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| Started by | "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-18 20:11 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-07-27 12:56 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 445 — 40 participants |
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Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-18 20:11 +0000
Re: Retronym? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-18 20:36 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:49 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-18 16:00 -0700
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 02:18 +0000
Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 10:16 +0100
Re: Retronym? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-19 14:01 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 08:05 -0400
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 22:09 -0400
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:41 +0000
Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0100
Re: Retronym? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-19 08:59 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:53 +0000
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 15:09 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0000
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 19:36 +0200
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 22:10 -0400
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 15:47 +0200
Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 16:47 +0100
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 19:39 +0200
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-19 20:41 +0100
Re: Retronym? kfl@panix.com (Keith F. Lynch) - 2026-07-19 20:22 +0000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-20 12:51 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:55 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 11:27 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:42 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:41 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:04 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:25 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:38 +0200
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 08:03 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 08:36 +0200
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 10:27 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 19:07 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 08:53 +0200
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-22 17:05 +1000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 10:09 +0100
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-22 20:40 +1000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-26 23:11 +0200
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0100
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-27 10:33 +1000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-28 13:00 +0100
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-27 09:05 +0200
Re: Retronym? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-27 10:57 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:05 +0200
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 19:23 +0000
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:17 +0100
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-29 21:46 +1200
Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 06:30 +0530
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-30 17:33 +1200
Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 18:07 +0530
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-30 13:55 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 23:34 +0200
Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 06:39 +0530
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-29 13:48 +1200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:05 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 15:06 +0000
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 15:50 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 16:26 +1000
Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-22 13:11 -0400
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 11:39 -0700
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 16:52 +1000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-24 16:28 +0100
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 10:02 +1000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 23:43 +0200
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 06:25 +0100
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 12:52 -0700
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-19 07:50 -0400
Re: Retronym? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-19 08:55 -0400
Re: Retronym? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-19 19:59 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:00 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-20 15:22 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 13:29 +1000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-19 11:52 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? kfl@panix.com (Keith F. Lynch) - 2026-07-20 01:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 19:23 -0700
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 06:37 -0700
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:58 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:18 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-07-20 16:30 +0100
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:19 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:54 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 12:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-21 13:28 +0100
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 18:57 +0000
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 12:57 -0700
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 12:59 -0700
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:42 +0200
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-22 20:10 +0100
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 21:23 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 07:31 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 17:12 +0000
Re: Retronym? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-22 20:14 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 06:43 +0100
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-22 12:23 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-20 14:46 -0400
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:37 -0700
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 09:07 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:48 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-21 11:59 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 09:21 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-23 00:36 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:52 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:55 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-23 00:19 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 23:20 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-24 06:44 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-24 07:13 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-24 15:54 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-25 17:26 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 13:28 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:45 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-26 15:30 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:41 +0000
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:21 -0400
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:58 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 02:38 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 02:37 +0000
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 12:34 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:14 +0000
Re: Retronym? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 20:58 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 02:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-08-04 05:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 06:45 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-04 16:53 +1000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 08:35 +0000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-04 10:49 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:41 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-04 20:29 -0400
Re: Retronym? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 01:50 -0300
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-04 10:45 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:43 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 07:01 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-05 11:42 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-04 20:27 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-04 14:34 +1000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 09:22 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 08:40 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 10:43 +0100
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:09 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 22:13 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 05:01 +0200
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-25 13:32 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-24 19:31 -0700
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 13:52 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 08:25 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 23:16 +1000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 14:20 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-23 19:19 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:51 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:17 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:30 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-21 21:49 -0400
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-22 12:21 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-23 00:36 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 17:16 +1000
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 10:10 +0200
Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-23 09:44 -0400
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-23 20:55 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:06 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 11:20 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:53 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:16 +0000
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-19 18:37 +1200
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-19 09:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-19 12:04 -0700
Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-19 19:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-20 09:27 +0000
Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-20 19:38 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:10 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 06:10 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 08:11 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-19 07:51 -0400
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 21:54 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 20:34 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 23:32 +0200
Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-19 19:44 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:48 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 06:38 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 11:07 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 07:20 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:33 +0000
Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-20 11:31 -0400
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-20 12:50 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 23:02 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-21 07:43 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:31 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-21 21:50 -0400
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-22 07:55 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:02 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-23 07:29 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 23:23 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:20 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-25 07:38 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 20:59 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:34 -0400
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:59 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 00:00 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 05:43 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-26 11:54 +1000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-26 07:55 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:18 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 19:39 -0400
Re: Retronym? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2026-07-26 23:44 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 08:17 -0400
Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 08:55 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-26 14:02 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:47 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 10:35 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 10:55 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 11:01 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 11:36 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 19:31 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-27 06:24 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 08:11 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 14:02 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 13:06 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:25 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 03:12 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 00:21 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 08:10 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 08:46 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-28 14:49 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-28 23:17 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-28 22:36 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 21:14 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 11:44 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:10 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-28 20:33 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 17:08 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:47 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-29 02:19 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-29 17:55 +1000
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 17:22 -0400
Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 19:59 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 20:17 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 00:37 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 20:48 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 00:54 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 21:49 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 03:57 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 04:39 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:49 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 19:20 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 22:04 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 23:31 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-30 19:02 -0700
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-30 22:03 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-31 04:44 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-31 16:46 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-31 08:09 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 13:04 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:27 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:29 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 23:38 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 19:26 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-31 23:48 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:10 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:50 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 21:15 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 20:40 -0400
Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-04 15:42 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-05 09:16 -0400
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 13:30 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:30 +0200
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 15:35 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 18:05 -0400
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-08-05 16:49 +0100
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:06 +0100
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 18:23 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:42 +1000
Re: Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 22:52 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-03 13:05 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:22 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:52 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:08 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 10:43 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-01 16:05 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 12:04 -0700
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 15:38 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:05 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 09:40 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 10:24 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 18:23 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 13:29 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:57 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 16:33 -0400
Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 21:53 +0200
Re: Life Insurance liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 09:27 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:14 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-01 01:00 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:54 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:47 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:14 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-02 00:57 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 13:03 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 19:31 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 15:38 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-08-01 00:56 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:17 +0200
Death Row Exonerations "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 06:52 -0400
Re: Death Row Exonerations "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 11:43 +0000
Re: Death Row Exonerations Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:23 +1000
Re: Death Row Exonerations Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-02 05:50 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:23 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 22:15 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:29 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-31 18:59 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 19:17 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:23 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:27 +0000
Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 20:13 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-28 07:32 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:10 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-27 09:33 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 12:43 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-26 12:59 -0700
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:17 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-27 10:57 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:21 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 09:21 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:46 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 10:35 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 19:57 +0000
Suing News Organizations "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 16:27 -0400
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 23:34 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:28 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-29 11:15 +1000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-29 11:35 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:49 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 23:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-21 09:19 +1000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 19:33 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 07:03 -0400
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 15:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 21:54 +0200
Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-19 19:46 -0400
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-21 07:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:15 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:33 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:04 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-23 05:21 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-24 01:19 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-24 18:03 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 04:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-19 19:49 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 23:07 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:49 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 01:13 +0000
Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 21:30 -0400
Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-27 02:20 +0000
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 05:24 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 05:38 +0000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-27 10:37 +0000
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 12:52 +0200
Re: Calendars Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-07-27 21:39 -0400
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:29 +0000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 10:29 +0200
Re: Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 06:44 -0400
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-28 20:35 +0200
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 18:05 +0000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-27 20:36 +1000
Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-27 09:34 -0400
Re: Calendars athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 14:05 +0000
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-28 10:55 +1000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 13:59 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:44 +0000
Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 19:12 -0400
Prophecy "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:39 -0400
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:28 +0000
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 18:12 +0000
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:46 +0000
Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-31 23:53 +0000
Re: Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:05 -0400
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 11:13 +1000
Genealogy of Joseph "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 06:47 -0400
Re: Genealogy of Joseph Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 21:08 +1000
Re: Genealogy of Joseph prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-08-01 12:34 +0100
Re: Genealogy of Joseph kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:56 -0400
Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 16:07 +0000
Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 12:26 -0400
Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 20:57 +0000
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:31 +0000
Re: Calendars Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-08-01 07:25 +0000
Re: Calendars Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-08-01 07:31 +0000
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:30 +0000
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 11:41 +0200
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 12:28 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-03 05:45 +0000
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 15:30 +0200
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:21 +0200
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 11:45 +0200
Re: Calendars Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-02 12:41 -0700
Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-02 19:49 +0000
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:59 +0200
Re: Calendars "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-02 22:07 +0100
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 22:03 +0200
Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-02 16:40 -0400
Re: Calendars "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-02 22:09 +0100
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-03 05:47 +0000
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-03 16:04 +1000
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 12:56 +0200
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| From | Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 08:14 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114k2ra$3brqb$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1148035 |
Den 01.08.2026 kl. 01.27 skrev Peter Moylan: > The rule here used to be that share prices over the internet were always > twenty minutes out of date. This was to prevent unstable feedback. I > don't know whether they still do it. Traders will drop that exchange and find one with no restriction. -- Bertel, Kolt, Danmark
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| From | Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 01:00 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <02vq6l9qc7s7pi7plelnqsqt9hi623n22j@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1148018 |
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 22:29:02 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> wrote: >On 7/31/2026 9:27 AM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: >> Den 31.07.2026 kl. 08.46 skrev Peter Moylan: >> >>> Overall, I think it's a good thing that all civilised countries have now >>> abolished the death penalty. However, I have some sympathy for >>> reintroducing it for internet scammers, telemarketers, and people who >>> deal in cryptocurrency. >> >> Add the people who have scores of computers set up to make deals on the >> stock market every microsecond. > >I do not understand why stock markets permit this kind of trading. >Why not impose a series of (say) half-hour slots, where each trader >is only permitted to act at most once per slot? > >/Anders, Denmark\ "THis Thing of Darkness" by Harry Bingham is a Fiona Griffiths mystery story that includes sabotage of an undersea cable, intended to give the villains a fraction of a second advantage in the markets. The book includes arguments about high-speed trading, which I can't say I remmeber. What I recall from elsewhere is that the one thing that might put a big dent in the practice would be a tiny TAX laid on every BID made in every market, because (IIRC) the high-speed traders make an enormous number of bids, compared to the number of actual bids-won. -- Rich Ulrich
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 10:54 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114l1bq$8o9$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1148049 |
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote: > >"THis Thing of Darkness" by Harry Bingham is a Fiona Griffiths >mystery story that includes sabotage of an undersea cable, >intended to give the villains a fraction of a second advantage >in the markets. > >The book includes arguments about high-speed trading, which >I can't say I remmeber. The absolute best discussion about this comes from the days when stock information arrived much more slowly in the late 19th century. I highly recommend Reminiscences of a Stock Operator by Lefevre. It is fascinating and amusing and it describes the craziness of the first Gilded Age, at how technology was rapidly changing finance, and how scammers took great advantage of the changes. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 10:47 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114l0tr$37v$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1148018 |
Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@google.com> wrote: >On 7/31/2026 9:27 AM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: >> Add the people who have scores of computers set up to make deals on the >> stock market every microsecond. > >I do not understand why stock markets permit this kind of trading. >Why not impose a series of (say) half-hour slots, where each trader >is only permitted to act at most once per slot? Because stock markets make money per-transaction. High speed trading means more transactions per day and more money for the people running the market. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 10:14 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114m265$29b4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1148018 |
On 01/08/26 06:29, Anders D. Nygaard wrote: > I do not understand why stock markets permit this kind of trading. Because stock markets are run by the rich, for the rich. They are not there for the good of society. They once had a social value, as a way of raising money for new businesses to start up. That is now only a minor part of their business model. (Where is the social good in selling shares in the World Cup?) -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 00:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114m4ma$198d$1@usenet.csail.mit.edu> |
| In reply to | #1148018 |
In article <114j0id$32797$1@dont-email.me>, Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@google.com> wrote: >I do not understand why stock markets permit this kind of trading. >Why not impose a series of (say) half-hour slots, where each trader >is only permitted to act at most once per slot? Because the stock markets make their money on transaction fees. More transactions = more income for the markets, which are themselves listed companies whose incentive is to operate the most liquid market possible (to encourage listings and thus listing fees) and execute the most transactions possible (from which they directly earn income). Historically the stock markets were effectively cooperatives owned by their members (the people who actually executed trades on the floor), and also regulators of the securities industry through their imposition of rules on those same members and on the companies seeking listing. After a wave of financial deregulation across the globe in the 1990s, essentially all of them hived off their regulatory functions,[1] demutualized, and were floated on the markets -- many of them later merging with other exchanges, across types of securities, borders, and even oceans. (The Nasdaq was not a stock market, but rather, the National Association of Securities Dealers Automated Quotation system, but it too was demutualized and spun off from the NASD as a for-profit business that later acquired markets in Europe.) -GAWollman [1] Finra is the union of the former regulatory arms of the New York Stock Exchange and the NASD. -- Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can, wollman@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together." my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)
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| From | Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 13:03 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114ikga$2tq6o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147973 |
On 7/30/2026 10:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >> At one time, they used to hang pickpockets. It didn’t seem to be much >> of a deterrent to others committing the same crime. >> >> If a legal penalty doesn’t have a deterrent effect, then what point >> does it have? > > In the case of the death penalty, it definitely prevents that person from > reoffending. It may not deter others, but it definitely stops the original > offender. > --scott > So does a life sentence without the possibility of parole. ...and that's often cheaper than the massive legal machinery that a death sentence activates in the US. ...and allows the possibility of partial restitution if a false conviction is later proved. pt
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| From | Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 19:31 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114im54$2ubrg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1148012 |
Den 31.07.2026 kl. 19.03 skrev Cryptoengineer: >> In the case of the death penalty, it definitely prevents that person from >> reoffending. It may not deter others, but it definitely stops the >> original >> offender. >> --scott >> > > So does a life sentence without the possibility of parole. > > ...and that's often cheaper than the massive legal machinery that a > death sentence activates in the US. https://latestcost.com/cost-keeping-prisoner-u-s-facilities/ The average is $40'000. If a muderer is jailed at the age of 25 and lives to be 75 the total will be $2'000'000. What's the going rate on the street for killing a person? -- Bertel, Kolt, Danmark
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| From | Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 15:38 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114itjm$30ph7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1148014 |
On 7/31/2026 1:31 PM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: > Den 31.07.2026 kl. 19.03 skrev Cryptoengineer: > >>> In the case of the death penalty, it definitely prevents that person >>> from >>> reoffending. It may not deter others, but it definitely stops the >>> original >>> offender. >>> --scott >>> >> >> So does a life sentence without the possibility of parole. >> >> ...and that's often cheaper than the massive legal machinery that a >> death sentence activates in the US. > > https://latestcost.com/cost-keeping-prisoner-u-s-facilities/ > > The average is $40'000. If a muderer is jailed at the age of 25 and > lives to be 75 the total will be $2'000'000. What's the going rate on > the street for killing a person? > Your source gives no info on the cost of litigating a death penalty. Fortunately, The Cato Institute (hardly a bleeding-heart institution) has done the math: The Financial Implications of the Death Penalty https://www.cato.org/blog/financial-implications-death-penalty (2023 article) First, remember that the average death penalty case remains on death row for 19 years, at 60k-70k a year (death row inmates are not in the general population, and have special accommodations. They are much more expensive, day-to-day, than a lifer). Second, the excess legal costs of a death penalty trial are between 1.1 million and 1.5 million higher than a life sentence. So, accommodating a lifer in the general population for 50 years is about $2M, as you say. A death row inmate: 19 years @ 65k/year = 1.2M Add 1.3 M extra litigation cost, and the total comes to 2.5M So, life without parole still comes out cheaper. ...and on top of that, you haven't killed an innocent if later evidence (such as DNA) turns up exculpating them. pt
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| From | Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 00:56 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <4lnp6ldukugol7r6ppr1u8qkg4b7h2hmcu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1148012 |
In Message-ID:<114ikga$2tq6o$1@dont-email.me>, Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote: >On 7/30/2026 10:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: >> Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: <snip> >> In the case of the death penalty, it definitely prevents that person from >> reoffending. It may not deter others, but it definitely stops the original >> offender. >> --scott >> > >So does a life sentence without the possibility of parole. Because, as we all know, no crimes are committed by prisoners. <snip> >...and allows the possibility of partial restitution if a false >conviction is later proved. But I definitely agree with this point. -- Sue Dominus
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| From | Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 08:17 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114k316$3brqb$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1148048 |
Den 01.08.2026 kl. 06.56 skrev Someone Else: > <snip> >> ...and allows the possibility of partial restitution if a false >> conviction is later proved. > > But I definitely agree with this point. So do I. I was not defending having death penalty. I was merely interested in the financial argument. I've read the 50% of the death row prisoners in USA who had their case retried based on DNA testing were found to be innocent. -- Bertel, Kolt, Danmark
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| From | "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 06:52 -0400 |
| Subject | Death Row Exonerations |
| Message-ID | <114kj5s$3gtbe$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1148056 |
On 8/1/26 02:17, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: > Den 01.08.2026 kl. 06.56 skrev Someone Else: > >> <snip> >>> ...and allows the possibility of partial restitution if a false >>> conviction is later proved. >> >> But I definitely agree with this point. > > So do I. I was not defending having death penalty. I was merely > interested in the financial argument. > > I've read the 50% of the death row prisoners in USA who had their case > retried based on DNA testing were found to be innocent. But the set of death row prisoners in USA who had their case retried based on DNA testing is not a representative sample of the set of death row prisoners in USA. It would be heavily weighted towards those who were in fact innocent and who therefore thought that retrying the case with DNA evidence would should prove that. That 50% were still found guilty is what I find surprising. -- Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn Call me crazy but maybe two men who fathered 17 children with 6 different women between them shouldn't be lecturing us about family values. --@rajazohaibmehtab 86 47 II/4 25
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| From | "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-01 11:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Death Row Exonerations |
| Message-ID | <114km5i$plp$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1148080 |
Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote: > Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: >> I've read the 50% of the death row prisoners in USA who had their >> case retried based on DNA testing were found to be innocent. I think that claim is slightly garbled. For one thing, if DNA testing definitely proves their innocence, in some US states that's an automatic exoneration with no new trial. And in other US states, factual innocence is legally irrelevant. For instance in Texas Robert Roberson was proven innocent, but they're going to execute him anyway. (In Texas, unlike most US states, the governor does not have the power to pardon a prisoner.) Anyhow, the presence of one's DNA is not always incriminating, and its absence is not always exonerating. It depends on the circumstances of the case. And on whether there is any other evidence. Especially puzzling are some of the cold cases in which trace amounts of DNA were proven to be from someone with a clean record. Sure, if it matched someone with a record of similar crimes, I'm okay with convicting them. But if it matched someone with no record at all, before or since, I don't think that alone should be enough to convict them, given that all it takes is a single molecule of DNA, in there are lots of innocent ways DNA can move around. For instance look up the Phantom of Heilbronn. Anyhow, in the great majority of felony cases, especially ones that don't involve rape or murder, there either never was any DNA evidence, or they didn't bother to check for it. And there's no reason to think the error rate is any lower in those cases. If the narrow beam of your flashlight reveals several cockroaches in your kitchen, that's not proof that that's all the cockroaches that are in your kitchen. > But the set of death row prisoners in USA who had their case retried > based on DNA testing is not a representative sample of the set of > death row prisoners in USA. It would be heavily weighted towards > those who were in fact innocent and who therefore thought that > retrying the case with DNA evidence would should prove that. If a death row prisoner is simply trying to delay their execution, they may try anything and everything, whether they're guilty or not. What I find most concerning is how much completely bogus forensic "science" is used to convict people. And how "prisoner's dilemma" continues to be used, in which people are rewarded for testifying the way prosecutors want them to, and threatened with perjury charges if they testify for the defense. In my case, for instance, I was told that all charges against me would be dropped if I agreed to truthfully testify that my cellmate, Michael G. Simoneau, had confessed to murder. I attempted to get him to confess, but he didn't, so I didn't testify. He was convicted anyway, I don't know on what evidence, nor do I know if he was guilty. (At least he didn't get the death penalty.) I don't understand how any jury can believe such evidence, but they often do. Also concerning is the continued use of the Reid Technique of interrogation, which can get about 1/3 of guilty people and about 2/3 of innocent people to confess. -- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 10:23 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Death Row Exonerations |
| Message-ID | <114m2m3$2dvc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1148083 |
On 01/08/26 21:43, Keith F. Lynch wrote: > I don't understand how any jury can believe such evidence, but they > often do. My experience as a juror left my with no trust at all in the jury system. What justice can you get from a bunch of people who ignore the evidence and vote based on their gut feeling? I've heard it said that if you're guilty you should try to get a jury trial, but if innocent you should fight for a judge-only trial. That's based on an assumption that a jury will get it wrong. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-02 05:50 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Death Row Exonerations |
| Message-ID | <ifft6lt595pdo5ki6oc52d9hpq43ksbgm8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1148132 |
On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 10:23:27 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
>On 01/08/26 21:43, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>
>> I don't understand how any jury can believe such evidence, but they
>> often do.
>
>My experience as a juror left my with no trust at all in the jury
>system. What justice can you get from a bunch of people who ignore the
>evidence and vote based on their gut feeling?
>
>I've heard it said that if you're guilty you should try to get a jury
>trial, but if innocent you should fight for a judge-only trial. That's
>based on an assumption that a jury will get it wrong.
The book to read is:
Paton, Alan. 1973 [1948] Cry, the beloved country. Harmondsworth:
Penguin.
ISBN: 0-14-001274-5
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 06:01 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <oe7o6lhahqfh4ur0hfnoe6c5tpeulpi30b@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1147965 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 22:04:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DÿOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 19:20:12 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> If it is going to be used, the method should reflect the reason for >> doing so. If the intent is to deter others from committing the same >> crime, then the execution should be public and painful. If the >> intent is to avoid any chance of the criminal from ever having a >> chance to do more crimes (the "mad dog" situation), then the >> execution should be private and as pain free as possible. If the >> reason is to exact revenge, then the execution should be private, >> painful, and messy. > >At one time, they used to hang pickpockets. It didn’t seem to be much >of a deterrent to others committing the same crime. > >If a legal penalty doesn’t have a deterrent effect, then what point >does it have? Prevents recidivism, so they say. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 09:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114hiif$2g2i6$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147965 |
Den 31.07.2026 kl. 00.04 skrev Lawrence D’Oliveiro: > At one time, they used to hang pickpockets. It didn’t seem to be much > of a deterrent to others committing the same crime. Of course not. The public hanging gave them the perfect opportunity to empty people's pockets. -- Bertel, Kolt, Danmark
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| From | "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 22:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114gieh$g6l$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147960 |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > [Hal Heydt] > I think capital puhishment is a bad idea. However... > If it is going to be used, the method should reflect the reason for > doing so. If the intent is to deter others from committing the same > crime, then the execution should be public and painful. If public and painful punishments deterred crime, the past would have been much more crime-free than it actually was. Guy Fawkes wasn't deterred from attempting to blow up parliament and the king by knowing he would be drawn and quartered if he was caught. Which he was. > If the intent is to avoid any chance of the criminal from ever > having a chance to do more crimes (the "mad dog" situation), then > the execution should be private and as pain free as possible. > If the reason is to exact revenge, then the execution should > be private, painful, and messy. The current justice system in the US is profoundly broken. I have no faith that a conviction means the convict was actually guilty of anything. It happened to me, and since I'm out of the closet as a wrongfully convicted felon, lots of people have confided in me that similar or worse things have happened to them. I lost two rounds of "prisoner's dilemma," a game that was already ancient when it was used to convict people in the Salem witch trials. The only thing special about those trials is that we know for a fact that everyone was innocent, since witchcraft is not a thing. > I think that pretty much covers the reasons for capital punishment. The number one reason for capital punishment in the US is to coerce people into pleading guilty in return for a life sentence. In most cases, prosecutors don't actually want to execute anyone. They just want them to plead guilty, to avoid the risk that the prosecutors will lose at trial. Similarly with lesser punishments. North Carolina's Bob Kelly was told that if he pled guilty to a misdemeanor, to which he could be sentenced to not more than one year in jail, all other charges would be dropped. He refused. And was convicted at trial and sentenced to twelve consecutive life sentences. Even though he wasn't accused of killing anyone, or of attempting to do so. He too wasn't actually guilty of anything. Every defendant has a right to a trial. But a right with an attached penalty isn't much of a right. It's as if on voting day, there was a scowling cop right outside the voting booth. He warns you that he won't stop you from voting, but as soon as you exit the voting booth the handcuffs will go on. -- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 07:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114hisk$2g9un$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147966 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 22:15:45 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote: > The number one reason for capital punishment in the US is to coerce > people into pleading guilty in return for a life sentence. In most > cases, prosecutors don't actually want to execute anyone. They just > want them to plead guilty, to avoid the risk that the prosecutors > will lose at trial. Plea bargaining is commonly seen as something that corrupts the justice system.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 18:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <tJ1zF8.47y@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #1147995 |
In article <114hisk$2g9un$3@dont-email.me>, Lawrence DÿOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 22:15:45 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote: > >> The number one reason for capital punishment in the US is to coerce >> people into pleading guilty in return for a life sentence. In most >> cases, prosecutors don't actually want to execute anyone. They just >> want them to plead guilty, to avoid the risk that the prosecutors >> will lose at trial. > >Plea bargaining is commonly seen as something that corrupts the >justice system. [Hal Heydt] I would like to see laws in place that forbid pleading away DUI charges. Far to many horrible cases come up where the offender has "no prior convictions for DUI". That's because, by pleading guilty to other offenses, the DUI charge was dropped. That needs to be banned.
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