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Re: Good Hardware Tools

From Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded
Subject Re: Good Hardware Tools
Date 2020-11-16 19:31 +0000
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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 6:11:08 PM UTC-5, Kent Dickey wrote:
>> In article <56b82e62-c2f8-4523...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 2:54:13 PM UTC-4, Philip Martel wrote: 
>>>> On 10/29/2020 23:17, Rick C wrote: 
>>>>> I will be working from home to help an open ventilator project and 
>>> want to acquire some tools. I've needed a new scope for some time, but 
>>> want an attached scope using the PC for a display. They are no cheaper 
>>> than the full scopes and good ones may be more expensive. The only ones 
>>> I've found that are decent are the Pico Technology scopes. Rather 
>>> pricey. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then there are small logic analyzers, again on the PC. One I've 
>>> seen used is good and not too pricey, but I don't recall the name. My 
>>> only issue with it is that it doesn't have a Linux driver. I keep 
>>> wanting to switch to Linux, but this is the sort of thing that holds me 
>>> back. Ah, found it. LogicPort by Intronix. Not a bad device, but no 
>>> scope.
>> I've had good luck in the past buying used HP 20+ year old test equipment on 
>> ebay. (It was named HP, then Agilent, now Keysight, which is kinda handy 
>> when searching, you get to pick the age of the equipment through the name). 
>> The HP16500C supports sending the display over X windows (so you can control 
>> it from your desk), and I think it supports NFS mounting so you can get 
>> at the trace data. It supports 5 plug in cards. The 16534a is the 
>> 2GSa/s 500MHz scope card which gives you two probes, and is about $500 or so. 
>> It's excellent. The 16555A cards are logic analyzer cards with 1 million 
>> states deep at 125MHz (250MHz if you lose half the channels, and 500MHz fixed 
>> sampling clock which is useful to see which signals are transitioning 
>> later/earlier than others on a bus). HP Logic Analyzers have very good 
>> triggering and selective trace capture ability. Try to get the 
>> 16555A already installed as a group in a chassis since there are special 
>> connectors to "gang" them together which you'll want. The 16500B chassis 
>> doesn't have the X windows or NFS support, so it's a lot less useful. 
>> 
>> I picked HP 16500C since I'd used it before--so think of something you 
>> used and liked that was new 20 years ago, and buy a used version of that. 
>> Everything is 20x-50x cheaper than new, which makes it a great deal. 
>> 
>> You're taking some risk on ebay, but it looks like you can get 4x 16555A 
>> in a 16500C chassis for under $500. I found one for sale near me 10 years ago 
>> and picked it up in person. (This stuff is heavy--I'd be wary of shipping 
>> damage). Quality used equipment from 20-25 years ago is better than cheap 
>> crap today. 
>> 
>> To be safe, I bought two of everything I wanted--one system was perfect, the 
>> other had some minor annoyances. 
>> 
>> It looks like the PicoScope 6000 new is 5GSa/s at 500MHz with 2 channels 
>> for $6916. The 25 year old HP equipment is almost as good (half the 
>> sampling rate) for 1/10th the price. 
>> 
>> Kent
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions.  I used one of those HP logic analyzers
> complete with a floppy disk drive, MANY years ago.  You picked the top
> end PicoScope to compare to.  The problem is the HP16500 would barely fit
> in my car without breaking an axle while the PicoScope will fit in my computer bag!  
> 
> In the winter I might have to turn off the HP during my electricity peak
> billing time and in the summer I'd have to chill the house in the AM to
> keep the temperatures down in the afternoon.  lol, just kidding of
> course, but they do use a lot of power which gets turned into heat.  At
> this moment, the laptop is the highest power drain that's running.  I'd
> like to keep it that way.  Heck, I'm considering replacing my fridge
> because the web says buying a new one will save enough electricity to pay
> for itself in five years or less.  It's 30 years old too.  
> 

The new fridge will fail in 5 years, planned obsolescence.
And the cost to run for your old fridge is a lie to get you to buy a new
one.

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Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-10-29 20:17 -0700
  Re: Good Hardware Tools Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-10-29 23:52 -0700
    Re: Good Hardware Tools Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-10-30 10:19 +0000
  Re: Good Hardware Tools Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-10-31 00:21 +0000
  Re: Good Hardware Tools Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2020-10-30 17:56 -0700
    Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-10-30 20:40 -0700
  Re: Good Hardware Tools Philip Martel <pmartel@alum.mit.edu> - 2020-10-31 14:54 -0400
    Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-04 20:13 -0800
      Re: Good Hardware Tools kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-11-13 17:10 -0600
        Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-15 19:43 -0800
          Re: Good Hardware Tools Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2020-11-16 19:31 +0000
            Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-17 01:50 -0800
              Re: Good Hardware Tools Stef <stef33d@yahooI-N-V-A-L-I-D.com.invalid> - 2020-11-17 11:14 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2020-11-18 04:14 +0000
              Re: Good Hardware Tools George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2020-11-17 12:05 -0500
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-17 10:06 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2020-11-17 16:02 -0500
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2020-11-17 22:28 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-11-18 11:11 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2020-11-18 12:40 +0200
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2020-11-18 14:51 +0200
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2020-11-18 21:46 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-11-18 22:29 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-18 12:45 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2020-11-18 21:08 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2020-11-19 00:35 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2020-11-18 16:12 -0500
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-18 17:30 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-18 23:36 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2020-11-19 22:31 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-19 14:43 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2020-11-20 22:13 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-20 18:01 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools James Brakefield <jim.brakefield@ieee.org> - 2020-11-21 11:39 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-18 03:15 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-11-17 22:25 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Dave Nadler <drn@nadler.com> - 2020-11-17 16:30 -0500
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-17 14:18 -0800
            Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-23 13:39 +0100
              Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-23 07:49 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-24 08:53 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-24 10:46 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-24 13:46 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-27 08:11 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-27 06:58 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-11-27 10:17 -0500
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-27 08:04 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-28 17:04 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2020-11-28 09:54 -0700
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-28 09:05 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-29 17:30 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-29 11:10 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-30 08:19 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-30 07:46 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-12-06 17:55 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-12-06 15:04 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Mat Nieuwenhoven <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2021-01-03 11:03 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-04 09:03 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2021-01-04 04:09 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Mat Nieuwenhoven <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2021-01-04 21:57 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2021-01-04 02:55 -0700
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-11-28 20:53 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-28 15:16 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-11-28 20:57 -0500
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-28 18:07 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2020-11-29 10:43 +0200
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-29 11:00 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-30 08:01 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-30 07:40 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2020-11-30 15:41 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-29 15:22 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-29 11:04 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2020-11-29 14:46 -0700
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-29 15:11 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-11-29 23:24 +0000
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-29 17:57 -0800
                Re: Good Hardware Tools "Mat Nieuwenhoven" <mnieuw@zap.a2000.nl> - 2020-11-30 08:32 +0100
                Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-30 08:03 -0800
          Re: Good Hardware Tools Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-16 13:13 -0800
          Re: Good Hardware Tools kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-11-17 22:56 -0600
            Re: Good Hardware Tools Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-11-18 03:20 -0800

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