - 2013-10-03 21:00 -0400
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-18 11:29 -0500
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-18 10:20 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 21:53 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 09:48 +0200
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 09:38 +0100
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 11:24 +0200
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 10:53 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 13:12 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 15:31 +0100
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 15:44 +0100
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 22:53 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 08:37 +0100
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 17:48 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 00:37 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 09:14 +0100
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-22 21:31 +0200
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 00:19 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-23 09:23 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-23 09:00 +0100
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-23 11:31 +0200
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 13:02 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-28 22:54 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-28 22:33 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-28 22:29 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-29 10:01 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-29 23:02 +0200
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 10:36 -0400
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-30 14:09 -0400
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:27 -0400
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-01 05:46 +0000
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-01 09:19 +0200
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 03:28 -0400
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-01 10:13 +0200
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 12:39 -0400
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-01 16:56 +0000
                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-01 18:59 +0000
                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 17:25 -0400
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 18:37 -0400
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 19:29 -0400
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 19:31 -0400
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-10-01 16:36 -0700
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 20:51 -0400
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-01 21:08 -0400
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-02 09:08 +0200
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2013-10-02 09:36 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-02 17:16 -0500
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) upsidedown@downunder.com - 2013-10-03 10:15 +0300
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-03 02:32 -0500
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-10-03 15:45 +0000
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 09:06 -0700
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 17:18 +0100
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-10-03 16:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 10:11 -0700
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:52 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-03 09:35 +0200
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-03 03:26 -0500
                                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-03 13:27 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-03 12:55 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-10-04 16:59 +0200
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-02 01:02 +0000
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) "Boudewijn Dijkstra" <sp4mtr4p.boudewijn@indes.com> - 2013-10-03 16:28 +0200
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-03 08:03 -0700
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-03 19:15 +0000
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-03 15:50 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-10-03 15:27 -0500
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-03 16:37 -0400
                                                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-03 21:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-04 00:02 -0500
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-10-02 00:12 -0500
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor (die evil thread, die!!!) robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-10-03 10:24 -0700
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-10-02 00:13 -0500
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-02 06:51 +0000
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:55 -0400
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:58 -0400
                                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 03:12 -0400
                                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 09:49 -0400
                                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 12:04 -0400
                                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 12:51 -0400
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-10-02 15:18 -0400
                                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:46 -0400
                                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-10-01 23:09 +0000
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:53 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 01:45 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 04:34 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 02:17 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-19 16:49 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 17:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-19 13:08 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 20:22 +0000
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-19 14:42 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-20 00:34 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 22:15 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-20 08:43 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-19 22:16 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-19 12:28 -0500
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-19 15:08 -0400
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 12:52 -0400
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-18 10:23 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 08:03 +0000
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-19 12:53 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 21:31 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 04:18 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 02:02 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 16:47 +0000
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor j.m.granville@gmail.com - 2013-09-24 19:54 -0700
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-25 19:12 +0100
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-25 11:50 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 01:26 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 09:11 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-26 02:12 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 13:46 +0100
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-26 09:55 -0700
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 18:44 +0100
                                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-26 12:31 -0700
                                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-26 23:09 +0100
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 08:45 -0400
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 07:44 +0000
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:58 -0400
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 09:45 +0100
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 16:50 +0000
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 07:31 +0000
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:30 -0500
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-17 21:11 +0000
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 13:11 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-17 11:42 +0200
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Al Clark <aclark@danvillesignal.com> - 2013-09-17 14:06 +0000
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-17 16:44 +0200
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:43 -0500
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 13:22 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-18 17:17 +0200
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 16:46 +0100
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 09:16 -0700
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 14:13 -0400
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 20:00 +0100
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-09-18 19:56 -0500
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-19 09:56 +0100
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 14:01 -0400
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 12:35 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-18 23:28 +0200
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-18 16:39 -0500
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 17:26 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-18 17:56 -0700
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-22 17:53 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-23 01:00 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-23 00:15 -0700
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-23 11:31 -0500
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-23 21:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-23 22:41 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-24 02:57 -0400
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-23 18:42 -0700
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-23 21:16 -0500
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-23 20:31 -0700
                                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-24 12:01 -0500
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:14 -0400
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 00:53 -0700
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 09:58 +0200
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-18 16:43 -0500
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:21 -0400
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-19 00:54 -0700
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 08:25 +0000
                                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 09:03 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 06:47 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 09:46 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 10:06 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-26 13:45 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-26 23:54 -0700
                                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 08:31 -0400
                                                      Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-29 23:37 +0000
                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 01:16 +0100
                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-29 22:31 -0700
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 10:06 +0100
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:12 -0400
                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-30 09:24 -0700
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:33 -0400
                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-30 22:48 -0700
                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 03:04 -0400
                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-01 00:27 -0700
                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 03:32 -0400
                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-30 11:37 +0000
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 13:40 +0100
                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:43 -0400
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-30 17:07 +0100
                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:38 -0400
                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-30 18:57 +0000
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-30 12:36 -0700
                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor jhallen@TheWorld.com (Joseph H Allen) - 2013-09-30 20:15 +0000
                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-09-30 20:38 +0000
                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 02:55 -0400
                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-01 11:50 +0000
                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 12:53 -0400
                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-01 17:34 +0000
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 17:31 -0400
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-02 12:15 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 12:19 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-03 11:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 01:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:19 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 23:07 -0700
                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-01 20:06 -0700
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-01 22:38 -0700
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 03:09 -0400
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 00:51 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 03:58 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 01:27 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 04:24 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-02 01:54 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:51 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 00:17 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:27 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 23:09 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:30 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-06 10:53 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-09 05:12 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-09 02:24 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2013-10-09 12:05 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-09 08:06 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-04 10:01 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:38 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-04 15:25 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 10:35 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:43 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:29 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-04 01:04 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:40 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 10:21 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-02 19:54 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 00:21 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:55 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-03 04:45 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 13:02 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-03 07:19 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 00:02 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-04 00:55 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-04 09:45 -0400
                                                                              Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 10:06 +0100
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-02 02:24 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 10:57 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-02 04:31 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-02 15:45 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-10-02 08:29 -0700
                                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-03 00:47 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 09:59 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-10-03 10:09 +0100
                                                                Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 01:51 -0400
                                                        Re: Open source FPGA toolchain ?, was: Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 10:44 -0400
                                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-27 01:10 -0700
                                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-29 08:36 -0400
                                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-29 22:06 -0700
                                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 11:47 -0400
                                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-30 09:14 -0700
                                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-19 01:27 +0200
                                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-19 03:49 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:40 -0400
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 14:53 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:22 -0400
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 15:12 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 14:58 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-15 18:19 -0500
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:48 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-16 17:17 -0500
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 18:41 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:22 -0500
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 15:40 -0400
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingo@home.no> - 2013-09-17 18:44 +0200
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:31 -0400
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:44 +0000
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:46 -0500
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 09:21 +0000
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-19 12:26 -0500
                                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 20:17 +0000
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 08:25 -0700
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 14:16 -0400
                              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-18 12:39 -0700
                                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor langwadt@fonz.dk - 2013-09-18 15:18 -0700
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 09:49 +0000
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:35 +0000
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 13:11 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:26 -0400
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 16:36 -0400
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:49 +0000
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 05:30 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-19 10:00 +0000
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-16 16:51 +0000
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:54 -0400
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-16 19:06 +0000
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 15:22 -0400
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@technologyhighland.invalid> - 2013-09-17 09:40 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-17 11:48 -0500
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 15:50 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-17 21:03 +0000
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-17 17:05 -0400
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor gtwrek@sonic.net (Mark Curry) - 2013-09-17 21:16 +0000
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-17 16:38 -0700
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-17 21:33 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2013-09-18 10:48 +0300
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-15 10:39 -0500
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 12:39 -0400
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-15 12:58 -0500
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-15 11:33 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 14:40 -0400
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-15 14:25 -0500
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-09-15 13:35 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 12:40 -0700
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-15 14:57 -0500
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-15 13:44 -0700
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 01:46 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-16 10:26 +0100
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 02:44 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2013-09-16 09:01 -0400
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 12:18 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-16 10:06 -0500
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> - 2013-09-16 10:34 -0700
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 12:09 -0700
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-16 17:31 -0500
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-16 12:00 -0700
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-09-17 07:59 +0000
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-17 10:13 +0100
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 05:56 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-17 11:37 +0100
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 16:00 -0400
                        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-17 21:30 +0100
                          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 12:46 -0400
                            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-18 18:00 +0100
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-11 12:10 -0700
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam@nowhere.com> - 2013-09-11 14:30 -0500
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 15:39 -0400
        Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 15:46 -0400
          Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 20:39 -0400
            Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-11 20:03 -0500
              Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-12 14:09 +0200
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-12 07:11 -0700
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-12 16:34 +0200
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-12 10:42 -0400
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2013-09-12 12:48 -0700
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-12 16:14 -0500
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2013-09-12 21:39 +0200
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-12 23:41 +0200
                Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-12 16:08 -0500
                  Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-13 01:00 +0200
                    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2013-09-12 23:03 -0500
                      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2013-09-13 08:47 +0200
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2013-09-11 15:40 -0700
    Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.please> - 2013-09-11 20:05 -0500
      Re: Small, fast, resource-rich processor Randy Yates <yates@digitalsignallabs.com> - 2013-09-11 22:19 -0400

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#13850

Fromdp <dp@tgi-sci.com>
Date2013-09-24 02:15 -0700
Message-ID<9c0f41cf-3c0a-42e2-b458-47ca9e8690e7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#13845
On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:13:48 AM UTC+3, Don Y wrote:
> ...
> 
> I would have thought you had finished that and were working on the
> Model 4 by now!!  ;-)

Uhm, so would have I but I am not short of distractions so it took
longer. It has been stable for quite a while now but I am not quite done
with all the commands which use the longnamed directories. Many
of them just work but there are surprises and I have to dig. E.g.
now I am fixing the "md" command, its buffer for the text to go
into the . and .. files is too short. 

> (Have you thought about this "portability" issue regarding your
> naming implementation?)

I think I got it right (though only time will tell). I made the
names stored upper case only, with the case info (bit per byte)
separately after that. Then since the names can be up to 254 bytes
long but can also be just 1 byte, I made the entry length variable.

If a call searches for a file it will compare 32-bit wise only
upper case text (so the search is case independent); if I want
to implement case dependent search all I have to do is let the compare
go on for another subsequent longwords (which contain the case data).

Now I have that "default" file name to pass to the highest level
"open" call (called fetch$, now I have a newer one fetchx$).
If the name (passed as text) is null, the default name is taken;
if the name has no suffix, the suffix from the default name is
taken; and if the name text carries only a suffix (suffix being what is
past the last "." character in the name) the default name but
not suffix is taken. I made a call which now will insert any
part of a name - text AND case info - into any other name,
opening space for both the text and the case info... This took me
a while (with all the distractions, normally it would have
been much much faster). But hey, I have it working and usable...
well, almost usable. I mean I can copy, delete etc. files but
by no means all applications are happy with the longnamed thing yet...
Uh, how come the moaning paragraph got by far the longest :-)

Dimiter

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#13862

FromDon Y <this@isnotme.com>
Date2013-09-24 15:56 -0700
Message-ID<l1t5b0$3l4$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#13850
Hi Dimiter,

On 9/24/2013 2:15 AM, dp wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:13:48 AM UTC+3, Don Y wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> I would have thought you had finished that and were working on the
>> Model 4 by now!!  ;-)
>
> Uhm, so would have I but I am not short of distractions so it took
> longer. It has been stable for quite a while now but I am not quite done
> with all the commands which use the longnamed directories. Many
> of them just work but there are surprises and I have to dig. E.g.
> now I am fixing the "md" command, its buffer for the text to go
> into the . and .. files is too short.

Stop goofing off and get back to work!  I know you're enjoying the
few remaining days above FREEZING, but...  :>

[Check your mail -- "didi" -- I took this offlist]

--don

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#13810

FromRobert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com>
Date2013-09-23 00:46 -0500
Message-ID<8alv391u9gqree3ul4sh02hu4dm5o0c52m@4ax.com>
In reply to#13802
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:21:47 -0700, Don Y <this@isnotme.com> wrote:

>Hi Tom,
>
>On 9/22/2013 12:08 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 22/09/13 18:56, Don Y wrote:
>
>>> I wouldn't describe it as "lightly and amusingly written" by a
>>> long shot!  But, if you've ever written a floating point library
>>> and.or floating point algorithms that had to work in ALL cases,
>>> it is an excellent discussion of many of the "why's" and the
>>> "issues to be wary of".
>>>
>>> Well worth the time to read, IMnsHO.  And, *reread* if you
>>> actually need to *understand* these issues!
>>
>> Yes, that is useful. I'm sure I came across the first half
>> many years ago, but it might be buried in my paper library.
>
>I've scanned most of my paper documents out of necessity.
>Just take up too damned much *space*!  Unfortunately, they
>aren't searchable in that state -- but, they weren't searchable
>as paper, either!  :>


While not perfect, you should be able to OCR the scanned documents,
and convert them to PDFs.  These days many scanners will do that by
default.

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#13811

FromDon Y <this@isnotme.com>
Date2013-09-22 23:18 -0700
Message-ID<l1omgi$muu$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#13810
Hi Robert,

On 9/22/2013 10:46 PM, Robert Wessel wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:21:47 -0700, Don Y <this@isnotme.com> wrote:

>> I've scanned most of my paper documents out of necessity.
>> Just take up too damned much *space*!  Unfortunately, they
>> aren't searchable in that state -- but, they weren't searchable
>> as paper, either!  :>
>
> While not perfect, you should be able to OCR the scanned documents,
> and convert them to PDFs.  These days many scanners will do that by
> default.

I've been *really* disappointed with the results!  You have to
double-check everything to ensure nothing has been "dropped".

I've seen programs that would *skip* large blocks of text.  Or,
get confused over images with callouts, complex formats, etc.

So, I've opted to just preserve an *image* of the page in the
hope that, someday, tools get smarter (or, I find myself with
gobs and gobs of time to proofread tens of thousands of scanned
pages  :-/ )

Disk space is cheap -- $0.10/GB?  It's not worth the downside
risk.

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#13813

FromArlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl>
Date2013-09-23 09:00 +0200
Message-ID<523fe6fb$0$15943$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#13811
On 09/23/2013 08:18 AM, Don Y wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> On 9/22/2013 10:46 PM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:21:47 -0700, Don Y <this@isnotme.com> wrote:
>
>>> I've scanned most of my paper documents out of necessity.
>>> Just take up too damned much *space*!  Unfortunately, they
>>> aren't searchable in that state -- but, they weren't searchable
>>> as paper, either!  :>
>>
>> While not perfect, you should be able to OCR the scanned documents,
>> and convert them to PDFs.  These days many scanners will do that by
>> default.
>
> I've been *really* disappointed with the results!  You have to
> double-check everything to ensure nothing has been "dropped".
>
> I've seen programs that would *skip* large blocks of text.  Or,
> get confused over images with callouts, complex formats, etc.
>
> So, I've opted to just preserve an *image* of the page in the
> hope that, someday, tools get smarter (or, I find myself with
> gobs and gobs of time to proofread tens of thousands of scanned
> pages  :-/ )

You could keep the original, but also make an OCR version that you could 
search.

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#13815

FromDon Y <this@isnotme.com>
Date2013-09-23 00:18 -0700
Message-ID<l1oq0b$vrf$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#13813
Hi Arlet,

On 9/23/2013 12:00 AM, Arlet Ottens wrote:
> On 09/23/2013 08:18 AM, Don Y wrote:

>> I've been *really* disappointed with the results!  You have to
>> double-check everything to ensure nothing has been "dropped".
>>
>> I've seen programs that would *skip* large blocks of text.  Or,
>> get confused over images with callouts, complex formats, etc.
>>
>> So, I've opted to just preserve an *image* of the page in the
>> hope that, someday, tools get smarter (or, I find myself with
>> gobs and gobs of time to proofread tens of thousands of scanned
>> pages  :-/ )
>
> You could keep the original, but also make an OCR version that you could
> search.

Keeping the original *paper* copy is out of the question.
I had just *way* too much paper!

I could keep *images* of each page and, separately, OCR'd versions.
But, I'm still forced to "proof" all those OCR'd pages -- otherwise,
what's the advantage of having them (if you have no idea how
good the versions are).

Easier to hold onto the scanned images (which only require the
scanner software to know how to detect black/white/grey/color/etc.)
and, later, run those through a piece of software that lets you
view raw image and OCR'd image side by side).

[Some scanners preserve the TIFF *and* "text" in the same file
but it doesn't eliminate the need to proof it all]

Moral of story:  get electronic versions of as many documents
as possible!

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#13817

FromArlet Ottens <usenet+5@c-scape.nl>
Date2013-09-23 09:27 +0200
Message-ID<523fed7b$0$15978$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#13815
On 09/23/2013 09:18 AM, Don Y wrote:
> Hi Arlet,
>
> On 9/23/2013 12:00 AM, Arlet Ottens wrote:
>> On 09/23/2013 08:18 AM, Don Y wrote:
>
>>> I've been *really* disappointed with the results!  You have to
>>> double-check everything to ensure nothing has been "dropped".
>>>
>>> I've seen programs that would *skip* large blocks of text.  Or,
>>> get confused over images with callouts, complex formats, etc.
>>>
>>> So, I've opted to just preserve an *image* of the page in the
>>> hope that, someday, tools get smarter (or, I find myself with
>>> gobs and gobs of time to proofread tens of thousands of scanned
>>> pages  :-/ )
>>
>> You could keep the original, but also make an OCR version that you could
>> search.
>
> Keeping the original *paper* copy is out of the question.
> I had just *way* too much paper!
>
> I could keep *images* of each page and, separately, OCR'd versions.
> But, I'm still forced to "proof" all those OCR'd pages -- otherwise,
> what's the advantage of having them (if you have no idea how
> good the versions are).

That's what I meant. Keep the original scanned images, and a separate 
OCR version.

You don't have to proofread the OCR. 9 out of 10 hits with a search is 
better than nothing at all.

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#13823

FromDon Y <this@isnotme.com>
Date2013-09-23 06:56 -0700
Message-ID<l1ph9l$39f$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#13817
Hi Arlet,

On 9/23/2013 12:27 AM, Arlet Ottens wrote:
> On 09/23/2013 09:18 AM, Don Y wrote:

>>> You could keep the original, but also make an OCR version that you could
>>> search.
>>
>> Keeping the original *paper* copy is out of the question.
>> I had just *way* too much paper!
>>
>> I could keep *images* of each page and, separately, OCR'd versions.
>> But, I'm still forced to "proof" all those OCR'd pages -- otherwise,
>> what's the advantage of having them (if you have no idea how
>> good the versions are).
>
> That's what I meant. Keep the original scanned images, and a separate
> OCR version.

At least one of the tools here gives me that capability (I can't
recall which -- "searchable TIFF's")

> You don't have to proofread the OCR. 9 out of 10 hits with a search is
> better than nothing at all.

It gives you a false sense of security.

Ages ago, I "scanned" all my bank statements, credit card statements,
etc. -- excellent way to get rid of "useless" paper!  :>

Come tax time, I figured I could "cheat" and just pull the "data"
from those scanned copies (instead of transcribing detail records
by hand).  That was my first "disappointment" with COTS OCR.  "Why
can't I find a record of this check being deposited?"  The
"save the image, only" strategy grew out of that experience.  It
satisfies my primary goal:  getting rid of paper.  It just doesn't
give me much *more* than that!

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#13824

FromRobert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com>
Date2013-09-23 10:50 -0500
Message-ID<mtn049t1q52360send0a529ggr17df17lm@4ax.com>
In reply to#13811
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:18:53 -0700, Don Y <this@isnotme.com> wrote:

>Hi Robert,
>
>On 9/22/2013 10:46 PM, Robert Wessel wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:21:47 -0700, Don Y <this@isnotme.com> wrote:
>
>>> I've scanned most of my paper documents out of necessity.
>>> Just take up too damned much *space*!  Unfortunately, they
>>> aren't searchable in that state -- but, they weren't searchable
>>> as paper, either!  :>
>>
>> While not perfect, you should be able to OCR the scanned documents,
>> and convert them to PDFs.  These days many scanners will do that by
>> default.
>
>I've been *really* disappointed with the results!  You have to
>double-check everything to ensure nothing has been "dropped".
>
>I've seen programs that would *skip* large blocks of text.  Or,
>get confused over images with callouts, complex formats, etc.
>
>So, I've opted to just preserve an *image* of the page in the
>hope that, someday, tools get smarter (or, I find myself with
>gobs and gobs of time to proofread tens of thousands of scanned
>pages  :-/ )
>
>Disk space is cheap -- $0.10/GB?  It's not worth the downside
>risk.


If you do it right, the OCR'd text is just stored as a transparent
layer over the image layer in the PDF, so you have both in the same
file.  And you can always touch up the OCR layer with your favorite
PDF tools (and still leave the image layer alone).  While not perfect,
you can search much of the document - which is better than none at
all.

FWIW, many of the manuals on bitsavers are stored that way.

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#13948

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-28 13:04 -0700
Message-ID<7xd2nsvhl3.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13774
Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> http://people.ds.cam.ac.uk/nmm1/Arithmetic/Notes/notes.pdf
> http://people.ds.cam.ac.uk/nmm1/Arithmetic/index.html

I hadn't seen those before.  They are nice, thanks.

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#13777

Fromupsidedown@downunder.com
Date2013-09-20 15:41 +0300
Message-ID<e8go39hj1ac6is5115qecc8n7jq1fcppq8@4ax.com>
In reply to#13768
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:22:47 -0700, Paul Rubin
<no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:
>> I suppose, but I still think that denormals were a bad idea.
>
>That was the subject of a very long debate mentioned in the interview I
>linked in another post, but consensus finally emerged at the time, and
>appears to have held up in retrospect, that the denormals (I think this
>is what they mean by gradual underflow) was the right thing.

The denormal question only exists due to using hidden bit
normalization in a Radix-2 system. Since a Radix-8 or Radix-16
floating representation does not have that hidden bit issue, were
denormals ever a problem with these machines ?

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#13781

Fromglen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Date2013-09-20 14:33 +0000
Message-ID<l1hmbq$9vh$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#13777
In comp.dsp upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

(snip, previously I wrote)

>>> I suppose, but I still think that denormals were a bad idea.

(snip)

> The denormal question only exists due to using hidden bit
> normalization in a Radix-2 system. Since a Radix-8 or Radix-16
> floating representation does not have that hidden bit issue, were
> denormals ever a problem with these machines ?

For S/360 style (still available with z/Architecture) radix 16,
they would only come from add unnormalized, and subtract unnormalized.
For other instructions, on post normalization underflow they 
either generate zero or wrap the exponent and interrupt, 
depending on a mask bit.

For S/360 style prenormalization for add/subtract, it is done
based on the exponent value and not the bits. The Fortran AINT
function (truncate to integer, but keep in floating point form)
you just add X'47000000' that is, 0*16**7. During prenormalization,
the appropriate bits will be shifted out, zero added, and then
post normalized. 

Note also how easy it is to read S/360 style floating point values
in a hex dump. The first (leftmost) two digits are sign and 
seven bit biased exponent, then six or 14 hex digits of fraction
in base 16. 

So, yes, if you stored a denormal it would work right in add/subtract.
I am not sure what multiply and divide would do with one.

-- glen

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#13778

Fromupsidedown@downunder.com
Date2013-09-20 15:55 +0300
Message-ID<dtgo39dhjrcjvgjpi5sse6b1kosip98f65@4ax.com>
In reply to#13768
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:22:47 -0700, Paul Rubin
<no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> Inf and NaN are nice, but not needed for a hardware array
>> implementation.
>
>Really, they are used in calculations.  You can run a calculation
>without a lot of intermediate tests because you can check at the end if
>a NaN came out.  Similarly in cases where you can get real answers
>despite the appearance of Inf in some intermediate result (e.g. since
>1/Inf=0), you can rely on it working.  That isn't someone abusing the
>standard in some way that's too smart for their own good.  The standard
>was designed in order to make that type of calculation work in the
>determinate cases and give NaN in the indeterminate cases.


Sounds like sweeping the problem under the carpet :-).

If you really get infinity at some intermediate stage, this really
looks that the algorithm was faulty from the beginning or not valid
for the range of arguments. 

Relying on 1/Inf=0 may hide much more fundamental problems. 

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#13782

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-20 08:42 -0700
Message-ID<7xd2o3biu0.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13778
upsidedown@downunder.com writes:
> If you really get infinity at some intermediate stage, this really
> looks that the algorithm was faulty from the beginning or not valid
> for the range of arguments.  Relying on 1/Inf=0 may hide much more
> fundamental problems.

The function may have had a pole at some point where you ran it.  In
this case the algorithm is faulty if the floating point architecture
doesn't handle infinity properly.  IEEE-754 was designed to make the
algorithm non-faulty.  That said, there are a lot of sharp corners to
the behavior so you're going to write a non-buggy algorithm that makes
use of it, it helps to really know what you're doing with the
intricacies of the standard.

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#13814

FromDavid Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
Date2013-09-23 09:06 +0200
Message-ID<pNGdnbA-G_vjdaLPnZ2dnUVZ7t2dnZ2d@lyse.net>
In reply to#13782
On 20/09/13 17:42, Paul Rubin wrote:
> upsidedown@downunder.com writes:
>> If you really get infinity at some intermediate stage, this really
>> looks that the algorithm was faulty from the beginning or not valid
>> for the range of arguments.  Relying on 1/Inf=0 may hide much more
>> fundamental problems.
> 
> The function may have had a pole at some point where you ran it.  In
> this case the algorithm is faulty if the floating point architecture
> doesn't handle infinity properly.  IEEE-754 was designed to make the
> algorithm non-faulty.  That said, there are a lot of sharp corners to
> the behavior so you're going to write a non-buggy algorithm that makes
> use of it, it helps to really know what you're doing with the
> intricacies of the standard.
> 

IEEE-754 infinities and NaNs were /not/ designed to make such an
algorithm "non-faulty".  They just allow the code to continue without a
halt or a trap, and see later that the function was called with an
invalid input.  (It is likely to be the calling code that is wrong here,
rather than the called algorithm - except if the called function is
badly specified.)

If you have a function f() with a pole at X, and you write "y = f(X)",
then the answer is /always wrong/.  It doesn't matter if the function
returns 0, 27, +inf, or formats your hard drive - it is still wrong.
All an "inf" or "NaN" can tell you is that you have done something wrong.

Of course, this can be useful in some circumstances - but it is not
really different than setting errno, or returning a struct { bool valid;
double result; }, or returning some other kind of signal value.

There are times when you can do mathematical reasoning with functions
even at its poles (such as looking at limits close to the poles).  But
IEEE-754 "inf" does not let you do that - you don't have nearly enough
information to do anything sensible except see that you have had an error.

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#13946

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-09-28 12:07 -0700
Message-ID<7xhad4rci8.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13814
David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes:
> If you have a function f() with a pole at X, and you write "y = f(X)",
> then the answer is /always wrong/.  It doesn't matter if the function
> returns 0, 27, +inf, or formats your hard drive - it is still wrong.

If the final answer is Inf then it's invalid, but you might have an
intermediate result be Inf, and IEEE arithmetic says what's supposed to
happen then (e.g. 1/Inf = 0).  Kahan has given some examples of
calculations designed to make use of this property.  

I remember a trick question from math class: where are the singularities
of the cotangent function?  Obvious answer: cot x = cos x / sin x, so it
has poles at the roots of sin x: 0, 180 degrees, etc.  Trick answer: cot x
is actually defined as 1/tan x, so it also has removable singularities
at the places where cos x = 0.  Inf in IEEE arithmetic can let you
treat the function as continuous at points like that, which you might
want to do.

> All an "inf" or "NaN" can tell you is that you have done something wrong.

Not at all, Inf is valid in IEEE arithmetic as described above, and NaN
just means you did an invalid calculation, maybe on purpose, in which
case it's not "wrong".  For example, think of a general purpose
numerical root-finding algorithm which you give an arbitrary function f
and an initial guess x.  It starts making other guesses near x, and if
it gets a NaN, it says "ok that guess was outside the function domain,
I'll make the next guess somewhere else".  HP calculators of the 1990's
had a rootfinder that did that, using IEEE 854 arithmetic.

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#13976

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no>
Date2013-09-29 22:15 +0200
Message-ID<7sSdnXfnStnMF9XPnZ2dnUVZ8iadnZ2d@lyse.net>
In reply to#13946
On 28/09/13 21:07, Paul Rubin wrote:
> David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes:
>> If you have a function f() with a pole at X, and you write "y = f(X)",
>> then the answer is /always wrong/.  It doesn't matter if the function
>> returns 0, 27, +inf, or formats your hard drive - it is still wrong.
>
> If the final answer is Inf then it's invalid, but you might have an
> intermediate result be Inf, and IEEE arithmetic says what's supposed to
> happen then (e.g. 1/Inf = 0).  Kahan has given some examples of
> calculations designed to make use of this property.
>
> I remember a trick question from math class: where are the singularities
> of the cotangent function?  Obvious answer: cot x = cos x / sin x, so it
> has poles at the roots of sin x: 0, 180 degrees, etc.  Trick answer: cot x
> is actually defined as 1/tan x, so it also has removable singularities
> at the places where cos x = 0.  Inf in IEEE arithmetic can let you
> treat the function as continuous at points like that, which you might
> want to do.

You do not get /workable/ removable singularities in calculations using 
simple floating point numerical approximations, such as IEEE describes. 
  It may be possible to find particular examples when things happen to 
work out correctly, but that's just luck.  Write your code /correctly/ 
within the limits of the numerical model you are using, or use a 
different model that provides enough detail and flexibility to be able 
to correctly model the types of numbers or sequences you want.

As for cot, you can define it as cos/sin and there are no singularities 
of any sort at cos x = 0.  Your maths teacher just defined it as 1/tan 
in order to illustrate that some functions need more careful definitions 
in order to work as you first think.  And how it is defined bears no 
relationship to how it is calculated in a numerical approximation - and 
it is the approximation algorithm that is key when you want to get 
useful results.  If you think you can just write "1/tan(x)" and rely on 
the "magic" of IEEE's infinities to make things work at cos x = 0, you 
are kidding yourself.

>
>> All an "inf" or "NaN" can tell you is that you have done something wrong.
>
> Not at all, Inf is valid in IEEE arithmetic as described above, and NaN
> just means you did an invalid calculation, maybe on purpose, in which
> case it's not "wrong".  For example, think of a general purpose
> numerical root-finding algorithm which you give an arbitrary function f
> and an initial guess x.  It starts making other guesses near x, and if
> it gets a NaN, it says "ok that guess was outside the function domain,
> I'll make the next guess somewhere else".  HP calculators of the 1990's
> had a rootfinder that did that, using IEEE 854 arithmetic.
>

Such "rootfinder" algorithms are the only reasonable justification I 
have seen for NaN's.  And yes, all they tell you is precisely "you've 
done something wrong".  For rootfinders, such information can be useful 
- since you have (presumably) already tested the correctness of the test 
function when you are within the valid input domain, they then tell you 
you are outside that domain.

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#14033

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-10-01 00:33 -0700
Message-ID<7xy56de985.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#13976
David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> writes:
> If you think you can just write "1/tan(x)" and rely on the "magic" of
> IEEE's infinities to make things work at cos x = 0, you are kidding
> yourself.

It's not magic, it's just the properties of the arithmetic.  It's just
like if the specification of some CPU architecture says a certain
combination of instructions will give result X, it's perfectly ok to use
that combination if X is what you want.  This is especially true if the
architects have come out and said they designed the instruction set with
that particular effect in mind, i.e. it's not a quirk or anomaly.
Obviously if you want something different from X, you should not use
that combination of instructions.  And whether you want X depends on the
very low level details of your application.  Obviously you can't just
close your eyes and ignore singularities because you think the machine
arithmetic will take care of them.  It is, however, ok to plan around
them and arrange your code for the specific function domain, so that the
right thing happens if you hit upon one.

If you are saying X (in this case the behavior of IEEE Infinity) is
never a reasonable thing to want to rely on in the first place, you're
going to have to take that up with the designers rather than with me.
Since they were world-renowned numerical analysts with tons of
experience implementing numerical algorithms that dealt with these
issues, I am most comfortable assuming that they knew what they were
doing when they designed the standard the way they did.

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#14044

FromDavid Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
Date2013-10-01 10:25 +0200
Message-ID<EL2dnW65XtGeGtfPnZ2dnUVZ7t-dnZ2d@lyse.net>
In reply to#14033
On 01/10/13 09:33, Paul Rubin wrote:
> David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> writes:
>> If you think you can just write "1/tan(x)" and rely on the "magic" of
>> IEEE's infinities to make things work at cos x = 0, you are kidding
>> yourself.
> 
> It's not magic, it's just the properties of the arithmetic.  It's just
> like if the specification of some CPU architecture says a certain
> combination of instructions will give result X, it's perfectly ok to use
> that combination if X is what you want.  This is especially true if the
> architects have come out and said they designed the instruction set with
> that particular effect in mind, i.e. it's not a quirk or anomaly.
> Obviously if you want something different from X, you should not use
> that combination of instructions.  And whether you want X depends on the
> very low level details of your application.  Obviously you can't just
> close your eyes and ignore singularities because you think the machine
> arithmetic will take care of them.  It is, however, ok to plan around
> them and arrange your code for the specific function domain, so that the
> right thing happens if you hit upon one.
> 
> If you are saying X (in this case the behavior of IEEE Infinity) is
> never a reasonable thing to want to rely on in the first place, you're
> going to have to take that up with the designers rather than with me.
> Since they were world-renowned numerical analysts with tons of
> experience implementing numerical algorithms that dealt with these
> issues, I am most comfortable assuming that they knew what they were
> doing when they designed the standard the way they did.
> 

I'm sure the guys at IEEE were very smart.  But it was in a different
time, for different hardware, different software and different types of
applications.  They could have done the best possible job at the time -
but still it is absurd to suggest that the choices made then are the
ideal choices for the type of hardware, software and applications we
have now - especially in the embedded world.  While the mathematics
hasn't changed, other things have.

There will be HPC folk that feel 64-bit IEEE is far too limited in range
and resolution.  Microcontroller producers feel full IEEE hardware
implementations are too big, complex and power-hungry.  Toolchain
vendors feel software library implementations of full IEEE are too slow
and bulky, and they restrict the optimiser too much.  Embedded
developers feel they don't care about irrelevant details of features
they will never use, but they do care about code speed and size.

All I am saying is pick the right tool for the job.  When you want
simple floating point, the basic IEEE formats are quite a reasonable
balance of range and precision - but most of the details beyond that are
unnecessary costs with very little real-life benefits.

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#14126

FromPaul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-10-03 10:26 -0700
Message-ID<7xpprmp8oc.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>
In reply to#14044
David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes:
> I'm sure the guys at IEEE were very smart.  But it was in a different
> time, for different hardware, different software and different types of
> applications. 

The driving implementation at the time was the Intel 8087.  Not too much
different from embedded processors of today.  The supercomputer guys
mostly just looked on with amusement.

> There will be HPC folk that feel 64-bit IEEE is far too limited in range
> and resolution.

That's why 80 and 128 bit were invented.

> Microcontroller producers feel full IEEE hardware
> implementations are too big, complex and power-hungry.

I'd like to see actual numbers about that.  What I seem to be hearing is
that the world's top numerics experts spend years agreeing that the
right way to solve this problem is to do X, Y, and Z; and then some
hardware guy or PHB at a microprocessor vendor says "well I'm smarter
than all those experts, so I think X and Y sound fine but I'm going to
leave out Z and save 5 cents on transistors".  If that's what's going
on, it's not impressive.

> Toolchain vendors feel software library implementations of full IEEE
> are too slow and bulky, and they restrict the optimiser too much.

This is fine, they can have an option like --fast-math for users who
want it, though they should also have --ieee-math, preferably as the
default.  It's less of a problem than the hardware vendor who removes
following the standard as even as a possibility for the user.

> Embedded developers feel they don't care about irrelevant details of
> features they will never use, but they do care about code speed and
> size.

I wonder how often they're actually qualified to make such decisions.
One thing about standards is they're codifications of best practices.
If someone builds a critical application and something goes wrong
because they decided to ignore a standard, they're potentially in a
world of hurt.

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