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| Started by | "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> |
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| First post | 2026-07-18 20:11 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-07-27 12:56 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 445 — 40 participants |
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Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-18 20:11 +0000
Re: Retronym? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-18 20:36 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:49 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-18 16:00 -0700
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 02:18 +0000
Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 10:16 +0100
Re: Retronym? occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-19 14:01 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 08:05 -0400
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 22:09 -0400
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:41 +0000
Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0100
Re: Retronym? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-19 08:59 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:53 +0000
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 15:09 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0000
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 19:36 +0200
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 22:10 -0400
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:50 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 15:47 +0200
Re: Retronym? Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-19 16:47 +0100
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 19:39 +0200
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-19 20:41 +0100
Re: Retronym? kfl@panix.com (Keith F. Lynch) - 2026-07-19 20:22 +0000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-20 12:51 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:55 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 11:27 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:42 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:41 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:04 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:25 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:38 +0200
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 08:03 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 08:36 +0200
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 10:27 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 19:07 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 08:53 +0200
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-22 17:05 +1000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 10:09 +0100
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-22 20:40 +1000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-26 23:11 +0200
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-27 01:16 +0100
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-27 10:33 +1000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-28 13:00 +0100
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-27 09:05 +0200
Re: Retronym? liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-27 10:57 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:05 +0200
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 19:23 +0000
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:17 +0100
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-29 21:46 +1200
Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 06:30 +0530
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-30 17:33 +1200
Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 18:07 +0530
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-30 13:55 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 23:34 +0200
Re: Retronym? Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-07-30 06:39 +0530
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-29 13:48 +1200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:05 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 15:06 +0000
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 15:50 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 16:26 +1000
Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-22 13:11 -0400
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 11:39 -0700
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 16:52 +1000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-24 16:28 +0100
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 10:02 +1000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 23:43 +0200
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 06:25 +0100
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 12:52 -0700
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-19 07:50 -0400
Re: Retronym? The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-19 08:55 -0400
Re: Retronym? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-19 19:59 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:00 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-20 15:22 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 13:29 +1000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-19 11:52 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? kfl@panix.com (Keith F. Lynch) - 2026-07-20 01:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 19:23 -0700
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 06:37 -0700
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:58 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:18 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-07-20 16:30 +0100
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:19 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 11:54 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 12:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-21 13:28 +0100
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-21 18:57 +0000
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 12:57 -0700
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 12:59 -0700
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:42 +0200
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-22 20:10 +0100
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 21:23 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 07:31 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 17:12 +0000
Re: Retronym? Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-22 20:14 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-22 21:48 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 06:43 +0100
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-22 12:23 +0100
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-20 14:46 -0400
Re: Retronym? Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:37 -0700
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 09:07 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 12:24 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:48 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-21 11:59 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-22 09:21 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-23 00:36 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:52 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 22:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:55 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-23 00:19 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 23:20 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-24 06:44 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-24 07:13 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-24 15:54 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:15 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-25 17:26 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 13:28 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:45 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-26 15:30 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:41 +0000
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:21 -0400
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:58 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 02:38 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 02:37 +0000
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 12:34 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:14 +0000
Re: Retronym? Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 20:58 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 02:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-08-04 05:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 06:45 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-04 16:53 +1000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 08:35 +0000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-04 10:49 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:41 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-04 20:29 -0400
Re: Retronym? Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 01:50 -0300
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-04 10:45 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 00:43 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 07:01 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-05 11:42 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-04 20:27 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-04 14:34 +1000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 09:22 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-04 08:40 +0000
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 10:43 +0100
Re: Retronym? Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:09 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-05 22:13 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 05:01 +0200
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-25 13:32 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-24 19:31 -0700
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 13:52 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 08:25 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 23:16 +1000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 14:20 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-23 19:19 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:51 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:17 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:30 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-21 21:49 -0400
Re: Retronym? Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-22 12:21 +0100
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-23 00:36 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 17:16 +1000
Re: Retronym? Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 10:10 +0200
Re: Retronym? Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-23 09:44 -0400
Re: Retronym? Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-23 20:55 +0100
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:06 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 11:20 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 22:53 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 17:16 +0000
Re: Retronym? Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-19 18:37 +1200
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-19 09:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-19 12:04 -0700
Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-19 19:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-20 09:27 +0000
Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-20 19:38 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:10 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 06:10 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 08:11 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-19 07:51 -0400
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 21:54 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-19 20:34 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 23:32 +0200
Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-19 19:44 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 00:48 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 06:38 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 11:07 +0000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 07:20 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-20 14:33 +0000
Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-20 11:31 -0400
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-20 12:50 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 23:02 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-21 07:43 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:31 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-21 21:50 -0400
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-22 07:55 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:02 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-23 07:29 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-23 23:23 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-24 07:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 02:20 +0000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-25 07:38 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-25 22:47 +0000
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 20:59 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:34 -0400
Re: Retronym? Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-25 21:59 -0400
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 00:00 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 05:43 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-26 11:54 +1000
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-26 07:55 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:18 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 19:39 -0400
Re: Retronym? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2026-07-26 23:44 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 08:17 -0400
Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 08:55 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-26 14:02 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:47 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 10:35 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 10:55 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 11:01 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 11:36 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-26 19:31 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-27 06:24 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 08:11 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 14:02 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 13:06 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:25 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 03:12 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 00:21 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 08:10 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 08:46 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-28 14:49 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-28 23:17 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-28 22:36 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 21:14 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 11:44 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:10 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-28 20:33 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 17:08 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:47 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-29 02:19 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-29 17:55 +1000
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 17:22 -0400
Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-29 21:36 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 19:59 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 20:17 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 00:37 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 20:48 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 00:54 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-29 21:49 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 03:57 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 04:39 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:49 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 19:20 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 22:04 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-30 23:31 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-30 19:02 -0700
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-30 22:03 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-31 04:44 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-31 16:46 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-31 08:09 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 13:04 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:27 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:29 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 23:38 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 19:26 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-31 23:48 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:10 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:50 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 21:15 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 20:40 -0400
Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-04 15:42 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-05 09:16 -0400
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 13:30 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:30 +0200
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 15:35 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 18:05 -0400
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-08-05 16:49 +0100
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:06 +0100
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-05 18:23 +0000
Re: Neutrinos (was Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants)) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:42 +1000
Re: Neutrinos (waas Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 22:52 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-03 13:05 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:22 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:52 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:08 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 10:43 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-01 16:05 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 12:04 -0700
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 15:38 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:05 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 09:40 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 10:24 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 18:23 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 13:29 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:57 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 16:33 -0400
Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 21:53 +0200
Re: Life Insurance liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 09:27 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:14 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-08-01 01:00 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:54 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:47 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:14 +1000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-08-02 00:57 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 13:03 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 19:31 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 15:38 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-08-01 00:56 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-01 08:17 +0200
Death Row Exonerations "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 06:52 -0400
Re: Death Row Exonerations "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 11:43 +0000
Re: Death Row Exonerations Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-02 10:23 +1000
Re: Death Row Exonerations Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-02 05:50 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 06:01 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:23 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-30 22:15 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:29 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2026-07-31 18:59 +0000
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 19:17 -0400
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:23 +0200
Re: Life Insurance (was Re: Tomato Plants) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:27 +0000
Re: Life Insurance nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-27 20:13 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-28 07:32 +0200
Re: Tomato Plants Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-27 19:10 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-27 09:33 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 12:43 -0400
Re: Tomato Plants Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-26 12:59 -0700
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-26 23:17 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-27 10:57 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:21 +0000
Re: Tomato Plants liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 09:21 +0100
Re: Tomato Plants athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-26 16:46 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Retronym? athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 10:35 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
Re: Retronym? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 19:57 +0000
Suing News Organizations "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 16:27 -0400
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 23:34 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:28 -0400
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-29 11:15 +1000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-29 11:35 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:49 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-20 23:01 +0000
Re: Retronym? Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-21 09:19 +1000
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 19:33 -0400
Re: Retronym? "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-19 07:03 -0400
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-19 15:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 21:54 +0200
Re: Retronym? Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> - 2026-07-19 19:46 -0400
Re: Retronym? Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-07-21 07:56 +0000
Re: Retronym? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:15 +0200
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 01:33 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-22 23:04 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
Re: Retronym? Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-07-23 05:21 -0700
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-24 01:19 +0000
Re: Retronym? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-24 18:03 -0400
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 04:58 +0000
Re: Retronym? rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2026-07-19 19:49 +0000
Re: Retronym? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 23:07 +0200
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-19 23:49 +0000
Re: Retronym? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 01:13 +0000
Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-26 21:30 -0400
Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-27 02:20 +0000
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 05:24 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 05:38 +0000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-27 10:37 +0000
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 12:52 +0200
Re: Calendars Someone Else <SueDominus@example.com.invalid> - 2026-07-27 21:39 -0400
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:29 +0000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 10:29 +0200
Re: Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 06:44 -0400
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-28 20:35 +0200
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 18:05 +0000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-27 11:33 +0200
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-27 20:36 +1000
Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-27 09:34 -0400
Re: Calendars athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-27 14:05 +0000
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-28 10:55 +1000
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 13:59 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:44 +0000
Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-07-28 19:12 -0400
Prophecy "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 19:39 -0400
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-27 23:28 +0000
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-28 18:12 +0000
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-28 22:46 +0000
Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-07-31 23:53 +0000
Re: Calendars "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 20:05 -0400
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 11:13 +1000
Genealogy of Joseph "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 06:47 -0400
Re: Genealogy of Joseph Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-01 21:08 +1000
Re: Genealogy of Joseph prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) - 2026-08-01 12:34 +0100
Re: Genealogy of Joseph kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-01 10:56 -0400
Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 16:07 +0000
Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 12:26 -0400
Re: Genealogy of Joseph "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-01 20:57 +0000
Re: Calendars richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-01 13:08 +0000
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:31 +0000
Re: Calendars Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-08-01 07:25 +0000
Re: Calendars Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> - 2026-08-01 07:31 +0000
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-02 08:30 +0000
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 11:41 +0200
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 12:28 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-03 05:45 +0000
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 15:30 +0200
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:21 +0200
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 11:45 +0200
Re: Calendars Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> - 2026-08-02 12:41 -0700
Re: Calendars "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2026-08-02 19:49 +0000
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:59 +0200
Re: Calendars "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-02 22:07 +0100
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
Re: Calendars Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 22:03 +0200
Re: Calendars kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-08-02 16:40 -0400
Re: Calendars "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-02 22:09 +0100
Re: Calendars nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 10:41 +0200
Re: Calendars Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-03 05:47 +0000
Re: Calendars Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-03 16:04 +1000
Re: Calendars Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-27 12:56 +0200
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| From | "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 15:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113qm9p$fs8$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147337 |
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >> "The circulation pattern quarantines the Northern and Southern >> Hemispheres, keeping the pollutant-laden northern air dirty and the >> southern air clean. There is some exchange between the two, but >> the process takes a year or two, versus about a week for air to >> circulate within a hemisphere" - >> <https://www.abc.net.au/science/archive/articles/2008/09/29/2377123.htm> For worst results, be sure to build *two* doomsday devices, one in each hemisphere, wired so that if either goes off so does the other. Of course the original idea was that a single doomsday device would be set up to automatically go off if it detects a nuclear war anywhere on Earth. That would effectively deter all possible nuclear wars, hence would keep the world safe. Nothing about that plan could possibly go wrong. Fortunately, for some reason no doomsday device was ever built. Maybe because enough people watched Dr. Strangelove and similar movies. > Another similar dystopian novel, on the other hand -- Down to > a Sunless Sea -- suggested that a refugee plane that headed to > Antarctica was overtaken by radioactive fallout soon after arriving > there. There's something called the logistic curve. It's the integral of its more famous cousin, the bell curve. It implies that for every person who dies because he slipped and hit his head and drowned in his cat's water dish, there's another who survived more than a year floating alone across the Pacific Ocean. For every person who dies because he fell out of his chair, there's another who survived falling tens of thousands of feet without a parachute. For every person who is frightened to death by a harmless Halloween prank, another person survived both the Holodomor and the Holocaust. For every person who was killed by a routine chest X-ray, another survived both the Hiroshima and the Nagasaki nukes. Our species has survived countless plagues, wars, famines, invasions, crimes, evil governments, and natural disasters. Not to mention the Ice Age and the Black Death. It would take a *really* bad day to make us go extinct. If Project Sundial had ever been built, and had gone off, I have no doubt that we would have survived. Not all of us, but some of us. Maybe like in Stapledon's wonderful 1931 novel _Last and First Men_, few enough that the survivors gave rise to a new human species. In that novel -- which is now finally in the public domain hence can be read online for free -- this sort of thing happens 18 times over the next two billion years. -- Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/ Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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| From | athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 15:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1784735405-12588@newsgrouper.org> |
| In reply to | #1147372 |
"Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> posted: > Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: > >> "The circulation pattern quarantines the Northern and Southern > >> Hemispheres, keeping the pollutant-laden northern air dirty and the > >> southern air clean. There is some exchange between the two, but > >> the process takes a year or two, versus about a week for air to > >> circulate within a hemisphere" - > >> <https://www.abc.net.au/science/archive/articles/2008/09/29/2377123.htm> > > For worst results, be sure to build *two* doomsday devices, one in > each hemisphere, wired so that if either goes off so does the other. > > Of course the original idea was that a single doomsday device would be > set up to automatically go off if it detects a nuclear war anywhere on > Earth. That would effectively deter all possible nuclear wars, hence > would keep the world safe. Nothing about that plan could possibly go > wrong. > > Fortunately, for some reason no doomsday device was ever built. Maybe > because enough people watched Dr. Strangelove and similar movies. > > > Another similar dystopian novel, on the other hand -- Down to > > a Sunless Sea -- suggested that a refugee plane that headed to > > Antarctica was overtaken by radioactive fallout soon after arriving > > there. > > There's something called the logistic curve. It's the integral of its > more famous cousin, the bell curve. You presumably mean the Gaussian distribution or normal distribution. However, there are plenty of other ways an approximately bell-shaped curve can arise. The most obvious (for me) is the curve for a bell-shaped pH profile of an enzyme, which looks superficially like a Gaussian curve, but isn't one. > It implies that for every person > who dies because he slipped and hit his head and drowned in his cat's > water dish, there's another who survived more than a year floating > alone across the Pacific Ocean. Hmm. That's a very weird definition of the logistic curve! > For every person who dies because > he fell out of his chair, there's another who survived falling tens > of thousands of feet without a parachute. For every person who is > frightened to death by a harmless Halloween prank, another person > survived both the Holodomor and the Holocaust. For every person who > was killed by a routine chest X-ray, another survived both the > Hiroshima and the Nagasaki nukes. > > Our species has survived countless plagues, wars, famines, invasions, > crimes, evil governments, and natural disasters. Not to mention the > Ice Age and the Black Death. It would take a *really* bad day to make > us go extinct. > > If Project Sundial had ever been built, and had gone off, I have no > doubt that we would have survived. Not all of us, but some of us. > Maybe like in Stapledon's wonderful 1931 novel _Last and First Men_, > few enough that the survivors gave rise to a new human species. In > that novel -- which is now finally in the public domain hence can be > read online for free -- this sort of thing happens 18 times over the > next two billion years. -- athel Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that, with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 16:26 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <113sc6k$3jilm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147373 |
On 23/07/26 01:50, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote: > "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> posted: >> There's something called the logistic curve. It's the integral of >> its more famous cousin, the bell curve. > > You presumably mean the Gaussian distribution or normal distribution. > However, there are plenty of other ways an approximately bell-shaped > curve can arise. The most obvious (for me) is the curve for a > bell-shaped pH profile of an enzyme, which looks superficially like a > Gaussian curve, but isn't one. Another example: you can model calls on a telephone line by assuming a Poisson arrival process, and random departures. It's possible to solve for the probability of N simultaneous calls in progress, and plot this as a function of N. At low traffic levels the curve is asymmetric, but as the traffic level gets moderately high the curve is so close to a Gaussian curve that you can't tell the difference. Statisticians have probably known this since Adam was a pup, but when I first noticed it it was a marvel. I have used this to work out traffic control limits for a mail server. One thing I discovered was that you get correct answers (for where to set the limit) even if you assume Gaussian statistics from the outset, even at low traffic levels where the true distribution is nothing like Gaussian. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 13:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tkt16ld57jvcjr177ec5b66mmvhrgt5qti@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1147372 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 15:06:33 -0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote: > >There's something called the logistic curve. It's the integral of its >more famous cousin, the bell curve. No. The logistic curve, you might say, is based on the distribution of the "logit" which is defined as log(p/q) for the probabilities, p and q-(1-p). The distribution of the logit looks a LOT like the 'bell curve' or gaussian or normal distribution. But it has fatter tails, meaning that extreme instances are more common for the logit. The logistic, these days, is a common alternative to 'normal' in doing regressions with binary outcomes (e.g., in epidemiology). > It implies that for every person >who dies because he slipped and hit his head and drowned in his cat's >water dish, there's another who survived more than a year floating >alone across the Pacific Ocean. For every person who dies because >he fell out of his chair, there's another who survived falling tens >of thousands of feet without a parachute. For every person who is >frightened to death by a harmless Halloween prank, another person >survived both the Holodomor and the Holocaust. For every person who >was killed by a routine chest X-ray, another survived both the >Hiroshima and the Nagasaki nukes. You are describing an (essentially) infinite range, which is (of course) possible if you just talk about small enough probabilities. But the so-called normal curve is also infinite in its range -- I think you were over-impressed by the fact that cumulative tails of the most extreme outcomes shrink faster for the normal than for the logistic. -- Rich Ulrich, resident biostatistician
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| From | Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-22 11:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mn.b2bb7ea758829715.127094@snitoo> |
| In reply to | #1147372 |
Keith F. Lynch presented the following explanation :
> There's something called the logistic curve. It's the integral of its
> more famous cousin, the bell curve.
More explicitly, it's L over (1 + (e raised to k times (x - x0)))
And the AUE connection is that is named (by a French mathematician)
apparently with the idea that
logistic is to logarithmic as arithmetic is to geometric
(Using the "is to" relationship very loosely as some sort of rhetorical
etymology)
This contrasts with "logisitics", made popular by the military and by
shipping firms, which is blamed on the French word "logis" for
lodgings.
/dps (Whippy Pedalia for the obvious citation)
--
"That's a good sort of hectic, innit?"
" Very much so, and I'd recommend the haggis wontons."
-njm
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 16:52 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <113sdod$3k2u9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147380 |
On 23/07/26 04:39, Snidely wrote: > > This contrasts with "logisitics", made popular by the military and by > shipping firms, which is blamed on the French word "logis" for > lodgings. I've probably told this before. I've often driven on the Hume Highway, which is the most direct route between Sydney and Melbourne. Not far from the state border there is a big sign, pointing to a turn off the freeway, to "Logic Centre". It occurred to me that solving logic problems in a rural setting might be a pleasant career change, so one day I turned off the freeway to take a look. It turned out to be a massive warehouse. Apparently someone had decided that "Logic" was a good name for the process of loading supermarket goods onto trucks. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-24 16:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <kuccjmx40e.ln2@news.ducksburg.com> |
| In reply to | #1147424 |
On 2026-07-23, Peter Moylan wrote: > On 23/07/26 04:39, Snidely wrote: >> >> This contrasts with "logisitics", made popular by the military and by >> shipping firms, which is blamed on the French word "logis" for >> lodgings. > > I've probably told this before. I've often driven on the Hume Highway, > which is the most direct route between Sydney and Melbourne. Not far > from the state border there is a big sign, pointing to a turn off the > freeway, to "Logic Centre". It occurred to me that solving logic > problems in a rural setting might be a pleasant career change, so one > day I turned off the freeway to take a look. > > It turned out to be a massive warehouse. Apparently someone had decided > that "Logic" was a good name for the process of loading supermarket > goods onto trucks. Obvious abbreviation for "Logistic", innit? -- XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve the problem, try using more of it.
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-07-25 10:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <1140ue1$134mb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147535 |
On 25/07/26 01:28, Adam Funk wrote: > On 2026-07-23, Peter Moylan wrote: > >> On 23/07/26 04:39, Snidely wrote: >>> >>> This contrasts with "logisitics", made popular by the military and by >>> shipping firms, which is blamed on the French word "logis" for >>> lodgings. >> >> I've probably told this before. I've often driven on the Hume Highway, >> which is the most direct route between Sydney and Melbourne. Not far >> from the state border there is a big sign, pointing to a turn off the >> freeway, to "Logic Centre". It occurred to me that solving logic >> problems in a rural setting might be a pleasant career change, so one >> day I turned off the freeway to take a look. >> >> It turned out to be a massive warehouse. Apparently someone had decided >> that "Logic" was a good name for the process of loading supermarket >> goods onto trucks. > > Obvious abbreviation for "Logistic", innit? Well, yes, in the same sense that "reason" is an abbreviation for "treason". -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 23:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ryq3nf.1hxmpkxegcr7rN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #1147380 |
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote: > Keith F. Lynch presented the following explanation : > > > There's something called the logistic curve. It's the integral of its > > more famous cousin, the bell curve. > > More explicitly, it's L over (1 + (e raised to k times (x - x0))) > > And the AUE connection is that is named (by a French mathematician) > apparently with the idea that Careful! There are Belgians in the house. In perhaps more familiar functions: The logistic function is just the hyperbolic tangent, offset and scaled by a factor 2. The 'hump' to be integrated over is the hyperbolic secant, aka one over the hyperbolic cosine, (up to a factor 2) Jan
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| From | Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-23 06:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ncdmu2F5gelU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1147372 |
Le 22/07/2026 à 16:06, Keith F. Lynch a écrit : > > Our species has survived countless plagues, wars, famines, invasions, > crimes, evil governments, and natural disasters. Not to mention the > Ice Age and the Black Death. It would take a*really* bad day to make > us go extinct. > > If Project Sundial had ever been built, and had gone off, I have no > doubt that we would have survived. Not all of us, but some of us. > Maybe like in Stapledon's wonderful 1931 novel_Last and First Men_, > few enough that the survivors gave rise to a new human species. In > that novel -- which is now finally in the public domain hence can be > read online for free -- this sort of thing happens 18 times over the > next two billion years. Disaster narratives are always from the point of view of the survivors, not from that of those who perish. Their picture of the end of the world is far too rosy. Even The Flood is portrayed from Noah's point of view. From the drowned we hear nothing.
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| From | Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-19 12:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mn.9b047ea7ca2512d5.127094@snitoo> |
| In reply to | #1147133 |
Steve Hayes wrote on 7/19/2026 : [...] > Does anyone know when the "Second World War" was first called that? [...] > > People have been talking about the third one by anticipation, so I > suspect that it will be called that from the start. > The trick is to recognize the start as it happens. The Brinksmanship Scenario suggests that there will be about 15 minutes to recognize that it has started, where as the Snowball Scenario suggests that we'll have been fighting in several hotspots and they'll eventually be recognized as all part of the same conflict. WWI seems to be a third variation ... the Dry Tinder Scenario, and WWII began as what was supposed to be a masterclass in chess. /dps -- "It wasn't just a splash in the pan" -- lectricbikes.com
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-07-19 07:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <113idm0$bma$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147094 |
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote: >Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote: >> I don't know the specifics but I've heard that there was a history >> of "The Great War" written in the 1920s that referred to it as World >> War I, or, maybe The First World War. > >I wouldn't think anyone would call it that before World War II. How >would anyone know there would be a *second* world war? Someone who is skeptical about the War to End All Wars actually ending any wars. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> |
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| Date | 2026-07-19 08:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.44c6933d8b80a17f98a1a0@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #1147094 |
Verily, in article <113hc56$k7f$1@reader1.panix.com>, did kfl@KeithLynch.net deliver unto us this message: > Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote: > > I don't know the specifics but I've heard that there was a history > > of "The Great War" written in the 1920s that referred to it as World > > War I, or, maybe The First World War. > > I wouldn't think anyone would call it that before World War II. How > would anyone know there would be a *second* world war? > They did, actually. There had never been a world war before, at least not in memory, and there is writing from the time referring to it as the first world war. I've even seen it written as "first World War," for those who pay attention to capitalization. -- The meek shall inherit, we're told, But I'm not so easily sold. For supposing they should, It would do them no good -- They'd lose it at once to the bold.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2026-07-19 19:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tIFu6p.pD7@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #1147125 |
In article <MPG.44c6933d8b80a17f98a1a0@news.eternal-september.org>, The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote: >Verily, in article <113hc56$k7f$1@reader1.panix.com>, did >kfl@KeithLynch.net deliver unto us this message: >> Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote: >> > I don't know the specifics but I've heard that there was a history >> > of "The Great War" written in the 1920s that referred to it as World >> > War I, or, maybe The First World War. >> >> I wouldn't think anyone would call it that before World War II. How >> would anyone know there would be a *second* world war? >> > >They did, actually. There had never been a world war before, at least >not in memory, and there is writing from the time referring to it as the >first world war. I've even seen it written as "first World War," for >those who pay attention to capitalization. [Hal Heydt] My maternal grandfather, during the 1930s, refused to trade in old cars on the grounds that they'd be sold, in turn, as scrap metal to the Japanese who would shoot them back at us. He was right... But how many people thought about it that way? (He was, by the way, born in Denmark in 1879 and came to the US in 1906. So he had a more European outlook on the world than many--most?--Americans.)
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 00:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113jof2$p7m2$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147164 |
On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 19:59:13 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > My maternal grandfather, during the 1930s, refused to trade in old > cars on the grounds that they'd be sold, in turn, as scrap metal to > the Japanese who would shoot them back at us. The Japanese were pretty militaristic right through the 1930s, if not before. Remember, they had given the Russians a thrashing in 1905, severely discomfiting many crowned heads throughout Europe, that some upstart non-whites could possibly manage such a thing.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 10:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1ryjfyr.1lok5ht139gcfjN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #1147180 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 19:59:13 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > > My maternal grandfather, during the 1930s, refused to trade in old > > cars on the grounds that they'd be sold, in turn, as scrap metal to > > the Japanese who would shoot them back at us. > > The Japanese were pretty militaristic right through the 1930s, if not > before. Remember, they had given the Russians a thrashing in 1905, > severely discomfiting many crowned heads throughout Europe, that some > upstart non-whites could possibly manage such a thing. The Japanese could not understand why they couldn't become member of the club of colonising imperialist industrial powers. When they did just what the older colonial powers had been routinely doing for a long time there were outcries about their heinous crimes, Jan
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 15:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <113lsh6$8e3$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1147194 |
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: >The Japanese could not understand why they couldn't become member >of the club of colonising imperialist industrial powers. >When they did just what the older colonial powers had been routinely >doing for a long time there were outcries about their heinous crimes, Indeed. The same was true of many newly-freed African nations in the seventies. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2026-07-20 13:29 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <113k4n5$t17f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147164 |
On 20/07/26 05:59, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > [Hal Heydt] My maternal grandfather, during the 1930s, refused to > trade in old cars on the grounds that they'd be sold, in turn, as > scrap metal to the Japanese who would shoot them back at us. > > He was right... But how many people thought about it that way? > > (He was, by the way, born in Denmark in 1879 and came to the US in > 1906. So he had a more European outlook on the world than > many--most?--Americans.) In 1938, Australian dock workers refused to load pig iron onto a ship bound for Japan, claiming that it would be used for the Japanese war effort. The Attorney General, who later because Prime Minister, threatened to send in the army to break the strike. This earned him the name "Pig Iron Bob". -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> |
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| Date | 2026-07-19 11:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <113j6d9$inrp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147094 |
On 7/18/2026 7:18 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote: > Tim Merrigan <tppm@ca.rr.com> wrote: >> I don't know the specifics but I've heard that there was a history >> of "The Great War" written in the 1920s that referred to it as World >> War I, or, maybe The First World War. > > I wouldn't think anyone would call it that before World War II. How > would anyone know there would be a *second* world war? > > ObSF: _Last and First Men_, published in 1931, mentioned "The Great > War," but nothing like World War II. > > Similarly, Queen Elizabeth I, who died in 1603, didn't get her regnal > number until 1952 when Queen Elizabeth II came along. Before that, > she was just Queen Elizabeth. That was why it was worthy of note. He referred to it as World War I before anyone else did. -- Qualified immunity = virtual impunity. Tim Merrigan -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-07-19 23:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <113joas$p7m2$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1147153 |
On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 11:52:24 -0700, Tim Merrigan wrote: > He referred to it as World War I before anyone else did. I think the signs of a potential future conflict were likely not that hard to spot, by those not blinkered by blind loyalty to their respective empires. The First World War seems to me to have been a pointless conflict. It was mainly about established empires (Britain and France) trying to ensure that upstart countries (Germany) could not create their own empires in competition. Each one called up loyal citizens from all over home and colonies to fight, and they came, without questioning what the fight was about -- “My country, right or wrong” was the standard mindset back then. The ANZAC countries (of which I live in one) are fond of commemorating the disastrous Gallipoli campaign. This is where they attacked a country (the Ottoman Empire at the time) which had never shown any hostility towards them, and who gave them a severe thrashing. To this day, the Turks tolerate their turning up every year, and mostly I think tactfully refrain from reminding them who won that battle. The end of that world war left a mess, and the following world war was an attempt to clean up that mess. How successful was it? You be the judge.
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