Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor?

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Subject	Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor?
Date	2018-10-06 06:03 +0000
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Clifford Heath wrote:
>On 06/10/18 13:12, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On 05 Oct 2018 16:28:21 +0100 (BST), Theo Markettos
>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> In comp.arch.embedded Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> wrote:
>>>> Whether it turns out to be true or not, this will be the biggest
>>>> security blockbuster of the decade.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies>
>> 
>>> This is my analysis:
>>> https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2018/10/05/making-sense-of-the-supermicro-motherboard-attack/
>>> Theo
>> 
>> Thanks.  Nicely thought out blog article.  I agree that putting the
>> chip on the SPI bus would be the ideal location.  I might add that is
>> would be possible to add microcode instructions to the CPU via the SPI
>> bus (depending on how the added chip is wired into the system).
>> 
>> Some deficiencies and unanswered questions in the original Bloomberg
>> article:
>> 
>> 1.  Since Bloomberg apparently has possession of several of these
>> mystery chips
>
>They don't claim that, and we don't know it. The motherboard
>photos could have been sent by their inside source. It would
>have been much more risky to provide a whole MB to Bloomberg.
>The chip photos are probably something off Digikey.
>
>If they don't have the board or chips, the rest of your questions
>don't matter.

He has a good analysis IMNSHO.
Sure hand anything to the press, especially the biased press, and it will publish that.
The whole issue here is to get the reality show manager re-elected, mid-terms are knocking on the door,
keep republicans in power, create a common enemy, standard stuff.
Truth and 'tronics has little to do with it.

Any kid can make up this story.

Maybe that 'chip dot' is just flee poop, like the rest of what the reality lost show manager does.
And as significant as that.

At the same time companies like Apple may hand all user data to China, they only have to ask for it..
Money, sales, profit is the law. Snake oil is the trade.
:-)
Oh well...
remember in the last cold war how Russia was accused of spying on every one...
Now US does it as one bigger number.

And there is nothing to know really, of value, that China does not already have, or can do better.
That includes running a country.

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Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-05 09:29 +1000
  Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2018-10-05 01:14 +0100
  Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-05 07:27 +0000
    Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Gene Filatov <evgeny.filatov@ieee.org> - 2018-10-05 11:12 +0300
      Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Jan Panteltje <pNaOnStPeAlMtje@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-05 08:41 +0000
  Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-10-05 16:28 +0100
    Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2018-10-05 09:34 -0700
      Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-10-05 20:59 +0100
    Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Ed Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-05 10:37 -0700
    Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-05 20:12 -0700
      Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-06 13:42 +1000
        Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-05 21:02 -0700
          Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 04:09 -0700
        Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? <698839253X6D445TD@nospam.org> - 2018-10-06 06:03 +0000
          Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 04:22 -0700
      Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2018-10-06 08:45 +0000
        Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-06 08:51 -0700
          Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2018-10-06 16:42 +0000
            Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2018-10-06 19:55 +0300
              Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2018-10-06 19:29 +0100
                Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? DLUNU <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DLU.org> - 2018-10-06 22:41 +0000
                Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2018-10-07 02:07 +0300
                Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2018-10-07 11:56 +1100
                Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2018-10-07 03:46 +0000
              Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? DLUNU <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DLU.org> - 2018-10-06 22:40 +0000
                Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2018-10-07 02:05 +0300
                Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> - 2018-10-07 01:36 +0100
            Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-06 20:14 -0700
              Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2018-10-07 08:07 +0100
              Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? DLUNU <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@DLU.org> - 2018-10-07 14:09 +0000
                Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2018-10-07 08:55 -0700
                Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2018-10-08 00:50 +0000
                Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2018-10-08 00:51 +0000
      Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2018-10-06 08:50 +0000
      Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com - 2018-10-06 04:02 -0700
  Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? julio@diegidio.name - 2018-10-06 22:22 -0700
  Re: Supermicro server motherboards with hardware backdoor? Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2018-10-12 08:21 +0200

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