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Re: test only

From "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups aus.computers
Subject Re: test only
Date 2026-09-08 17:03 +1000
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Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> The original drafts of the Australian Constitution did not mention
> God; the phrase “humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God” was
> later added to the preamble of the Commonwealth of Australia
> Constitution Act, not to the Constitution’s operative text.

> Sir John Downer Kings Council, stated, when the Australian
> Constitution was finally adopted and on behalf of future generations,
> ‘Our Australian Commonwealth from its first stage will be a Christian
> Commonwealth’.

And S116 says the exact opposite, so what that stupid god
botherer who got rolled on that is completely irrelevant

> The word "Religion" only meant in his time dominations of Christianity

Complete and utter bullshit and ignorant lie

> The Feds are bared from stating what a religion is

That's what S116 says VERY clearly

> or is not only the   States can state that

They can't either most obviously with the law on tax exemptions

> The founding Christian culture

There was no such animal

> and language (monarch under God,   “Almighty God” clause,

There is no such clause

> Christian legal heritage)

No such animal

> are part of the   original meaning.

BULLSHIT

> Modern judicial readings that treat “any religion” as if the framers
> had a completely open, post?1960s pluralist concept of religion are
> effectively rewriting the Constitution without a referendum.

Nothing has been rewritten given S116

> Any genuine shift from “assumed Christian commonwealth”

Nothing is assumed

> to “legally   secular multicultural commonwealth”

Nothing has changed on that

> should be done openly by   referendum, not implicitly via case law.

Nothing has changed by case law given S116

> That is a coherent constitutional philosophy.

Bullshit given S116

> It’s just not the   philosophy the High Court has actually followed.

Bullshit given S116

> They’ve kept the   text,

They have observed S116

> used the Christian heritage as background,

Bullshit they have

> and then let modern
> legal interpretation move well beyond the framers’ social
> assumptions—

More complete and utter mindless bullshit given S116

> without going back to the people under s 128.

No need for that given S116

> The most famous example of this shift

There never was any shift

> occurred in the 1983 Scientology
> Case (Church of the New Faith v Commissioner of Pay-roll Tax).

> In that ruling, the High Court abandoned the traditional, narrower
> definitions of religion

There never was anything like that given
that always applied to plenty of other
religions, most obvously with judaism

> and adopted a vastly broader, modern
> definition that included any belief system involving a supernatural
> being, thing, or principle, combined with a code of conduct.

That's wrong too

> The Originalist/Constitutional View (My Argument): The Constitution
> belongs to the people.

Irrelevant to what the constitution spells out

> If the definition of a core concept like   "religion" changes

That never happened

> from an "assumed Christian culture"

That was never the case

> to a "secular   multicultural framework,"

That never happened either

> that change must be put to the Australian
> voters via a Section 128 Referendum.

Wrong, as always, given S116

> Allowing judges to expand definitions implicitly through case law

That never happened

> is   effectively bypassing the democratic process

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit

> and rewriting the   founding document

That never happened

> by judicial decree.

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit

> The "Living Force" View (The High Court's Path)

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit

> The High Court has generally treated the Constitution as a dynamic  
> instrument designed to endure for centuries.

That's bullshit too given S128

> Their legal philosophy argues that while the text remains fixed, the
> application of the words must adapt to the contemporary reality of the
> Australian population, otherwise the legal system would become
> unworkable in a modern world.

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit

> By choosing the latter path, the High Court has progressively moved
> Australia's legal framework far away from the framers' social
> assumptions.

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit

> To those who value the original rule of law,

Which has always included S116

> this shift

There is no such shift

> looks less like natural progression and more like a quiet, unvoted
> constitutional overhaul.

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit

> The Australia Act 1986: This landmark legislation completely severed
> Australia’s remaining constitutional ties to the UK parliament and
> abolished final legal appeals to the British Privy Council.

> Following this, legal experts and politicians argued that displaying
> British royal symbols in Australian courts was a constitutional
> anachronism.

Corse it is

> State Legislation (e.g., NSW State Arms Act 2004): States like New
> South Wales passed laws explicitly requiring the British Royal Arms to
> be stripped from courtrooms and parliaments and replaced with the NSW
> State Coat of Arms (or local state equivalents) to properly reflect
> local, independent sovereignty.

> Modern Separation of Powers
> In newer builds—such as the ACT Supreme Court—chief justices have
> intentionally left the walls behind the bench blank.

> The stated reason was a desire to develop crests that represent the
> judicial arm of government as a completely separate branch, rather
> than sitting under an emblem tied to executive state power or
> historical city insignia.

> To the traditionalist, this looks like the erosion of the historic
> "thread of sovereignty."

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit

> To the modern legalist, it is simply aligning
> the physical courtroom decor with the reality of contemporary
> Australian law.

Corse it is

> The Linguistic Correction: "Dieu et mon droit" translation correction
> is entirely historically and legally accurate, hitting on the precise
> nuance of Old Norman French versus modern translations.

> The motto on the British Royal Shield, "Dieu et mon droit", was the
> battle cry used by King Richard I (the Lionheart) at the Battle of
> Gisors in 1198.

> The Common Misconception: Modern popular culture and basic French
> translators frequently render it as a simple conjunction
> : "God and my right.
> "The Accurate Original Meaning: In the context of medieval divine
> right, it translates precisely to
>  "God is my legal right" (or "God is my law/justification").

More of your mindless pig ignorant bullshit

> The motto was used to assert that the King answered to no earthly
> authority, parliament, or rival monarch—his sovereignty was granted
> directly by God, making his rule his absolute legal right.

And we tossed that shit in the bin LONG ago

> The Complete Picture
> The gradual disappearance of the original British royal shield from
> Australian courtrooms directly matches the broader theme I have been
> discussing: the quiet, steady dismantling of Australia’s original
> founding architecture.

No such thing has happened

> When the British coat of arms is taken down, the phrase asserting a
> monarch's divine right under God ("Dieu et mon droit") vanishes with
> it. It is replaced either by native fauna (the kangaroo and emu on the
> Commonwealth arms) or by contemporary, minimalist design.

> Yes, the Royal Coat of Arms is still actively used and prominently
> displayed in the vast majority of courtrooms across the United Kingdom

Irrelevant to what happens here and that stupid line doesn't even apply  
there either

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