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THE MINIMUM WAGE *AFTER TAXES* SHOULD BE 50% PER CAPITA GDP

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  THE MINIMUM WAGE *AFTER TAXES* SHOULD BE 50% PER CAPITA GDP Intelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com> - 2021-05-21 23:35 -0700
    abortion Intelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com> - 2021-05-21 23:36 -0700
    BIDEN INTENDS TO MAKE THE MINIMUM WAGE *MEDIAN* $15 NATIONWIDE (In 2009 Chained Dollars) Intelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com> - 2021-05-21 23:38 -0700
    Selling Contagious Poison, As Food And Recreation, Is My Big Question To America Intelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com> - 2021-05-23 00:53 -0700
    Re: THE MINIMUM WAGE *AFTER TAXES* SHOULD BE 50% PER CAPITA GDP "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2021-05-29 14:17 -0500
      Re: THE MINIMUM WAGE *AFTER TAXES* SHOULD BE 50% PER CAPITA GDP Gregory Carr <gregorycarritithetocharity@gmail.com> - 2021-07-22 17:09 -0700
    Bump Intelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com> - 2021-09-04 11:18 -0700
    Bump Intelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com> - 2021-09-04 11:21 -0700
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#2780 — THE MINIMUM WAGE *AFTER TAXES* SHOULD BE 50% PER CAPITA GDP

FromIntelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com>
Date2021-05-21 23:35 -0700
SubjectTHE MINIMUM WAGE *AFTER TAXES* SHOULD BE 50% PER CAPITA GDP
Message-ID<s8a8md$967$1@dont-email.me>
This is about 65% Per Capita GDP before taxes.

This should be Federal, and calculated by the 3,000 Counties, not to be lower than 
65%/50% of the lowest State's Per Capita GDP, nor higher than the 65%/50% of the 
highest State's per capita GDP.  That is, if the County's Per Capita GDP is higher 
or lower than the highest or lowest State's Per Capita GDP, use the highest or 
lowest State's Per Capita GDP, for the 65%/50% calculation.


Then let people not working, consume 50% of THAT, 50% of the minimum wage, which 
is 25% Per Capita GDP, by a free cash transfer.

And let people not working, under 18, consume 50% of THAT, 25% the minimum wage, 
which is 12.5% Per Capita GDP, by a free cash transfer.


If people work part time, their after tax net, after free cash is added, can't be 
more than full time minimum wage, of 50% Per Capita GDP net taxes.


Then we need FREE Community College, and 2nd two years at a 4 year College or 
University FREE.

Because Nepotism, favoritism to one's relatives, isn't fair.


Then we need 100% Loan to Value primary conforming home loans.  No two years 
income documentation, just present income like for renting.
A 250 year fixed loan is an interest only equivalent which allows people to buy 
more house at the bottom.
https://www.fhfa.gov/DataTools/Tools/Pages/Conforming-Loan-Limits-Map.aspx


Free Sanitation - Dumpsters and Porta Potties for the homeless - are mandatory, 
and of negligible cost.


Free Abortions - in the first trimester /14 weeks; there is no ghost in the fetus, 
and with no parental consent - this is mandatory, and of negligible cost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minors_and_abortion#United_States
If there is a ghost in the fetus after four months, it is like two adults attached.
If there's NOT a ghost in the fetus, it's immoral to NOT abort, if you DON'T want 
a baby.
There is no ghost in the fetus for the first four months.  So I thought, to be 
safe, we'd have free abortions for the first three months, plus one week, or 14 
weeks.  In Sweden it's 18 weeks, or four months plus 4.7 days (4 months is 17.3 
weeks).  Technically the ghost enters the fetus at different times, between the 
beginning of the fifth month, and birth.  In Canada abortion is funded by the 
government, it's mandatory to have it so, here too.


Implement these 6 things.  1. Minimum Wage, 2. Cash for Consumption, 3. Education, 
4. Home Loans, 5. Sanitation, 6. Abortions.  These contribute to my 10 point plan 
of SAFETHIC, which additionally includes 7. Transportation, 8. Water, 9. Power, 
and 10. Capital Savings:
SAFETHIC stands for: Sanitation, Abortions, Food, Education, Transportation, 
Housing, Incomes, Capital Savings, & Water, Power, & Parks.

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#2781 — abortion

FromIntelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com>
Date2021-05-21 23:36 -0700
Subjectabortion
Message-ID<s8a8oc$967$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2780
abortion

90% of abortions take place in the first three months - 13 weeks:
https://i.ibb.co/7rQhqTD/US-abortion-by-gestational-2016.jpg .

99.99% in the first 20 weeks or 4.6 months.
Abortions after 20 weeks are generally only done in extenuating circumstances.

So 90% take place in the first trimester or 13 weeks, and 10% more take place in 
the next 7 weeks, or first half of the second trimester.


The first two trimesters account for 26 weeks.  Normal gestation is 40 weeks, or 9 
months plus 1 week.


If there is a ghost in the fetus after four months, it is like two adults attached.

If there's NOT a ghost in the fetus, it's immoral to NOT abort, if you DON'T want 
a baby.

There's life after death, and there's life before life.  You didn't come out of a 
zygote.  God is light, and within, and One with you.  There's ghosts between 
lifetimes.  Most of the time, ghosts don't hang around the living.  There's no 
brain in the first three months. The average abortion costs $300-$800.  We could 
pay doctors double in order to encourage them to abort.  The total cost is less 
than $2 Billion; $1,000 x 2,000,000 abortions.  With savings on K-12 of 
12x$12,000x1.5million = $216 Billion per year.  Overpopulation is screwing the 
planet.  We can have a happier world.  Stop having children for the children.  At 
least unplanned ones. Unplanned childbirth is the scourge of nations.  Every sane 
civilization starts with population planning, among these several things.

Use two or more disparate types of birth control concurrently or you will get 
pregnant.

We demand parental consent laws be stopped and a minor's right to abortion be 100% 
fully recognized.  Parental consent laws place an "undue burden," on a minor's 
ability to get an abortion, as a minor has to inform some people who may be at war 
with her.  Guardian-Ward = Warden-Ward = Abuser-Abused.  I say we're all fraternal 
twins in my household, and we're all each other's children.  Yet we're not 
children.  People are meant to be brought up and not belittled.  Subjugation of 
people is hysterical.  And there is no punishment.  Good kids don't need 
punishment, and bad kids don't benefit from it.  Intelligence and Truth are the 
head of every individual.  Didn't you read Isaiah?  "A child shall lead them?" 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+11%3A6-10&version=NKJV

Parental consent laws are pure illegal and pure evil.  Every person has an equal 
right to an abortion, regardless of age, on this planet.  Ageism is a crime.  In 
the case of parental consent laws, abortion Ageism, is a capital crime.  This is 
murder.  People have rights, and imposing one's subjective values onto others is 
objectively wrong and immoral.  Even if they're your "children."  This is done by 
the power of the sword and is crime.  And "children" do have a right to privacy.

Anti-abortion has been winning, and the number of abortions per year, has declined 
by half, from over one million per year, to 626,000.

90% of abortions take place in the first three months  - 13 weeks:
https://i.ibb.co/7rQhqTD/US-abortion-by-gestational-2016.jpg .

99.99% in the first 20 weeks or 4.6 months.
Abortions after 20 weeks are generally only done in extenuating circumstances.

So 90% take place in the first trimester or 13 weeks, and 10% more take place in 
the next 7 weeks, or first half of the second trimester.

Anti-abortion, is thus basically so much malarkey, it is as dumb as the flag 
burning Amendment.  And Marky Mark burned the flag; and it's wasn't hate speech: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2q_b5rhvo

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#2782 — BIDEN INTENDS TO MAKE THE MINIMUM WAGE *MEDIAN* $15 NATIONWIDE (In 2009 Chained Dollars)

FromIntelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com>
Date2021-05-21 23:38 -0700
SubjectBIDEN INTENDS TO MAKE THE MINIMUM WAGE *MEDIAN* $15 NATIONWIDE (In 2009 Chained Dollars)
Message-ID<s8a8rs$967$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2780
BIDEN INTENDS TO MAKE THE MINIMUM WAGE *MEDIAN* $15 NATIONWIDE (In 2009 Chained 
Dollars)

This coincides with Trump's notion of 65% per capita GDP, of each of the 3,000 
counties.

This will be 50% of the per capita GDP, AFTER TAXES, of each of the 3,000 Counties.

Or else, better yet; determine the real 50% per Capita GDP, AFTER TAXES, of each 
of the 3,000 Counties.

Raise by 5% of the County’s per capita GDP every three months, or $1 every three 
months, whichever is higher.


United States per capita GDP varies,
from $31,881 in Mississippi, to $65,545 in Massachusetts (In 2009 Chained Dollars):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP_per_capita
[The U.S. Department of Commerce uses 2009 as a base year: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chained_dollars]

Miss. at $31,881 * 65% = $20,722.65, /2080hours = $9.96/hr under this notion.
Mass. at $65,545 * 65% = $42,604.25, /2080hours = $20.48/hr under this notion.

Between the 3,000 Counties, the per capita GDP disparity, is even greater, than 
between the States.

Underemployment masks true unemployment.

Take 1-2 years to raise, so as not to shock.  (COVID just shocked, and they didn't 
give a sh*t at all).

So, every 3 months, raise the minimum wage 5% of the County's per capita GDP, or 
$1, whichever is higher, until it reaches 65% of the County's per capita GDP, or 
$65% of the lowest State's GDP, whichever is higher.  Or determine the 50% thing.


Trump and Hilary discussed raising the minimum wage, in debate in 2016, Trump was 
thinking of 65% of per capita GDP of the County, while Hilary said $12 per hour. 
Trump and Biden just discussed it in debate Oct 22, 2020.  While Biden says he 
supports a $15 Federal Minimum Wage, Trump says $15 would be ruinous in some 
Counties.  Trump should have gone with the prior notion of 65% per capita GDP of 
the County:
Trump and Biden in Debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axBYd5X1vEY
Trump saying at least $10 Nationwide, in 2016, he never passed this: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJoFHS44rII

$15/hr would be too high in Mississippi, and too low in Massachusetts.
$15/hr * 2080hours = $31,200, which would be 97.86% of per capita GDP in 
Mississippi, and 47.60% of per capita GDP in Massachusetts (in 2009 chained 
dollars).  Yet we want 65% per capita GDP everywhere.  And to make it higher, you 
would have to limit spending at the top (which is a separate idea).  We have to 
protect capital savings.


Twenty-one States, have a State or Federal, minimum wage of $7.25/hr = $15,080/yr.

Five of those States, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and 
Tennessee, have no State minimum wage, yet only the Federal of $7.25/hr = $15,080/yr.

Sixteen of those States, have a State Minimum wage equal to the Federal of 
$7.25/hr = $15,080/yr: Idaho, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, North 
Dakota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Virginia, 
North Carolina, and Georgia.

The Federal Minimum Wage of $15,080, is 47.3% of per capita GDP in Mississippi, 
and 23% of per capita GDP in Massachusetts (in 2009 chained dollars).  Yet we want 
65% per capita GDP everywhere.  And to make it higher, you would have to limit 
spending at the top (which is a separate idea).  We have to protect capital savings.

It's like if you were trying to make the minimum wage in Mexico, the same as in 
the United States; it wouldn't fly.
Mexico's Per Capita GDP is $10,405, (Mexico's GDP _PPP_ is $21,362).
(Likewise Mississippi's GDP _PPP_ may be higher than $31,881).

We have to protect capital savings.  But we can't build an economy by not having 
an economy.  There will never be an economy for the slaves, if they don't build 
one through spending anything, relative to the existent capital.  We will never 
allocate resources correctly, and build the economy where we need to, if we don't 
start at the bottom.  We need to build the economy from the ground up.

I envision a much brighter future, for America, if we raise the minimum wage, as I 
indicate.  Look into the future, and see what you see.  I'm an economist.  Trust me.

Also, a low minimum wage is apparently correlated with a higher State prison 
population:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_incarceration_and_correctional_supervision_rate

The punishment for crime in most of the fifty U.S. States, is either slavery, or a 
dungeon, and that is abomination.


*NOTE, these numbers are actually not adjusted for inflation.  There is 2.5% 
inflation per year; 25% inflation per decade.  They have been discussing raising 
the minimum wage for some time.  Based on inflation, it would be as if Biden were 
saying 'make the minimum wage $19.50 nationwide,' and $13 per hour in Mississippi, 
and $26 per hour in Massachusetts.  Inflation is exponential.

The $13 is Hilary's $12 now, (Donald's $10(?)) with the inflation.  Hilary's 
already inflated 20% from the $9.96 listed at the beginning of this post.  That's 
how it would be $13, if for the whole nation.  The bare minimum; but not high 
enough, except in Mississippi.
If you go to 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP_per_capita
and compare Mississippi 2009 chained GDP to (scroll down) 2019 Mississippi GDP, 
you have $40,464/$31,881 = 1.269 = 27% increase over 2009.  United States total = 
$65,281/$50,577 = 1.29 = 29% increase over 2009.  Massachusetts $86,942/$65,545 = 
1.32 = 32% increase over 2009.  [So those previously calculated minimum wage 
percentages are even lower].

So I conclude, that the answer is:

Every 3 months, raise the minimum wage 5% of the County's per capita GDP, or $1, 
whichever is higher, until it reaches 65% of the County's per capita GDP, or $65% 
of the lowest State's GDP, whichever is higher.  Not to be higher than 65% of the 
highest State's GDP, and not to be affected by new States admitted to the Union, 
except as determined by Congress (New States will use States already previously 
part of the Union, unless otherwise determined by Congress, and States can have 
higher minimum wages themselves).

(So if your County's per capita GDP, is lower than the per capita GDP of the State 
of Mississippi, you use Mississippi's per capita GDP.)

(The State Government can still make the State minimum wage higher, if it wants).

Keep in mind there will be no money for retards under this plan.  The jobs that 
they ever could have worked will be eliminated.  However, I do not envision an 
increase in unemployment.  Rather, I believe raising the minimum wage will 
significantly stimulate the economy.  I envision a much more robust economic 
future for the United States.


Also, if the per capita GDP of Washington D.C. is really $200,000 as Wikipedia 
indicates, then this is why we also use just 65% of the highest State's GDP 
whichever is _lower_, for both Washington D.C. and any Counties who's GDP's are 
higher than the highest State's GDP.  At the moment New York State, $90,043 = 
$58,527 /2080= $28/hr would be the highest minimum wage in the Country, for 
Counties both in and out of New York State, who's 65% per capita GDP is as high or 
higher than $28/hr. Rather than indicating a $130,000, $62.50 minimum wage in 
Washington D.C.

Also, a useful link may be: Wikipedia "List of United States Counties by per 
capita income" This is not per capita GDP, but per capita income.  I presume 
they're using debt or asset spending to make per capita GDP higher:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_counties_by_per_capita_income
[Data for the 50 states and the District of Columbia is from the 2009–2013 
American Community Survey 5-Year Estimates:
Data on the District of Columbia does not seem accurate or correlated in this 
page: $45,290.]

As for the 5% or $1 raise every three months; Start with the State’s minimum wage 
if it is higher than the Federal of $7.25.



Finally, TRANSFER FREE CASH of 50% of the after tax minimum wage on a monthly 
basis. This is 25% per capita GDP; to everyone over 18 years of age.  The net of 
the free cash plus earnings, cannot be higher than the full time minimum wage. The 
amount of free cash shall be reduced until recipient's earnings and free receipts 
amount to full time minimum wage, of 50% per capita GDP after taxes.

Part time jobs are the only mal-point there, but workers don't really have control 
over hours worked, and so it's not really a point.

TRANSFER FREE CASH of 25% of the after tax minimum wage on a monthly basis.  This 
is 12.5% per capita GDP; to everyone under 18.  The net of the free cash plus 
earnings cannot be higher than the full time minimum wage.  The amount of free 
cash shall be reduced until recipient's earnings and free receipts amount to full 
time minimum wage, of 50% per capita GDP after taxes.

So far, under this plan, there is no different minimum wage for people under 18. 
If there were, that would either get them less pay, or jobs easier, or some of both.

You can get 3 months forward and 3 months back, each, maybe; 6 months upfront if 
needed.  Amount is determined by residence declared in the highest County be Per 
Capita GDP, so people have more money if they move, to a more expensive part of 
the Country.


The point is not to spend nor to save, but to spend exactly the right amount, and 
on the right things (and to save exactly the right amount). Building the bottom in 
consumer products requires spending money.  1. Consumption, 2. Personal Property, 
3. Real Property.  Otherwise we will never build the Supermarkets and Stores which 
provide these products and what people want.  It's all a question of what to 
finance.  Due to COVID more spending at Amazon.com has built Amazon.com more, and 
will allow Amazon.com to reduce prices.  Building these companies is in the 
interests of the American people, as these companies can then have economies of 
scale like Walmart.  Average costs are reduced when quantities increase, and fixed 
costs stay the same.  But the free market must determine which companies to build.

Fiscal Spending can merely increase inflation and the interest rates, and these 
will only go up if we reach maximum output.  We need to stimulate the economy to 
make up for the lost businesses to COVID.  But we can only finance so much 
ultimately, and what is it that we want to finance?  Even so, the economy hasn't 
been at maximum output since 2000*.  Also, waiters don't produce anything, and 
would be better off building and buying dinning room tables rather than working 
as, and buying, waiters.

Other things we can spend on/finance include:
Transportation
Education
Housing
Water
Power

Needs are (in no particular order):
1. Energy, 2.Communication, 3.Food, 4.Housing, 5.Transportation, 6.Medical & 
Dental, 7.Education, 8.Sanitation

1.Real Property, 2.Personal Property, 3.Consumption

Not sufficiently developed nor therefore commoditized:
1. Mattresses, 2. Shoes(athletic, boots, supportive dress), 3. Housing, 4. 
Vehicles 5. Electricity.

And of NEGLIGIBLE cost, YET MANDATORY!:
Free Abortions - in the first trimester /14 weeks; there is no ghost in the fetus, 
and with no parental consent - this is mandatory.
Free Sanitation - Dumpsters and Porta Potties for the homeless - this is mandatory.

San Diego has free trash pickup for a large percentage of its residents.  Maybe 
ALL dumpster services should be paid for by the Government.  Otherwise it's the 
difficulty of charging homeowners for dumpsters while those living in vehicles can 
still have free access to dumpsters.  Porta Potties are not an issue in this way.

"Since 1986, the city has collected trash from single-family homes but not 
apartments, condos, private streets or gated communities. Residents of 
multi-family units and their landlords have to contract with private companies to 
handle their trash."
https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/government/the-san-diego-garbage-law-thats-fueled-a-century-of-trash-talk/

One's right to park a bus in a residential neighborhood, and live in it 
nationwide; if there is no notice not to park in front of, nor directly across 
from, someone's house, as view could be blocked, nor block business signs.  A bus 
or RV is a wall of car.  A vehicle with a kitchen, bathroom, and bed, is the 
minimum acceptable housing.  But a shelter is a row of beds for no more than three 
nights, and tent is miserable, but provides more privacy than a shelter.  Some 
tent dwellers have cars a few blocks away.
Everyone produces 1/2 bag of trash per day, whether they live in a vehicle, a 
tent, or a home.
Stop cities from betraying the public trust by having preferential parking where 
it is not needed - as they may rush to use this method to ban RV's.

(*rates were up from 2005-2007 tho)
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/interest-rate
https://www.jpmorganchase.com/about/our-business/historical-prime-rate

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#2784 — Selling Contagious Poison, As Food And Recreation, Is My Big Question To America

FromIntelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com>
Date2021-05-23 00:53 -0700
SubjectSelling Contagious Poison, As Food And Recreation, Is My Big Question To America
Message-ID<s8d1m8$mph$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2780
Selling Contagious Poison, As Food And Recreation, Is My Big Question To America

Consumers are not even warned?

Employees are not even informed the job is to get COVID?

Waiters don't produce equity.  After the service is over there is nothing to show 
for it.

Rather than "Non-Essential Services," "Commercial Entertainment Services" should 
be eliminated.

People TOIL for others entertainment, and amusement?  Work is CREATED this way?

We let people take this big risk for entertainment which doesn't create any equity?

At least people in a movie, create a movie we have for 100 years.

"Commercial Entertainment Services:" I am talking about Broadway, Circuses, Vegas 
Shows, The Opera, Waiters, and Whores.

If there is a substitute product, such as take-out for dine-in, then total 
prohibition may be alright.  We should endeavor to not create an illegal market, 
but whores don't produce anything.  Sex and property are the mountain between us. 
So the lack of a substitute product seems to go to just whores, and I'm not saying 
we should or shouldn't have them, but I don't agree with punishment.

Health Clubs are not even close to the same basket as "Commercial Entertainment 
Services."

Then there's haircuts, pedicures, and gardeners.  The work they provide doesn't 
last for long.

I think I may never hire another waiter in my life.  That's not the sort of job I 
like to provide.  I understand the Restaurant industry is huge.  It is also 
apparently a huge waste.  Do you want to finance more kitchens for quality 
take-out, or more Restaurants?  We can only spend so much, and we don't have 
property at the bottom.  Waiters, rather, should be producing equity, or going to 
school for free.  Waiters could be allowed to spend the same without working, and 
it wouldn't do anything at all to the economy, people would just not 'enjoy' waiters.

The governments would pull poisonous lettuce off the shelves, but there would be 
other lettuce for sale.  They pulled Tryptophan, which killed several people, off 
the shelves for ten years, without a substitute product; do you think that was 
wrong?  COVID is not just poisonous food for sale at Restaurants; COVID is 
contagious poisonous food for sale at restaurants.  The government prohibits 
poisonous drugs to be sold as recreational party-fun.  COVID is not just poison 
sold as recreational party-fun; COVID is contagious poison sold as recreational 
party-fun.

Selling contagious poison, as food and recreation, is my big question to America. 
And taking such a big health risk, for entertainment, which doesn't produce any 
equity.  But actually my question is why have such "Commercial Entertainment 
Services" work, allowed in the first place.  That's what we want to trade?  So the 
waiter can go out to eat, if there ever is a post-COVID?  It's not going to make 
us rich.  Instead he could produce, and buy, a nicer dinning room table. Rather 
than endless toil.
(And porn-stars, unlike whores, yet like a table producer, and like a movie star, 
produce a product.  Still, the general principle of employment law, is the work 
ought not be unnecessarily dangerous, unnecessarily unsanitary, unnecessarily 
injurious, nor unnecessarily painful.  So, as to professional sports, they only 
sort of produce a product.  I doubt they'll start playing flag football in place 
of NFL, or get rid of boxing anytime soon, but the purpose of Ultimate Fighting 
was supposedly to figure out which martial art works best; and have they figured 
that out?, and do we really need Ultimate Fighting?  They can keep the 
bull-fighting in Mexico, or else we'll have dog fighting and cock fighting and 
other such stuff soon here.  (Animal cruelty, is not a legal persuasion.)  And yet 
these Sports barely produce a product, too; like you watch reruns of the NFL or 
Olympics much.  If you want to play High School for free, or intramural, that's 
another matter.  But the two issues are: employed to commit self-harm; and, 
working for other's amusement producing no equity.)

Making salaries more equitable, could be another way to address the matter.  Based 
on the above, you couldn't ever have a servant for a Birthday party, nor a 
Wedding.  Yet still, do you need one?  But having to pay more equitably, that is 
every person more equal consumption, for an hour worked; could mean not 
frivolously employing a waiter, vs. not paying an NFL star to risk his life. While 
we all need to hold equity and savings, we could all consume the same, but some 
person owns the Empire State Building.
But even with slave labor, Waiters don't build the economy, and a lot of what is 
going on right now *is* about building the economy.  At least slaves would build 
real equity.  Waiters will not.  So while one way of solving the problem could be 
paying more equal consumption per hour worked, thus we would not frivolously 
employ, nor compel risk taking, for pay, nor high pay, we do need, at the same 
time, to hold capital savings in private hands.

All the above said; working to commit the self harm of risking COVID, and building 
no equity, while doing so, both at the same time, is really the big issue here. 
There's no argument in my mind that it's ludicrous.  Even so, people need jobs, 
but it would be/should be, COVID that put them out of a job, but I guess people 
merely take risks for money, which is serious, when they have no other option.

It's more the fruits of our Capital, that produces, than our labor.  Maybe 
ex-waiters, and the like, should just have free cash to spend, to a degree.  With 
still more incentive than that, to earn, as we need to finance Capital and 
Intellectual Capital - School, to make the Country yet wealthier.... Perhaps money 
if you're trying to get to School, or are going to school.  The Macro-Economy is 
at stake here.

A movie theater can be run by a few people, serving hundreds.  And let's not 
confuse Commercial Entertainment *Services*, with Commercial Entertainment 
*Capital*.  We do want Big Screen T.V.'s right?  For if we went to prohibiting 
Capital, it could be anything... from Children's Toys to Christmas Trees. Anything 
that you enjoy.  Still, jewelry made out of Gold is a colossal waste. People die 
mining Gold all day.  Costume jewelry may be a sufficient substitute product.  (In 
Russia, the waste of the likes of the Faberge Eggs - extremely expensive art - 
contributed the Russian civil war, and over half a century of Marxist Communism, 
which caused the Cold War.)

Selling contagious poison, as food and recreation, while building no equity, is 
yet my big question to America.  The more we study and think about this issue the 
richer we may become.  COVID is a new and fairly unstudied topic.  As the more you 
analyze, the more you know how to allocate, and the richer you become.  What do 
logic, reason, and intelligence ultimately and further dictate?  To know, we have 
to think.  This is a question so far, if it's not clear.


"Those who remember always that they know nothing, and who have become willing to 
learn everything, will learn it.
...Think not you understand anything until you pass the test of perfect peace" - A 
Course in Miracles

"My fellow Americans, you're owed nothing less than the truth." - President Joe 
Biden, - March 11, 2021


How is there non-essential work being done, ever.  While "work from home if you 
can" is a great law, and taking all consumer and employee precautions, and 
protection, is imperative; isn't all work essential?

Rather than "Non-Essential Services," "Commercial Entertainment Services" and 
perhaps "Commercial Entertainment Real Estate," should be eliminated.

If the movie theater were a "public" structure, that could be reserved to show 
your rented movie to hundreds, at least we would be able to use the structure over 
and over, vs. building a movie theater or a football stadium instead of housing. 
Yet the people providing the "non-essential entertainment service" produce no 
equity whatsoever, and after the waiter's work is done, he goes home having 
produced NOTHING.  No dinning room table to last years.  A mere food store in the 
movie theater is notwithstanding.

So "Public" Entertainment Real Estate," is that still bad?  So, do we want 
"Entertainment Real Estate" at all?

1. Real Property, 2. Personal Property, 3. Consumption.
Service is a Consumption, unless it produces Personal Property (or Real Property). 
  Consumption is all gone once the work's done.  A gardener's work lasts a couple 
weeks.  I guess you have memories of a waiter's service.

Plus, is it really anyone's passion to be a waiter?  How about a masseuse, or a 
whore, or are those even more important than haircuts as healthcare, but do people 
want to do it, how about to be in a show, on Broadway or in a play?  It's their 
passion?  You think it's not work?  People should wake up happy every day to work. 
  Are these people happy?  Don't we want to eliminate _work_?  Life is about art, 
and science, and friends.

Should _art_ be all hobby?  You can cook for your friends.  Not be enslaved for 
other's entertainment and amusement.


"The foundation of empire is art and science.  Remove them or degrade them, and 
the empire is no more.
Empire follows art and not vice versa as Englishmen suppose." - William Blake

"Sex and art are the same thing." - Pablo Picasso

Left Brain/Right Brain = Science/Art

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. 
  We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."
- Albert Einstein

"Beauty is truth, truth beauty,"—that is all Ye know on earth, and all ye need to 
know." - John Keats

... if you have industry and science and you're rich!


Yet,
"Love is your power, which... gives you everything."
- Jesus Christ, A Course in Miracles, Chapter 7, Section 6

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#2787

From"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net>
Date2021-05-29 14:17 -0500
Message-ID<fIGdnaUUNtuvDi_9nZ2dnUU7-dvNnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#2780
"Intelligent Party"  wrote in message news:s8a8md$967$1@dont-email.me...
>
> This is about 65% Per Capita GDP before taxes.

All this brouhaha over the minimum wage never would have happened had it
been kept adjusted to the cost of living over the years. Compare the minimum
wages of yesteryear with their buying power in today's money:

Year      Min.Wage      Equiv. 2021

1963         $1.35             $11.78

1970         $1.65             $11.36

1977         $2.65             $11.68

1978         $2.90             $11.88

In 1970 I had a summer job at a supermarket sacking groceries for $1.82/hr.
Are bagboys earning $12.53/hr in 2021?

COLA would've been the ounce of prevention.

Now it's time for a TON of cure... 

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#2802

FromGregory Carr <gregorycarritithetocharity@gmail.com>
Date2021-07-22 17:09 -0700
Message-ID<7968c93f-57d5-42a5-9860-ad64fb5adaffn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#2787
On Saturday, 29 May 2021 at 12:17:12 UTC-7, Byker wrote:
> "Intelligent Party" wrote in message news:s8a8md$967$1...@dont-email.me...
> > 
> > This is about 65% Per Capita GDP before taxes.
> All this brouhaha over the minimum wage never would have happened had it 
> been kept adjusted to the cost of living over the years. Compare the minimum 
> wages of yesteryear with their buying power in today's money: 
> 
> Year Min.Wage Equiv. 2021 
> 
> 1963 $1.35 $11.78 
> 
> 1970 $1.65 $11.36 
> 
> 1977 $2.65 $11.68 
> 
> 1978 $2.90 $11.88 
> 
> In 1970 I had a summer job at a supermarket sacking groceries for $1.82/hr. 
> Are bagboys earning $12.53/hr in 2021? 
> 
> COLA would've been the ounce of prevention. 
> 
> Now it's time for a TON of cure...

Here in B.C. the minimum wage is $15.30 an hour that includes waiters and waitresses way to go N.D.P. To get a C.O.L.A. you need a union contract and most non govt workers in BC are not union. Healthcare is free. 

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#2805 — Bump

FromIntelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com>
Date2021-09-04 11:18 -0700
SubjectBump
Message-ID<sh0d9o$v5u$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2780
Bump

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#2807 — Bump

FromIntelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com>
Date2021-09-04 11:21 -0700
SubjectBump
Message-ID<sh0df1$1ha$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2780
On 5/21/2021 11:35 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:
> This is about 65% Per Capita GDP before taxes.
>
> This should be Federal, and calculated by the 3,000 Counties, not to be lower than
> 65%/50% of the lowest State's Per Capita GDP, nor higher than the 65%/50% of the
> highest State's per capita GDP.  That is, if the County's Per Capita GDP is higher
> or lower than the highest or lowest State's Per Capita GDP, use the highest or
> lowest State's Per Capita GDP, for the 65%/50% calculation.
>
>
> Then let people not working, consume 50% of THAT, 50% of the minimum wage, which
> is 25% Per Capita GDP, by a free cash transfer.
>
> And let people not working, under 18, consume 50% of THAT, 25% the minimum wage,
> which is 12.5% Per Capita GDP, by a free cash transfer.
>
>
> If people work part time, their after tax net, after free cash is added, can't be
> more than full time minimum wage, of 50% Per Capita GDP net taxes.
>
>
> Then we need FREE Community College, and 2nd two years at a 4 year College or
> University FREE.
>
> Because Nepotism, favoritism to one's relatives, isn't fair.
>
>
> Then we need 100% Loan to Value primary conforming home loans.  No two years
> income documentation, just present income like for renting.
> A 250 year fixed loan is an interest only equivalent which allows people to buy
> more house at the bottom.
> https://www.fhfa.gov/DataTools/Tools/Pages/Conforming-Loan-Limits-Map.aspx
>
>
> Free Sanitation - Dumpsters and Porta Potties for the homeless - are mandatory,
> and of negligible cost.
>
>
> Free Abortions - in the first trimester /14 weeks; there is no ghost in the fetus,
> and with no parental consent - this is mandatory, and of negligible cost.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minors_and_abortion#United_States
> If there is a ghost in the fetus after four months, it is like two adults attached.
> If there's NOT a ghost in the fetus, it's immoral to NOT abort, if you DON'T want
> a baby.
> There is no ghost in the fetus for the first four months.  So I thought, to be
> safe, we'd have free abortions for the first three months, plus one week, or 14
> weeks.  In Sweden it's 18 weeks, or four months plus 4.7 days (4 months is 17.3
> weeks).  Technically the ghost enters the fetus at different times, between the
> beginning of the fifth month, and birth.  In Canada abortion is funded by the
> government, it's mandatory to have it so, here too.
>
>
> Implement these 6 things.  1. Minimum Wage, 2. Cash for Consumption, 3. Education,
> 4. Home Loans, 5. Sanitation, 6. Abortions.  These contribute to my 10 point plan
> of SAFETHIC, which additionally includes 7. Transportation, 8. Water, 9. Power,
> and 10. Capital Savings:
> SAFETHIC stands for: Sanitation, Abortions, Food, Education, Transportation,
> Housing, Incomes, Capital Savings, & Water, Power, & Parks.

Bump

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#2865 — Bump

FromIntelligent Party <Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com>
Date2021-10-21 13:47 -0700
SubjectBump
Message-ID<sksjkm$eq3$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2780
On 5/21/2021 11:35 PM, Intelligent Party wrote:
> This is about 65% Per Capita GDP before taxes.
>
> This should be Federal, and calculated by the 3,000 Counties, not to be lower than
> 65%/50% of the lowest State's Per Capita GDP, nor higher than the 65%/50% of the
> highest State's per capita GDP.  That is, if the County's Per Capita GDP is higher
> or lower than the highest or lowest State's Per Capita GDP, use the highest or
> lowest State's Per Capita GDP, for the 65%/50% calculation.
>
>
> Then let people not working, consume 50% of THAT, 50% of the minimum wage, which
> is 25% Per Capita GDP, by a free cash transfer.
>
> And let people not working, under 18, consume 50% of THAT, 25% the minimum wage,
> which is 12.5% Per Capita GDP, by a free cash transfer.
>
>
> If people work part time, their after tax net, after free cash is added, can't be
> more than full time minimum wage, of 50% Per Capita GDP net taxes.
>
>
> Then we need FREE Community College, and 2nd two years at a 4 year College or
> University FREE.
>
> Because Nepotism, favoritism to one's relatives, isn't fair.
>
>
> Then we need 100% Loan to Value primary conforming home loans.  No two years
> income documentation, just present income like for renting.
> A 250 year fixed loan is an interest only equivalent which allows people to buy
> more house at the bottom.
> https://www.fhfa.gov/DataTools/Tools/Pages/Conforming-Loan-Limits-Map.aspx
>
>
> Free Sanitation - Dumpsters and Porta Potties for the homeless - are mandatory,
> and of negligible cost.
>
>
> Free Abortions - in the first trimester /14 weeks; there is no ghost in the fetus,
> and with no parental consent - this is mandatory, and of negligible cost.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minors_and_abortion#United_States
> If there is a ghost in the fetus after four months, it is like two adults attached.
> If there's NOT a ghost in the fetus, it's immoral to NOT abort, if you DON'T want
> a baby.
> There is no ghost in the fetus for the first four months.  So I thought, to be
> safe, we'd have free abortions for the first three months, plus one week, or 14
> weeks.  In Sweden it's 18 weeks, or four months plus 4.7 days (4 months is 17.3
> weeks).  Technically the ghost enters the fetus at different times, between the
> beginning of the fifth month, and birth.  In Canada abortion is funded by the
> government, it's mandatory to have it so, here too.
>
>
> Implement these 6 things.  1. Minimum Wage, 2. Cash for Consumption, 3. Education,
> 4. Home Loans, 5. Sanitation, 6. Abortions.  These contribute to my 10 point plan
> of SAFETHIC, which additionally includes 7. Transportation, 8. Water, 9. Power,
> and 10. Capital Savings:
> SAFETHIC stands for: Sanitation, Abortions, Food, Education, Transportation,
> Housing, Incomes, Capital Savings, & Water, Power, & Parks.

Bump

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