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  Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-26 17:03 +1000
    Re: Jaycar. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-05-26 18:51 +1000
      Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-27 05:01 +1000
        Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 08:27 +1000
        Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-27 11:49 +1000
        Re: Jaycar. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-05-27 13:23 +0800
          Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-27 16:30 +1000
            Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 21:19 +1000
              Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-28 16:05 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 04:54 +1000
                  Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-29 06:52 +1000
                    Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 07:31 +1000
                      Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-29 07:56 +1000
                        Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-28 15:28 -0700
                        Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 08:28 +1000
                        Re: Jaycar. "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2022-05-29 15:30 +1000
                    Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-29 11:29 +1000
                      Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-28 18:33 -0700
                        Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-29 15:48 +1000
                          Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 00:12 -0700
                            Re: Jaycar. Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2022-05-29 17:26 +1000
                              Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 02:07 -0700
                      Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-29 16:10 +1000
                        Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-29 19:28 +1000
                          Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-30 07:05 +1000
                  Re: Jaycar. Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2022-05-29 21:12 +1000
                    Re: Jaycar. Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2022-05-30 19:33 +1000
                      Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 19:49 +1000
                    Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 19:44 +1000
                      Re: Jaycar. Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2022-05-31 19:15 +1000
            Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 16:15 -0700
            Re: Jaycar. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-05-28 09:01 +0800
              Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 18:51 -0700
                Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-28 00:30 -0700
                  Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-28 18:11 +1000
                  Re: Jaycar. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-06-24 09:40 +0800
                    Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-06-23 20:03 -0700
      Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 08:25 +1000

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#35537

On 29/5/2022 5:12 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
>   Pommy keithr0 rabid lunatic wrote:
> =============================
> 
>>>
>>>>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of
>>>>> a few months is simply unforgivable.
>>>>
>>>> Have you not heard of the "Bathtub" curve of reliability?
>>>
>>> ** Massive, stupid irrelevance.
> 
>> Since ....
> 
> ** Fuck off you bullshitting pommy cunthead.
> 
That'd be an emphatic *NO* then.....
> 
>>>> Over a large number of components,
>>>
>>> ** How many parts are there in an AC plugpak ?
>>> The answer is one.
> 
>> The plugpack is the component you idiot.
> 
> **   Wot insane crap.
>   
> 
> 
> .......  Phil


-- 
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
       (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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#35538

 Xeno  =  ASD fucked retard 

=======================
>
>> Pommy keithr0 rabid lunatic wrote: 
> > ============================= 
> > 
> >>> 
> >>>>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of 
> >>>>> a few months is simply unforgivable. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Have you not heard of the "Bathtub" curve of reliability? 
> >>> 
> >>> ** Massive, stupid irrelevance. 
> > 
> >> Since .... 
> > 
> > ** Fuck off you bullshitting pommy cunthead. 
> >
> That'd be an emphatic *NO* then....
>

**  That would be another, steaming great dog turd straight out you fucking arse.

  



.....  Phil 

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#35535

On 29/05/2022 11:29 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 29/05/2022 6:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> 
>> **My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a 
>> project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 
>> 300ma plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they 
>> began failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% 
>> if the plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an 
>> Australian manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date 
>> (and it has been 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.
>>
>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period 
>> of a few months is simply unforgivable.
> 
> Have you not heard of the "Bathtub" curve of reliability? Over a large 
> number of components, the failure rate is high early on, then it falls 
> to a lower steady level rising again when the component reaches EOL. We 
> used to deal in 10s of thousands of hard disks, and the effect was very 
> noticeable.

**So, I take that you consider a 10% failure rate in the first half of 
your bathtub curve is acceptable?

I do not. It is completely unacceptable.

Back when I worked at Marantz, the Model 1070 was quite reliable and 
used several hundred individual components. The failure rate was 0.5% 
within the 3 year warranty period.

And, to underline the reliability thing, the device that the plugpack 
was used with consisted of a microprocessor, 2 line LCD display, a NiCad 
battery pack and a few dozen support components, including NiCad 
charger. Only one was returned for repair and that turned out to be a 
fault with the 128 strand, silicone wire leads that was connected to the 
outside world.

Yet, Jaycar plugpacks exhibited a 10% failure rate. Their replacement 
packs (which cost more) were made in Australia and have exhibited a far 
greater reliability.

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#35539

On 29/05/2022 4:10 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 29/05/2022 11:29 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 29/05/2022 6:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> **My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on 
>>> a project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 
>>> 300ma plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they 
>>> began failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 
>>> 10% if the plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an 
>>> Australian manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date 
>>> (and it has been 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.
>>>
>>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period 
>>> of a few months is simply unforgivable.
>>
>> Have you not heard of the "Bathtub" curve of reliability? Over a large 
>> number of components, the failure rate is high early on, then it falls 
>> to a lower steady level rising again when the component reaches EOL. 
>> We used to deal in 10s of thousands of hard disks, and the effect was 
>> very noticeable.
> 
> **So, I take that you consider a 10% failure rate in the first half of 
> your bathtub curve is acceptable?

Not good but I've seen such major issues with gear from well known 
manufacturers over the years.

> I do not. It is completely unacceptable.
> 
> Back when I worked at Marantz, the Model 1070 was quite reliable and 
> used several hundred individual components. The failure rate was 0.5% 
> within the 3 year warranty period.
> 
> And, to underline the reliability thing, the device that the plugpack 
> was used with consisted of a microprocessor, 2 line LCD display, a NiCad 
> battery pack and a few dozen support components, including NiCad 
> charger. Only one was returned for repair and that turned out to be a 
> fault with the 128 strand, silicone wire leads that was connected to the 
> outside world.

All that in a plugpack?

> Yet, Jaycar plugpacks exhibited a 10% failure rate. Their replacement 
> packs (which cost more) were made in Australia and have exhibited a far 
> greater reliability.

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#35541

On 29/05/2022 7:28 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 29/05/2022 4:10 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 29/05/2022 11:29 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 29/05/2022 6:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> **My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on 
>>>> a project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 
>>>> 300ma plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they 
>>>> began failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 
>>>> 10% if the plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an 
>>>> Australian manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date 
>>>> (and it has been 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.
>>>>
>>>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a 
>>>> period of a few months is simply unforgivable.
>>>
>>> Have you not heard of the "Bathtub" curve of reliability? Over a 
>>> large number of components, the failure rate is high early on, then 
>>> it falls to a lower steady level rising again when the component 
>>> reaches EOL. We used to deal in 10s of thousands of hard disks, and 
>>> the effect was very noticeable.
>>
>> **So, I take that you consider a 10% failure rate in the first half of 
>> your bathtub curve is acceptable?
> 
> Not good but I've seen such major issues with gear from well known 
> manufacturers over the years.

**Certainly, but we are talking about a plugpack and one that lacked any 
additional components, other than a transformer. They don't get much 
simpler.

> 
>> I do not. It is completely unacceptable.
>>
>> Back when I worked at Marantz, the Model 1070 was quite reliable and 
>> used several hundred individual components. The failure rate was 0.5% 
>> within the 3 year warranty period.
>>
>> And, to underline the reliability thing, the device that the plugpack 
>> was used with consisted of a microprocessor, 2 line LCD display, a 
>> NiCad battery pack and a few dozen support components, including NiCad 
>> charger. Only one was returned for repair and that turned out to be a 
>> fault with the 128 strand, silicone wire leads that was connected to 
>> the outside world.
> 
> All that in a plugpack?

**Huh? I stated that the plugpack was connected to a device. The device, 
itself, has been extremely reliable. In fact, I am unaware of any 
failures, but I'm confident some may have had failed NiCad battery packs 
by this time. IT is the Jaycar plugpack that was unreliable. Everything 
has been fine. That said, the company that engaged me to design the 
product is long gone, so I have no idea what has happened in the past 15 
~ 16 years.

My other point, lest it be forgotten, is that I engaged an Australian 
transformer manufacturer to construct AC output transformers for the 
device. Those transformers demonstrated vastly superior reliability.

> 
>> Yet, Jaycar plugpacks exhibited a 10% failure rate. Their replacement 
>> packs (which cost more) were made in Australia and have exhibited a 
>> far greater reliability.
> 

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#35540

Rod Speed wrote on 29/5/22 4:54 am:

<Snip>

> I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.

I volunteer at our local Salvos shop, where all money made goes back 
into the local community by way of helping out those in need.

We don't make a heap of money, even in the best of times a $2000 a week 
would have been a stretch, now with limited volunteers forcing limited 
opening hours, $500 a week is an extremely good week .... but we try!!

A couple of months ago, we had some (needy??) person/people break into 
the shop and take the $1500-$2000 that was being stored in the shop, 
awaiting the Salvos Minister to bank it!!

BASTARDS!!

Especially when you think that if the crooks had ASKED for assistance, 
they would have gotten it!!

So, now, I bring each days takings home with me and the Minister banks 
them every now and again!!
> 
> When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
> I couldn't put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
> the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
> else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
> in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
> convenient than no internet for a couple of days.
> 
>>>> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that 
>>>> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs 
>>>> were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase 
>>>> price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. 
>>>> One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with 
>>>> dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.
> 
>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
> 
>> Here's the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have 
>> been burned.
> 
> So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
> 
>>>>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>  Rubbish.
>>>>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something 
>>>>> and it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.
>>>
>>>> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up 
>>>> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home 
>>>> and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy 
>>>> from them.
> 
>>>  So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.
> 
>> My original what?
> 
> Claim/post etc.
> 
>>>> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come 
>>>> from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis 
>>>> are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis 
>>>> either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.
>>>  So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.
>>
>> **Duh.
>>
>>>
>>>>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful 
>>>>> and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock 
>>>>> orders and not charge additional freight.
>>>
>>>> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.
>>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
>>
>> Of course hobbyists care. They just don't understand why their project 
>> has blown up. They just assume that they've done something stupid, 
>> when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty 
>> components from Jaycar.
> 
> None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.


-- 
Daniel

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#35543

Daniel65 wrote on 29/5/22 9:12 pm:
> Rod Speed wrote on 29/5/22 4:54 am:
> 
> <Snip>
> 
>> I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
>> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
>> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
>> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.
> 
> I volunteer at our local Salvos shop, where all money made goes back 
> into the local community by way of helping out those in need.
> 
> We don't make a heap of money, even in the best of times a $2000 a week 
> would have been a stretch, now with limited volunteers forcing limited 
> opening hours, $500 a week is an extremely good week .... but we try!!
> 
> A couple of months ago, we had some (needy??) person/people break into 
> the shop and take the $1500-$2000 that was being stored in the shop, 
> awaiting the Salvos Minister to bank it!!
> 
> BASTARDS!!
> 
> Especially when you think that if the crooks had ASKED for assistance, 
> they would have gotten it!!
> 
> So, now, I bring each days takings home with me and the Minister banks 
> them every now and again!!

And, of course, I had forgotten to delete the unrequired 60-70 lines 
before I hit 'Send'! ;-(
-- 
Daniel

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#35546

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
> Daniel65 wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote <Snip>
>>
>>> I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
>>> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
>>> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
>>> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.
>>  I volunteer at our local Salvos shop, where all money made goes back  
>> into the local community by way of helping out those in need.
>>  We don't make a heap of money, even in the best of times a $2000 a  
>> week would have been a stretch, now with limited volunteers forcing  
>> limited opening hours, $500 a week is an extremely good week .... but  
>> we try!!
>>  A couple of months ago, we had some (needy??) person/people break into  
>> the shop and take the $1500-$2000 that was being stored in the shop,  
>> awaiting the Salvos Minister to bank it!!
>>  BASTARDS!!
>>  Especially when you think that if the crooks had ASKED for assistance,  
>> they would have gotten it!!
>>  So, now, I bring each days takings home with me and the Minister banks  
>> them every now and again!!
>
> And, of course, I had forgotten to delete the unrequired 60-70 lines  
> before I hit 'Send'! ;-(

That's why the death squad has its orders. Byeeee.

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#35545

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
>> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
>> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
>> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.

> I volunteer at our local Salvos shop, where all money made goes back  
> into the local community by way of helping out those in need.

I don't but I didn't bill them for the replacement surveillance
system or the plug pack and they still have my monitor.

> We don't make a heap of money, even in the best of times a $2000 a week  
> would have been a stretch, now with limited volunteers forcing limited  
> opening hours, $500 a week is an extremely good week .... but we try!!

> A couple of months ago, we had some (needy??) person/people break into  
> the shop and take the $1500-$2000 that was being stored in the shop,  
> awaiting the Salvos Minister to bank it!!

They dont have ministers, they have officers.

> BASTARDS!!

> Especially when you think that if the crooks had ASKED for assistance,  
> they would have gotten it!!

> So, now, I bring each days takings home with me and the Minister banks  
> them every now and again!!

>>  When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
>> I couldn't put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
>> the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
>> else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
>> in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
>> convenient than no internet for a couple of days.
>>
>>>>> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that  
>>>>> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs  
>>>>> were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase  
>>>>> price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times.  
>>>>> One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with  
>>>>> dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.
>>
>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>
>>> Here's the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have  
>>> been burned.
>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>
>>>>>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for  
>>>>>>> decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Rubbish.
>>>>>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something  
>>>>>> and it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.
>>>>
>>>>> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up  
>>>>> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home  
>>>>> and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy  
>>>>> from them.
>>
>>>>  So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.
>>
>>> My original what?
>>  Claim/post etc.
>>
>>>>> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come  
>>>>> from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis  
>>>>> are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis  
>>>>> either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are  
>>>>> rubbish.
>>>>  So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.
>>>
>>> **Duh.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful  
>>>>>> and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock  
>>>>>> orders and not charge additional freight.
>>>>
>>>>> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.
>>>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
>>>
>>> Of course hobbyists care. They just don't understand why their project  
>>> has blown up. They just assume that they've done something stupid,  
>>> when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty  
>>> components from Jaycar.
>>  None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.
>

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#35561

Rod Speed wrote on 30/5/22 7:44 pm:
> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
> 
>>> I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
>>> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
>>> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
>>> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.
> 
>> I volunteer at our local Salvos shop, where all money made goes back 
>> into the local community by way of helping out those in need.
> 
> I don't but I didn't bill them for the replacement surveillance
> system or the plug pack and they still have my monitor.
> 
>> We don't make a heap of money, even in the best of times a $2000 a 
>> week would have been a stretch, now with limited volunteers forcing 
>> limited opening hours, $500 a week is an extremely good week .... but 
>> we try!!
> 
>> A couple of months ago, we had some (needy??) person/people break into 
>> the shop and take the $1500-$2000 that was being stored in the shop, 
>> awaiting the Salvos Minister to bank it!!
> 
> They dont have ministers, they have officers.

Yes, you are quite correct!
-- 
Daniel

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#35519

Trevor Wilson wrote:
================
> >
> >> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic 
> >> components? 
> >> 
> > 
> > Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC) 
> > starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?
>>
> **Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components 
> that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught 
> selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn't come close to the 
> manufacturer's specs. 

** DSE had the same numbers with "TIC" branded parts in the 1980s. 
    Sold thousands of re-branded scrap transistors as being genuine - both in kits and over the counter. 
    Did it again in the 2000s with fake Motorola branded MJ15003/4 that were useless. 
    Rod Irving did the same and Jaycar was caught with hundreds of the same fakes. 
    WES had thousands of TO3 fakes in stock , maybe still do. 

   All were result of *reckless* purchasing practises and totally clueless staff. 
   Ebay is also flooded with fake TO3 and flat pack parts for audio. 


  BTW
 Don't buy Jarcar Digital Panel Meter  QP5585.
 They are rejects and fail completely in a few months. 


......   Phil 

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#35520

On 27/05/2022 2:30 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers 
>>>>> are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>>
>>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, 
>>>> the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the 
>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic 
>>> components?
>>>
>>
>> Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC) 
>> starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?
> 
> **Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components 
> that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught 
> selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn't come close to the 
> manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were 
> kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent 
> fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out, 
> when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours 
> chasing his tail.
> 
>>
>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Rubbish.
>>
>> Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something and 
>> it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.
> 
> **Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up 
> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and 
> if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy from them. 

That's why they exist.

> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from 
> an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are from 
> WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either. I was 
> caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.
> 

*None* of them are immune to sourcing and selling counterfeits so you 
really haven't made your point.

>>
>> We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and 
>> are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders 
>> and not charge additional freight.
>>
> 
> **Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up. I do.
> 

So source your parts from you ISO9001 suppliers and good luck but it 
doesn't change the fact Jaycar are handy for hobbyists, their target 
customers and everyone else who needs something urgently you included. 
So your "Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for 
decades." is absolutely rubbish.

You would do well to be less absolute. People who are so certain of 
themselves often overlook things... I've seen it in my trade often 
enough and they often end up costing the customer more in charged time 
than it should have...

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#35521

Clocky  =  Cockhead wrote:
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> >> 
> > 
> > **Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components 
> > that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught 
> > selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn't come close to the 
> > manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were 
> > kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent 
> > fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out, 
> > when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours 
> > ch
> >
> *None* of them are immune to sourcing and selling counterfeits 

**   False argument.

 Unlike Jaycar et alia, E14 and RS do not engage in reckless purchasing and can trace stock to factory sources. 


>  you  really haven't made your point.

** Whereas  YOU   *never*  had one at all. 

> > 
> > **Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up. I do. 
> >
> So source your parts from you ISO9001 suppliers and good luck but it 
> doesn't change the fact Jaycar are handy for hobbyists, their target 
> customers 

**  Whom they routinely piss on. 



.....   Phil 

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#35523

Phil Allison wrote:
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> > 
> > > **Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components 
> > > that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught 
> > > selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn't come close to the 
> > > manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were 
> > > kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent 
> > > fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out, 
> > > when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours 
> > > ch 
> > >
> > *None* of them are immune to sourcing and selling counterfeits
> ** False argument. 
> 
> Unlike Jaycar et alia, E14 and RS do not engage in reckless purchasing and can trace stock to factory sources.
>

** See recent vid on typical Sanken brand fakes from Ebay: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvyNIEGI-s

Even possible to buy fake electros too. 
22uF,  500V axials turned out to be old 400V radial caps removed and re packaged from used CFLs. 



..... Phil

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#35524

On 28/05/2022 5:30 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Phil Allison wrote:
> ==============
>>>
>>>> **Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
>>>> that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught
>>>> selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn't come close to the
>>>> manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were
>>>> kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent
>>>> fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out,
>>>> when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours
>>>> ch
>>>>
>>> *None* of them are immune to sourcing and selling counterfeits
>> ** False argument.
>>
>> Unlike Jaycar et alia, E14 and RS do not engage in reckless purchasing and can trace stock to factory sources.
>>
> 
> ** See recent vid on typical Sanken brand fakes from Ebay:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvyNIEGI-s
> 
> Even possible to buy fake electros too.
> 22uF,  500V axials turned out to be old 400V radial caps removed and re packaged from used CFLs.
> 
> 
> 
> ..... Phil

**YIKES!

Jaycar buyers will likely seek them out.

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#35565

On 28/05/2022 3:30 pm, Phil Allison wrote:
> Phil Allison wrote:
> ==============
>>>
>>>> **Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components
>>>> that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught
>>>> selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn't come close to the
>>>> manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were
>>>> kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent
>>>> fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out,
>>>> when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours
>>>> ch
>>>>
>>> *None* of them are immune to sourcing and selling counterfeits
>> ** False argument.
>>
>> Unlike Jaycar et alia, E14 and RS do not engage in reckless purchasing and can trace stock to factory sources.
>>
> 

That does not mean they are immune to purchasing and selling recovered 
and remarked or fake parts.

> ** See recent vid on typical Sanken brand fakes from Ebay:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvyNIEGI-s
> 

They are clearly faked or remarked used transistors, noticed that as 
soon as soon as I saw them - no need for testing.

> Even possible to buy fake electros too.
> 22uF,  500V axials turned out to be old 400V radial caps removed and re packaged from used CFLs.
> 
> 


You can buy fake anything. A lot of the chips on Ebay and Aliexpress 
aren't fakes perse but have been recovered, sanded and remarked.

I can understand why they might remark a chip where a certain revision 
or date of manufacture is more desirable but sometimes it's just generic 
stuff so it's hard to know why they bother.

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#35566

Clocky the Cockhead IDIOT wrote:

=================================
> 
> >> 
> >> Unlike Jaycar et alia, E14 and RS do not engage in reckless purchasing and can trace stock to factory sources. 
> >> 
> >
> That does not mean they are immune to purchasing and selling recovered 
> and remarked or fake parts.

**  It does actually  -  you lying,  POS   IDIOT. 


> > ** See recent vid on typical Sanken brand fakes from Ebay: 
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvyNIEGI-s 
> >
> They are clearly faked or remarked used transistors, 

**   No such thing is clear.

noticed that as 
> soon as soon as I saw them - no need for testing.

**  Testing is no proof of being genuine.


> You can buy fake anything.

**  I sure YOU can,  but not me. 

> A lot of the chips on Ebay and Aliexpress 
> aren't fakes perse but have been recovered, sanded and remarked. 

**  Prove it.
    FOAD idiot. 

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#35513

Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote
> keithr0 wrote

>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, andWesfarmers are   
>> looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, the  
> way they did with Dick Smith,

Those operations didn't do it to Dick Smith.

> and destroy its market in the process.

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