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  [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-01 11:16 +0100
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-01 12:30 +0200
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-01 21:26 +1000
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-01 12:49 +0000
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-01 16:43 +0100
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-01 17:43 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:11 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-02 11:51 +0100
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 22:57 +1000
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 16:49 +0200
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 09:19 +1000
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:13 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-01 19:31 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-01 22:52 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-01 21:08 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-01 23:13 +0200
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-02 08:16 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:35 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 09:09 +0200
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 12:49 +0200
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-02 14:33 +0100
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-02 14:41 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-02 15:58 +0100
                              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-03 09:26 +0100
                            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 09:43 +1000
                              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:15 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 16:12 +0200
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 17:33 +0200
                            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 19:21 +0200
                              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 23:26 +0200
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-04 11:38 +0200
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-04 12:52 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 08:26 +0100
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:33 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:50 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 14:33 +1000
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-02 08:23 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 12:56 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 23:09 +1000
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-02 15:06 +0100
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 09:57 +1000
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:48 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 09:58 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-02 10:22 +0000
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-02 12:04 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:35 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 09:39 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-01 16:46 +0100
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 13:51 -0700
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 09:58 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-03 14:28 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 17:47 -0700
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 17:48 -0700
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 17:50 -0700
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-01 13:55 +0100
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-01 17:06 +0200
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-01 17:15 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-01 19:20 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:11 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-01 19:19 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-01 23:10 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 09:30 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 17:50 +1000
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:00 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:43 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 12:34 -0700
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-02 20:52 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 22:17 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:33 +0100
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 16:27 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 17:19 +0100
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 10:07 +1000
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 19:16 +0100
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-02 18:37 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 22:24 +0100
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-03 09:41 +0100
                    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:48 +0200
                      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-03 11:08 +0100
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-03 11:45 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 15:58 +0200
                        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 15:58 +0200
                          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-03 16:06 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 09:58 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 09:24 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 17:55 +1000
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 16:29 +0200
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 10:24 +1000
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:56 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-03 08:51 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:44 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:16 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-03 15:12 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-03 14:29 +0100
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:08 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-03 20:57 +0200
                  Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-03 19:10 +0000
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-03 20:50 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-04 06:50 +0200
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:54 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 14:33 +0100
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 16:54 +0200
              Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 17:45 +0200
                Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:21 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:16 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:16 +0200
            Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:20 +0200
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-01 19:13 +0100
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:45 +0200
    Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 11:52 +0800
      Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:15 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:49 +0100
        Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:22 +0200
          Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 06:38 +0100

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#1146020

Op 2/07/2026 om 9:09 schreef Bertel Lund Hansen:
> Den 02.07.2026 kl. 08.35 skrev athel.cb@gmail.com:
> 
>> Our usual source of information about all things Danish has been very 
>> silent
>> in his discussion. I seem to recall that Danish is more extreme than 
>> French
>> in counting by twenties.
> 
> I've made this page which explains the origin of our slightly weird 
> numbers:
> 
>        https://tools.lundhansen.dk/Danish_numbers.html

Pas nu valt mijn frank (just now the little coin has dropped:-).
I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin of 
your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.

-- 
guido wugi

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#1146036

On 02/07/2026 11:49, wugi wrote:

> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin of 
> your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.
> 

Which reminds me that when I was but a wee lad, my bus fare to school 
was three ha'pence (1½d). That usage has died out AFAIKT.

-- 
Phil B

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#1146044

Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> posted:

> On 02/07/2026 11:49, wugi wrote:
> 
> > I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin of 
> > your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.
> > 
> 
> Which reminds me that when I was but a wee lad, my bus fare to school 
> was three ha'pence (1½d). That usage has died out AFAIKT.
> 
Lucky you. No bus for me when I was but a wee lad. 1½ km walk up a steepish hill,
unaccompanied.

-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada 

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#1146048

On 02/07/2026 15:41, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> posted:
> 
>> On 02/07/2026 11:49, wugi wrote:
>>
>>> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin of
>>> your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.
>>>
>>
>> Which reminds me that when I was but a wee lad, my bus fare to school
>> was three ha'pence (1½d). That usage has died out AFAIKT.
>>
> Lucky you. No bus for me when I was but a wee lad. 1½ km walk up a steepish hill,
> unaccompanied.
> 

(Yorkshire> You were lucky! </Yorkshire>

-- 
Phil B

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#1146105

On Thu, 2 Jul 2026 15:58:08 +0100
Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> wrote:

> On 02/07/2026 15:41, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> posted:
> > 
> >> On 02/07/2026 11:49, wugi wrote:
> >>
> >>> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin of
> >>> your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Which reminds me that when I was but a wee lad, my bus fare to school
> >> was three ha'pence (1½d). That usage has died out AFAIKT.
> >>
> > Lucky you. No bus for me when I was but a wee lad. 1½ km walk up a steepish hill,
> > unaccompanied.
> > 
> 
> (Yorkshire> You were lucky! </Yorkshire>
> 
Aye, 'appen. My dad had to walk (checks) 1.9 miles to school. and later
also supervise/ cajole his brother doing the same route. 1.5 miles of main
road, 0.5 of narrower but straight minor road then up and over the
canal. 

Of course traffic would have been less in the 30's, but still a long walk
in the rain/snow.



-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#1146080

On 03/07/26 00:41, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> posted:
>> On 02/07/2026 11:49, wugi wrote:
>>
>>> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a
>>> twin of your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means
>>> other, not second.
>>>
>>
>> Which reminds me that when I was but a wee lad, my bus fare to
>> school was three ha'pence (1½d). That usage has died out AFAIKT.
>>
> Lucky you. No bus for me when I was but a wee lad. 1½ km walk up a
> steepish hill, unaccompanied.

One mile for me, almost exactly. I took the bus for my first year, at
the age of 5, and my mother asked an older child to make sure I got off
at the correct stop. The following year I was considered to be old
enough to walk unaccompanied. A couple of years later I was teaching the
route to my siblings.

One of my grandfathers used to tell us how he had to walk home from
school up a very steep hill. It was so tiring that they had to stop and
rest under an enormous tree. Eventually we visited the (very small) town
where he lived as a child. It was about a hundred metres from the school
to the tree, and about another hundred metres from the tree to his home.
The slope of the hill was almost imperceptible.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1146126

Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> posted:

> On 03/07/26 00:41, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> > Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> posted:
> >> On 02/07/2026 11:49, wugi wrote:
> >>
> >>> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a
> >>> twin of your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means
> >>> other, not second.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Which reminds me that when I was but a wee lad, my bus fare to
> >> school was three ha'pence (1½d). That usage has died out AFAIKT.
> >>
> > Lucky you. No bus for me when I was but a wee lad. 1½ km walk up a
> > steepish hill, unaccompanied.
> 
> One mile for me, almost exactly.

Actually it was the same for me. I wrote 1½ km to have the opportunity to type 
1½, something I hadn't realized I could do until I saw Phil's post.
.
> I took the bus for my first year, at
> the age of 5, and my mother asked an older child to make sure I got off
> at the correct stop. The following year I was considered to be old
> enough to walk unaccompanied. A couple of years later I was teaching the
> route to my siblings.
> 
> One of my grandfathers used to tell us how he had to walk home from
> school up a very steep hill. It was so tiring that they had to stop and
> rest under an enormous tree. Eventually we visited the (very small) town
> where he lived as a child. It was about a hundred metres from the school
> to the tree, and about another hundred metres from the tree to his home.
> The slope of the hill was almost imperceptible.

Mine was a real hill. The school was at 100 m, whereas our house was at about
30 m. We had a teacher who came every day from Torquay. He said he climbed
Mt Everest about twice a year. He was a retired priest, and had had a rural
parish in the middle of nowhere, larger in area than Devon. More exactly, it
was around Muttaburra, Queensland.
> 


-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada 

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#1146040

Den 02.07.2026 kl. 12.49 skrev wugi:

>> I've made this page which explains the origin of our slightly weird 
>> numbers:
>>
>>        https://tools.lundhansen.dk/Danish_numbers.html
> 
> Pas nu valt mijn frank (just now the little coin has dropped:-).
> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin of 
> your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.

"Anden" menas both "other" and "second" where both meanings are current, 
but in the number context it's "second". Check if "ander" has a history 
of meaning "second".

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1146050

Op 2/07/2026 om 16:12 schreef Bertel Lund Hansen:
> Den 02.07.2026 kl. 12.49 skrev wugi:
> 
>>> I've made this page which explains the origin of our slightly weird 
>>> numbers:
>>>
>>>        https://tools.lundhansen.dk/Danish_numbers.html
>>
>> Pas nu valt mijn frank (just now the little coin has dropped:-).
>> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin 
>> of your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.
> 
> "Anden" menas both "other" and "second" where both meanings are current, 
> but in the number context it's "second". Check if "ander" has a history 
> of meaning "second".

Originally "an-þara-" (a comparative) meant "the other of two".
In contrast with "al-", "another of many":
E. "else" °, L. "alius, alter", Gr. "allos"...

In West-Germanic only the meaning "ander/other" was maintained.

° In Dutch, "elsewhere" is a comparative "elders" < "el-re-s".

The -t- in the 'dual' comparatives OG "an-þara-", L. "al-ter"... 
(instead of -er) look to me like 'dualis' particles.

https://etymologiebank.nl/trefwoord/ander
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=other

-- 
guido wugi

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#1146057

Den 02.07.2026 kl. 17.33 skrev wugi:

>>>> I've made this page which explains the origin of our slightly weird 
>>>> numbers:
>>>>
>>>>        https://tools.lundhansen.dk/Danish_numbers.html
>>>
>>> Pas nu valt mijn frank (just now the little coin has dropped:-).
>>> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin 
>>> of your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.
>>
>> "Anden" menas both "other" and "second" where both meanings are 
>> current, but in the number context it's "second". Check if "ander" has 
>> a history of meaning "second".
> 
> Originally "an-þara-" (a comparative) meant "the other of two".

The concept of "two" is in the word "ander", and "anderhalf" makes no 
sense unless the explanation is identical to what I explain about 
"halvanden".

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1146075

Op 2/07/2026 om 19:21 schreef Bertel Lund Hansen:
> Den 02.07.2026 kl. 17.33 skrev wugi:
> 
>>>>> I've made this page which explains the origin of our slightly weird 
>>>>> numbers:
>>>>>
>>>>>        https://tools.lundhansen.dk/Danish_numbers.html
>>>>
>>>> Pas nu valt mijn frank (just now the little coin has dropped:-).
>>>> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin 
>>>> of your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not 
>>>> second.
>>>
>>> "Anden" menas both "other" and "second" where both meanings are 
>>> current, but in the number context it's "second". Check if "ander" 
>>> has a history of meaning "second".
>>
>> Originally "an-þara-" (a comparative) meant "the other of two".
> 
> The concept of "two" is in the word "ander", and "anderhalf" makes no 
> sense unless the explanation is identical to what I explain about 
> "halvanden".

As I (more or less) quoted there was a double concept "other-of-two". 
The West-Germanic languages stuck with the "other" half (°), 
Skandinavian with the "2-th, 2-nd" half. ;-)

(°) Apart from some "petrified expressions" as we call them, like
eenmaal, andermaal (one time, second time); anderhalf (one and a half), 
usually een-en-[een]-half in Flemish.

-- 
guido wugi

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#1146177

wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> wrote:

> Op 2/07/2026 om 9:09 schreef Bertel Lund Hansen:
> > Den 02.07.2026 kl. 08.35 skrev athel.cb@gmail.com:
> > 
> >> Our usual source of information about all things Danish has been very
> >> silent
> >> in his discussion. I seem to recall that Danish is more extreme than
> >> French
> >> in counting by twenties.
> > 
> > I've made this page which explains the origin of our slightly weird
> > numbers:
> > 
> >        https://tools.lundhansen.dk/Danish_numbers.html
> 
> Pas nu valt mijn frank (just now the little coin has dropped:-).

That would be a 'kwartje' in Dutch. (so a 25 cent coin)
(from coin machines)
Those machines did hang sometimes, and you might have to wait for the
'kwartje' to fall.
Did you ever have slot machines that sold something
for just one Belgian Frank? [1]

> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin of
> your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.

It dates back to the existence of half cent coins.
(and half-stuiver ones)
'Anderhalve cent' was used mockingly for very unequal couples.
Also for bicycles, compare English 'penny-farthing',
aka high wheeler,

Jan

[1] Just wondering, did you ever have Half-Frank coins,
rather than French-inspired 50 centime ones?

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#1146187

Op 4/07/2026 om 11:38 schreef J. J. Lodder:
> wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Op 2/07/2026 om 9:09 schreef Bertel Lund Hansen:
>>> Den 02.07.2026 kl. 08.35 skrev athel.cb@gmail.com:
>>>
>>>> Our usual source of information about all things Danish has been very
>>>> silent
>>>> in his discussion. I seem to recall that Danish is more extreme than
>>>> French
>>>> in counting by twenties.
>>>
>>> I've made this page which explains the origin of our slightly weird
>>> numbers:
>>>
>>>         https://tools.lundhansen.dk/Danish_numbers.html
>>
>> Pas nu valt mijn frank (just now the little coin has dropped:-).
> 
> That would be a 'kwartje' in Dutch. (so a 25 cent coin)
> (from coin machines)

Yes in realizing, gaining insight, the Dutch have always been a little 
bit more expensive ;o)

> Those machines did hang sometimes, and you might have to wait for the
> 'kwartje' to fall.
> Did you ever have slot machines that sold something
> for just one Belgian Frank? [1]

Possibly. Where 1-frank coins (and less) were accepted for input, of course.

>> I hadn't really thought about our "anderhalf" for 1 1/2: it's a twin of
>> your "halvanden". Only that our "ander" just means other, not second.
> 
> It dates back to the existence of half cent coins.
> (and half-stuiver ones)
> 'Anderhalve cent' was used mockingly for very unequal couples.
> Also for bicycles, compare English 'penny-farthing',
> aka high wheeler,
> 
> Jan
> 
> [1] Just wondering, did you ever have Half-Frank coins,
> rather than French-inspired 50 centime ones?

Even 1 centiem coins. I for myself remember 25 centiem coins that were 
perforated, but there have been others:
https://www.fotoboekdeedee.be/munten/belgischefrank/indexbelgischemunten.html 
;
https://collector-items.com/belgie

-- 
guido wugi

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#1146010

Le 01/07/2026 à 21:52, wugi a écrit :
> Op 1/07/2026 om 19:31 schreef s|b:
>>
>> I've never heard of 'octante'. In Flemish schools we are taught
>> 'quartre-vingt'. I remember a teacher telling us about 'nonante' and
>> forbidding us to use it. I believe they still use it in Wallonia.
> 
> Septante, quatre-vingt, nonante are standard in Belgian French.
> 
> Go try to write down dictated numbers containing soixante-dix-huit and 
> quatre-vingt-dix-neuf. I love to confuse the French with septante-dix- 
> six and nonante-dix-onze.


Yes. Given the four-twenties-nineteen nonsense, it's curious that the 
French choose to spell their telephone numbers out in pairs, instead of 
digit-by-digit as we do (Whitehall one-two-one-two, oh-one-two-one 
five-double-one…).

What did Horace say, Winnie? « Quatre-vingt-dix-neuf », 99, or « 
Quatre-vingts dix-neuf », 80 19?

It's just asking for trouble.

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#1146027

On Wed, 1 Jul 2026 22:52:08 +0200, wugi wrote:

> Septante, quatre-vingt, nonante are standard in Belgian French.

In Wallonia (and Brussels) perhaps. In Flanders we are taught
soixante-dix, quatre-vingt and quatre-vingt-dix.
 
> Go try to write down dictated numbers containing soixante-dix-huit and 
> quatre-vingt-dix-neuf. I love to confuse the French with 
> septante-dix-six and nonante-dix-onze.

 :-)

-- 
s|b

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#1145998

On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 16:43:21 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
wrote:

>On 2026-07-01, athel.cb  gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> posted:
>>
>>> On 01/07/26 20:30, occam wrote:
>>> 
>>> > (I dismiss it as the signage of a peoples who think 'four twenty &
>>> > ten nine" is a rational way of saying '99'. )
>>> 
>>> I once worked for three months in Paris. I occupied the desk of someone
>>> who had moved to another section, so had to field lots of phone calls
>>> for him. Unfortunately, the phone number had several eights and nines in it.
>>
>> Ha. You'd love my telephone number, which isn't zero four, four twenties twelve, 
>> sixty ten eight, zero nine, four twenties six, but resembles that.
>>> 
>>> My French is heavily influenced by Belgian French, so I'm comfortable
>>> with words like "nonante".
>>
>> Do you also have "septante" in Belgian French? I never remember. I think 
>> "octante" and "huitante" only survive in Switzerland.
>
>I thought "huitante" was Belgian & "octante" was Swiss, but Wikipedia
>says "huitante" is Swiss & "octante" used to be Belgian (in some
>parts).

A bit like "shiyangalolunye" which is Zulu for 'nine" -- "ten minus
one".


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#1146000

On 02/07/26 13:50, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 16:43:21 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
> wrote:

>> I thought "huitante" was Belgian & "octante" was Swiss, but Wikipedia
>> says "huitante" is Swiss & "octante" used to be Belgian (in some
>> parts).
>
> A bit like "shiyangalolunye" which is Zulu for 'nine" -- "ten minus
> one".

So the same as Roman IX.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1146006

On 02/07/2026 06:33, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 02/07/26 13:50, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 16:43:21 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
>> wrote:
> 
>>> I thought "huitante" was Belgian & "octante" was Swiss, but Wikipedia
>>> says "huitante" is Swiss & "octante" used to be Belgian (in some
>>> parts).
>>
>> A bit like "shiyangalolunye" which is Zulu for 'nine" -- "ten minus
>> one".
> 
> So the same as Roman IX.
> 

This reminds me of cartoon caption with two Centurions (presumably in
Britain).

[Centurion] "No, no, he was not giving you the finger. He was just
high-fiving you" .

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#1146016

Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

> On 02/07/26 13:50, Steve Hayes wrote:
> > On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 16:43:21 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
> > wrote:
> 
> >> I thought "huitante" was Belgian & "octante" was Swiss, but Wikipedia
> >> says "huitante" is Swiss & "octante" used to be Belgian (in some
> >> parts).
> >
> > A bit like "shiyangalolunye" which is Zulu for 'nine" -- "ten minus
> > one".
> 
> So the same as Roman IX.

But the Romans didn't say that. It is merely notation,
(derived from the abacus)

Jan

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#1146021

Op 2/07/2026 om 6:33 schreef Peter Moylan:
> On 02/07/26 13:50, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 16:43:21 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
>> wrote:
> 
>>> I thought "huitante" was Belgian & "octante" was Swiss, but Wikipedia
>>> says "huitante" is Swiss & "octante" used to be Belgian (in some
>>> parts).
>>
>> A bit like "shiyangalolunye" which is Zulu for 'nine" -- "ten minus
>> one".
> 
> So the same as Roman IX.

We're lucky to watch a bit of the great Maigret series with Bruno Cremer 
on television. The titles put the date of 1992 as
MIXCLXXXXII.
Is IXC acceptable for 900? Looks rather as 91 to me. Why not
MCMXCII
as you'd expect?

-- 
guido wugi

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