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  Phone battery question. John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> - 2022-07-31 10:12 +1000
    Re: Phone battery question. Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2022-07-31 18:42 +1000
      Re: Phone battery question. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 05:00 +1000
        Re: Phone battery question. John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> - 2022-08-01 08:00 +1000
      Re: Phone battery question. John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> - 2022-08-01 07:54 +1000
    Re: Phone battery question. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 05:00 +1000
      Re: Phone battery question. John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> - 2022-08-01 07:54 +1000
    Re: Phone battery question. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-08-01 05:16 +1000
      Re: Phone battery question. John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> - 2022-08-01 07:54 +1000
        Re: Phone battery question. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-08-01 11:44 +1000
          Re: Phone battery question. John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> - 2022-08-02 08:24 +1000
            Re: Phone battery question. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 08:27 +1000
            Re: Phone battery question. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 15:34 -0700
              Re: Phone battery question. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-08-02 08:44 +1000
              Re: Phone battery question. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 09:25 +1000
              Re: Phone battery question. John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> - 2022-08-02 10:15 +1000
                Re: Phone battery question. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 01:51 -0700
                  Re: Phone battery question. John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> - 2022-08-03 08:45 +1000
                    Re: Phone battery question. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 16:51 -0700
                      Re: Phone battery question. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 17:09 -0700
                      Re: Phone battery question. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 14:30 +1000
        Re: Phone battery question. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-08-01 16:54 +1000
          Re: Phone battery question. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 00:04 -0700
            Re: Phone battery question. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 17:53 +1000
              Re: Phone battery question. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 05:22 -0700
                Re: Phone battery question. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 04:15 +1000
            Re: Phone battery question. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-08-01 19:44 +1000
              Re: Phone battery question. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 05:28 -0700
                Re: Phone battery question. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 04:20 +1000
      Re: Phone battery question. Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2022-08-01 22:08 +1000
    Re: Phone battery question. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-08-04 09:03 +0800

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#35599

On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 09:51:07 +1000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> John_H wrote:
> ============
>>>>
>> >> >Any NiCds you buy today are likely to be old stock - up to 10 years  
>> old.
>> >> Dunno about that, Wes still list Japanese nicad cells (Sanyo or
>> >> Panasonic) although that may cease at any time in the future.
>> >>
>> >> Not sure that age matters much either as they seem to last forever
>> >> until the first charge.
>> >
>> >** Absurd crap.
>> >
>> > NiCds do not usually have a long shelf life.
>> >They corrode and leak if allowed to go flat.
>> >Just like Alkaline cells do.
>>
>> Why don't the 10 year old ones leak?

> They fucking do !!

He clearly knows that his previous ones didn't.

> I have seen may items destroyed by leaking NiCds, including some of my  
> own.

Irrelevant to whether better designed ones don't.

> FYI  I do electronics repair for a living.

In fact you are a dole bludger.

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#35580

On 1/08/2022 7:54 am, John_H wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement).  The current
>>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>>>
>>> Which way should I go?
>>>
>>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>>>
>>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>>>
>>
>>
>> **If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
>> you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
>> requirements.
> 
> It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
> It's the differences in the charging systems that concern but I'm
> unsure as to whether it really matters.
> 

**It can matter. Use NiCads.


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#35581

Trevor Wilson wrote:
=================
> On 1/08/2022 7:54 am, John_H wrote: 
> > Trevor Wilson wrote: 
> >> On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote: 
> >>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone 
> >>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current 
> >>> options are nicad or Ni-MH. 
> >>> 
> >>> Which way should I go? 
> >>> 
> >>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last? 
> >>> 
> >>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile 
> >>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question. 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> **If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what 
> >> you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging 
> >> requirements. 
> > 
> > It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements. 
> > It's the differences in the charging systems that concern but I'm 
> > unsure as to whether it really matters. 
> >
> **It can matter. Use NiCads.
>

** Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world. 
  Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

 Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc. 



......   Phil

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#35582

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
> Trevor Wilson wrote
>> John_H wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote
>>>> John_H wrote

>> >>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>> >>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
>> >>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>> >>>
>> >>> Which way should I go?
>> >>>
>> >>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>> >>>
>> >>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>> >>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> **If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is  
>> what
>> >> you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
>> >> requirements.
>> >
>> > It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
>> > It's the differences in the charging systems that concern but I'm
>> > unsure as to whether it really matters.

>> It can matter. Use NiCads.

> Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.

Bullshit they are and they clearly aren't banned here and that's what  
matters.

> Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

>  Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

Irrelevant to what John should use.

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#35585

 Rod Speed Fuckwit Idiot wrote:
==========================

> >> It can matter. Use NiCads.
>
> > Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
> > Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment. 
>
> Bullshit they are and they clearly aren't banned here and that's what 
> matters.

** But we do not make them here and few companies make them at all now.
  New products do NOT use them, they are 100% OBSOLETE !!! 

> > Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

> Irrelevant to what John should use.

**  Massively relevant to finding any.



......   Phil 

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#35587

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>  Rod Speed wrote

>> >> It can matter. Use NiCads.

>> > Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
>> > Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

>> Bullshit they are and they clearly aren't banned here and that's what
>> matters.

> But we do not make them here

Irrelevant. The phone it is going into isn't made here either.

> and few companies make them at all now.

Irrelevant. Clearly someone still does.

> New products do NOT use them, they are 100% OBSOLETE !!!

So is the phone. If John wants to keep using that phone,
a NiCad battery is the only sensible thing to use.

>>> Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

>> Irrelevant to what John should use.

> Massively relevant to finding any.

He doesn't want one.

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#35583

On 1/08/2022 5:04 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
> =================
>> On 1/08/2022 7:54 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>>>>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement). The current
>>>>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which way should I go?
>>>>>
>>>>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>>>>>
>>>>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>>>>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what
>>>> you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging
>>>> requirements.
>>>
>>> It predates Ni-MH but both are cuurently available as replacements.
>>> It's the differences in the charging systems that concern but I'm
>>> unsure as to whether it really matters.
>>>
>> **It can matter. Use NiCads.
>>
> 
> ** Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.
>    Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.
> 
>   Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

**WES stock some of the best NiCads available (Sanyo). CDS cells are 
also available from a number of sources in Australia. The EU does some 
weird shit, like insisting on insane protection systems on relatively 
low powered amplifier speaker terminals. For large amps, it makes some 
sense, though I am unaware of anyone who has been killed by contacting 
speaker terminations. I suppose it could happen with a 1,000 Watt @ 8 
Ohm amplifier and a person with a weak heart and/or a secure connection 
to both terminals across the heart. Oh, and with the amplifier being 
driven by low frequency sine waves. Music is unlikely to cut it.



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#35586

 Trevor Wilson wrote: 
================= 
> 
> >> **It can matter. Use NiCads. 
> >> 
> > 
> > ** Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world. 
> > Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment. 
> > 
> > Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

> **WES stock some of the best NiCads available (Sanyo).

**  So fucking what ? 
FYI:

Sanyo AA NiCds do not work my Canon camera - at all. 
Any NiMH AA works just fine. 


 > CDS cells are also available from a number of sources in Australia.

**   So fucking what ? 

> The EU does some weird shit,

**  And controls at least half the world's marketplace.


........   Phil 

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#35588

Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote
>  Trevor Wilson wrote

>> >> It can matter. Use NiCads.

>>> Shame how they are banned from retail sale over most of the world.

>>> Cadmium is toxic and persistent in the environment.

>>> Even CdS photo cells are banned in the EU etc.

>> WES stock some of the best NiCads available (Sanyo).

> So fucking what ?

So those who need to maintain devices that were designed
to use NiCads can still get some of the best NiCads available.

> FYI:

> Sanyo AA NiCds do not work my Canon camera - at all.
> Any NiMH AA works just fine.

Irrelevant to what JOHN should use in his phone.

>> CDS cells are also available from a number of sources in Australia.

> So fucking what ?

So your shit about what the EU has stupidly done is irrelevant.

>> The EU does some weird shit,

> And controls at least half the world's marketplace.

But not ours, so who cares what those fools do.

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#35584

On 1/8/2022 5:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 31/07/2022 10:12 am, John_H wrote:
>> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
>> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement).  The current
>> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
>>
>> Which way should I go?
>>
>> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
>>
>> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
>> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
>>
> 
> 
> **If the 'phone was designed to use NiCad batteries, then that is what 
> you should use. NiCad and NiMh batteries have different charging 
> requirements.
> 
> 
Yes, that was my thought on the topic. Use the same as it had, can't go 
wrong.

-- 
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       (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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#35600

On 31/07/2022 8:12 am, John_H wrote:
> After 15 or so years the nicad battery in our 30y.o. portable phone
> has chucked it in (it's only ever had one replacement).  The current
> options are nicad or Ni-MH.
> 
> Which way should I go?
> 
> If Ni-MH how long is it likely to last?
> 
> I only get around 4 years between replacements with a Samsung mobile
> which presumably has a smart charger, hence the question.
> 

Go like for like. It will probably outlast the phone.

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it is unproven, he is lying."

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