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  [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-01 11:16 +0100
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-01 12:30 +0200
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-01 21:26 +1000
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-01 12:49 +0000
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-01 16:43 +0100
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-01 17:43 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:11 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-02 11:51 +0100
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 22:57 +1000
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 16:49 +0200
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 09:19 +1000
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:13 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-01 19:31 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-01 22:52 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-01 21:08 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-01 23:13 +0200
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-02 08:16 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:35 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 09:09 +0200
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 12:49 +0200
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-02 14:33 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-02 14:41 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-02 15:58 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-03 09:26 +0100
                            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 09:43 +1000
                              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:15 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 16:12 +0200
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 17:33 +0200
                            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 19:21 +0200
                              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 23:26 +0200
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-04 11:38 +0200
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-04 12:52 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 08:26 +0100
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:33 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:50 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 14:33 +1000
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-02 08:23 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 12:56 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 23:09 +1000
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-02 15:06 +0100
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 09:57 +1000
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:48 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 09:58 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-02 10:22 +0000
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-02 12:04 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:35 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 09:39 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-01 16:46 +0100
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 13:51 -0700
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 09:58 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-03 14:28 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 17:47 -0700
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 17:48 -0700
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 17:50 -0700
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-01 13:55 +0100
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-01 17:06 +0200
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-01 17:15 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-01 19:20 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:11 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-01 19:19 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-01 23:10 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 09:30 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 17:50 +1000
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:00 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:43 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 12:34 -0700
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-02 20:52 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 22:17 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:33 +0100
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 16:27 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 17:19 +0100
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 10:07 +1000
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 19:16 +0100
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-02 18:37 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 22:24 +0100
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-03 09:41 +0100
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:48 +0200
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-03 11:08 +0100
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-03 11:45 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 15:58 +0200
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 15:58 +0200
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-03 16:06 +0100
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-04 19:00 +0100
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-05 05:45 +0100
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-05 06:56 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 09:58 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 09:24 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 17:55 +1000
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 16:29 +0200
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 10:24 +1000
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:56 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-03 08:51 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:44 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:16 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-03 15:12 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-03 14:29 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:08 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-03 20:57 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-03 19:10 +0000
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-03 20:50 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-04 06:50 +0200
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:54 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 14:33 +0100
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 16:54 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 17:45 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:21 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:16 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:16 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:20 +0200
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-01 19:13 +0100
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:45 +0200
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 11:52 +0800
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:15 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:49 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:22 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 06:38 +0100
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:37 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 13:13 +0800
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-05 06:34 +0100

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#1146002

Le 01/07/2026 à 18:20, s|b a écrit :
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 17:15:38 +0100, Hibou wrote:
>> Le 01/07/2026 à 16:06, s|b a écrit :
>>>
>>> Come visit Belgium.
>>
>> Well I might, you know, one day. (It was a candidate for this Autumn,
>> but we're now booked for France again.)
> 
> If you do come, I'd suggest you use Waze. It warns about these
> trajectcontroles (and various other fixed speed cameras) and it's
> perfectly legal to use it.


Thanks. I've made a note of that too.

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#1145979

On 01/07/2026 17:15, Hibou wrote:
> Le 01/07/2026 à 16:06, s|b a écrit :
>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 11:16:19 +0100, Hibou wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't blink or you'll miss a speed-limit sign. In France, the award goes
>>> to the N7 between Lyon and Avignon, which has 120 changes in speed limit
>>> in 100 miles (and a goodly number of radars to issue tickets too).
>>>
>>> Source: JT de France 2 at 20h yesterday:
>>> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/replay-jt/france-2/20-heures/jt-de-20h-du- 
>>> mardi-30-juin-2026_8053049.html>
>>> from 17m 15s - in French, of course.
>>
>> Come visit Belgium.
> 
> 
> Well I might, you know, one day. (It was a candidate for this Autumn, 
> but we're now booked for France again.)
> 
>> We're the king of traffic signs (and bad roads). As
>> for speed limits and fines: they've been installing 'traject controles'
>> everywhere, not always for safety, but for profit. It's a very lucrative
>> business. Two ANPR cameras are placed on a road to measure your speed,
>> so your plates are always registered, even if you're not speeding.
>> People are now being fined for doing 53 km/h in a 50 km/h zone.
> 
> 
> Noted.
> 
> Here a distinction is drawn between 'inappropriate speed' (dangerous in 
> the circumstances) and 'excess speed' (above the limit). More and more, 
> we have automated enforcement of the latter - except that some rules (20 
> mph limits, no entries, forbidden turns… are largely unenforced; the 
> idea seems to be to inconvenience the law-abiding).
> 
Sometimes it's more than inconvenience.
There have been cases where drivers who observe to the speed limit have 
been assaulted by more hasty drivers.

-- 
Sam Plusnet

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#1145985

Op 1/07/2026 om 18:15 schreef Hibou:
> Le 01/07/2026 à 16:06, s|b a écrit :
>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 11:16:19 +0100, Hibou wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't blink or you'll miss a speed-limit sign. In France, the award goes
>>> to the N7 between Lyon and Avignon, which has 120 changes in speed limit
>>> in 100 miles (and a goodly number of radars to issue tickets too).
>>>
>>> Source: JT de France 2 at 20h yesterday:
>>> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/replay-jt/france-2/20-heures/jt-de-20h-du-mardi-30-juin-2026_8053049.html>
>>> from 17m 15s - in French, of course.
>>
>> Come visit Belgium.
> 
> 
> Well I might, you know, one day. (It was a candidate for this Autumn, 
> but we're now booked for France again.)

Welcome if and when.

>> We're the king of traffic signs (and bad roads). As

Just today in Anderlacht I passed a speed limit saying "50" on the 
traffic sign and "30" painted on the road pavement, same place.
Another classic is: announcing "70", and the next one a few hundred 
meters later: "50 (repeat)".
Yet another: (re-)announcing the reference speed just before a rather 
tricky curve, where you're at risk if 'implementing' it.
Yet another: repeating reference speed ("70") just beyond a crossing, 
and 100 m later, lowering to "50" (town area).

>> for speed limits and fines: they've been installing 'traject controles'
>> everywhere, not always for safety, but for profit. It's a very lucrative
>> business. Two ANPR cameras are placed on a road to measure your speed,
>> so your plates are always registered, even if you're not speeding.
>> People are now being fined for doing 53 km/h in a 50 km/h zone.
> 
> 
> Noted.
> 
> Here a distinction is drawn between 'inappropriate speed' (dangerous in 
> the circumstances) and 'excess speed' (above the limit). More and more, 
> we have automated enforcement of the latter - except that some rules (20 
> mph limits, no entries, forbidden turns… are largely unenforced; the 
> idea seems to be to inconvenience the law-abiding).

Inconveniencing the law-abiding (hardly if ever the grand criminals) has 
often seemed to me the core-business of policing actions.

-- 
guido wugi

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#1146011

Den 01.07.2026 kl. 23.10 skrev wugi:

> Another classic is: announcing "70", and the next one a few hundred 
> meters later: "50 (repeat)".

What does "repeat" mean in this context?

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1146013

On 02/07/26 17:30, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Den 01.07.2026 kl. 23.10 skrev wugi:
>
>> Another classic is: announcing "70", and the next one a few hundred
>>  meters later: "50 (repeat)".
>
> What does "repeat" mean in this context?

IIRC the word is "rappel" in French, meaning "reminder". 50 (rappel)
means that the limit was already 50, but they're telling you again in
case you missed the last sign.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1146023

Op 2/07/2026 om 9:50 schreef Peter Moylan:
> On 02/07/26 17:30, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Den 01.07.2026 kl. 23.10 skrev wugi:
>>
>>> Another classic is: announcing "70", and the next one a few hundred
>>>  meters later: "50 (repeat)".
>>
>> What does "repeat" mean in this context?
> 
> IIRC the word is "rappel" in French, meaning "reminder". 50 (rappel)

Yes it would be that.

> means that the limit was already 50, but they're telling you again in
> case you missed the last sign.

Precisely. In Dutch it's "50 (herhaling)", so, repeat.

-- 
guido wugi

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#1146029

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:50:03 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:

> On 02/07/26 17:30, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>
> > What does "repeat" mean in this context?
 
> IIRC the word is "rappel" in French, meaning "reminder". 50 (rappel)
> means that the limit was already 50, but they're telling you again in
> case you missed the last sign.

I wouldn't say that. IMO it's a statement telling you it's still 50,
like the last sign you didn't miss. ;-)

-- 
s|b

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#1146070

On Thursday or thereabouts, s|b asked ...
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:50:03 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>> On 02/07/26 17:30, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> 
>>> What does "repeat" mean in this context?
>  
>> IIRC the word is "rappel" in French, meaning "reminder". 50 (rappel)
>> means that the limit was already 50, but they're telling you again in
>> case you missed the last sign.
>
> I wouldn't say that. IMO it's a statement telling you it's still 50,
> like the last sign you didn't miss. ;-)

So far as I know from the examples I've seen, in the US both signs are 
just "50" and indistinguishable.  The second sign is apt to be after a 
junction, probably a major junction.

/dps

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#1146071

In article <mn.12f27ea75e2ed0b1.127094@snitoo>,
Snidely  <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday or thereabouts, s|b asked ...
>> I wouldn't say that. IMO it's a statement telling you it's still 50,
>> like the last sign you didn't miss. ;-)
>
>So far as I know from the examples I've seen, in the US both signs are 
>just "50" and indistinguishable.  The second sign is apt to be after a 
>junction, probably a major junction.

For route marker assemblies, that's called a "confirmation marker",
but I don't know if there's a name for the analogous speed-limit sign.
It's the same R2-1 sign either way, and MUTCD at least doesn't seem to
distinguish these repeat speed-limit signs from those that are posted
at the beginning of a speed zone.

-GAWollman

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#1146073

On 02/07/2026 20:34, Snidely wrote:
> On Thursday or thereabouts, s|b asked ...
>> On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 17:50:03 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/07/26 17:30, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>>
>>>> What does "repeat" mean in this context?
>>
>>> IIRC the word is "rappel" in French, meaning "reminder". 50 (rappel)
>>> means that the limit was already 50, but they're telling you again in
>>> case you missed the last sign.
>>
>> I wouldn't say that. IMO it's a statement telling you it's still 50,
>> like the last sign you didn't miss. ;-)
> 
> So far as I know from the examples I've seen, in the US both signs are 
> just "50" and indistinguishable.  The second sign is apt to be after a 
> junction, probably a major junction.

The UK doesn't use "rappel".
However the speed sign at the start of the limit is large and 'repeat' 
signs are smaller.

-- 
Sam Plusnet

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#1146032

Le 02/07/2026 à 08:50, Peter Moylan a écrit :
> On 02/07/26 17:30, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Den 01.07.2026 kl. 23.10 skrev wugi:
>>>
>>> Another classic is: announcing "70", and the next one a few hundred
>>>  meters later: "50 (repeat)".
>>
>> What does "repeat" mean in this context?
> 
> IIRC the word is "rappel" in French, meaning "reminder". 50 (rappel)
> means that the limit was already 50, but they're telling you again in
> case you missed the last sign.


The sensible British rule is that if there are street lamps less than 
200 yards apart, the limit is 30 mph. No need for a 'rappel' unless 
signs impose a different limit. Simples!

"The Department has no plans to update legislation to allow 30mph speed 
limit repeater signs on roads with street lighting. Repeater signing is 
not used on street lit roads subject to a 30mph speed limit because the 
lamp columns act as the repeaters. Guidance is provided in rule 124 of 
the Highway Code. This has been law for over 70 years and all drivers 
are required to learn this in order to pass their driving test" -
<https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2025-12-01/95755>

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#1146042

Den 02.07.2026 kl. 14.33 skrev Hibou:

> The sensible British rule is that if there are street lamps less than 
> 200 yards apart, the limit is 30 mph. No need for a 'rappel' unless 
> signs impose a different limit. Simples!

In Denmark the 50 km/h limit is announced when you enter a city, town or 
village. No reminders.

Here's an example:

https://dinavis.dk/samfund/ECE14684614/flyttet-byskilt-giver-hoejere-fart-i-landsby/

Outside towns there are only signs with a number unless old signs have 
survived:

https://www.magacin.dk/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/60-kmt.jpg.webp


They will be repeated if necessary with irregular intervals, sometimes a 
kilometer.

I sometimes I see illogical signs like a sign disabling a limit of 70 
km/h ten meters before a town-sign meaning "50 km/h".

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1146055

Le 02/07/2026 à 15:27, Bertel Lund Hansen a écrit :
> Den 02.07.2026 kl. 14.33 skrev Hibou:
>>
>> The sensible British rule is that if there are street lamps less than 
>> 200 yards apart, the limit is 30 mph. No need for a 'rappel' unless 
>> signs impose a different limit. Simples!
> 
> In Denmark the 50 km/h limit is announced when you enter a city, town or 
> village. No reminders. [...]


Aye, well, 'sensible' was a wee bitty tongue-in-cheek, right enough.

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#1146082

On 03/07/26 00:27, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>
> I sometimes I see illogical signs like a sign disabling a limit of 70
>  km/h ten meters before a town-sign meaning "50 km/h".

There's a main road near me where the limit is 70 km/h, dropping to 60
near busy intersections. But the road passes a school, and the limit
near schools is 40 (at certain times of day). So there's one stretch,
not far from our house, where the limit goes from 60 to 40, then back to
60 for about fifty metres, and then back to 70.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1146063

On 02/07/2026 13:33, Hibou wrote:
> Le 02/07/2026 à 08:50, Peter Moylan a écrit :
>> On 02/07/26 17:30, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>> Den 01.07.2026 kl. 23.10 skrev wugi:
>>>>
>>>> Another classic is: announcing "70", and the next one a few hundred
>>>>  meters later: "50 (repeat)".
>>>
>>> What does "repeat" mean in this context?
>>
>> IIRC the word is "rappel" in French, meaning "reminder". 50 (rappel)
>> means that the limit was already 50, but they're telling you again in
>> case you missed the last sign.
> 
> 
> The sensible British rule is that if there are street lamps less than 
> 200 yards apart, the limit is 30 mph. No need for a 'rappel' unless 
> signs impose a different limit. Simples!
> 
> "The Department has no plans to update legislation to allow 30mph speed 
> limit repeater signs on roads with street lighting. Repeater signing is 
> not used on street lit roads subject to a 30mph speed limit because the 
> lamp columns act as the repeaters. Guidance is provided in rule 124 of 
> the Highway Code. This has been law for over 70 years and all drivers 
> are required to learn this in order to pass their driving test" -
> <https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/ 
> detail/2025-12-01/95755>
> 
Objection M'Lud!  'Round 'ere that limit is more likely to be 20mph - 
but I agree about the foolishness of such a scheme for determining the 
speed limit.

If this scheme was adopted in a number of other countries, I wonder if 
new cars would have some feature which attempted to identify street 
lamps, and measure the interval between them?

-- 
Sam Plusnet

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#1146068

In article <9Wx1S.2$ZV0f.0@fx09.ams1>, Sam Plusnet  <not@home.com> wrote:

>> The sensible British rule is that if there are street lamps less than 
>> 200 yards apart, the limit is 30 mph. No need for a 'rappel' unless 
>> signs impose a different limit. Simples!

[...]

>Objection M'Lud!  'Round 'ere that limit is more likely to be 20mph - 
>but I agree about the foolishness of such a scheme for determining the 
>speed limit.

Overruled.  That's just an example of the quoted rule - where the
limit is 20 rather then 30, you should find regular signs for it.
When it changes from 20 to 30, there's one sign then no reminders.

Reminders aren't marked as such, but are usually smaller.

-- Richard

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#1146074

On 02/07/2026 19:37, Richard Tobin wrote:
> In article <9Wx1S.2$ZV0f.0@fx09.ams1>, Sam Plusnet  <not@home.com> wrote:
> 
>>> The sensible British rule is that if there are street lamps less than
>>> 200 yards apart, the limit is 30 mph. No need for a 'rappel' unless
>>> signs impose a different limit. Simples!
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Objection M'Lud!  'Round 'ere that limit is more likely to be 20mph -
>> but I agree about the foolishness of such a scheme for determining the
>> speed limit.
> 
> Overruled.  That's just an example of the quoted rule - where the
> limit is 20 rather then 30, you should find regular signs for it.
> When it changes from 20 to 30, there's one sign then no reminders.

I note your use of "should".
When the 20mph limits were introduced here (Wales) a large number of 
those signs[1] were either painted out or turned around so they were not 
visible.  That was 3 years ago and most are still in that state.

[1] Comment limited to those signs I encounter.>
> Reminders aren't marked as such, but are usually smaller.

-- 
Sam Plusnet

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#1146106

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 22:24:02 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 02/07/2026 19:37, Richard Tobin wrote:
> > In article <9Wx1S.2$ZV0f.0@fx09.ams1>, Sam Plusnet  <not@home.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>> The sensible British rule is that if there are street lamps less than
> >>> 200 yards apart, the limit is 30 mph. No need for a 'rappel' unless
> >>> signs impose a different limit. Simples!
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> >> Objection M'Lud!  'Round 'ere that limit is more likely to be 20mph -
> >> but I agree about the foolishness of such a scheme for determining the
> >> speed limit.
> > 
> > Overruled.  That's just an example of the quoted rule - where the
> > limit is 20 rather then 30, you should find regular signs for it.
> > When it changes from 20 to 30, there's one sign then no reminders.
> 
> I note your use of "should".
> When the 20mph limits were introduced here (Wales) a large number of 
> those signs[1] were either painted out or turned around so they were not 
> visible.  That was 3 years ago and most are still in that state.
> 
> [1] Comment limited to those signs I encounter.>
> > Reminders aren't marked as such, but are usually smaller.
> 
They're a wild lot up in them thar hills. Our road is on a straight
section with a 20 limit. We get the occasional delivery van and a few
teachers doing 20 or below. Most do c.28, the loons up the hill (other
hills are readily available around here) usually go at c.37, with the odd
extreme idiot doing 50+. We did look into getting the council to install a
speedcam after our car was smashed into, but it's a lot of faff. 


-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#1146114

Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> In article <9Wx1S.2$ZV0f.0@fx09.ams1>, Sam Plusnet  <not@home.com> wrote:
> 
> >> The sensible British rule is that if there are street lamps less than
> >> 200 yards apart, the limit is 30 mph. No need for a 'rappel' unless
> >> signs impose a different limit. Simples!
> 
> [...]
> 
> >Objection M'Lud!  'Round 'ere that limit is more likely to be 20mph -
> >but I agree about the foolishness of such a scheme for determining the
> >speed limit.
> 
> Overruled.  That's just an example of the quoted rule - where the
> limit is 20 rather then 30, you should find regular signs for it.
> When it changes from 20 to 30, there's one sign then no reminders.

Practice in these parts is that speed limits should be recognisable
to motorists by the structure of the road.
(so the presence of bumps, chicanes, or wide bicycle paths)

Simply changing road signs to read 30 instead of 50 won't do,

Jan

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#1146121

J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

> Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <9Wx1S.2$ZV0f.0@fx09.ams1>, Sam Plusnet  <not@home.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >> The sensible British rule is that if there are street lamps less than
> > >> 200 yards apart, the limit is 30 mph. No need for a 'rappel' unless
> > >> signs impose a different limit. Simples!
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > >Objection M'Lud!  'Round 'ere that limit is more likely to be 20mph -
> > >but I agree about the foolishness of such a scheme for determining the
> > >speed limit.
> > 
> > Overruled.  That's just an example of the quoted rule - where the
> > limit is 20 rather then 30, you should find regular signs for it.
> > When it changes from 20 to 30, there's one sign then no reminders.
> 
> Practice in these parts is that speed limits should be recognisable
> to motorists by the structure of the road.
> (so the presence of bumps, chicanes, or wide bicycle paths)

That wouldn't work in England.  All roads have bumps of some
description; in towns and villages there are dozens of chicaines created
by badly-parked cars and there are hardly any bicycle paths along roads
because we don't have many bicycle users.

-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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