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Retronym?

Started by"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net>
First post2026-07-18 20:11 +0000
Last post2026-07-27 12:56 +0200
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  Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-18 20:11 +0000
    Re: Retronym? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-18 20:36 +0000
    Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:49 -0400
    Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-18 16:00 -0700
      Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 02:18 +0000
        Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 10:16 +0100
          Re: Retronym? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-19 14:01 +0200
            Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 08:05 -0400
              Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 22:09 -0400
                Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:41 +0000
            Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0100
              Re: Retronym? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-19 08:59 -0400
                Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:53 +0000
              Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 15:09 +0200
              Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0000
                Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 19:36 +0200
              Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 22:10 -0400
          Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0100
          Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 15:47 +0200
            Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 16:47 +0100
              Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 19:39 +0200
            Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-19 20:41 +0100
              Re: Retronym? kfl@panix.com (Keith F. Lynch) - 2026-07-19 20:22 +0000
                Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-20 12:51 +0100
              Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:55 +0000
              Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 11:27 +0200
                Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:42 +0000
                  Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:41 +0200
                    Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:04 +0000
                      Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:25 +0000
                      Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                        Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:38 +0200
                          Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 08:03 +0100
                            Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 08:36 +0200
                              Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 10:27 +0100
                          Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
                        Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 19:07 +0000
                          Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
                            Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 08:53 +0200
                              Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-22 17:05 +1000
                                Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 10:09 +0100
                                  Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-22 20:40 +1000
                                  Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-26 23:11 +0200
                                    Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0100
                                      Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-27 10:33 +1000
                                        Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-28 13:00 +0100
                                      Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-27 09:05 +0200
                                      Re: Retronym? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-27 10:57 +0100
                                        Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:05 +0200
                                          Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 19:23 +0000
                                            Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:17 +0100
                                              Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-29 21:46 +1200
                                                Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 06:30 +0530
                                                  Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-30 17:33 +1200
                                                    Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 18:07 +0530
                                                    Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-30 13:55 +0100
                                            Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 23:34 +0200
                                              Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 06:39 +0530
                                          Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-29 13:48 +1200
                                      Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:05 +0200
                              Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 15:06 +0000
                                Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 15:50 +0000
                                  Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 16:26 +1000
                                Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-22 13:11 -0400
                                Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 11:39 -0700
                                  Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 16:52 +1000
                                    Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-24 16:28 +0100
                                      Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 10:02 +1000
                                  Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 23:43 +0200
                                Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 06:25 +0100
            Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 12:52 -0700
        Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-19 07:50 -0400
        Re: Retronym? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-19 08:55 -0400
          Re: Retronym? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-19 19:59 +0000
            Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:00 +0000
              Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
                Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-20 15:22 -0400
            Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 13:29 +1000
        Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-19 11:52 -0700
          Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:58 +0000
            Re: Retronym? kfl@panix.com (Keith F. Lynch) - 2026-07-20 01:56 +0000
              Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 19:23 -0700
                Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
                  Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 06:37 -0700
                    Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:58 -0400
                      Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:18 +0000
                        Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:58 +0000
              Re: Retronym? prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-07-20 16:30 +0100
                Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:19 +0000
                  Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:56 +0000
                  Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
                    Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:54 +0000
                    Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 12:01 +0000
                      Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-21 13:28 +0100
                        Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 18:57 +0000
                          Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 12:57 -0700
                            Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 12:59 -0700
                              Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:42 +0200
                                Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-22 20:10 +0100
                                  Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 21:23 +0000
                                    Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                                  Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                          Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 07:31 +0000
                            Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 17:12 +0000
                              Re: Retronym? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-22 20:14 +0200
                                Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 21:48 +0000
                                  Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 06:43 +0100
                          Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-22 12:23 +0100
                          Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
            Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-20 14:46 -0400
              Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:37 -0700
                Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 09:07 +0200
                Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
              Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:48 +0200
                Re: Retronym? "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-21 11:59 +0200
                  Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 09:21 +0200
                    Re: Retronym? "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-23 00:36 +0200
                      Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:52 +0200
                        Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
                    Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:58 +0000
                      Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:55 +0200
                        Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:47 +0000
                          Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-23 00:19 -0700
                            Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 23:20 +0000
                            Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-24 06:44 +0200
                              Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-24 07:13 +0000
                                Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-24 15:54 +0200
                                  Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:15 +0000
                                    Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-25 17:26 +0200
                                      Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 13:28 -0400
                                        Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:45 +0000
                                        Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-26 15:30 +0200
                                      Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:41 +0000
                                        Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:21 -0400
                                          Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:58 -0400
                                            Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 02:38 +0000
                                          Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 02:37 +0000
                                            Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 12:34 -0400
                                              Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:14 +0000
                                                Re: Retronym? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 20:58 +0100
                                                  Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 02:58 +0000
                                                    Re: Retronym? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-08-04 05:01 +0000
                                                      Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 06:45 +0000
                                                      Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-04 16:53 +1000
                                                        Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 08:35 +0000
                                                        Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-04 10:49 -0700
                                                          Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:41 +0000
                                                        Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-04 20:29 -0400
                                                          Re: Retronym? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 01:50 -0300
                                                    Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-04 10:45 -0700
                                                      Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:43 +0000
                                                        Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 07:01 -0400
                                                          Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-05 11:42 -0700
                                                          Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0000
                                                    Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-04 20:27 -0400
                                                  Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-04 14:34 +1000
                                                  Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 09:22 +0100
                                                    Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 08:40 +0000
                                                      Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 10:43 +0100
                                                        Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:09 +0100
                                                      Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 22:13 +0000
                                              Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 05:01 +0200
                                    Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-25 13:32 -0400
                              Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-24 19:31 -0700
                          Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 13:52 +0200
                            Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 08:25 -0400
                              Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 23:16 +1000
                                Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 14:20 -0400
                                  Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-23 19:19 +0000
                                    Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:51 +0000
                                      Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:17 +0000
                Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:30 +0000
                  Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-21 21:49 -0400
                Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-22 12:21 +0100
                  Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:01 +0000
                    Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-23 00:36 +0000
                  Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 17:16 +1000
                    Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 10:10 +0200
                      Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-23 09:44 -0400
                      Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-23 20:55 +0100
          Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:06 +0200
            Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 11:20 -0400
              Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:53 +0000
            Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:16 +0000
      Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-19 18:37 +1200
      Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-19 09:47 +0000
        Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-19 12:04 -0700
        Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-19 19:47 +0000
          Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-20 09:27 +0000
            Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-20 19:38 +0000
          Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:10 +0200
      Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
    Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 06:10 +0200
      Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 08:11 +0000
        Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
          Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-19 07:51 -0400
            Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 21:54 +0200
          Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 20:34 +0000
            Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 23:32 +0200
              Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-19 19:44 -0400
                Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:48 +0000
              Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:47 +0000
                Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
                  Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 06:38 -0400
                    Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 11:07 +0000
                      Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 07:20 -0400
                        Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:33 +0000
                          Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-20 11:31 -0400
                            Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
                          Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-20 12:50 -0700
                            Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 23:02 +0000
                              Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-21 07:43 +0000
                                Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:31 +0000
                                  Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-21 21:50 -0400
                                  Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-22 07:55 +0000
                                    Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:02 +0000
                                      Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-23 07:29 +0000
                                        Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 23:23 +0000
                                          Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:56 +0000
                                            Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:20 +0000
                                              Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-25 07:38 +0000
                                                Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:47 +0000
                                                  Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 20:59 -0400
                                                    Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:34 -0400
                                                      Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:59 -0400
                                                        Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 00:00 -0400
                                                          Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 05:43 +0000
                                                    Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-26 11:54 +1000
                                                      Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-26 07:55 +0000
                                                        Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:18 +0000
                                                          Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 19:39 -0400
                                                            Re: Retronym? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2026-07-26 23:44 +0000
                                                  Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 08:17 -0400
                                                    Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 08:55 -0400
                                                      Re: Tomato Plants ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-26 14:02 +0000
                                                        Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:47 +0000
                                                      Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 10:35 -0400
                                                        Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 10:55 -0400
                                                          Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 11:01 -0400
                                                            Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 11:36 -0400
                                                              Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 19:31 -0400
                                                                Re: Tomato Plants djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-27 06:24 +0000
                                                                  Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 08:11 -0400
                                                                    Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 14:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: Tomato Plants Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 13:06 -0400
                                                                      Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:25 +0000
                                                                        Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 03:12 +0000
                                                                          Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 00:21 -0400
                                                                          Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 08:10 -0400
                                                                            Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 08:46 -0400
                                                                            Re: Tomato Plants Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-28 14:49 +0100
                                                                              Re: Tomato Plants Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-28 23:17 +0200
                                                                                Re: Tomato Plants wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-28 22:36 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 21:14 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Tomato Plants Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 11:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: Tomato Plants Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:10 +0200
                                                                            Re: Tomato Plants Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-28 20:33 +0200
                                                                              Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 17:08 -0400
                                                                                Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:47 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Tomato Plants djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-29 02:19 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Tomato Plants Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-29 17:55 +1000
                                                                                    Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 17:22 -0400
                                                                                      Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 19:59 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 20:17 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 00:37 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 20:48 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 00:54 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 21:49 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 04:39 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:49 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 19:20 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 22:04 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 23:31 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-30 19:02 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-30 22:03 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-31 04:44 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-31 16:46 +1000
                                                                                                            Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-31 08:09 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 13:04 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:27 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:29 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 23:38 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 19:26 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-31 23:48 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:10 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:50 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 21:15 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 20:40 -0400
                                                                                                                            Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-04 15:42 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-05 09:16 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 13:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 15:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 18:05 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-08-05 16:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 18:23 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:42 +1000
                                                                                                                              Re: Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 22:52 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-03 13:05 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:22 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:52 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:08 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 10:43 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-01 16:05 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 12:04 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 15:38 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:05 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 09:40 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 10:24 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 18:23 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 13:29 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:57 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 16:33 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 21:53 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 09:27 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:14 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-01 01:00 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:54 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:47 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:14 +1000
                                                                                                                Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-02 00:57 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 13:03 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 19:31 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 15:38 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-08-01 00:56 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:17 +0200
                                                                                                                Death Row Exonerations "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 06:52 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Death Row Exonerations "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 11:43 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Death Row Exonerations Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:23 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Death Row Exonerations Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-02 05:50 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 06:01 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:23 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 22:15 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:29 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-31 18:59 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 19:17 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:23 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                                                                        Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 20:13 -0400
                                                                        Re: Tomato Plants Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-28 07:32 +0200
                                                                    Re: Tomato Plants Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:10 +0100
                                                                  Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-27 09:33 -0400
                                                            Re: Tomato Plants Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 12:43 -0400
                                                            Re: Tomato Plants Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-26 12:59 -0700
                                                          Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:17 +0000
                                                            Re: Tomato Plants liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-27 10:57 +0100
                                                              Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:21 +0000
                                                                Re: Tomato Plants liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 09:21 +0100
                                                      Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
                                                    Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 10:35 +0000
                                                      Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
                                                        Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 19:57 +0000
                                                          Suing News Organizations "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 16:27 -0400
                                                          Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 23:34 +0200
                                                            Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:28 -0400
                                                              Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-29 11:15 +1000
                                                              Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-29 11:35 +0200
                                                                Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:49 -0400
                        Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 23:01 +0000
                          Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-21 09:19 +1000
                            Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 19:33 -0400
        Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 07:03 -0400
        Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 15:56 +0200
          Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 21:54 +0200
            Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-19 19:46 -0400
              Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-21 07:56 +0000
            Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:15 +0200
              Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
                Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:33 +0000
                  Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                    Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:04 +0000
                      Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                        Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-23 05:21 -0700
                        Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-24 01:19 +0000
                          Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-24 18:03 -0400
    Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 04:58 +0000
      Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-19 19:49 +0000
        Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 23:07 +0200
        Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:49 +0000
    Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 01:13 +0000
      Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 21:30 -0400
        Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-27 02:20 +0000
          Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 05:24 +0200
          Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 05:38 +0000
            Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
              Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-27 10:37 +0000
            Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 12:52 +0200
              Re: Calendars Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-07-27 21:39 -0400
              Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:29 +0000
                Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 10:29 +0200
                  Re: Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 06:44 -0400
                    Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-28 20:35 +0200
                  Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 18:05 +0000
          Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
            Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-27 20:36 +1000
              Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-27 09:34 -0400
                Re: Calendars athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 14:05 +0000
              Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-28 10:55 +1000
                Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 13:59 +0200
                  Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:44 +0000
                    Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 19:12 -0400
                      Prophecy "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:39 -0400
              Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:28 +0000
                Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 18:12 +0000
                  Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:46 +0000
              Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-31 23:53 +0000
                Re: Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:05 -0400
                  Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 11:13 +1000
                    Genealogy of Joseph "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 06:47 -0400
                      Re: Genealogy of Joseph Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 21:08 +1000
                      Re: Genealogy of Joseph prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-08-01 12:34 +0100
                        Re: Genealogy of Joseph kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:56 -0400
                          Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 16:07 +0000
                            Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 12:26 -0400
                              Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 20:57 +0000
                    Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-01 13:08 +0000
                  Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:31 +0000
                Re: Calendars Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-08-01 07:25 +0000
                  Re: Calendars Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-08-01 07:31 +0000
                Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:30 +0000
                  Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 11:41 +0200
                    Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 12:28 +0200
                    Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-03 05:45 +0000
                      Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 15:30 +0200
                        Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:21 +0200
                  Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 11:45 +0200
                  Re: Calendars Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-02 12:41 -0700
                    Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-02 19:49 +0000
                      Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:59 +0200
                        Re: Calendars "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-02 22:07 +0100
                          Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
                      Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 22:03 +0200
                      Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-02 16:40 -0400
                        Re: Calendars "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-02 22:09 +0100
                          Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
                    Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-03 05:47 +0000
                      Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-03 16:04 +1000
            Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 12:56 +0200

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#1148239

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-04 02:58 +0000
Message-ID<114rkhh$1qqv0$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148231
On Mon, 03 Aug 2026 20:58:59 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

> Do you believe in God?

Do Goddists themselves believe in god?

Each goddist religion says their god is the only true god, all other
gods are false.

They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right on
the second.

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#1148243

Fromdjheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Date2026-08-04 05:01 +0000
Message-ID<tJ8BAt.20F4@kithrup.com>
In reply to#1148239
In article <114rkhh$1qqv0$2@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence DÿOliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Aug 2026 20:58:59 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
>Do Goddists themselves believe in god?
>
>Each goddist religion says their god is the only true god, all other
>gods are false.

[Hal Heydt]
So...  You are restricting the field of discourse to monotheist
religions.  Any reason for doing that?

>They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right on
>the second.

Agreed.

All of this overlooks the initial problem of defining the
characteristics of the god or gods.

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#1148248

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-04 06:45 +0000
Message-ID<114s1pu$1ub0p$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148243
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 05:01:41 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> In article <114rkhh$1qqv0$2@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence DÿOliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Do Goddists themselves believe in god?
>>
>> Each goddist religion says their god is the only true god, all
>> other gods are false.
>
> So... You are restricting the field of discourse to monotheist
> religions.

You really think that, on Usenet, I (or anyone else) can “restrict”
anybody from talking about whatever the hell they like?

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#1148249

FromPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Date2026-08-04 16:53 +1000
Message-ID<114s29r$1uho7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148243
On 04/08/26 15:01, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

> All of this overlooks the initial problem of defining the
> characteristics of the god or gods.

One thing that's clear is that the older gods were more powerful than
modern gods. For example, Joshua's god was able to stop the sun in its
path. That was only possible because the earth was the centre of the
universe. Any such attempt would be catastrophic after the heliocentric
universe was invented.

But miracles were very common back then. Now, a miracle can happen only
if no trained observers are present.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1148251

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-04 08:35 +0000
Message-ID<114s893$201vu$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148249
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 16:53:43 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:

> One thing that's clear is that the older gods were more powerful
> than modern gods. For example, Joshua's god was able to stop the sun
> in its path. That was only possible because the earth was the centre
> of the universe. Any such attempt would be catastrophic after the
> heliocentric universe was invented.
>
> But miracles were very common back then. Now, a miracle can happen
> only if no trained observers are present.

Of course I immediately thought of this “Russell’s Teapot” strip:
<https://imgur.com/PHTl6>.

The whole collection
<https://imgur.com/a/russells-teapot-comics-FWkCB#0> has some very
pointed observations on religion in general, and Christianity in
particular.

I was thinking about what the definition of “miracle” must be: an
obvious one would be “some phenomenon that is contrary to the laws of
science”. But I feel that’s not strong enough. Because scientists are
quite wily folk, and are quite capable of coming up with some theory
in future that shows that some past “miracle” wasn’t a miracle at all,
just some hitherto-unknown natural phenomenon.

To guard against this, the definition of “miracle” must rule out any
potential future invalidation of the miraculousness of the miracle. So
it needs to be more like “some phenomenon that is contrary to the laws
of science, not just as they are known now, but also in any way that
they could be possibly be discovered to be in the future”.

Of course, this “strong” definition of a miracle leads to some
interesting logical conclusions ...

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#1148261

FromTim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com>
Date2026-08-04 10:49 -0700
Message-ID<114t8n5$2btb7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148249
On 8/3/2026 11:53 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 04/08/26 15:01, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> 
>> All of this overlooks the initial problem of defining the
>> characteristics of the god or gods.
> 
> One thing that's clear is that the older gods were more powerful than
> modern gods. For example, Joshua's god was able to stop the sun in its
> path. That was only possible because the earth was the centre of the
> universe. Any such attempt would be catastrophic after the heliocentric
> universe was invented.
> 
> But miracles were very common back then. Now, a miracle can happen only
> if no trained observers are present.
> 

I will point out that most, if not all, of those stories were told 
generations after the alleged events described.

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#1148267

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-05 00:41 +0000
Message-ID<114u0rd$2iv3s$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148261
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 10:49:22 -0700, Tim Merrigan wrote:

> On 8/3/2026 11:53 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>> But miracles were very common back then. Now, a miracle can happen
>> only if no trained observers are present.
>
> I will point out that most, if not all, of those stories were told
> generations after the alleged events described.

Yes, but the validity of the stories in the holy books is considered
beyond question, for some reason. “Centuries of misguided believers
can’t be wrong” ...?

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#1148266

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2026-08-04 20:29 -0400
Message-ID<114u05r$mfd$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#1148249
Peter Moylan  <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>
>But miracles were very common back then. Now, a miracle can happen only
>if no trained observers are present.

Miracles happen every day.  It's tomato season.
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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#1148394

FromMike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
Date2026-08-07 01:50 -0300
Message-ID<87mruyttyz.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere>
In reply to#1148266
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:

> Peter Moylan  <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>
>> But miracles were very common back then. Now, a miracle can happen only
>> if no trained observers are present.
> 
> Miracles happen every day.  It's tomato season.

So it is. The unidentified disease that's been trashing my tomatoes
just after the first round of green tomatoes is ready to ripen has
reappeared but is very slow to get traction this year, green tomatoes
are abundant on robust plants and we may have the first year of great
tomato harvest in a decade.  But that's not a miracle.

Here's a yarn.

Over 50 years ago we'd spent a year, lots of time, considerable cash,
difficult winter travel, tedious correspondence with government
agencies, purchasing real estate etc. in preparation for a major life
change.

I was driving an old VW microbus from friends' house in the boonies to
where we were crashing in anticipation of the big changes.  When I
arrived "home" where we were crashing, I found that a sizable
bundle of documents -- everything needed to complete the upcoming
major changes -- was missing.  I immediately realized that when, on a
long steep upgrade 20 or so miles away, I had opened a rattling door
and slammed it tight, the bundle must have fallen out.

So of course I set off in a panic, despite winter roads, to try to
recover the bundle.  It began to snow again.

Arrived at the top of the right hill without incident, creeping down
the grade in the falling snow, I spotted a snow-covered lump
in the road.  Stopped, brushed off the snow, recovered the document
bundle intact and unharmed as the fresh snow was very dry and cold.

Made a U-turn and encountered the county snow plough coming down the
grade in the lane where the bundle had been lying.

If I'd been 3 or 4 minutes later in reaching the recovery spot, I
would have been following the plough down the grade, our documents
would have been ploughed into the roadside snow bank and lost forever,
a year's planning and efforts lost.  As it was, everything proceded
flawlessly, the major changes were accomplished by April and here we
are still.

It's probably an indicator of my successful recovery from my
upbringing that I didn't immediately think of this happy occasion as a
supernatural miracle.  But in the vernacular usage, it was quite
miraculous.


-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#1148260

FromTim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com>
Date2026-08-04 10:45 -0700
Message-ID<114t8g3$2bo5o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148239
On 8/3/2026 7:58 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Aug 2026 20:58:59 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
> 
>> Do you believe in God?
> 
> Do Goddists themselves believe in god?
> 
> Each goddist religion says their god is the only true god, all other
> gods are false.
> 
> They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right on
> the second.

You're only talking about monotheists.

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#1148268

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-05 00:43 +0000
Message-ID<114u0vh$2iv3s$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148260
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 10:45:38 -0700, Tim Merrigan wrote:

> On 8/3/2026 7:58 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2026 20:58:59 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
>>
>>> Do you believe in God?
>>
>> Do Goddists themselves believe in god?
>>
>> Each goddist religion says their god is the only true god, all
>> other gods are false.
>>
>> They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right
>> on the second.
>
> You're only talking about monotheists.

You would hope so. But I’m sorry to say, I see some elements of “my
religious belief is morally superior to yours” start to infect even
adherents of Hinduism and Buddhism, in certain parts of the world.

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#1148278

From"Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com>
Date2026-08-05 07:01 -0400
Message-ID<114v56i$2tdop$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148268
On 8/4/26 20:43, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 10:45:38 -0700, Tim Merrigan wrote:
> 
>> On 8/3/2026 7:58 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2026 20:58:59 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you believe in God?
>>>
>>> Do Goddists themselves believe in god?
>>>
>>> Each goddist religion says their god is the only true god, all
>>> other gods are false.
>>>
>>> They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right
>>> on the second.
>>
>> You're only talking about monotheists.
> 
> You would hope so. But I’m sorry to say, I see some elements of “my
> religious belief is morally superior to yours” start to infect even
> adherents of Hinduism and Buddhism, in certain parts of the world.

There is a difference between what Tim said and what you seem to be 
responding to.

Tim said that when each goddist religion says their god is the only true 
god, they can’t all be right, but when they say all other gods are 
false, they *can* all be right.

You are making some statement about beliefs in moral superiority of 
religions, not in beliefs in a god or gods.

-- 
Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn
Call me crazy but maybe two men who fathered 17 children with
6 different women between them shouldn't be lecturing us about
family values.  --@rajazohaibmehtab
86 47 II/4 25

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#1148308

FromTim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com>
Date2026-08-05 11:42 -0700
Message-ID<1150062$386dc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148278
On 8/5/2026 4:01 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> On 8/4/26 20:43, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 10:45:38 -0700, Tim Merrigan wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/3/2026 7:58 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2026 20:58:59 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you believe in God?
>>>>
>>>> Do Goddists themselves believe in god?
>>>>
>>>> Each goddist religion says their god is the only true god, all
>>>> other gods are false.
>>>>
>>>> They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right
>>>> on the second.
>>>
>>> You're only talking about monotheists.
>>
>> You would hope so. But I’m sorry to say, I see some elements of “my
>> religious belief is morally superior to yours” start to infect even
>> adherents of Hinduism and Buddhism, in certain parts of the world.
> 
> There is a difference between what Tim said and what you seem to be 
> responding to.
> 
> Tim said that when each goddist religion says their god is the only true 
> god, they can’t all be right, but when they say all other gods are 
> false, they *can* all be right.
> 
> You are making some statement about beliefs in moral superiority of 
> religions, not in beliefs in a god or gods.
> 

Actually that wasn't me.  I said they were only talking about monotheists.

Not that there aren't "one true way" poli and pan theists (Narendra Modi 
and the BJP come to mind), but the OP WAS only talking about monotheists.


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#1148346

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-06 06:50 +0000
Message-ID<1151ar6$3jca7$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148278
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 07:01:37 -0400, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

> On 8/3/2026 7:58 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> Each goddist religion says their god is the only true god, all
>> other gods are false.
>>
>> They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right
>> on the second.
>
> Tim said that when each goddist religion says their god is the only
> true god, they can’t all be right, but when they say all other gods
> are false, they *can* all be right.

No, that’s what I said.

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#1148265

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2026-08-04 20:27 -0400
Message-ID<114u016$97b$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#1148239
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=  <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Aug 2026 20:58:59 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
>
>> Do you believe in God?
>
>Do Goddists themselves believe in god?

It doesn't really matter.  It only matters whether God believes in you.
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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#1148240

FromPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Date2026-08-04 14:34 +1000
Message-ID<114rq4t$1sano$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148231
On 04/08/26 05:58, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

> And what we learned from the Spanish civil war (and the Russian
> revolution, and other examples) is that atheism and communism also
> tend to go together.

Since those times communism has decllined markedly. Meanwhile, the
census figures I've seen suggest that in the Western democracies all
religions except Islam are losing followers. (The numbers for Islam are
being propped up by migration, I think.) Religion still prospers in the
poorer countries, but they tend to be socialist rather than communist.

So, with the number of atheists increasing and the number of communists
falling, I suggest that it's becoming harder to claim a correlation
between the two.

> Do you believe in God?

Which one? Well, it doesn't matter, because I disbelieve in all of them.

> If not (and even if so), would you happy for your beliefs to be
> judged to be communist for that reason?

As a person with left-wing leanings, I'm used to being insulted by the
right.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1148250

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-08-04 09:22 +0100
Message-ID<nddlpmF5nijU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1148231
Le 03/08/2026 à 20:58, Aidan Kehoe a écrit :
>   Ar an séú lá is fiche de mí Iúil, scríobh Lawrence D’Oliveiro:
>   > On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 12:34:07 -0400, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>   >
>   > > The current Russian line is to promote the Orthodox Church, with
>   > > Russia as the last bastion of true Christian values, and a mission
>   > > to correct Western decadence. The term to search is 'Russkiy Mir'
>   > > (Russian World)
>   > >
>   > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_world
>   > >
>   > > Its proposals are very parallel to MAGA's.
>   >
>   > Religion and Fascism do often tend to go together, don’t they?
> 
> And what we learned from the Spanish civil war (and the Russian revolution, and
> other examples) is that atheism and communism also tend to go together. Do you
> believe in God? If not (and even if so), would you happy for your beliefs to be
> judged to be communist for that reason?


Man invented God, not just to explain the Universe, but also as an 
instrument of power, to control other men. Some regimes use God in this 
way, and some don't. In France, for example, God was toppled along with 
the monarchy and the aristocracy, and the State now gets along without Him.

If an omnipotent and omnipresent God really existed, and took an 
interest in humanity (which seems unlikely, given how mind-bogglingly 
tiny we are in His Universe), I don't think He'd put up with all the 
intermediaries we have at present. All the bishops and imams and rabbis 
preaching different things - ridiculous! No, such a God would take over 
Truth Social and be contactable directly.

And such a God would be politically useless.

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#1148252

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2026-08-04 08:40 +0000
Message-ID<114s8h1$201vu$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1148250
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 09:22:14 +0100, Hibou wrote:

> If an omnipotent and omnipresent God really existed, and took an
> interest in humanity (which seems unlikely, given how
> mind-bogglingly tiny we are in His Universe), I don't think He'd put
> up with all the intermediaries we have at present. All the bishops
> and imams and rabbis preaching different things - ridiculous! No,
> such a God would take over Truth Social and be contactable directly.

The usual excuse for rejecting such an argument is the hoary old “but
it’s all part of God’s mysterious plan, don’t you know”. Overlooking
the fact that an omnipotent being doesn’t *need* to have a plan ...
for anything.

> And such a God would be politically useless.

There was this SF story I read once, where “God” was actually a
component of all matter, that could be isolated in a chemically-pure
form. This led to some happenings (miracles etc) which many people in
authority (religious and otherwise) found highly disturbing.

I can’t remember how it ended ... most likely with the banning of the
manufacture of the substance ...

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#1148254

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-08-04 10:43 +0100
Message-ID<nddqibF74pvU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1148252
Le 04/08/2026 à 09:40, Lawrence D’Oliveiro a écrit :
> On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 09:22:14 +0100, Hibou wrote:
>>
>> If an omnipotent and omnipresent God really existed, and took an
>> interest in humanity (which seems unlikely, given how
>> mind-bogglingly tiny we are in His Universe), I don't think He'd put
>> up with all the intermediaries we have at present. All the bishops
>> and imams and rabbis preaching different things - ridiculous! No,
>> such a God would take over Truth Social and be contactable directly.
> 
> The usual excuse for rejecting such an argument is the hoary old “but
> it’s all part of God’s mysterious plan, don’t you know”.


When an animated speck of dust asserts that the Infinite has a 
mysterious plan, the appropriate response is a sympathetic smile and, as 
soon as the speck has looked away, a finger tapped on the side of the head.

> Overlooking
> the fact that an omnipotent being doesn’t *need* to have a plan ...
> for anything. [...]

An immutable God is effectively frozen, cannot think and cannot act - 
so, yes indeed, He has no need of a plan.

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#1148255

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-08-04 11:09 +0100
Message-ID<ndds23F79qgU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1148254
Le 04/08/2026 à 10:43, Hibou a écrit :
> 
> An immutable God is effectively frozen, cannot think and cannot act - 
> so, yes indeed, He has no need of a plan.


Not for Himself, anyway. For us, perhaps. Shame it's a secret.

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