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  Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death The Newsgroup Devil <Devil@Hell.biz> - 2026-09-21 01:13 +0200
    Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-09-21 14:30 +1000
      Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 00:35 +1000
        Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death The Newsgroup Devil <Devil@Hell.biz> - 2026-09-22 00:13 +0200
        Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 09:09 +1000
          Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 10:21 +1000
            Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death The Newsgroup Devil <Devil@Hell.biz> - 2026-09-22 02:44 +0200
            Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-22 11:25 +1000
        Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-09-23 06:55 +1000
          Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 07:40 +1000
            Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-09-23 11:33 +1000
              Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 12:59 +1000
          Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 07:40 +1000
            Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 08:51 +1000
              Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 09:29 +1000
                Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 12:46 +1000
                  Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 17:39 +1000
                    Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 17:51 +1000
                      Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-23 18:00 +1000
                        Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 03:30 +1000
            Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 20:21 +1000
        Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-09-23 20:06 +1000
          Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 05:48 +1000
            Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 07:22 +1000
              Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-09-24 08:53 +1000
                Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 10:13 +1000
              Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 09:03 +1000
                Re: Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-09-24 10:36 +1000

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#20021 — Amazing advances in tech-induced artificial mass brain death

*Nobel Economist Warns: AI WILL DESTROY Democracy*
*Aaron Bastani meets Daron Acemoglu*

/Novara Media, 1.32m subscribers, 28,904 views, 8 hours ago/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNYDMfdD6pg>

"In the West, liberal democracy, or social democracy, has over the past 
century become the dominant political system: the water we swim in. But 
in an age of climate change, runaway inequality, big tech oligopolies, 
and rising fascism, the system that once promised so much to so many is 
breaking under the strain.

On Downstream this week is Daron Acemoglu, winner of the Nobel Prize in 
Economics. His 2012 book ‘Why Nations Fail’ sold over a million copies. 
This week, he’s here to discuss his latest work, ‘What Happened to 
Liberal Democracy?’ - a data-packed book that seeks to diagnose and 
remedy democracy before it’s too late.

When and why did liberal democracy stop working for the many? What 
happened during the transition from an industrial to a post-industrial 
economy? How important has the loss of community been? When did 
progressive politics become overrun by middle-class interests? How does 
AI further threaten our capacity to self-govern and lead flourishing 
lives? What could a pro-worker AI look like, and how can we achieve it?"

*Video-bookmarks*
00:00 Intro
03:52 Why Liberal Democracy Is Broken
07:49 What Liberalism Got Wrong About Community
11:24 Universalism, Open Borders, and the Limits of Liberal Ideals
17:49 Self-Government: Why We Need Democracy From the Bottom Up
21:09 Responding to The Economist's Hit Piece
23:06 AI as an Ideological Litmus Test
26:13 Big Tech, Elon Musk, and AI as a Centralising Technology
30:08 Fixing Social Democracy: Antitrust, Progressive Taxation and 
Wealth Taxes
33:24 How the Working Class Became Rightwing
36:00 The Post-Industrial Break: How Wage Growth and Shared Prosperity 
Collapsed
42:02 The Managerial Class and the Death of Mixed Communities
47:00 Left-Behind Towns: Deindustrialisation and Urban Inequality
55:06 Social Engineering, Orwell, and the Top-Down Imposition of Values
1:01:59 China’s Counterpoint to Western Liberal Democracy
1:04:40 Technological Leadership, and Why the West Is Losing Ground
1:09:25 China's Engineering: DeepSeek, BYD, and the Limits of State-Led 
Innovation
1:11:26 – Is Britain and Europe's Economic Decline Overstated?
1:14:03 – A Pro-Worker AI Agenda for the UK
1:15:24 – Closing Thoughts: Escaping the AGI Agenda
~~~~    ~~~~

I would never suggest that LLMs couldn't be used to really benefit human 
society.
But, as was the case with many other world changing inventions ever 
created by humans on this planet the danger of both unintentional and 
intentional misuse of that technology could create unimaginable havoc to 
our civilisation. Sadly the warning signs are already propping up 
everywhere!

-- 
Ördög
Your relentless newsgroup devil at your service

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#20025

On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 01:13:45 +0200, The Newsgroup Devil
<Devil@Hell.biz> wrote:

>*Nobel Economist Warns: AI WILL DESTROY Democracy*
>*Aaron Bastani meets Daron Acemoglu*

Here in Melbourne we have a "Socialist Party" and indeed an election
placard has gone up next door on their fence.

I have placed a wheelie bin to obscure it, thereby doing my bit to
hinder communism just a little.  And also preserving property values.

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#20026

On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 14:30:33 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 01:13:45 +0200, The Newsgroup Devil
><Devil@Hell.biz> wrote:
>
>>*Nobel Economist Warns: AI WILL DESTROY Democracy*
>>*Aaron Bastani meets Daron Acemoglu*
>
>Here in Melbourne we have a "Socialist Party" and indeed an election
>placard has gone up next door on their fence.
>
>I have placed a wheelie bin to obscure it, thereby doing my bit to
>hinder communism just a little.  And also preserving property values.
>
The AI genie is out of the bottle if Australia does not proceed with
AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI. While more
frightening countries won't be stopping it's development and whatever
riches that come with it.
I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
Australia's Parliament,

Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government where
people could earn money to buy homes and have families, that can have
families, like it was for me during the 1950's
But then be careful for what you wish for?
Maybe even peace and prosperity?

An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
principles, loyal to the Crown and Constitution, accountable for every
dollar, firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
truthful in debate, and committed to seeking peace before war.

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
one major depression, and two world wars.
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme
-- 
Petzl
What happens when the insane are "voted" (preferences) to lead our
Christian Commonwealth!

"The definition of insanity is doing something over and over again
and expecting a different result"
Then stop voting Labor/"Greens"/Teals!

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#20027

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# /All quoted inputs by kill-file residents have been expunged/

> Ördög
>
>> *Nobel Economist Warns: AI WILL DESTROY Democracy*
>> *Aaron Bastani meets Daron Acemoglu*
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNYDMfdD6pg>

> The AI genie is out of the bottle

There is still time to put it back by making sure it is used as a proper 
toll and not like a cash cow for the corporate etch giants disguised as 
some sort of gilded new fetish.

> if Australia does not proceed with
> AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI.

Bullshit. We do not need AI the way it is being pushed right now.
But hey, you have already show how do you intend to use it...pushing 
alt-right hallucinations into the ether as a full replacement for trying 
to figure things out for yourself, Petz dear.


> I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
> Australia's Parliament,

Long live Sky Net, eh, Petz dear?
You are out of your freaking mind ... not that this surprises anyone here.

> AI-assisted Australian government...
> Christian moral...
> loyal to the Crown...

Do you mean fuck any traces of real democracy and replace it with your 
theocracy AI????

GoonCon4+ again, Petz dear????

:-P

-- 
Ördög
Your relentless newsgroup devil at your service

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#20028

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> The AI genie is out of the bottle if Australia does not proceed with
> AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI. While more
> frightening countries won't be stopping it's development and whatever
> riches that come with it.

> I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
> Australia's Parliament,

You are completely off with the fucking fairys, as always

> Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government

Not even possible, no one has ever managed that

> where   people could earn money to buy homes and have families,

Plenty do that, including 4 of my mates in the last few years

> that can have   families, like it was for me during the 1950's

In fact they have it much better than you did in the 1950s

> But then be careful for what you wish for?
> Maybe even peace and prosperity?

> An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
> principles,

We aren't that stupid

> loyal to the Crown

We aren't that stupid

> and Constitution, accountable for every   dollar,

Not even possible

> firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
> truthful in debate,

We aren't that stupid

> and committed to seeking peace before war.

> Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
> one major depression, and two world wars.

Yep

> Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme

More fool you

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#20029

On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 09:09:59 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> The AI genie is out of the bottle if Australia does not proceed with
>> AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI. While more
>> frightening countries won't be stopping it's development and whatever
>> riches that come with it.
>
>> I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
>> Australia's Parliament,
>
>You are completely off with the fucking fairys, as always
>
>> Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government
>
>Not even possible, no one has ever managed that
>
>> where   people could earn money to buy homes and have families,
>
>Plenty do that, including 4 of my mates in the last few years
>
>> that can have   families, like it was for me during the 1950's
>
>In fact they have it much better than you did in the 1950s
>
>> But then be careful for what you wish for?
>> Maybe even peace and prosperity?
>
>> An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
>> principles,
>
>We aren't that stupid
>
>> loyal to the Crown
>
>We aren't that stupid
>
>> and Constitution, accountable for every   dollar,
>
>Not even possible
>
>> firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
>> truthful in debate,
>
>We aren't that stupid
>
>> and committed to seeking peace before war.
>
>> Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
>> one major depression, and two world wars.
>
>Yep
>
>> Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme
>
>More fool you
>
When Pauline Hanson's One Nation takes over Government
The good news is Albanese has promised to leave Australia.
Keating did that when he lost to John Howard I believel

The NDIS must be cleaned up, but integrity should apply at every
level.
Nearly 5,000 providers face action, while questions remain over the
extra $100 million for Avoca Drive—the main road to the Prime
Minister’s Copacabana property—and the $6 million grant to the
Marrickville Golf Club, about 200 metres from his Marrickville home,
despite his claim that he is not a member. With the federal business
case for the road funding also questioned, bottom feeders are being
pursued—but what about the top feeders?
-- 
Petzl
The repeat of July 1985, Treasurer Paul Keating temporarily abolished
negative gearing for future residential property investments.
Investors could no longer offset property losses against their salary
income.
What followed there was a property price slump, rents escalating, home
loan bank interest rates hitting 18%, a building slump.

To un-spook the market, it was fixed by John Howard
1999: The later Howard government introduced the 50% CGT discount for
assets held for more than 12 months, replacing the original inflation
indexation method used during the Hawke-Keating era.

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#20030

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# /All quoted inputs by kill-file residents have been expunged/

> Rod Speed"
>> Petz
>>

/snip/

>> You are completely off with the fucking fairys, as always

Yeah. That is exactly what Petz's GoonCon 4 deliriums amounts to.

>>> Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government
>>
>> Not even possible, no one has ever managed that
>>
>>> where   people could earn money to buy homes and have families,
>>
>> Plenty do that, including 4 of my mates in the last few years
>>
>>> that can have   families, like it was for me during the 1950's
>>
>> In fact they have it much better than you did in the 1950s
>>
>>> But then be careful for what you wish for?
>>> Maybe even peace and prosperity?
>>
>>> An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
>>> principles,
>>
>> We aren't that stupid

Yeah. Creating an almighty Sky-Net with a fascist Xtian theocracy bent 
ain't such an irresistible proposition at all to any sane and democracy 
preferring humans for some strange reason... LOL!

>>> loyal to the Crown
>>
>> We aren't that stupid
>>
>>> and Constitution, accountable for every   dollar,
>>
>> Not even possible
>>
>>> firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
>>> truthful in debate,
>>
>> We aren't that stupid
>>
>>> and committed to seeking peace before war.
>>
>>> Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
>>> one major depression, and two world wars.
>>
>> Yep
>>
>>> Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme
>>
>> More fool you
>>
> When Pauline Hanson's One Nation takes over Government

Yeah...yeah...yeah...yada...yada...yada...

The newsgroup is already completely familiar with your 
alt-right-fascist-theocratic wet dreams... but it ain't gonna happen.!
Live with it, sucker!  :-P

> The good news is Albanese has promised to leave Australia.

???
Are you trying to achieve new GoonCon records Petz dear?

> Keating did that when he lost to John Howard I believel

Coping with facts and reality ain't any of your successful character 
traits, Petz dear!

/snip the remainder of your insane rant/

-- 
Ördög
Your undeterred newsgroup devil at your service

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#20031

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> The AI genie is out of the bottle if Australia does not proceed with
>>> AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI. While more
>>> frightening countries won't be stopping it's development and whatever
>>> riches that come with it.

>>> I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
>>> Australia's Parliament,

>> You are completely off with the fucking fairys, as always

>>> Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government

>> Not even possible, no one has ever managed that

>>> where people could earn money to buy homes and have families,

>> Plenty do that, including 4 of my mates in the last few years

>>> that can have families, like it was for me during the 1950's

>> In fact they have it much better than you did in the 1950s

>>> But then be careful for what you wish for?
>>> Maybe even peace and prosperity?

>>> An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
>>> principles,

>> We aren't that stupid

>>> loyal to the Crown

>> We aren't that stupid

>>> and Constitution, accountable for every dollar,

>> Not even possible

>>> firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
>>> truthful in debate,

>> We aren't that stupid

>>> and committed to seeking peace before war.

>>> Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
>>> one major depression, and two world wars.

>> Yep

>>> Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme

>> More fool you

> When Pauline Hanson's One Nation takes over Government

Not gunna happen given that she has only ever had JUST ONE
MP elected to the only house that matters in that regard and
he will be jumping ship before the next federal election because
Hanson's stupid immigration policy will decimate all the industrys
in his electorate given the fact that they rely on temporary visa
holders providing the vast bulk of the agricultural and hospital
and aged home workers

> The good news is Albanese has promised to leave Australia.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic fantasys

> Keating did that when he lost to John Howard I believel

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic fantasys

Only Rudd has ever done that

> The NDIS must be cleaned up,

The govt is doing that

> but integrity should apply at every   level.

Not even possible to achieve that with an operation like that

> Nearly 5,000 providers face action, while questions remain over the
> extra $100 million for Avoca Drive—the main road to the Prime
> Minister’s Copacabana property—

That was a promise in the 2022 election campaign

Albo bought that property YEARS later than that

> and the $6 million grant to the   Marrickville Golf Club,

Just one of dozens of equivalent grants for other things like that

> about 200 metres from his Marrickville home,

He doesn't even use it

> despite his claim that he is not a member. With the federal business
> case for the road funding also questioned, bottom feeders are being
> pursued—but what about the top feeders?

No such animal with that

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#20038

On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 00:35:59 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 14:30:33 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 01:13:45 +0200, The Newsgroup Devil
>><Devil@Hell.biz> wrote:
>>
>>>*Nobel Economist Warns: AI WILL DESTROY Democracy*
>>>*Aaron Bastani meets Daron Acemoglu*
>>
>>Here in Melbourne we have a "Socialist Party" and indeed an election
>>placard has gone up next door on their fence.
>>
>>I have placed a wheelie bin to obscure it, thereby doing my bit to
>>hinder communism just a little.  And also preserving property values.
>>
>The AI genie is out of the bottle if Australia does not proceed with
>AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI. While more
>frightening countries won't be stopping it's development and whatever
>riches that come with it.
>I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
>Australia's Parliament,

Typically, the rapid rate of it's introduction will produce problems.
The incredible cost of employing people will guarantee the rise of
unemployment.
  
>
>Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government where
>people could earn money to buy homes and have families, that can have
>families, like it was for me during the 1950's
>But then be careful for what you wish for?
>Maybe even peace and prosperity?

TV and all the other time-wasting seditious gadgets have raised
peoples' expectations far above their abilities.   



>An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
>principles, loyal to the Crown and Constitution, accountable for every
>dollar, firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
>truthful in debate, and committed to seeking peace before war.
>
>Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
>one major depression, and two world wars.
>Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme

China is less communist now than before, and has become a gangland
rather like the crims of the French Revolution.   Still, it has worked
to put the "democratic" countries on the back foot.   And this is no
bullshit.

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#20039

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>> The Newsgroup Devil <Devil@Hell.biz> wrote

>>>> *Nobel Economist Warns: AI WILL DESTROY Democracy*

Mindless bullshit

>>>> *Aaron Bastani meets Daron Acemoglu*

Neither has a fucking clue

>>> Here in Melbourne we have a "Socialist Party" and indeedan election    
>>> placard has gone up next door on their fence.

>>> I have placed a wheelie bin to obscure it, thereby doing my bit to
>>> hinder communism just a little.  And also preserving property values.

>> The AI genie is out of the bottle if Australia does not proceed with
>> AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI. While more
>> frightening countries won't be stopping it's development and whatever
>> riches that come with it.

>> I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
>> Australia's Parliament,

Not possible to vote for that

> Typically, the rapid rate of it's introduction will produce problems.

Introduction of anything always does, even if that isnt rapid

> The incredible cost of employing people will guarantee the rise of
> unemployment.

Fools ran the same line with replacing telephone operators,
computers, paying bills electronically etc etc etc and that
didn't happen

>> Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government where
>> people could earn money to buy homes and have families, that can have
>> families, like it was for me during the 1950's
>> But then be careful for what you wish for?
>> Maybe even peace and prosperity?

> TV and all the other time-wasting seditious gadgets have raised
> peoples' expectations far above their abilities.

Bullshit on the far above claim

>> An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
>> principles, loyal to the Crown and Constitution, accountable for every
>> dollar, firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
>> truthful in debate, and committed to seeking peace before war.

>> Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
>> one major depression, and two world wars.
>> Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme

> China is less communist now than before,

But is still a police state in spades

> and has become a gangland  rather likethe crims of the French  
> Revolution.

Bullshit

> Still, it has worked   to put the "democratic"countries on the back  
> foot.

Only manufacturing and corruption wise

> And this is no   bullshit.

Bullshit

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#20047

On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 07:40:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>> The Newsgroup Devil <Devil@Hell.biz> wrote
>
>>>>> *Nobel Economist Warns: AI WILL DESTROY Democracy*
>
>Mindless bullshit
>
>>>>> *Aaron Bastani meets Daron Acemoglu*
>
>Neither has a fucking clue
>
>>>> Here in Melbourne we have a "Socialist Party" and indeedan election    
>>>> placard has gone up next door on their fence.
>
>>>> I have placed a wheelie bin to obscure it, thereby doing my bit to
>>>> hinder communism just a little.  And also preserving property values.
>
>>> The AI genie is out of the bottle if Australia does not proceed with
>>> AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI. While more
>>> frightening countries won't be stopping it's development and whatever
>>> riches that come with it.
>
>>> I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
>>> Australia's Parliament,
>
>Not possible to vote for that
>
>> Typically, the rapid rate of it's introduction will produce problems.
>
>Introduction of anything always does, even if that isnt rapid
>
>> The incredible cost of employing people will guarantee the rise of
>> unemployment.
>
>Fools ran the same line with replacing telephone operators,
>computers, paying bills electronically etc etc etc and that
>didn't happen
It's a question of degree.  The level of online scams is an
illustration. Too much too soon.
>
>>> Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government where
>>> people could earn money to buy homes and have families, that can have
>>> families, like it was for me during the 1950's
>>> But then be careful for what you wish for?
>>> Maybe even peace and prosperity?
>
>> TV and all the other time-wasting seditious gadgets have raised
>> peoples' expectations far above their abilities.
>
>Bullshit on the far above claim
The grab for more drives the populist state.
>
>>> An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
>>> principles, loyal to the Crown and Constitution, accountable for every
>>> dollar, firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
>>> truthful in debate, and committed to seeking peace before war.
>
>>> Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
>>> one major depression, and two world wars.
>>> Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme
>
>> China is less communist now than before,
>
>But is still a police state in spades
Yes, but so what?  Given the economic rise they're doing something
right.   Here in the West we have a credit and mortgage state in
spades.   Most people in China accept the status quo and are grateful
for the stability.
>
>> and has become a gangland  rather likethe crims of the French  
>> Revolution.
>
>Bullshit

>
>> Still, it has worked   to put the "democratic"countries on the back  
>> foot.
>
>Only manufacturing and corruption wise
Economically; and isn't that everything?
>
>> And this is no   bullshit.
>
>Bullshit
It is not bullshit!

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#20052

Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote
>>>>> The Newsgroup Devil <Devil@Hell.biz> wrote

>>>>>> *Nobel Economist Warns: AI WILL DESTROY Democracy*

>> Mindless bullshit

>>>>>> *Aaron Bastani meets Daron Acemoglu*

>> Neither has a fucking clue

>>>>> Here in Melbourne we have a "Socialist Party" and indeed an election
>>>>> placard has gone up next door on their fence.

>>>>> I have placed a wheelie bin to obscure it, thereby doing my bit to
>>>>> hinder communism just a little.  And also preserving property values.

>>>> The AI genie is out of the bottle if Australia does not proceed with
>>>> AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI. While more
>>>> frightening countries won't be stopping it's development and whatever
>>>> riches that come with it.

>>>> I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
>>>> Australia's Parliament,

>> Not possible to vote for that

>>> Typically, the rapid rate of it's introduction will produce problems.

>> Introduction of anything always does, even if that isnt rapid

>>> The incredible cost of employing people will guarantee the rise of
>>> unemployment.

>> Fools ran the same line with replacing telephone operators,
>> computers, paying bills electronically etc etc etc and that
>> didn't happen

> It's a question of degree.

Bullshit

> The level of online scams is an
> illustration. Too much too soon.

That would still have happened with less more slowly

>>>> Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government where
>>>> people could earn money to buy homes and have families, that can have
>>>> families, like it was for me during the 1950's
>>>> But then be careful for what you wish for?
>>>> Maybe even peace and prosperity?

>>> TV and all the other time-wasting seditious gadgets have raised
>>> peoples' expectations far above their abilities.

>> Bullshit on the far above claim

> The grab for more drives the populist state.

We have always had a populist state except in war time

Its the inevitable result of democracy

>>>> An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
>>>> principles, loyal to the Crown and Constitution, accountable for every
>>>> dollar, firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
>>>> truthful in debate, and committed to seeking peace before war.

>>>> Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
>>>> one major depression, and two world wars.
>>>> Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme

>>> China is less communist now than before,

>> But is still a police state in spades

> Yes, but so what?  Given the economic rise they're doing something    
> right.

Only because of the the completely fucked system that they came from

> Here in the West we have a credit and mortgage state in   spades.

So does china, most obviously with their banking and building system

> Most people in China accept the status quo

Bullshit they do, they actually realise that they
don't have a hope in hell of doing anything about
the worst police state in the entire fucking world

> and are grateful   for the stability.

More pig ignorant bullshit

>>> and has become a gangland  rather likethe crims of the French

>>> Revolution.

>> Bullshit

>>> Still, it has worked   to put the "democratic"countries on the back
>>> foot.

>> Only manufacturing and corruption wise

> Economically; and isn't that everything?

Corse it isnt with the service sector being MUCH more important

>>> And this is no bullshit.

>> Bullshit

> It is not bullshit!

Bullshit

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#20041

On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 06:55:38 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Sep 2026 00:35:59 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 14:30:33 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 21 Sep 2026 01:13:45 +0200, The Newsgroup Devil
>>><Devil@Hell.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>*Nobel Economist Warns: AI WILL DESTROY Democracy*
>>>>*Aaron Bastani meets Daron Acemoglu*
>>>
>>>Here in Melbourne we have a "Socialist Party" and indeed an election
>>>placard has gone up next door on their fence.
>>>
>>>I have placed a wheelie bin to obscure it, thereby doing my bit to
>>>hinder communism just a little.  And also preserving property values.
>>>
>>The AI genie is out of the bottle if Australia does not proceed with
>>AI Australia will go behind lacking the magic of AI. While more
>>frightening countries won't be stopping it's development and whatever
>>riches that come with it.
>>I might possibly even vote for it to replace those who stand in
>>Australia's Parliament,
>
>Typically, the rapid rate of it's introduction will produce problems.
>The incredible cost of employing people will guarantee the rise of
>unemployment.
>  
High-level positions focused on AI data infrastructure, vector
database design, and enterprise AI architecture can command total
compensation packages reaching between $200,000 and $400,000+ AUD.
>
>>
>>Would be for once a honest fraud free, profitable Government where
>>people could earn money to buy homes and have families, that can have
>>families, like it was for me during the 1950's
>>But then be careful for what you wish for?
>>Maybe even peace and prosperity?
>
>TV and all the other time-wasting seditious gadgets have raised
>peoples' expectations far above their abilities.   
>
Now you cam watch Donald Trumps TV channel
https://youtu.be/prdSj9caeQw?t=371
prerecorded
https://www.youtube.com/live/A4gNgHfZ-v4
live
>
>>An AI-assisted Australian government guided by Christian moral
>>principles, loyal to the Crown and Constitution, accountable for every
>>dollar, firm against fraud and corruption, locally representative,
>>truthful in debate, and committed to seeking peace before war.
>>
>>Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions,
>>one major depression, and two world wars.
>>Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Governme
>
>China is less communist now than before, and has become a gangland
>rather like the crims of the French Revolution.   Still, it has worked
>to put the "democratic" countries on the back foot.   And this is no
>bullshit.
>
Under Albanese labor gang wars have broken out
Kids are being hired as assassins by teachers
https://youtu.be/3Vu4As-phm0?si=UojQcycVtyyob9y0
School teacher accused of helping alleged gangland 'kill crew' | 9
News Australia

Many of my neighbors are working two or more jobs
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsKQiVJkEvI>
They Shoot Horses, Don't They ? (1969)
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20044

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> Under Albanese labor gang wars have broken out

Corse there were never ever any gang wars before Albo, eh

> Kids are being hired as assassins by teachers

BULLSHIT

> https://youtu.be/3Vu4As-phm0?si=UojQcycVtyyob9y0
> School teacher accused of helping alleged gangland 'kill crew' | 9
> News Australia

Nothing to do with Albo, fuckwit

> Many of my neighbors are working two or more jobs

Nothing to do with Albo, fuckwit

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#20045

On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 08:51:01 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Under Albanese labor gang wars have broken out
>
>Corse there were never ever any gang wars before Albo, eh
>
>> Kids are being hired as assassins by teachers
>
>BULLSHIT
>
>> https://youtu.be/3Vu4As-phm0?si=UojQcycVtyyob9y0
>> School teacher accused of helping alleged gangland 'kill crew' | 9
>> News Australia
>
>Nothing to do with Albo, fuckwit
>
>> Many of my neighbors are working two or more jobs
>
>Nothing to do with Albo, fuckwit
>
It's related to a busted economy and getting worse under Albanese
Labor.

Airservices offers triple pay to stop flight delays
Living in and suburbs around Sydney Airport particularly if paying off
home, raising children as well,Annual incomes need around $400,000
nowadays , If one goes further out could maybe get by with a $200,000.
Not everyone can tap into tax payers money to fund a $100,000,000 high
speed motorway to your Copacabana Mansion.

If Australians can't afford children because incomes have fallen to
low why would the government think the mass immigrants will be able to
afford children?

Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problem of not
enough income earners that we are having now!
Not seeing these mass-immigrants buying houses now but needing
accommodation.
Presently..
With private sector jobs shrinking wages are through cost of living
inflation of real dollar value dropping, many taking multiple jobs to
raise income (babies are now off agenda)

To live in Sydney now one needs a realistic annual income od
AU$200,000 to AU$400,000 to make ends meet and buy a home
The "Bank of Mum and Dad" is rapidly running out of liquidity. Rather
than young buyers successfully purchasing homes independently because
prices are falling, they are increasingly locked out entirely by high
interest rates, leading many to stay in the family home far longe

In short, importing people who face the same high housing and living
costs does not magically solve the fertility or aging problems, and it
demonstrably adds to accommodation demand while supply remains
constrained. 
The structural issues—housing supply responsiveness, planning,
construction productivity, childcare costs, and real wage
growth—matter at least as much as the headline migration number.

Mad Magazine years ago 50's? had a cartoon showing a modern apartment,
where one sits on a toilet armslenght from a fridge TV in front
Seems now true humans are now cage hens

That exact satirical prediction from MAD Magazine has literally become
a reality in the Sydney rental market. The specific concept of an
apartment where the toilet, fridge, and main living space are all
compressed within arm's reach is no longer just a cartoon
exaggeration; it is a regular feature of modern inner-city property
listings.The "cage hen" reality of modern micro-living is heavily
documented by several notorious real-world

So not bring able to buy a home or have children 
They give more money to spend on cars/etc.

Economists call this phenomenon "doom spending" or "lifestyle
resignation," and it is driving a noticeable shift in consumer habits
across Australia
The Surry Hills 'Room with a Poo' 
<https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/06/toilet-kitchen-sydney-studio-apartment-rent-surry-hills-australia>
       https://tinyurl.com/azt28vy3   
Renters were expected to pay over $500 a week to essentially sleep,
cook, and use the bathroom in the exact same footprint.

The 'Micro-Studio' Explosion: In dense hubs like Potts Point and
Newtown, developers regularly market 18-to-24-square-metre spaces as
"premium minimalist living." 
In reality, these layouts force the resident to stand at the stove
while practically touching their bed, 
treating humans exactly like "cage hens" 
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20051

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Under Albanese labor gang wars have broken out

>> Corse there were never ever any gang wars before Albo, eh

>>> Kids are being hired as assassins by teachers

>> BULLSHIT

>>> https://youtu.be/3Vu4As-phm0?si=UojQcycVtyyob9y0
>>> School teacher accused of helping alleged gangland 'kill crew' | 9
>>> News Australia

>> Nothing to do with Albo, fuckwit

>>> Many of my neighbors are working two or more jobs

>> Nothing to do with Albo, fuckwit

> It's related to a busted economy

The economy isn't busted

> and getting worse under Albanese   Labor.

Bullshit it is

And what has happened with the cost of living
has nothing to do with the Labor govt

> Airservices offers triple pay to stop flight delays

More mindless bullshit and nothing to do with the Albo govt

> Living in and suburbs around Sydney Airport particularly if paying off
> home, raising children as well,Annual incomes need around $400,000
> nowadays ,

Complete and utter pig ignorant drivel

My mates that do that don't earn anything
like that, not even HALF that

> If one goes further out could maybe get by with a $200,000.

Don't need to do that either

> Not everyone can tap into tax payers money

They don't

> to fund a $100,000,000 high   speedmotorway to your Copacabana Mansion.

Its not a high speed motorway

> If Australians can't afford children

They can and do

> because incomes have fallen to   low

Just another of your pig ignorant fantasys

> why would the government think the mass   immigrants

There is no such thing

> will be able to   afford children?

My migrant mates have 4 kids are still pumping out more

> Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problemof not   enough  
> income earners that we are having now!

We don't have anything even remotely like that now

> Not seeing these mass-immigrants

There is no such thing

> buying houses now

3 familys of my migrant mates have ALL built fucking
great 4 bedroom 2 bathroom houses in the last few
years and NONE of the wives work and they STILL
keep going back to turkey every year for months

> but needing   accommodation.

<reams of your mindless repeated shit and lies flushed where it belongs>

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#20053

On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 12:46:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> Under Albanese labor gang wars have broken out
>
>>> Corse there were never ever any gang wars before Albo, eh
>
>>>> Kids are being hired as assassins by teachers
>
>>> BULLSHIT
>
>>>> https://youtu.be/3Vu4As-phm0?si=UojQcycVtyyob9y0
>>>> School teacher accused of helping alleged gangland 'kill crew' | 9
>>>> News Australia
>
>>> Nothing to do with Albo, fuckwit
>
>>>> Many of my neighbors are working two or more jobs
>
>>> Nothing to do with Albo, fuckwit
>
>> It's related to a busted economy
>
>The economy isn't busted
>
>> and getting worse under Albanese   Labor.
>
>Bullshit it is
>
>And what has happened with the cost of living
>has nothing to do with the Labor govt
>
>> Airservices offers triple pay to stop flight delays
>
>More mindless bullshit and nothing to do with the Albo govt
>
>> Living in and suburbs around Sydney Airport particularly if paying off
>> home, raising children as well,Annual incomes need around $400,000
>> nowadays ,
>
>Complete and utter pig ignorant drivel
>
>My mates that do that don't earn anything
>like that, not even HALF that
>
>> If one goes further out could maybe get by with a $200,000.
>
>Don't need to do that either
>
>> Not everyone can tap into tax payers money
>
>They don't
>
>> to fund a $100,000,000 high   speedmotorway to your Copacabana Mansion.
>
>Its not a high speed motorway
>
>> If Australians can't afford children
>
>They can and do
>
>> because incomes have fallen to   low
>
>Just another of your pig ignorant fantasys
>
>> why would the government think the mass   immigrants
>
>There is no such thing
>
>> will be able to   afford children?
>
>My migrant mates have 4 kids are still pumping out more
>
>> Still won't stop them aging either and increase a problemof not   enough  
>> income earners that we are having now!
>
>We don't have anything even remotely like that now
>
>> Not seeing these mass-immigrants
>
>There is no such thing
>
>> buying houses now
>
>3 familys of my migrant mates have ALL built fucking
>great 4 bedroom 2 bathroom houses in the last few
>years and NONE of the wives work and they STILL
>keep going back to turkey every year for months
>
>> but needing   accommodation.
>
><reams of your mindless repeated shit and lies flushed where it belongs>
>
Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious 
argumentative figure often labeled a troll.

So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows
nothing
Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

Rod Speed a annoying  Australian can type faster than you can talk
Best to ignore or he will continue to bait you
Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

When he starts short vulgar bursts just stop replying--
-- 
Petzl

Our Australian commonwealth has survived numerous recessions, one
major depression, and two world wars. 
Doubt if it will survive under a Albanese Labor Government.

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#20054

Some gutless drug crazed drunken
fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> desperately
attempted to bullshit its way out of a wet
paper bag and never fooled anyone, as always

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#20055

On Wed, 23 Sep 2026 17:51:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Some gutless drug crazed drunken
>fuckwit desperately cowering behind
>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> desperately
>attempted to bullshit its way out of a wet
>paper bag and never fooled anyone, as always
>
Rod Speed is also a lying turd

-- 
<https://www.perplexity.ai/search/rod-speed-usenet-troll-iBra.u6iSuy..0dwUJuvhQ#0>
     https://tinyurl.com/z5hh3shh  
Rod Speed is known in Usenet communities as a notorious 
argumentative figure often labeled a troll.

So says Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

Rod Speed a annoying  Australian can type faster than you can talk
Best to ignore or he will continue to bait you
Rod speed a egotistical self appointed know-all who knows nothing
Rod has been on newgroups since the 80's and still the same

When he starts short vulgar bursts just stop replying--

If you want to practice talking to his idiot responses Australia has a
bot to practice with or he white ants you overtime you post!
"The Rod Speed Bot"
https://www.sensationbot.com/jschat.php?db=rodspeed
 
ROD SPEED A SELF APPOINTED EGOTISTICAL KNOW-ALL WHO KNOWS NOTHING    
   JUST FULL OF
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IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ROD SPEED'S HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, 
HIS HEAD IS UP HIS OWN ARSE, ALWAYS FARTING EYLASHES!

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#20060

Some gutless drug crazed drunken
fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> desperately
attempted to bullshit its way out of a wet
paper bag and never fooled anyone, as always

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