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| Started by | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| First post | 2023-12-07 21:58 +1100 |
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OT: Pedestal fan purchase Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-12-07 21:58 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-07 22:05 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-12-07 22:54 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-07 22:58 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-12-08 06:17 +1000
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-12-08 11:03 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-08 04:09 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2023-12-08 07:03 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-12-08 08:11 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-12-08 07:26 +1000
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-08 10:59 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-12-08 11:06 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2023-12-08 10:56 +1000
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2023-12-08 13:21 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-09 04:58 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2023-12-08 12:26 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-08 15:03 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-12-08 16:18 +1000
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-12-08 21:43 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-12-09 09:25 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-09 19:15 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-09 04:55 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-09 11:48 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2023-12-09 13:05 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-09 19:18 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-09 19:19 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-09 19:18 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-09 19:19 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-10 04:45 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-10 12:47 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-10 19:14 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-10 19:30 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-12-10 21:52 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-10 22:22 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-11 04:54 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-12-08 11:07 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-08 12:12 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2023-12-08 15:46 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2023-12-08 19:34 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2023-12-08 20:20 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-12-08 16:23 +1000
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-09 04:59 +1100
Re: OT: Pedestal fan purchase "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2023-12-09 04:52 +1100
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-07 21:58 +1100 |
| Subject | OT: Pedestal fan purchase |
| Message-ID | <ktdmrjFk2vgU2@mid.individual.net> |
I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it. Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost, so we may see it in other models/brands. Something to watch out for. As it happened, a part was missing, and I was able to return it for a refund. Sylvia.
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| From | Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2023-12-07 22:05 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktdn78Fj3vpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35657 |
On 7/12/2023 9:58 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed
> that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a mains
> lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
Was that one of those remote controlled ones?
>
> Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost, so we may see it
> in other models/brands. Something to watch out for.
More like easy compliance with Aus electrical standards.
>
> As it happened, a part was missing, and I was able to return it for a
> refund.
Lucky!
>
> Sylvia.
>
--
Xeno
Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-07 22:54 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktdq3iFlff7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35658 |
On 07-Dec-23 10:05 pm, Xeno wrote: > On 7/12/2023 9:58 pm, Sylvia Else wrote: >> I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed >> that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a >> mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it. > > Was that one of those remote controlled ones? Yes, though that wasn't why I bought it. Sylvia.
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| From | Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2023-12-07 22:58 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktdqbuFj3vpU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35659 |
On 7/12/2023 10:54 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 07-Dec-23 10:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/12/2023 9:58 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I
>>> noticed that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead
>>> of a mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it.
>>
>> Was that one of those remote controlled ones?
>
> Yes, though that wasn't why I bought it.
> Sylvia.
I saw them in Bunnings recently. No mention of power brick on the box
that I could see. Would be off putting to me as well. Not that we need a
pedestal fan, we have ceiling fans all over the house.
--
Xeno
Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 06:17 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <65722849@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #35659 |
In aus.electronics Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: > On 07-Dec-23 10:05 pm, Xeno wrote: >> On 7/12/2023 9:58 pm, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed >>> that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a >>> mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it. >> >> Was that one of those remote controlled ones? > > Yes, though that wasn't why I bought it. Perhaps the speed is continuously variable instead of in fixed steps? Personally I prefer old-fashioned ones with a physical speed switch, but if people demand blinky lights and remote controls then this is what they'll get. Unfortunately there's far more to go wrong as a result, and probably far more power wasted too. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _# | Note: I won't see posts made from Google Groups |
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 11:03 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktf4qlF2it3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35663 |
On 08-Dec-23 7:17 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > In aus.electronics Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: >> On 07-Dec-23 10:05 pm, Xeno wrote: >>> On 7/12/2023 9:58 pm, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed >>>> that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a >>>> mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it. >>> >>> Was that one of those remote controlled ones? >> >> Yes, though that wasn't why I bought it. > > Perhaps the speed is continuously variable instead of in fixed > steps? Personally I prefer old-fashioned ones with a physical speed > switch, but if people demand blinky lights and remote controls > then this is what they'll get. Unfortunately there's far more to go > wrong as a result, and probably far more power wasted too. > The box claimed that the fan was more efficient. That could be true, because it appears that the typical split phase induction motor is not very efficient. However, we're talking about around 10 watts saving at most, so it's not something I would take into account when buying a fan. Sylvia.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 04:09 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <op.2fldygx2byq249@pvr2.lan> |
| In reply to | #35657 |
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote > I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed > that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a mains > lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it. > Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost, Can't see that. > so we may see it in other models/brands. > Something to watch out for. Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ? > As it happened, a part was missing, and I was able to return it for a > refund. You can with the best sellers if it turns out you don't like something about it.
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| From | Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 07:03 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktemolFtul8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35661 |
Rod Speed wrote: > Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote > >> I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I >> noticed that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead >> of a mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it. > >> Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost, > > Can't see that. > >> so we may see it in other models/brands. > >> Something to watch out for. > > Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ? that's what I was wondering > >> As it happened, a part was missing, and I was able to return it for a >> refund. > > You can with the best sellers if it turns out you don't like something > about it. -- Have a nice day!..
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 08:11 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <kteqo2FapsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35661 |
On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote: > Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote > >> I bought an Arlec pedestal fan yesterday. When I got it home I noticed >> that it claimed "DC motor technology". Turns out that instead of a >> mains lead, it has a plug-pack that connects to it. > >> Anyway, I assume their motive for this change is cost, > > Can't see that. > >> so we may see it in other models/brands. > >> Something to watch out for. > > Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ? > If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. Sylvia.
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| From | not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 07:26 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6572389d@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #35664 |
In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: > On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote: >>> Something to watch out for. >> >> Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ? > > If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the meer presence of a plugpack on a wall. I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, which a fan could often be used with. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _# | Note: I won't see posts made from Google Groups |
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| From | Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 10:59 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktf4jiF2ishU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35665 |
On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>> On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> Something to watch out for.
>>>
>>> Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
>>
>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
>
> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
>
> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
> which a fan could often be used with.
>
Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are
already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself
certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
--
Xeno
Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 11:06 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktf4vuF2it3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35666 |
On 08-Dec-23 10:59 am, Xeno wrote: > On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: >>> On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>> Something to watch out for. >>>> >>>> Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ? >>> >>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. >> >> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall. >> >> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >> which a fan could often be used with. >> > Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are > already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself > certified. Cheaping out is all it is. > > What puzzles me is how quickly the models change, which presumably means they have to be re-certified. Are consumers really so shallow that they'll refuse to buy something that was already available a year ago? Sylvia.
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| From | Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 10:56 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ktf7uhF2q3rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35668 |
On 8/12/2023 10:06 am, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 08-Dec-23 10:59 am, Xeno wrote: >> On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>>> Something to watch out for. >>>>> >>>>> Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ? >>>> >>>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. >>> >>> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall. >>> >>> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >>> which a fan could often be used with. >>> >> Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that >> are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan >> itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is. >> >> > > What puzzles me is how quickly the models change, which presumably means > they have to be re-certified. Perhaps after certifying the plug pack, the fan does not require certification since it is only a low voltage device not directly connected to the mains. Thus they can change the fan model at will. > Are consumers really so shallow that > they'll refuse to buy something that was already available a year ago? Oscar Wilde observed that fashion is a form of ugliness so extreme that it needs to be changed regularly > Sylvia.
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| From | Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 13:21 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <m5u4ni1spllimffh4saba301shjt7q04h7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #35668 |
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 11:06:22 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: >On 08-Dec-23 10:59 am, Xeno wrote: >> On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>>> Something to watch out for. >>>>> >>>>> Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ? >>>> >>>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. >>> >>> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall. >>> >>> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >>> which a fan could often be used with. >>> >> Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are >> already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself >> certified. Cheaping out is all it is. >> >> > >What puzzles me is how quickly the models change, which presumably means >they have to be re-certified. Are consumers really so shallow that >they'll refuse to buy something that was already available a year ago? > >Sylvia. Yes, they're pretty stoopid. And women shop until their husband's drop. I have a few pedestal fans acquired by gleaning the piles of stuff on the footpath, after the landlord has thrown out his tenant. I have numerous Objet d'art, mainly paintings that have suffered a like fate, all costing me $zilch. These cover the walls and even make the rooms look bigger. The fans service the TV room, the parlour, the maid's room, the music room, the dining room, the dressing room, the bedroom (2), and even the spare room! Fans are very useful because they evenly distribute the heat and cool fixing stratification. Ceiling fans are better, but the poor can't be choosey. I do have an old utility, a Toyota 98 model which helps in collections. A good friend of mine, now sadly departed this spendthrift world, refused to buy any appliance new, instead just turned over his old stuff when it broke down.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 04:58 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <op.2fnau1sobyq249@pvr2.lan> |
| In reply to | #35668 |
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote > Xeno wrote >> Computer Nerd Kev wrote >>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote >>>> Rod Speed wrote >>>>>> Something to watch out for. >>>>> >>>>> Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ? >>>> >>>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. >>> >>> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall. >>> >>> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >>> which a fan could often be used with. >>> >> Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that >> are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan >> itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is. > What puzzles me is how quickly the models change, which presumablymeans > they have to be re-certified. Are consumers really so shallow that > they'll refuse to buy something that was already available a year ago? That's not what its about.
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| From | Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 12:26 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktf9mjF3kedU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35666 |
Xeno wrote: > On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: >>> On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>> Something to watch out for. >>>> >>>> Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ? >>> >>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. >> >> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall. >> >> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >> which a fan could often be used with. >> > Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that > are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan > itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is. > > but they would have to remake the fan to run on DC, so false economy -- Have a nice day!..
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| From | Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 15:03 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktfit0F5njtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35672 |
On 8/12/2023 12:26 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 08-Dec-23 4:09 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> Something to watch out for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you assuming that it's a bad thing ?
>>>>
>>>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine.
>>>
>>> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan,
>>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the
>>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall.
>>>
>>> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though,
>>> which a fan could often be used with.
>>>
>> Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that
>> are already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan
>> itself certified. Cheaping out is all it is.
>>
>>
>
> but they would have to remake the fan to run on DC, so false economy
>
But they only have to design and make it *once* with *no 230V AC cert.
The wall wart will be certified by the maker they buy it from, again,
the fan co, needs no certification. All *redesigns* need no renewal of
certification.
--
Xeno
Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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| From | Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 16:18 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <6572b519@news.ausics.net> |
| In reply to | #35666 |
In aus.electronics Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: >>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. >> >> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall. >> >> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >> which a fan could often be used with. >> > Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are > already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself > certified. Cheaping out is all it is. Sure, my fans are all AC ones with chunky knobs to turn, so the idea of DC seems like extra complication to me wherever the PSU is. Besides the certification issue, plugpacks also allow them to use a cheap low-voltage cable running to the fan. -- __ __ #_ < |\| |< _# | Note: I won't see posts made from Google Groups |
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-08 21:43 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ktgaavFce78U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35676 |
On 08-Dec-23 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > In aus.electronics Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: >>>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. >>> >>> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall. >>> >>> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >>> which a fan could often be used with. >>> >> Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are >> already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself >> certified. Cheaping out is all it is. > > Sure, my fans are all AC ones with chunky knobs to turn, so the > idea of DC seems like extra complication to me wherever the PSU is. > > Besides the certification issue, plugpacks also allow them to use a > cheap low-voltage cable running to the fan. But the cable has to handle a higher current, and will use more metal, even if it uses less plastic. It's not clear that there's a saving there. Sylvia.
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| From | Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 09:25 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <kthje8FmslmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #35680 |
On 8/12/2023 9:43 pm, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 08-Dec-23 5:18 pm, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> In aus.electronics Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> On 8/12/2023 8:26 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>>> In aus.cars Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote: >>>>> If you like wall-warts everywhere, then fine. >>>> >>>> Huh. I can see a few reasons why I wouldn't like a DC pedestal fan, >>>> but I honestly never thought that anyone would be bothered by the >>>> meer presence of a plugpack on a wall. >>>> >>>> I suppose they can be awkward to use with extension lead though, >>>> which a fan could often be used with. >>>> >>> Wall Warts are a PITA. The company buys in a heap of wall warts that are >>> already Aus certified for 230V so they don't need to have the fan itself >>> certified. Cheaping out is all it is. >> >> Sure, my fans are all AC ones with chunky knobs to turn, so the >> idea of DC seems like extra complication to me wherever the PSU is. >> >> Besides the certification issue, plugpacks also allow them to use a >> cheap low-voltage cable running to the fan. > > But the cable has to handle a higher current, and will use more metal, > even if it uses less plastic. It's not clear that there's a saving there. > Could be to do with a Govt regulation somewhere that states that appliances must use less power, its that way in the automotive world, some of the changes that manufacturers make don't seem to make any sense at all until you look at the regulations they must comply with. -- Daryl
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