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| Started by | "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-18 20:11 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-07-27 12:56 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 445 — 40 participants |
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Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-18 20:11 +0000
Re: Retronym? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-18 20:36 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:49 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-18 16:00 -0700
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 02:18 +0000
Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 10:16 +0100
Re: Retronym? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-19 14:01 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 08:05 -0400
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 22:09 -0400
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:41 +0000
Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0100
Re: Retronym? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-19 08:59 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:53 +0000
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 15:09 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0000
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 19:36 +0200
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 22:10 -0400
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 15:47 +0200
Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 16:47 +0100
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 19:39 +0200
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-19 20:41 +0100
Re: Retronym? kfl@panix.com (Keith F. Lynch) - 2026-07-19 20:22 +0000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-20 12:51 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:55 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 11:27 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:42 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:41 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:04 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:25 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:38 +0200
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 08:03 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 08:36 +0200
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 10:27 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 19:07 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 08:53 +0200
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-22 17:05 +1000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 10:09 +0100
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-22 20:40 +1000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-26 23:11 +0200
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0100
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-27 10:33 +1000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-28 13:00 +0100
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-27 09:05 +0200
Re: Retronym? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-27 10:57 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:05 +0200
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 19:23 +0000
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:17 +0100
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-29 21:46 +1200
Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 06:30 +0530
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-30 17:33 +1200
Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 18:07 +0530
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-30 13:55 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 23:34 +0200
Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 06:39 +0530
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-29 13:48 +1200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:05 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 15:06 +0000
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 15:50 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 16:26 +1000
Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-22 13:11 -0400
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 11:39 -0700
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 16:52 +1000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-24 16:28 +0100
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 10:02 +1000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 23:43 +0200
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 06:25 +0100
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 12:52 -0700
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-19 07:50 -0400
Re: Retronym? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-19 08:55 -0400
Re: Retronym? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-19 19:59 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:00 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-20 15:22 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 13:29 +1000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-19 11:52 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? kfl@panix.com (Keith F. Lynch) - 2026-07-20 01:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 19:23 -0700
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 06:37 -0700
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:58 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:18 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-07-20 16:30 +0100
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:19 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:54 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 12:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-21 13:28 +0100
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 18:57 +0000
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 12:57 -0700
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 12:59 -0700
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:42 +0200
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-22 20:10 +0100
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 21:23 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 07:31 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 17:12 +0000
Re: Retronym? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-22 20:14 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 06:43 +0100
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-22 12:23 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-20 14:46 -0400
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:37 -0700
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 09:07 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:48 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-21 11:59 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 09:21 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-23 00:36 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:52 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:55 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-23 00:19 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 23:20 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-24 06:44 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-24 07:13 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-24 15:54 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-25 17:26 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 13:28 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:45 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-26 15:30 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:41 +0000
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:21 -0400
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:58 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 02:38 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 02:37 +0000
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 12:34 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:14 +0000
Re: Retronym? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 20:58 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 02:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-08-04 05:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 06:45 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-04 16:53 +1000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 08:35 +0000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-04 10:49 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:41 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-04 20:29 -0400
Re: Retronym? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 01:50 -0300
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-04 10:45 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:43 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 07:01 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-05 11:42 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-04 20:27 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-04 14:34 +1000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 09:22 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 08:40 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 10:43 +0100
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:09 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 22:13 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 05:01 +0200
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-25 13:32 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-24 19:31 -0700
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 13:52 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 08:25 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 23:16 +1000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 14:20 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-23 19:19 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:51 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:17 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:30 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-21 21:49 -0400
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-22 12:21 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-23 00:36 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 17:16 +1000
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 10:10 +0200
Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-23 09:44 -0400
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-23 20:55 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:06 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 11:20 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:53 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:16 +0000
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-19 18:37 +1200
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-19 09:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-19 12:04 -0700
Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-19 19:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-20 09:27 +0000
Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-20 19:38 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:10 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 06:10 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 08:11 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-19 07:51 -0400
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 21:54 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 20:34 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 23:32 +0200
Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-19 19:44 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:48 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 06:38 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 11:07 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 07:20 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:33 +0000
Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-20 11:31 -0400
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-20 12:50 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 23:02 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-21 07:43 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:31 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-21 21:50 -0400
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-22 07:55 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:02 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-23 07:29 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 23:23 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:20 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-25 07:38 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 20:59 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:34 -0400
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:59 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 00:00 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 05:43 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-26 11:54 +1000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-26 07:55 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:18 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 19:39 -0400
Re: Retronym? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2026-07-26 23:44 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 08:17 -0400
Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 08:55 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-26 14:02 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:47 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 10:35 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 10:55 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 11:01 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 11:36 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 19:31 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-27 06:24 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 08:11 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 14:02 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 13:06 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:25 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 03:12 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 00:21 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 08:10 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 08:46 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-28 14:49 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-28 23:17 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-28 22:36 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 21:14 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 11:44 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:10 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-28 20:33 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 17:08 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:47 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-29 02:19 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-29 17:55 +1000
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 17:22 -0400
Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 19:59 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 20:17 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 00:37 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 20:48 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 00:54 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 21:49 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 03:57 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 04:39 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:49 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 19:20 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 22:04 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 23:31 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-30 19:02 -0700
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-30 22:03 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-31 04:44 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-31 16:46 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-31 08:09 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 13:04 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:27 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:29 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 23:38 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 19:26 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-31 23:48 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:10 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:50 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 21:15 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 20:40 -0400
Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-04 15:42 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-05 09:16 -0400
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 13:30 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:30 +0200
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 15:35 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 18:05 -0400
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-08-05 16:49 +0100
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:06 +0100
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 18:23 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:42 +1000
Re: Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 22:52 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-03 13:05 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:22 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:52 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:08 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 10:43 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-01 16:05 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 12:04 -0700
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 15:38 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:05 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 09:40 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 10:24 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 18:23 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 13:29 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:57 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 16:33 -0400
Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 21:53 +0200
Re: Life Insurance liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 09:27 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:14 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-01 01:00 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:54 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:47 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:14 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-02 00:57 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 13:03 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 19:31 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 15:38 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-08-01 00:56 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:17 +0200
Death Row Exonerations "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 06:52 -0400
Re: Death Row Exonerations "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 11:43 +0000
Re: Death Row Exonerations Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:23 +1000
Re: Death Row Exonerations Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-02 05:50 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:23 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 22:15 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:29 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-31 18:59 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 19:17 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:23 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:27 +0000
Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 20:13 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-28 07:32 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:10 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-27 09:33 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 12:43 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-26 12:59 -0700
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:17 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-27 10:57 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:21 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 09:21 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:46 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 10:35 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 19:57 +0000
Suing News Organizations "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 16:27 -0400
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 23:34 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:28 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-29 11:15 +1000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-29 11:35 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:49 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 23:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-21 09:19 +1000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 19:33 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 07:03 -0400
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 15:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 21:54 +0200
Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-19 19:46 -0400
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-21 07:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:15 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:33 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:04 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-23 05:21 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-24 01:19 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-24 18:03 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 04:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-19 19:49 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 23:07 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:49 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 01:13 +0000
Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 21:30 -0400
Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-27 02:20 +0000
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 05:24 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 05:38 +0000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-27 10:37 +0000
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 12:52 +0200
Re: Calendars Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-07-27 21:39 -0400
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:29 +0000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 10:29 +0200
Re: Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 06:44 -0400
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-28 20:35 +0200
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 18:05 +0000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-27 20:36 +1000
Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-27 09:34 -0400
Re: Calendars athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 14:05 +0000
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-28 10:55 +1000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 13:59 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:44 +0000
Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 19:12 -0400
Prophecy "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:39 -0400
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:28 +0000
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 18:12 +0000
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:46 +0000
Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-31 23:53 +0000
Re: Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:05 -0400
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 11:13 +1000
Genealogy of Joseph "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 06:47 -0400
Re: Genealogy of Joseph Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 21:08 +1000
Re: Genealogy of Joseph prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-08-01 12:34 +0100
Re: Genealogy of Joseph kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:56 -0400
Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 16:07 +0000
Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 12:26 -0400
Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 20:57 +0000
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:31 +0000
Re: Calendars Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-08-01 07:25 +0000
Re: Calendars Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-08-01 07:31 +0000
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:30 +0000
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 11:41 +0200
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 12:28 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-03 05:45 +0000
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 15:30 +0200
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:21 +0200
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 11:45 +0200
Re: Calendars Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-02 12:41 -0700
Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-02 19:49 +0000
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:59 +0200
Re: Calendars "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-02 22:07 +0100
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 22:03 +0200
Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-02 16:40 -0400
Re: Calendars "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-02 22:09 +0100
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-03 05:47 +0000
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-03 16:04 +1000
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 12:56 +0200
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 17:55 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Tomato Plants |
| Message-ID | <114cblh$mrl7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147834 |
On 29/07/26 12:19, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > [Hal Heydt] > On another take... I received a letter today from an insurance > company offering life insurance to my wife. Problem? She*died* > exactly 49 months ago. You'd think they'd do at least minimal > due diligence... Accept their offer, pay one month's premium, and then send them the death certificate. If they claim that her death was a pre-existing condition, it's bad publicity for them. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 17:22 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Tomato Plants |
| Message-ID | <114dque$6ap$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147834 |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >In article <otei6lt3g4is8ocls3sm9uqfi3aet5hvgb@4ax.com>, >Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote: >>That's not always the case. My wife and have 20-year whole life >>policies for $5,000 each with Metropolitan Insurance company that we >>purchased in 1964. We no longer pay premiums and haven't since 1984. >>The death benefits are now about $25,000 each, and we receive >>quarterly dividends. The amount has changed over the years, but it's >>currently about $31.00 each. Yes, this is what I mean by branching out into other investments. This is not traditional life insurance but it's a good thing. >[Hal Heydt] >On another take... I received a letter today from an insurance >company offering life insurance to my wife. Problem? She *died* >exactly 49 months ago. You'd think they'd do at least minimal >due diligence... You should definitely apply immediately. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114drop$ftl$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147891 |
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote: > Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote: >>> That's not always the case. My wife and have 20-year whole life >>> policies for $5,000 each with Metropolitan Insurance company that >>> we purchased in 1964. We no longer pay premiums and haven't since >>> 1984. The death benefits are now about $25,000 each, and we >>> receive quarterly dividends. The amount has changed over the >>> years, but it's currently about $31.00 each. > Yes, this is what I mean by branching out into other investments. > This is not traditional life insurance but it's a good thing. No, Tony is describing a typical Whole Life policy. It never expires. The customer may or may not keep paying a fixed amount for life, or only until age 65 or whenever, depending on the policy. Some of them eventually pay dividends, especially if the payments are invested into a stock portfolio that does well. As contrasted with a Term Life policy, which expires, leaving you with nothing, at the end of the term. But the payments tend to be a lot less. It's most useful for people with minor children, to fund their education until they're self-supporting if the parents die young. >> [Hal Heydt] >> On another take... I received a letter today from an insurance >> company offering life insurance to my wife. Problem? She *died* >> exactly 49 months ago. You'd think they'd do at least minimal due >> diligence... > You should definitely apply immediately. Only if he wants to go to prison. Anyhow, the fine print of most life insurance policies, whether whole or term, automatically exclude anyone who is dead within six months of when the contract is signed. And some also require a physical exam. -- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 19:59 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114e44d$qvb$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147893 |
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote: > >No, Tony is describing a typical Whole Life policy. It never expires. >The customer may or may not keep paying a fixed amount for life, or >only until age 65 or whenever, depending on the policy. Some of them >eventually pay dividends, especially if the payments are invested into >a stock portfolio that does well. Yes, this is a new thing. This didn't happen in the 18th century. The notion of paying dividends on life insurance didn't happen until almost the 20th century, I don't think. >Anyhow, the fine print of most life insurance policies, whether whole >or term, automatically exclude anyone who is dead within six months of >when the contract is signed. And some also require a physical exam. He's not really dead, he's just pining for the fjords. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 20:17 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <es2l6lh6cd2n0trkt97od135aa99tspca6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1147893 |
On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 21:36:25 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote: >Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote: >> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> That's not always the case. My wife and have 20-year whole life >>>> policies for $5,000 each with Metropolitan Insurance company that >>>> we purchased in 1964. We no longer pay premiums and haven't since >>>> 1984. The death benefits are now about $25,000 each, and we >>>> receive quarterly dividends. The amount has changed over the >>>> years, but it's currently about $31.00 each. > >> Yes, this is what I mean by branching out into other investments. >> This is not traditional life insurance but it's a good thing. > >No, Tony is describing a typical Whole Life policy. It never expires. >The customer may or may not keep paying a fixed amount for life, or >only until age 65 or whenever, depending on the policy. Some of them >eventually pay dividends, especially if the payments are invested into >a stock portfolio that does well. > >As contrasted with a Term Life policy, which expires, leaving you with >nothing, at the end of the term. But the payments tend to be a lot >less. It's most useful for people with minor children, to fund their >education until they're self-supporting if the parents die young. > The above does not describe the type of policy I have, and it is not correct about Term. Ours are 20-year Pay Life Policies that we took out in 1964. In that type of policy, the premium is set at the time of purchase based on the age of the insured, the premium is a fixed rate for 20 years, and the policy is completely paid up after 20 years and no more premiums are paid. The face amount is payable at death whenever that is. The age of 65 has nothing to do with it. Ours were paid-up when were in our 40s. The face amount remains the same, but the actual payable amount is larger. The payable amount has increased based on how the insurance company has funded the face amount. Some Term policies expire after a designated number of years, but there are also Term policies that remain in effect as long as the premiums are paid. If the premiums are kept up, the policy never expires. The premium is set based on the insured's age and remains fixed at that amount. We have that kind of Term policies with Prudential. We got them when we had kids (1967 and 1969), but have kept them up and continue to pay premiums and they are still in effect. Like many Americans, I never sought out life insurance coverage. The agents seek us out. Often - as in our case - it's a college or social friend went into insurance sales and "networked"* his friends to make a sale. They always push Whole Life (which really are better), but Term has cheaper premiums so the buyer may opt for Term. *"networked" was not a phrase used in this context then. >Anyhow, the fine print of most life insurance policies, whether whole >or term, automatically exclude anyone who is dead within six months of >when the contract is signed. And some also require a physical exam. I dunno about the six month clause, but many exclude payment if the death is a suicide, or exclude payment for death by suicide for a determined amount of time. It's not unknown for sometime to deliberately crash a car to commit suicide that appears to be an accident.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 00:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <tIypqs.1xJ0@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #1147893 |
In article <114drop$ftl$1@reader1.panix.com>, Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote: >Anyhow, the fine print of most life insurance policies, whether whole >or term, automatically exclude anyone who is dead within six months of >when the contract is signed. And some also require a physical exam. [Hal Heydt] The problem would be the signing. Death within six months of start date wouldn't, since she died over 4 years ago.
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| From | "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 20:48 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114e71b$19liq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147905 |
On 7/29/26 20:37, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <114drop$ftl$1@reader1.panix.com>, > Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote: >> Anyhow, the fine print of most life insurance policies, whether whole >> or term, automatically exclude anyone who is dead within six months of >> when the contract is signed. And some also require a physical exam. > > [Hal Heydt] > The problem would be the signing. Death within six months of > start date wouldn't, since she died over 4 years ago. It depends if the policy says that the date of death is within six months of signing, or that the person is dead within six months of signing. -- Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn Call me crazy but maybe two men who fathered 17 children with 6 different women between them shouldn't be lecturing us about family values. --@rajazohaibmehtab 86 47 II/4 25
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| From | "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 00:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114e7bq$gnr$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147905 |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: > The problem would be the signing. Death within six months of start > date wouldn't, since she died over 4 years ago. I assume it's phrased so that if she's dead at that time, it's not valid. Insurance companies can afford the best lawyers. And if there are any ambiguities in the contracts, some previous client has almost certinly already found them, causing it to have long since been corrected. -- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-07-29 21:49 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114eajg$580$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147907 |
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote: >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >> The problem would be the signing. Death within six months of start >> date wouldn't, since she died over 4 years ago. > >I assume it's phrased so that if she's dead at that time, it's not >valid. Insurance companies can afford the best lawyers. And if there >are any ambiguities in the contracts, some previous client has almost >certinly already found them, causing it to have long since been >corrected. This is clearly a case of a biased jury, your honor. There is no way my client can receive a fair trial. My client, you must understand, is dead and every single one of the jury members selected is still living. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 03:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114ei2e$1jj$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147910 |
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote: > This is clearly a case of a biased jury, your honor. There is > no way my client can receive a fair trial. My client, you must > understand, is dead and every single one of the jury members > selected is still living. "Indeed, he should have had a jury of his peers. And where could the court have dug up a dozen dead people? Oh, right." Of course these days trials are always of the living, since this isn't the age of the posthumous trial of Pope Formosus. Or of Oliver Cromwell. (Cromwell's corpse was beheaded, and hiw victim Charles I's corpse had its head sewn back on. Cromwell's head was displayed in various places, and was reburied more than three centuries later.) -- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 04:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114ekic$1edrg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147912 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 03:57:03 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote: > Of course these days trials are always of the living, since this > isn't the age of the posthumous trial of Pope Formosus. There was one story in Stanislaw Lem’s collection “The Cyberiad” about a character who was so villainous, he was regularly recreated only to be tortured to death again -- one death sentence wasn’t deemed enough for him.
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| From | Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 06:49 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <nd06v8F2e5lU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1147913 |
Le 30/07/2026 à 05:39, Lawrence D’Oliveiro a écrit : > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 03:57:03 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote: > > There was one story in Stanislaw Lem’s collection “The Cyberiad” about > a character who was so villainous, he was regularly recreated only to > be tortured to death again -- one death sentence wasn’t deemed enough > for him. I recall a documentary by Michael Portillo (he of the jazzy jackets) about the death penalty. He tried to find the most humane way of killing someone and (this from memory) found that breathing an inert gas led to unconsciousness and death without distress. He advanced this as an alternative to the flawed methods in use in the USA (electrocution, lethal injection…), but found no takers. It seemed the public wanted its criminals to suffer. Found it: <https://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/executions/> : "To do so he examines the key methods of execution available today: he discovers why convicts can catch on fire in the electric chair, learns how easy it is to botch a hanging and inhales a noxious gas to experience first hand the terror of the gas chamber." 'How a Michael Portillo BBC film inspired a US push for nitrogen-gas executions' - <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/06/nitrogen-gas-executions-michael-portillo>
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 19:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <tJ05po.sIq@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #1147919 |
In article <nd06v8F2e5lU4@mid.individual.net>, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >Le 30/07/2026 à 05:39, Lawrence D’Oliveiro a écrit : >> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 03:57:03 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote: >> >> There was one story in Stanislaw Lem’s collection “The Cyberiad” about >> a character who was so villainous, he was regularly recreated only to >> be tortured to death again -- one death sentence wasn’t deemed enough >> for him. > > >I recall a documentary by Michael Portillo (he of the jazzy jackets) >about the death penalty. He tried to find the most humane way of killing >someone and (this from memory) found that breathing an inert gas led to >unconsciousness and death without distress. He advanced this as an >alternative to the flawed methods in use in the USA (electrocution, >lethal injection…), but found no takers. It seemed the public wanted its >criminals to suffer. [Hal Heydt] I think capital puhishment is a bad idea. However... If it is going to be used, the method should reflect the reason for doing so. If the intent is to deter others from committing the same crime, then the execution should be public and painful. If the intent is to avoid any chance of the criminal from ever having a chance to do more crimes (the "mad dog" situation), then the execution should be private and as pain free as possible. If the reason is to exact revenge, then the execution should be private, painful, and messy. I think that pretty much covers the reasons for capital punishment.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 22:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114ghp4$24ndu$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147960 |
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 19:20:12 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > If it is going to be used, the method should reflect the reason for > doing so. If the intent is to deter others from committing the same > crime, then the execution should be public and painful. If the > intent is to avoid any chance of the criminal from ever having a > chance to do more crimes (the "mad dog" situation), then the > execution should be private and as pain free as possible. If the > reason is to exact revenge, then the execution should be private, > painful, and messy. At one time, they used to hang pickpockets. It didn’t seem to be much of a deterrent to others committing the same crime. If a legal penalty doesn’t have a deterrent effect, then what point does it have?
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 23:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <tJ0HBv.1C26@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #1147965 |
In article <114ghp4$24ndu$12@dont-email.me>, Lawrence DÿOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 19:20:12 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> If it is going to be used, the method should reflect the reason for >> doing so. If the intent is to deter others from committing the same >> crime, then the execution should be public and painful. If the >> intent is to avoid any chance of the criminal from ever having a >> chance to do more crimes (the "mad dog" situation), then the >> execution should be private and as pain free as possible. If the >> reason is to exact revenge, then the execution should be private, >> painful, and messy. > >At one time, they used to hang pickpockets. It didn’t seem to be much >of a deterrent to others committing the same crime. [Hal Heydt] I'm aware of the stories that pickpockets eagerly worked crowds gathered to watch pickpockets being hanged. Note that I made no claims that deterrence *works*, and--indeed--the evidence I'm aware of is that it doesn't. Further, in present day US, the time from conviction (let along the time since the crime) is so long that it is hard to connect the execution with the criminal act. >If a legal penalty doesn’t have a deterrent effect, then what point >does it have? Deterrence is only one (of three) potential reason that I cited. As I noted, those are the reasons I can think of for imposing capital punishment...not that I agree with any of them. I long since decided that, in the unlikely case that I were on a jury deciding a capital case, (1) I would want to know *why* the state should execute the guilty party, and (2) I would only vote for the death penalty if I am *personnaly* convinced enough that I'd be willing carry it out in person. If you can't convince me to that exetent as a juror, I won't vote for the state to act for me.
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| From | Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 19:02 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114gvo0$2adj9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147965 |
On 7/30/2026 3:04 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 19:20:12 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> If it is going to be used, the method should reflect the reason for >> doing so. If the intent is to deter others from committing the same >> crime, then the execution should be public and painful. If the >> intent is to avoid any chance of the criminal from ever having a >> chance to do more crimes (the "mad dog" situation), then the >> execution should be private and as pain free as possible. If the >> reason is to exact revenge, then the execution should be private, >> painful, and messy. > > At one time, they used to hang pickpockets. It didn’t seem to be much > of a deterrent to others committing the same crime. Famously, pickpockets working the crowd at the public hanging of one or more pickpockets. > > If a legal penalty doesn’t have a deterrent effect, then what point > does it have? -- Qualified immunity = virtual impunity. Tim Merrigan -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-07-30 22:03 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114gvoq$sd0$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147965 |
Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >At one time, they used to hang pickpockets. It didn’t seem to be much >of a deterrent to others committing the same crime. > >If a legal penalty doesn’t have a deterrent effect, then what point >does it have? In the case of the death penalty, it definitely prevents that person from reoffending. It may not deter others, but it definitely stops the original offender. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 04:44 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <tJ0vun.Fo8@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #1147973 |
In article <114gvoq$sd0$1@panix2.panix.com>, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote: >Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>At one time, they used to hang pickpockets. It didn’t seem to be much >>of a deterrent to others committing the same crime. >> >>If a legal penalty doesn’t have a deterrent effect, then what point >>does it have? > >In the case of the death penalty, it definitely prevents that person from >reoffending. It may not deter others, but it definitely stops the original >offender. [Hal Heydt] That's what I refer to as the "mad dog" reason.
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 16:46 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <114hgcr$2fg9b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147973 |
On 31/07/26 12:03, Scott Dorsey wrote: > In the case of the death penalty, it definitely prevents that person > from reoffending. It may not deter others, but it definitely stops > the original offender. It also stops the courts being clogged up with appeals, when new evidence shows that the convicted person was innocent. Overall, I think it's a good thing that all civilised countries have now abolished the death penalty. However, I have some sympathy for reintroducing it for internet scammers, telemarketers, and people who deal in cryptocurrency. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-31 08:09 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) |
| Message-ID | <nd3020Fg0kbU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1147979 |
Le 31/07/2026 à 07:46, Peter Moylan a écrit : > On 31/07/26 12:03, Scott Dorsey wrote: >> >> In the case of the death penalty, it definitely prevents that person >> from reoffending. It may not deter others, but it definitely stops >> the original offender. > > It also stops the courts being clogged up with appeals, when new > evidence shows that the convicted person was innocent. > > Overall, I think it's a good thing that all civilised countries have now > abolished the death penalty. However, I have some sympathy for > reintroducing it for internet scammers, telemarketers, and people who > deal in cryptocurrency. Arsonists too, perhaps, especially if they're also firemen. Scammers, certainly. As I recall, the Lilliputians considered fraud a worse crime than theft, because it exploited the trust that is needed for society to function. Searches… "They look upon fraud as a greater crime than theft, and therefore seldom fail to punish it with death; for they allege, that care and vigilance, with a very common understanding, may preserve a man's goods from thieves, but honesty has no fence against superior cunning; and, since it is necessary that there should be a perpetual intercourse of buying and selling, and dealing upon credit, where fraud is permitted and connived at, or hath no law to punish it, the honest dealer is always undone, and the knave gets the advantage." Anyway…. Oubliettes are, I think, an idea that we have neglected. They, too, prevent knaves reoffending.
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