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  a "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 12:19 +1000
    Re: a Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-06-17 13:02 +1000
      Re: a "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-06-17 15:58 +1000
        Re: a Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-06-17 20:09 +1000
          Re: a "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 05:21 +1000
            Re: a Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-06-18 09:33 +1000
      Re: a keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2024-06-23 22:25 +1000
        Re: a David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2024-06-23 18:51 +0000
        Re: a Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> - 2024-06-24 14:01 +1000

#27433 — a

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2024-06-17 12:19 +1000
Subjecta
Message-ID<op.2phnfcmqbyq249@pvr2.lan>
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

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#27434

FromDaryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
Date2024-06-17 13:02 +1000
Message-ID<ld9n9oFhv9vU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#27433
On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934


The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll" 
incident sounds like a bigger problem.


-- 
Daryl

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#27435

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2024-06-17 15:58 +1000
Message-ID<op.2phxj4q2byq249@pvr2.lan>
In reply to#27434
Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

> The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,

Unless it was MCAS again

> the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.

Unless the first one was MCAS again

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#27436

FromDaryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
Date2024-06-17 20:09 +1000
Message-ID<ldagapFlpsjU5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#27435
On 17/6/2024 3:58 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
> 
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934
> 
>> The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,
> 
> Unless it was MCAS again
> 
>> the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.
> 
> Unless the first one was MCAS again

Anything is possible but this quote from the ABC article points to pilot 
error.

"During the go-around, the first officer "inadvertently pushed forward 
on the control column while following thrust lever movement commanded by 
the autothrottle," according to a June 7 memo seen by Reuters, and the 
plane began to descend rapidly hitting a maximum descent rate of about 
4,400 feet a minute."

-- 
Daryl

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#27437

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2024-06-18 05:21 +1000
Message-ID<op.2piyp6v9byq249@pvr2.lan>
In reply to#27436
Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934

>>> The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,

>>  Unless it was MCAS again

>>> the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.

>>  Unless the first one was MCAS again

> Anything is possible but this quote from the ABC article points to pilot  
> error.

But its far from clear how accurate that is given
that there has not been a full investigation yet
and its only what some journo is claiming.

And it begs the question why he would do that.

> "During the go-around, the first officer "inadvertently pushed forward  
> on the control column while following thrust lever movement commanded by  
> the autothrottle," according to a June 7 memo seen by Reuters, and the  
> plane began to descend rapidly hitting a maximum descent rate of about  
> 4,400 feet a minute."

And far from clear why he wouldnt have corrected that.

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#27438

FromDaryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
Date2024-06-18 09:33 +1000
Message-ID<ldbvemFsthhU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#27437
On 18/6/2024 5:21 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
> 
>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934
> 
>>>> The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error,
> 
>>>  Unless it was MCAS again
> 
>>>> the "dutch roll" incident sounds like a bigger problem.
> 
>>>  Unless the first one was MCAS again
> 
>> Anything is possible but this quote from the ABC article points to 
>> pilot error.
> 
> But its far from clear how accurate that is given
> that there has not been a full investigation yet
> and its only what some journo is claiming.
> 
> And it begs the question why he would do that.
> 
>> "During the go-around, the first officer "inadvertently pushed forward 
>> on the control column while following thrust lever movement commanded 
>> by the autothrottle," according to a June 7 memo seen by Reuters, and 
>> the plane began to descend rapidly hitting a maximum descent rate of 
>> about 4,400 feet a minute."
> 
> And far from clear why he wouldnt have corrected that.


It does seem like a very strange thing to happen if it was allegedly 
induced by one of the pilots, the investigation will be interesting.


-- 
Daryl

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#27439

Fromkeithr0 <user@account.invalid>
Date2024-06-23 22:25 +1000
Message-ID<ldqiigF50foU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#27434
On 17/06/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934
> 
> 
> The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll" 
> incident sounds like a bigger problem.
> 
> 
"Dutch roll" is a characteristic of all swept wing aircraft, they either 
have a dutch roll damper or it is done by the auto-pilot.

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#27440

FromDavid Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com>
Date2024-06-23 18:51 +0000
Message-ID<v59qs8$l2m$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#27439
keithr0 <user@account.invalid> writes:

>On 17/06/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934
>> 
>> 
>> The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll" 
>> incident sounds like a bigger problem.
>> 
>> 
>"Dutch roll" is a characteristic of all swept wing aircraft, they either 
>have a dutch roll damper or it is done by the auto-pilot.

The followup reports the rudder PDU was RIPPED from its mounting.
-- 
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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#27441

FromDaryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
Date2024-06-24 14:01 +1000
Message-ID<lds9cnFcrr2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#27439
On 23/6/2024 10:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/06/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 17/6/2024 12:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/boeing-737-max-drops-to-metres-above-ocean/103985934
>>
>>
>> The "dropping" incident sounds like pilot error, the "dutch roll" 
>> incident sounds like a bigger problem.
>>
>>
> "Dutch roll" is a characteristic of all swept wing aircraft, they either 
> have a dutch roll damper or it is done by the auto-pilot.

I was referring to what they found after they landed and carried out an 
investigation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjdveYYBOJE&t=569s

-- 
Daryl

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