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  [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-17 14:31 +0100
    Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-17 18:01 +0200
      Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-17 17:10 +0000
        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 13:59 -0400
          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-06-17 19:09 +0000
            Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 15:43 -0400
              Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 21:54 +0100
                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 17:28 -0400
                  Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 23:00 +0100
          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-18 13:48 +0000
            Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 19:56 -0400
              Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-19 06:51 +0100
                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-19 16:47 +1000
                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-06-20 03:26 +0200
                  Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 23:37 -0400
                  Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-20 07:06 +0100
                    Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-20 07:08 +0100
                    Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-06-21 05:33 +0200
                      Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-21 06:08 +0100
                        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-21 08:27 +0200
                        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-06-21 12:49 +0100
                          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-22 06:30 +0100
                        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-06-21 19:05 +0100
                          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-22 07:42 +1000
                            Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-22 06:27 +0100
                          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-22 12:37 +0100
                            Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-23 08:33 +0200
                              Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-23 10:04 +0000
                                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-23 20:32 +1000
                              Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-23 13:36 +0100
                                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-06-23 15:26 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-24 01:16 +0200
                                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-06-23 15:29 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-23 16:34 +0100
                                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 14:03 -0700
                                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-06-24 09:41 +0100
                                  Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-24 10:54 +0200
                                    Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-06-25 11:59 +0100
                              Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-06-24 04:44 +0530
                                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-24 12:29 +0200
                        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-06-22 14:13 +0200
                          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-06-22 13:16 +0000
                            Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-06-22 16:03 +0100
            Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-06-19 09:05 +0200
              Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-19 17:31 +1000
      Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-06-17 17:30 +0000
        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-17 21:15 +0200
        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-06-18 14:26 +0100
        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-06-18 22:00 +0100
      Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-18 06:48 +0100
        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-18 06:51 +0100
        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-18 08:28 +0200
          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-18 08:06 +0100
    Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 12:26 -0700
      Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-06-18 09:26 +0100
        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-06-18 10:59 +0200
          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2026-06-18 09:13 +0000
            Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 12:49 +0100
        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-06-18 20:49 +1000
          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-06-22 16:07 +0100
        Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-06-19 13:26 +0200
          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 13:17 +0100
          Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-06-22 13:52 +0100
            Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-06-22 22:05 +0100
              Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-06-23 06:58 +0100
                Re: [OT] You've never had it so bad Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-06-24 05:45 +0200

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#1145650

On 21 Jun 2026, Hibou wrote

-snip-
 
> That's true. If you look at the whole process, though, technology
> is applied to more steps and has become more complicated. Driving
> to the station in a 2020s car involves a lot of electronics that
> weren't on a 1950s bicycle, or even in a 1950s car. The station
> very likely no longer has staff, but mechanical-electronic
> barriers linked to billing computers. The train is electric,
> controlled by electronics, with electronic signalling, tracking,
> and communications…. It's a long way from shovelling coal into
> an overgrown kettle, and metal signals operated by wires and
> cranks. 

Oy!

Admittedly it can attract loners, but whilst some signalpersons might 
be a bit strange, lumping them all together like that is a tad 
unfair...

-- 
Cheers, Harvey

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#1145657

Le 21/06/2026 à 12:49, HVS a écrit :
> On 21 Jun 2026, Hibou wrote
>>
>> That's true. If you look at the whole process, though, technology
>> is applied to more steps and has become more complicated. Driving
>> to the station in a 2020s car involves a lot of electronics that
>> weren't on a 1950s bicycle, or even in a 1950s car. The station
>> very likely no longer has staff, but mechanical-electronic
>> barriers linked to billing computers. The train is electric,
>> controlled by electronics, with electronic signalling, tracking,
>> and communications…. It's a long way from shovelling coal into
>> an overgrown kettle, and metal signals operated by wires and
>> cranks.
> 
> Oy!
> 
> Admittedly it can attract loners, but whilst some signalpersons might
> be a bit strange, lumping them all together like that is a tad
> unfair...


Far be it from me to malign signalmen (even if they have pulled levers 
to get the job).

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#1145652

On 21/06/2026 06:08, Hibou wrote:
> Le 21/06/2026 à 04:33, Steve Hayes a écrit :
>> Hibou wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway, can I justify "Technology has become pervasive"? I think so.
>>> Back in the 1950s, no-one had a mobile phone. Rail and air tickets were
>>> pieces of paper and card, not QR codes or RFID cards. We paid with coins
>>> and notes, not bank cards. We found our way about with paper maps, not
>>> apps…. Many of our systems now depend on satellites - agriculture,
>>> aviation, emergency services, finance, railways, shipping, road
>>> transport, and others.
>>
>> But rail and air travel are themselves technology, and rail, in
>> particular relies on one of the oldest forms or technology -- the
>> wheel. Paper tickets were printed using printing technology.
> 
> 
> That's true. If you look at the whole process, though, technology is 
> applied to more steps and has become more complicated. Driving to the 
> station in a 2020s car involves a lot of electronics that weren't on a 
> 1950s bicycle, or even in a 1950s car. The station very likely no longer 
> has staff, but mechanical-electronic barriers linked to billing 
> computers. The train is electric, controlled by electronics, with 
> electronic signalling, tracking, and communications…. It's a long way 
> from shovelling coal into an overgrown kettle, and metal signals 
> operated by wires and cranks.
> 
>> The threat is not technology, but the use to which it is put, which is
>> not technology but sociology. We already have the Big Brother society
>> envisaged by George Orwell in 1948. The problem is not technology, but
>> the use of technology to enforce social control.
> 
> 
> I think there are several aspects to the problem. One is dependency: the 
> national grid failing as the result of a cyberattack, for instance. 
> Another is opaqueness: even experts understand only a fraction of how 
> things work. Just fetching a web page, for example, is more complicated 
> than one might imagine:
> 
> <https://www.catchpoint.com/blog/http-transaction-steps>
> 
> And with AI and climate models, we just have to trust the computers. 
> This opaqueness facilitates surveillance and control. 

This also encourages people to reject any information which doesn't 
accord with their views.
Evidently climate change is all based on a conspiracy involving all 
those scientists (and their computers) who (apparently) have a vested 
interest in ... something or other - and are, to a man, evil and cruel 
manipulators bent on ruining the world.

I've mentioned
> 'smart' tellies and how they spy on their users. If the same data had to 
> be gathered by a human spy sat on the sofa next to them, people would 
> instantly object and send him packing.
> 
> It's no wonder that some would like to return to simpler times.
> 

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#1145654

On 22/06/26 04:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> Evidently climate change is all based on a conspiracy involving all
> those scientists (and their computers) who (apparently) have a vested
> interest in ... something or other - and are, to a man, evil and cruel
> manipulators bent on ruining the world.

That's pretty close to the truth. Just change "scientists" to 
"trillionaires".

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1145656

Le 21/06/2026 à 22:42, Peter Moylan a écrit :
> On 22/06/26 04:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>> Evidently climate change is all based on a conspiracy involving all
>> those scientists (and their computers) who (apparently) have a vested
>> interest in ... something or other - and are, to a man, evil and cruel
>> manipulators bent on ruining the world.
> 
> That's pretty close to the truth. Just change "scientists" to 
> "trillionaires".


Scientists and 'trillionaires'both chase funding, er money. Scientists' 
work is marked by the real world.

<https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-sbHtZtQP8EbxgknSxvVsSo4gAvVtIQQZtnbpQB3bekdG9AsbyloRh70&s=10>

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#1145660

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

[...]
> Evidently climate change is all based on a conspiracy involving all 
> those scientists (and their computers) who (apparently) have a vested
> interest in ... something or other 

The 'something or other' is called a 'career'.  There may be some truth
in the vast amount of pseudo-scientific gobbledygook spouted by the
'experts' [parasites] in the media - but when science funding depends on
coming up with the 'right' answer, truth is very hard to find, even
among scientists.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#1145680

Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> > Evidently climate change is all based on a conspiracy involving all
> > those scientists (and their computers) who (apparently) have a vested
> > interest in ... something or other 
> 
> The 'something or other' is called a 'career'.  There may be some truth
> in the vast amount of pseudo-scientific gobbledygook spouted by the
> 'experts' [parasites] in the media - but when science funding depends on
> coming up with the 'right' answer, truth is very hard to find, even
> among scientists.

There is no truth in words,
because words can always be countered with other words.
(aka flooding the zone with shit)

Truth can only come in by contact with outside reality.
And like it or not, reliable contact with real reality
can only be made by honest people of good will,
with scientific understanding.

BTW, hottest weather ever for June coming your way,

Jan

-- 
<https://www.connexionfrance.com/news/france-heatwave-map-where-temperatures-could-reach-40c-this-weekend/796878>
<https://www.bbc.com/weather/articles/c932k0lewygo>

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#1145693

nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) posted:

> Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > > Evidently climate change is all based on a conspiracy involving all
> > > those scientists (and their computers) who (apparently) have a vested
> > > interest in ... something or other 
> > 
> > The 'something or other' is called a 'career'.  There may be some truth
> > in the vast amount of pseudo-scientific gobbledygook spouted by the
> > 'experts' [parasites] in the media - but when science funding depends on
> > coming up with the 'right' answer, truth is very hard to find, even
> > among scientists.
> 
> There is no truth in words,
> because words can always be countered with other words.
> (aka flooding the zone with shit)
> 
> Truth can only come in by contact with outside reality.
> And like it or not, reliable contact with real reality
> can only be made by honest people of good will,
> with scientific understanding.
> 
> BTW, hottest weather ever for June coming your way,

You're right about that, of course, though it's much less severe in Marseilles
than it is in much of France. We're just having normal July weather, warm,
certainly, but not suffocating.

Yesterday in Carpentras two little boys left too long in a very hot car died
from overheating. We don't yet know why their mother left them so long. Maybe
just stupid; maybe something worse.

Many years ago, just after I was married for the first time in 1968, my then 
wife and I came across a closed car in a car park in Windsor with a child
inside. We couldn't get into the car, but when the mother arrived we told her
that she had done something very dangerous. She was very angry and told us to
mind our own business. There is really no limit to how stupid people can be. 
(Of course, what counted as a very hot day in Windsor probably wouldn't be
considered very hot in Carpentras, but even in England it gets very hot in
the summer.)

-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada 

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#1145697

On 23/06/26 20:04, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
> nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) posted:

>> BTW, hottest weather ever for June coming your way,
>
> You're right about that, of course, though it's much less severe in
> Marseilles than it is in much of France. We're just having normal
> July weather, warm, certainly, but not suffocating.

When I look at a European weather map these days, it reminds me of an
Australian summer. Or, at least, how an Australian summer used to be.
Last summer, the hottest town fell just half a degree short of 50.
Newcastle rarely goes above 35, though, because we're getting a lot more
rain than in the past. That's something we didn't predict. Rising ocean
temperatures are having a bigger effect on climate than we guessed.

> Yesterday in Carpentras two little boys left too long in a very hot
> car died from overheating. We don't yet know why their mother left
> them so long. Maybe just stupid; maybe something worse.
>
> Many years ago, just after I was married for the first time in 1968,
> my then wife and I came across a closed car in a car park in Windsor
> with a child inside. We couldn't get into the car, but when the
> mother arrived we told her that she had done something very
> dangerous. She was very angry and told us to mind our own business.
> There is really no limit to how stupid people can be. (Of course,
> what counted as a very hot day in Windsor probably wouldn't be
> considered very hot in Carpentras, but even in England it gets very
> hot in the summer.)

It's now illegal to leave children in cars here. If we come across such
a case, we are urged to smash the car window before calling the police.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1145698

Le 23/06/2026 à 07:33, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> 
> BTW, hottest weather ever for June coming your way,


Seeking sun or shade, or just oblique lighting for a good photo? I 
bookmarked these sites a while back. They're entertaining to play with, 
but I've never had occasion to use them in anger.

This one's quite elaborate:
<https://app.shadowmap.org/?lat=51.53350&lng=-0.13034&zoom=16.59&azimuth=2.84322&basemap=map&elevation=nextzen&f=29.0&hud=true&polar=0.52360&time=1782217744668&vq=2>

And this one delightfully simple:
<https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#17/48.8544/2.3509>

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#1145700

On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 13:36:58 +0100
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 23/06/2026 à 07:33, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> > 
> > BTW, hottest weather ever for June coming your way,
> 
> 
> Seeking sun or shade, or just oblique lighting for a good photo? I 
> bookmarked these sites a while back. They're entertaining to play with, 
> but I've never had occasion to use them in anger.
> 
> This one's quite elaborate:
> <https://app.shadowmap.org/?lat=51.53350&lng=-0.13034&zoom=16.59&azimuth=2.84322&basemap=map&elevation=nextzen&f=29.0&hud=true&polar=0.52360&time=1782217744668&vq=2>
> 
> And this one delightfully simple:
> <https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#17/48.8544/2.3509>
> 
I see they cover most French cities, including those in southern Belgium!

-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#1145709

Den 23.06.2026 kl. 16.26 skrev Kerr-Mudd, John:

>> This one's quite elaborate:
>> <https://app.shadowmap.org/?lat=51.53350&lng=-0.13034&zoom=16.59&azimuth=2.84322&basemap=map&elevation=nextzen&f=29.0&hud=true&polar=0.52360&time=1782217744668&vq=2>
>>
>> And this one delightfully simple:
>> <https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#17/48.8544/2.3509>
>>
> I see they cover most French cities, including those in southern Belgium!

With both pages I could enter "Kolt, Denmark" and get to see my house. 
Kolt has maybe 300 inhabitants.

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1145701

On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 13:36:58 +0100
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 23/06/2026 à 07:33, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> > 
> > BTW, hottest weather ever for June coming your way,
> 
> 
> Seeking sun or shade, or just oblique lighting for a good photo? I 
> bookmarked these sites a while back. They're entertaining to play with, 
> but I've never had occasion to use them in anger.
> 
> This one's quite elaborate:
> <https://app.shadowmap.org/?lat=51.53350&lng=-0.13034&zoom=16.59&azimuth=2.84322&basemap=map&elevation=nextzen&f=29.0&hud=true&polar=0.52360&time=1782217744668&vq=2>
> 

All I get to see (ironically) is the strapline: "The Sun for Everyone"


> And this one delightfully simple:
> <https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#17/48.8544/2.3509>
> 


-- 
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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#1145702

Le 23/06/2026 à 15:29, Kerr-Mudd, John a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
>>
>> This one's quite elaborate:
>> <https://app.shadowmap.org/?lat=51.53350&lng=-0.13034&zoom=16.59&azimuth=2.84322&basemap=map&elevation=nextzen&f=29.0&hud=true&polar=0.52360&time=1782217744668&vq=2>
>>
> 
> All I get to see (ironically) is the strapline: "The Sun for Everyone"


That's not so good. This is what I see for part of central London:

<https://pic.infini.fr/D8mkmV3S/3Wyb2mdV.png>

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#1145704

After serious thinking Hibou wrote :
> Le 23/06/2026 à 07:33, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
>> 
>> BTW, hottest weather ever for June coming your way,
>
>
> Seeking sun or shade, or just oblique lighting for a good photo? I bookmarked 
> these sites a while back. They're entertaining to play with, but I've never 
> had occasion to use them in anger.
>
> This one's quite elaborate:
> <https://app.shadowmap.org/?lat=51.53350&lng=-0.13034&zoom=16.59&azimuth=2.84322&basemap=map&elevation=nextzen&f=29.0&hud=true&polar=0.52360&time=1782217744668&vq=2>

26 minutes from Brook Green.

> And this one delightfully simple:
> <https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#17/48.8544/2.3509>

much faster zoom

-d

-- 
"I'm glad unicorns don't ever need upgrades."
"We are as up as it is possible to get graded!"
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#1145718

On 23 Jun 2026, Hibou wrote

> Le 23/06/2026 à 07:33, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
>> 
>> BTW, hottest weather ever for June coming your way,
> 
> 
> Seeking sun or shade, or just oblique lighting for a good photo? I
> bookmarked these sites a while back. They're entertaining to play
> with, but I've never had occasion to use them in anger.
> 
> This one's quite elaborate:
><https://app.shadowmap.org/?lat=51.53350&lng=-0.13034&zoom=16.59&azi
>muth=2.84322&basemap=map&elevation=nextzen&f=29.0&hud=true&polar=0.5
>2360&time=1782217744668&vq=2> 
> 
> And this one delightfully simple:
><https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#17/48.8544/2.3509>

What excellent finds;  thanks.

(I suspect that - like you - I'll find them more interesting than 
personally useful, but one never knows.)

-- 
Cheers, Harvey

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#1145719

Den 24.06.2026 kl. 10.41 skrev HVS:

>> This one's quite elaborate:
>> <https://app.shadowmap.org/?lat=51.53350&lng=-0.13034&zoom=16.59&azi
>> muth=2.84322&basemap=map&elevation=nextzen&f=29.0&hud=true&polar=0.5
>> 2360&time=1782217744668&vq=2>
>>
>> And this one delightfully simple:
>> <https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#17/48.8544/2.3509>
> 
> What excellent finds;  thanks.
> 
> (I suspect that - like you - I'll find them more interesting than
> personally useful, but one never knows.)

I find them a bit shady.

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1145752

On 24 Jun 2026, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote

> Den 24.06.2026 kl. 10.41 skrev HVS:
> 
>>> This one's quite elaborate:
>>> <https://app.shadowmap.org/?lat=51.53350&lng=-0.13034&zoom=16.59&
>>> azi 
>>> muth=2.84322&basemap=map&elevation=nextzen&f=29.0&hud=true&polar=
>>> 0.5 2360&time=1782217744668&vq=2>
>>> 
>>> And this one delightfully simple:
>>> <https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#17/48.8544/2.3509>
>> 
>> What excellent finds;  thanks.
>> 
>> (I suspect that - like you - I'll find them more interesting than
>> personally useful, but one never knows.)
> 
> I find them a bit shady.

Any shade in the current heatwave is welcome, though...

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#1145708

* (J. J. Lodder) <1rx4ka5.a579cy1qci0d0N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> :
Wrote on Tue, 23 Jun 2026 08:33:06 +0200:
> There is no truth in words,
> because words can always be countered with other words.
> (aka flooding the zone with shit)

> Truth can only come in by contact with outside reality.

When the only permitted contact with reality mediated through the
propaganda, the disconnect with actually encoutered reality is
scientifically treated as dissonance and mental illness.

> And like it or not, reliable contact with real reality
> can only be made by honest people of good will,
> with scientific understanding.

It is possible to arrage that professionals left with careers are those
working for [Israeli] propaganda

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#1145720

Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

> * (J. J. Lodder) <1rx4ka5.a579cy1qci0d0N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> :
> Wrote on Tue, 23 Jun 2026 08:33:06 +0200:
> > There is no truth in words,
> > because words can always be countered with other words.
> > (aka flooding the zone with shit)
> 
> > Truth can only come in by contact with outside reality.
> 
> When the only permitted contact with reality mediated through the
> propaganda, the disconnect with actually encoutered reality is
> scientifically treated as dissonance and mental illness.

This is words. Not science connected to reality.

> > And like it or not, reliable contact with real reality
> > can only be made by honest people of good will,
> > with scientific understanding.
> 
> It is possible to arrage that professionals left with careers are those
> working for [Israeli] propaganda

Again, nothing but words,

Jan

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