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Re: Alternative terms for master and slave

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On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 2:30:19 AM UTC-5, Michael Kellett wrote:
> On 15/12/2020 16:55, Rick C wrote: 
> > Here is another example. What do you think of using the term "carnal knowledge" to refer to knowledge of the inner workings of a function? 
> > 
> > This was a real discussion in a language forum. People were tossing the term around and I didn't know what they meant by it. I looked it up and found it's actually a term from mostly legal usage and fairly archaic. I have a relatively large vocabulary and the group is international, so I figured I would not be the only person needing to look it up. Since the only definition of carnal knowledge is to have intercourse with someone as in a trial, "Did you have carnal knowledge of the victim?" 
> > 
> > That just sounded strange to me. We give new meanings to words often, typically a closely related term that is given a particular shade of meaning in a technical context. I could not figure how anyone would think a euphemism for the sex act would be an appropriate term to requisition for use in discussing technical issues. 
> > 
> > I was accused of being a prude and seemingly in line with international opinions of people from the US. Many of the supporters of this new term indicated it was perfectly clear to them, so obviously must be clear to everyone. It was one of the oddest conversations I've had on the Internet. 
> >
> Perhaps people like using sex based terms for things because everyone 
> can understand the metaphor and a lot of us think about it a lot. 

That was my objection to the use of the term "carnal knowledge".  If someone not knowing the language looked it up and found it is a euphemism for having sex, what would they think it was being used for, having sex with your computer?  At least the term "promiscuous" has a dictionary meaning that is similar to the technical usage.   


> In the 60s it looked as if we might all get a bit more relaxed about 
> stuff - but now we seem to be going backwards. 

Not sure why you consider the issue to be a matter of going backwards.  Being sensitive to people's feelings is not a bad thing.  


> For what it's worth I use Controller and Device rather than Master and 
> Slave - it won't work - in the UK several terms for people with brain 
> function problems have been tried - but they typically take no more than 
> a year or two of common use to become derogatory. 

I think USB uses Host and Device which are good terms, clear enough and without connotations. 


> I wonder if people who sign have the same problem ...... 

Check out ASL for bullshit.  Very graphic. 

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  Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2020-12-15 17:56 +0800
  Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2020-12-15 11:57 +0200
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      Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-12-15 15:33 -0800
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          Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2020-12-18 07:56 -0700
    Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-12-15 08:34 -0800
      Re: Alternative terms for master and slave David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-12-15 19:57 +0100
        Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-12-15 19:13 +0000
          Re: Alternative terms for master and slave David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-12-16 08:59 +0100
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              Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2020-12-17 11:35 -0700
              Re: Alternative terms for master and slave David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-12-17 20:25 +0100
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        Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2020-12-15 19:37 +0000
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        Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-12-20 18:17 +0000
          Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-12-20 23:23 +0200
            Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2020-12-20 23:56 +0100
              Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-12-21 17:29 +0200
                Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2020-12-21 23:44 +0100
                Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2020-12-22 23:36 +0200
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  Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> - 2020-12-15 08:55 -0800
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    Re: Alternative terms for master and slave Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2020-12-20 01:08 +0100

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