Re: OT: Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation

From	Don Y <this@isnotme.com>
Newsgroups	sci.electronics.design, comp.arch.embedded
Subject	Re: OT: Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation
Date	2013-10-01 17:37 -0700
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Hi Jeff,

On 10/1/2013 12:12 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:11:08 -0700, Don Y <this@isnotme.com> wrote:
>> Wow, I've been *blessed*, by comparison!  I've had two laptop drives
>> die and one "Zune drive" (I don't really consider those "drives"
>> even though they are  :< ).  Both laptop drives I believe died
>> simply from spinning up and down, up and down, up and down (you
>> get the picture?) from 24/7/365 use.
>
> Most of these are dead, dying, or untested.
> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/disk-drives.html>
> The pile is now about 3 times as big, but about 1/3 of the used drives
> are quite usable.  I clean them off and test them as time permits.  I
> would post a current photo of the pile, but it's currently buried
> behind a pile of machines that I don't want to move yet.
>
> It's easy to identify a drive that has a problem.  Not so easy to
> identify a drive that will NOT have any problems.

I've volunteered at a few places where we see (literally) thousands
of machines donated each year.  The number of machines that come in
with "dead" drives is astonishingly few.  Esp when you consider
there was *some* reason the donor opted to "discard" the machine.

> Start-stop (power save) is a great way to kill a drive.  It was a
> feature probably added by machine manufacturers to help reduce product
> life and inspire sales of replacement machines.

Well, thinking only about power consumption (conservation), spinning
a disk down *does* save power -- *if* it's going to *stay* spun
down!  So, in a laptop, etc. it's a viable way to extend battery
life.

Problem comes when you use such a drive in an app that won't let
the drive "idle".

>> The Zune may have died from being dropped -- or, just a crappy
>> drive to begin with!
>
> Apple iPods, with rotating memory didn't do any better than Zune.
> Lesson learned and solid state memory arrived to save the product.

I have several (disk-based) iPods that I've had no problems
with (so far).  The Zune came to me "failing" so I have no idea
what sort of life it had before...

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OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-27 19:59 -0700
  Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-09-27 21:46 -0700
    Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-27 23:01 -0700
  Re: Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms@charter.net> - 2013-09-28 02:25 -0500
    Re: Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 09:21 -0700
      Re: Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms@charter.net> - 2013-09-28 12:31 -0500
        Re: Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 13:21 -0700
          Re: Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms@charter.net> - 2013-09-29 01:47 -0500
      Re: Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms@charter.net> - 2013-09-28 12:33 -0500
        Re: Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 13:27 -0700
  Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-09-28 10:34 +0100
    Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 16:23 -0700
      Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2013-09-29 10:50 +0200
        Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-29 09:15 -0700
  Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2013-09-28 04:00 -0700
    Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 09:29 -0700
      Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2013-09-28 13:15 -0700
        Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 13:20 -0700
          Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2013-09-28 23:07 +0100
            Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 15:41 -0700
  Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Rich Webb <webb.ra@example.net> - 2013-09-28 09:56 -0400
    Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 09:32 -0700
      Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2013-09-28 09:58 -0700
        Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 16:35 -0700
        Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2013-09-28 20:12 -0400
          Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2013-09-28 18:09 -0700
            Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation krw@attt.bizz - 2013-09-29 11:24 -0400
              Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2013-09-30 10:24 -0700
                Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-30 12:11 -0700
                Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2013-10-01 00:12 -0700
                Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-10-01 17:37 -0700
                Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation krw@attt.bizz - 2013-10-02 15:32 -0400
                Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation krw@attt.bizz - 2013-09-30 19:39 -0400
          Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 18:33 -0700
  Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2013-09-28 09:37 -0700
    Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 16:38 -0700
      Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2013-09-28 18:30 -0700
        Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-28 18:39 -0700
  Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2013-09-29 23:13 +0200
    Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2013-09-29 15:43 -0700
  Re: OT:  Inhibiting persistent changes to a workstation Don Y <This.is@not.Me> - 2013-11-17 01:06 -0700

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