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Fat books

Started byPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
First post2026-10-14 15:18 +1100
Last post2026-10-20 15:09 -0400
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  Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-14 15:18 +1100
    Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-14 09:21 +0200
      Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-14 18:31 +1100
        Re: Fat books occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-14 11:11 +0200
        Re: Fat books Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-10-16 06:53 +1100
          Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-16 04:54 +0800
            Re: Fat books Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2026-10-16 07:59 +1100
              Re: Fat books occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-16 09:04 +0200
                the fact that Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-17 10:01 +0200
                  Re: the fact that athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-17 08:52 +0000
                    Re: the fact that Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:25 +0800
                  Re: the fact that Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-17 12:20 +0200
                    Re: the fact that John Dunlop <dunlop.john@ymail.com> - 2026-10-17 13:57 +0100
                      Re: the fact that John Dunlop <dunlop.john@ymail.com> - 2026-10-17 14:21 +0100
                        Re: the fact that Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:17 +0100
                          Re: the fact that athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-17 16:30 +0000
                          Re: the fact that John Dunlop <dunlop.john@ymail.com> - 2026-10-19 13:14 +0100
                            Re: the fact that athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-19 12:50 +0000
                              Re: the fact that John Dunlop <dunlop.john@ymail.com> - 2026-10-23 14:07 +0100
                            Re: the fact that Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-19 15:51 +0200
                    Re: the fact that Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-18 09:44 +1100
                  Re: the fact that occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-18 15:05 +0200
                    Re: the fact that Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-18 14:44 +0100
                      Re: the fact that occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-18 16:33 +0200
                        Re: the fact that Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-18 18:59 +0200
                    Re: the fact that Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-18 18:57 +0200
                      Re: the fact that richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-10-18 18:29 +0000
                        Re: the fact that Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-19 00:33 +0200
                        Re: the fact that athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-19 06:30 +0000
                          Re: the fact that nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-26 23:30 +0100
                            Re: the fact that Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-28 20:24 +0800
                      Re: the fact that nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-26 23:30 +0100
                    Re: the fact that nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-26 23:30 +0100
      Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 17:05 +0800
      Re: Fat books athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-14 13:04 +0000
        Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-15 06:25 +0200
          Re: Fat books athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-15 06:21 +0000
            Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-15 12:43 +0100
      Re: Fat books John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 08:02 -0700
        Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-15 06:46 +0200
          Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 15:02 +0800
          Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-15 12:46 +0100
            Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 21:48 +0800
            Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-15 21:57 +0200
              Re: Fat books Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-10-18 10:07 +0530
                Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-18 10:33 +0100
                Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 12:30 +0200
                  Re: Fat books Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-18 19:22 +0100
                    Re: Fat books Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 12:59 -0700
                      Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 22:35 +0200
                        Re: Fat books Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-19 00:53 +0100
                          Re: Fat books Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 23:35 -0400
                          Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-19 13:21 +0100
                            Re: Fat books Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-19 20:14 +0100
                            Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-19 21:40 +0200
                          Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-19 14:47 +0200
                        Re: Fat books Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 12:59 -0700
                          Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-20 10:31 +0100
                            Re: Fat books Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-10-21 10:56 -0400
                              Re: Fat books ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-21 15:33 +0000
                                Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-21 23:34 +0800
                                  Re: Fat books Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-21 18:29 -0400
                                    Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-22 10:46 +0800
                                      Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-22 14:36 +1100
                                        Re: Fat books Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 22:25 -0700
                                    Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-22 12:54 +0100
                                      Re: Fat books Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-10-22 17:40 -0400
                                        Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:52 +0800
                                    Re: Fat books Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-22 20:06 +0100
                                      Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-23 07:22 +1100
                                        Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-23 10:00 +0100
                                      Re: Fat books Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-22 17:33 -0300
                                        Re: Fat books Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-10-22 16:41 -0400
                                        Re: Fat books Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-23 00:43 +0100
                                      Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-23 10:43 +0200
                                    Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-23 10:43 +0200
                                      Re: Fat books athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-23 13:32 +0000
                                        Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 00:22 +0800
                                        Re: Fat books Carlo XYZ <carloxyz@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-23 21:50 +0200
                                          Re: Fat books athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-24 07:00 +0000
                                            Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-24 08:10 +0100
                                              Re: Fat books occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-24 11:38 +0200
                                                Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-24 10:50 +0100
                                                  Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-24 18:07 +0800
                                                  Re: Fat books Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-24 09:13 -0400
                                                    Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-24 17:27 +0100
                                                      Re: Fat books Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-10-24 21:18 +0200
                                                        Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-25 06:17 +0000
                                                          Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-25 06:22 +0000
                                                          Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-25 10:36 +0000
                                                        Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-25 20:22 +1100
                                                          Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-25 10:38 +0000
                                                    Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-25 04:25 +0800
                                                    Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-24 21:35 -0700
                                                      Re: Fat books squalk <sq@net.invalid> - 2026-10-25 20:34 +0000
                                                        Re: Fat books Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:56 -0700
                                                Re: Fat books athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-24 10:10 +0000
                                                  Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-24 11:18 +0100
                                                  Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-25 20:30 +1100
                                                    Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-25 18:18 +0800
                                                    Re: Fat books Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-25 18:09 +0000
                                                      Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-26 05:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Fat books Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-10-26 10:56 +0000
                                        Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-24 14:23 +0200
                              Re: Fat books Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-21 20:13 +0100
                                Re: Fat books Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-10-22 14:30 -0400
                          Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-21 21:26 +0200
                      Re: Fat books Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-19 10:53 +0200
                    Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 22:35 +0200
            Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-16 03:42 +0200
              Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-19 13:18 +0100
                Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-20 05:18 +0200
      Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-16 19:40 +1300
        Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-16 21:19 +1100
          Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-16 23:32 +1300
            Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-19 16:00 +1300
          Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-20 17:01 +1300
        Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-17 09:27 +0200
          Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-18 09:40 +1300
            Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-18 04:02 +0200
              Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-18 17:55 +1300
    Re: Fat books Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-10-14 10:31 +0100
      Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 17:48 +0800
      Re: Fat books Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-14 20:02 -0300
        Re: Fat books occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-15 08:19 +0200
          Re: Fat books Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-10-15 16:09 -0300
            Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-16 04:56 +0800
            Re: Fat books occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-16 09:09 +0200
              Re: Fat books richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-10-16 09:03 +0000
              Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-16 10:27 +0100
                Re: Fat books occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-10-16 12:22 +0200
                  Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-19 11:05 +0100
      Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-15 12:34 +0100
    Re: Fat books wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-10-14 16:44 +0000
      Re: Fat books athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-14 17:21 +0000
        Re: Fat books wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-10-14 17:46 +0000
          Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-14 22:29 +0200
      Re: Fat books Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-10-14 18:15 +0000
        Re: Fat books Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-14 20:37 +0200
          Re: Fat books Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-10-14 21:40 +0100
            Re: Fat books Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-10-14 23:19 +0100
              Re: Fat books Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-15 00:42 +0200
              Re: Fat books Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-10-15 08:48 +0100
            Re: Fat books Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-10-15 00:34 +0200
        Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-14 22:29 +0200
          Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-15 16:57 +1100
            Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 16:01 +0800
              Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 16:06 +0800
            Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-15 12:15 +0200
    Re: Fat books Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-10-14 20:16 +0100
      Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-14 22:49 +0200
    Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-15 12:33 +0100
      Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-15 22:00 +0800
    Re: Fat books athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-10-16 09:35 +0000
      Re: Fat books Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-10-16 10:49 +0100
      Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-16 21:37 +1100
        Ferraro's Programmer's Guide to the EGA, VGA, and Super VGA Cards (was: Re: Fat books) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-16 19:29 +0800
        Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-16 19:33 +0800
        Re: Fat books Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 13:49 -0700
    Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-16 21:49 +1100
      Re: Fat books kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-16 11:28 -0400
        Re: Fat books Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2026-10-16 09:33 -0700
    Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-17 06:35 +0100
    Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 11:47 -0700
      Re: Fat books Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-17 12:54 -0600
        Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-18 09:40 +1300
        Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 22:33 -0700
          Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 22:38 -0700
            Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-17 23:07 -0700
              Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-18 18:14 +1100
                Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-18 07:33 -0700
              Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-18 21:02 +1300
                Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-18 21:22 +1100
                Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-18 07:42 -0700
                  Re: Fat books William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 16:42 -0400
                    Re: Fat books Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 14:48 -0600
                  Re: Fat books kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-18 20:48 -0400
                    Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-18 18:56 -0700
                      Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 19:53 -0700
                      Re: Fat books Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 23:39 -0400
                        Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-19 15:07 +1100
                        Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:51 -0700
                    Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-19 13:06 +1100
                      Re: Fat books Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 23:45 -0400
                        Re: Fat books BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> - 2026-10-18 21:54 -0700
                        Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-19 11:44 +0200
                      Re: Fat books kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-10-19 15:42 -0400
                    Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-19 13:53 +1100
                      Re: Fat books Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2026-10-18 22:18 -0700
                        Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-19 18:43 +1300
                          Re: Fat books Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2026-10-19 22:03 -0700
                            Re: Fat books Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-10-20 18:37 +1300
                            Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-20 13:09 +0200
                              Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-21 09:30 +1100
                            Re: Fat books Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 07:15 -0400
                        Re: Fat books "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2026-10-19 23:08 +1100
              Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:28 +0100
                Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-18 19:33 +0800
                  Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-18 13:45 +0100
                    Re: Fat books Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-10-18 20:06 +0530
                      Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:40 +0800
                    Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:35 +0800
                Re: Fat books Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2026-10-18 09:04 -0700
                  Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 13:02 -0700
                    Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 17:25 -0700
                Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 21:39 +0200
                  Re: Fat books The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-18 17:06 -0700
                    Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-19 14:47 +0200
                      Re: Fat books Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-10-20 08:33 +1100
                        Re: Fat books nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-20 13:09 +0200
                  Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-19 14:00 +0100
                    Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-19 21:04 +0800
                      Re: Fat books Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-10-19 18:31 +0100
                        Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 05:55 +0800
                          Re: Fat books Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-10-20 10:37 +0100
                            Re: Fat books Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-20 20:43 +0800
                        Re: Fat books Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-10-20 05:39 +0200
                        Re: Fat books Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-10-20 07:01 +0100
                          Re: Fat books Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-10-20 08:57 +0100
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#1152519

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2026-10-18 16:48 -0700
Message-ID<6AD55AB3.5DA8@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#1152514
William Hyde wrote:
> 
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> > On 10/18/2026 9:59 AM, BobbieSellers wrote:
> >> On 10/17/26 11:47, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Peter Moylan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've griped about this issue before, but once again I find myself
> >>>> annoyed.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was reading "Robots and Empire", by Isaac Asimov. This is possibly
> >>>> the
> >>>> worst novel Asimov ever wrote. As a story it's mostly well-told, but
> >>>> the
> >>>> padding and waffle are enough to irritate the most patient reader.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let me quote from Chapter 45. "I think you must either get to the
> >>>> point,
> >>>> Dr Mandamus, or leave." This is not the only such case. Many of the
> >>>> characters in the book are incapable of getting to the point. They take
> >>>> half a dozen pages to say something that could be put in one chort
> >>>> paragraph. Get to the point, Dr Asimov. It's so bad that even the
> >>>> characters in the story are complaining about the padding.
> >>>>
> >>>> A competent editor could have made this a much better book by
> >>>> cutting it
> >>>> to about one third of its length.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder whether this hurt Asimov's reputation. I've certainly seen
> >>>> comments that his later (thick) books are not as good as his earlier
> >>>> writing.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not all his fault. Many other authors are as bad. They're used to
> >>>> being paid by the page, and publishers are letting them get away with
> >>>> it. Maybe publishers don't employ editors any more, and have given up
> >>>> any attempt at quality control. There are some authors that I refuse to
> >>>> read because their books are too thick.
> >>>>
> >>>> But surely, I tell myself, the publishers must have noticed that books
> >>>> don't sell as well as they used to. Or do they? Am I the only person to
> >>>> complain about this?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
> >>>> Newcastle, NSW
> >>
> >> Â Â Â Â Â Actually Peter Moylan is incorrect. Authors were paid
> >> usually by the word from SF magazines back in the 1940s.  The
> >> best author were not necessarily prolix.
> >> Â Â Â Â Â In the case of JRR Tolkien the published cut the
> >> Lord of the Rings from one big fat book to a Trilogy due
> >> to the difficulty of getting so much paper from the factory
> >> to the bookshelves of the stores.
> >
> > Which in turn created the /fantasy trilogy/, in both readers' and pub-
> > lishers' minds.  It's not really worth mentioning, other than some peo-
> > ple attribute this to Tolkien himself, rather than his publisher.
> 
> According to Samuel Delaney one of Wilde's less well known quips is
> something like:
> 
> "The only thing necessary to write a trilogy is a total lack of  taste".
> 
> which implies that trilogies existed in the 1890s.  But I can't seem to
> find any.


books were expensive in those days..so they divided it into 3 season
episodes..

tripple feature, "three decker"...

Season 4 canceled.


> 
> William Hyde




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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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#1152521

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2026-10-18 16:57 -0700
Message-ID<6AD55CD2.51@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#1152514
William Hyde wrote:
> 
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> > On 10/18/2026 9:59 AM, BobbieSellers wrote:
> >> On 10/17/26 11:47, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Peter Moylan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've griped about this issue before, but once again I find myself
> >>>> annoyed.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was reading "Robots and Empire", by Isaac Asimov. This is possibly
> >>>> the
> >>>> worst novel Asimov ever wrote. As a story it's mostly well-told, but
> >>>> the
> >>>> padding and waffle are enough to irritate the most patient reader.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let me quote from Chapter 45. "I think you must either get to the
> >>>> point,
> >>>> Dr Mandamus, or leave." This is not the only such case. Many of the
> >>>> characters in the book are incapable of getting to the point. They take
> >>>> half a dozen pages to say something that could be put in one chort
> >>>> paragraph. Get to the point, Dr Asimov. It's so bad that even the
> >>>> characters in the story are complaining about the padding.
> >>>>
> >>>> A competent editor could have made this a much better book by
> >>>> cutting it
> >>>> to about one third of its length.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder whether this hurt Asimov's reputation. I've certainly seen
> >>>> comments that his later (thick) books are not as good as his earlier
> >>>> writing.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not all his fault. Many other authors are as bad. They're used to
> >>>> being paid by the page, and publishers are letting them get away with
> >>>> it. Maybe publishers don't employ editors any more, and have given up
> >>>> any attempt at quality control. There are some authors that I refuse to
> >>>> read because their books are too thick.
> >>>>
> >>>> But surely, I tell myself, the publishers must have noticed that books
> >>>> don't sell as well as they used to. Or do they? Am I the only person to
> >>>> complain about this?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
> >>>> Newcastle, NSW
> >>
> >> Â Â Â Â Â Actually Peter Moylan is incorrect. Authors were paid
> >> usually by the word from SF magazines back in the 1940s.  The
> >> best author were not necessarily prolix.
> >> Â Â Â Â Â In the case of JRR Tolkien the published cut the
> >> Lord of the Rings from one big fat book to a Trilogy due
> >> to the difficulty of getting so much paper from the factory
> >> to the bookshelves of the stores.
> >
> > Which in turn created the /fantasy trilogy/, in both readers' and pub-
> > lishers' minds.  It's not really worth mentioning, other than some peo-
> > ple attribute this to Tolkien himself, rather than his publisher.
> 
> According to Samuel Delaney one of Wilde's less well known quips is
> something like:
> 
> "The only thing necessary to write a trilogy is a total lack of  taste".
> 
> which implies that trilogies existed in the 1890s.  But I can't seem to
> find any.
> 
> William Hyde

Emile Zola

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is Macron wife a guy?



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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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#1152619

FromJohann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid>
Date2026-10-20 21:04 +0800
Message-ID<BFJBS.536264$FEvb.484704@fx12.ams4>
In reply to#1152514
On 10/19/2026 4:57 AM, William Hyde wrote:
> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>> On 10/18/2026 9:59 AM, BobbieSellers wrote:
>>> On 10/17/26 11:47, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've griped about this issue before, but once again I find myself 
>>>>> annoyed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was reading "Robots and Empire", by Isaac Asimov. This is 
>>>>> possibly the
>>>>> worst novel Asimov ever wrote. As a story it's mostly well-told, 
>>>>> but the
>>>>> padding and waffle are enough to irritate the most patient reader.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me quote from Chapter 45. "I think you must either get to the 
>>>>> point,
>>>>> Dr Mandamus, or leave." This is not the only such case. Many of the
>>>>> characters in the book are incapable of getting to the point. They 
>>>>> take
>>>>> half a dozen pages to say something that could be put in one chort
>>>>> paragraph. Get to the point, Dr Asimov. It's so bad that even the
>>>>> characters in the story are complaining about the padding.
>>>>>
>>>>> A competent editor could have made this a much better book by 
>>>>> cutting it
>>>>> to about one third of its length.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder whether this hurt Asimov's reputation. I've certainly seen
>>>>> comments that his later (thick) books are not as good as his earlier
>>>>> writing.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not all his fault. Many other authors are as bad. They're used to
>>>>> being paid by the page, and publishers are letting them get away with
>>>>> it. Maybe publishers don't employ editors any more, and have given up
>>>>> any attempt at quality control. There are some authors that I 
>>>>> refuse to
>>>>> read because their books are too thick.
>>>>>
>>>>> But surely, I tell myself, the publishers must have noticed that books
>>>>> don't sell as well as they used to. Or do they? Am I the only 
>>>>> person to
>>>>> complain about this?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
>>>>> Newcastle, NSW
>>>
>>>      Actually Peter Moylan is incorrect. Authors were paid
>>> usually by the word from SF magazines back in the 1940s.  The
>>> best author were not necessarily prolix.
>>>      In the case of JRR Tolkien the published cut the
>>> Lord of the Rings from one big fat book to a Trilogy due
>>> to the difficulty of getting so much paper from the factory
>>> to the bookshelves of the stores.
>>
>> Which in turn created the /fantasy trilogy/, in both readers' and pub-
>> lishers' minds.  It's not really worth mentioning, other than some peo-
>> ple attribute this to Tolkien himself, rather than his publisher.
> 
> According to Samuel Delaney one of Wilde's less well known quips is 
> something like:
> 
> "The only thing necessary to write a trilogy is a total lack of  taste".
> 
> 
> which implies that trilogies existed in the 1890s.  But I can't seem to 
> find any.
> 
> William Hyde

I'm not sure trilogies of the late 1800s, nor Wilde for that matter, are
worth much.  I believe most multi-volume stories published back then
were collections of serials, and the number of volumes wasn't fixed.  I
give

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysteries_of_Paris

as an example [1].

Unlike say the fantasy trilogies of the 80s and 90s, of which I only re-
cently started to listen to /The Diamond Throne/ by David Eddings,

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elenium

which I've read multiple times since coming across it in a library in my
teens.

Plus, I believe Wilde only wrote one novel length story.  I've only seen
the (?) black & white movie, but it's enough to know the character.


Best wishes, and happy reading!


[1] As usual, I hate linking Wikipedia, but this does look like the
translation I read in Iceland, as a child.  There's only so much I can
bother to /look up/ for a post in alt.usage.english.
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#1152636

FromWilliam Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 15:09 -0400
Message-ID<11b8e9u$3a3oo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1152619
Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
> On 10/19/2026 4:57 AM, William Hyde wrote:
>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
>>> On 10/18/2026 9:59 AM, BobbieSellers wrote:
>>>> On 10/17/26 11:47, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've griped about this issue before, but once again I find myself 
>>>>>> annoyed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was reading "Robots and Empire", by Isaac Asimov. This is 
>>>>>> possibly the
>>>>>> worst novel Asimov ever wrote. As a story it's mostly well-told, 
>>>>>> but the
>>>>>> padding and waffle are enough to irritate the most patient reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me quote from Chapter 45. "I think you must either get to the 
>>>>>> point,
>>>>>> Dr Mandamus, or leave." This is not the only such case. Many of the
>>>>>> characters in the book are incapable of getting to the point. They 
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> half a dozen pages to say something that could be put in one chort
>>>>>> paragraph. Get to the point, Dr Asimov. It's so bad that even the
>>>>>> characters in the story are complaining about the padding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A competent editor could have made this a much better book by 
>>>>>> cutting it
>>>>>> to about one third of its length.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder whether this hurt Asimov's reputation. I've certainly seen
>>>>>> comments that his later (thick) books are not as good as his earlier
>>>>>> writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not all his fault. Many other authors are as bad. They're 
>>>>>> used to
>>>>>> being paid by the page, and publishers are letting them get away with
>>>>>> it. Maybe publishers don't employ editors any more, and have given up
>>>>>> any attempt at quality control. There are some authors that I 
>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>> read because their books are too thick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But surely, I tell myself, the publishers must have noticed that 
>>>>>> books
>>>>>> don't sell as well as they used to. Or do they? Am I the only 
>>>>>> person to
>>>>>> complain about this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
>>>>>> Newcastle, NSW
>>>>
>>>>      Actually Peter Moylan is incorrect. Authors were paid
>>>> usually by the word from SF magazines back in the 1940s.  The
>>>> best author were not necessarily prolix.
>>>>      In the case of JRR Tolkien the published cut the
>>>> Lord of the Rings from one big fat book to a Trilogy due
>>>> to the difficulty of getting so much paper from the factory
>>>> to the bookshelves of the stores.
>>>
>>> Which in turn created the /fantasy trilogy/, in both readers' and pub-
>>> lishers' minds.  It's not really worth mentioning, other than some peo-
>>> ple attribute this to Tolkien himself, rather than his publisher.
>>
>> According to Samuel Delaney one of Wilde's less well known quips is 
>> something like:
>>
>> "The only thing necessary to write a trilogy is a total lack of  taste".
>>
>>
>> which implies that trilogies existed in the 1890s.  But I can't seem 
>> to find any.
>>
>> William Hyde
> 
> I'm not sure trilogies of the late 1800s, nor Wilde for that matter,are
> worth much.  I believe most multi-volume stories published back then
> were collections of serials, and the number of volumes wasn't fixed.  I
> give
> 
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysteries_of_Paris
> 
> as an example [1].
> 
> Unlike say the fantasy trilogies of the 80s and 90s, of which I only re-
> cently started to listen to /The Diamond Throne/ by David Eddings,
> 
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elenium
> 
> which I've read multiple times since coming across it in a library in my
> teens.
> 
> Plus, I believe Wilde only wrote one novel length story.  I've only seen
> the (?) black & white movie, but it's enough to know the character.

"The Picture of Dorian Gray" was early in his career, and was intended 
to be a bit shocking. The original story was toned down for the novel 
version.

Wilde's output mainly consisted of plays, which initially were not 
successful. His first important one was "Salome", written in French. 
But owing to the subject matter it was a long time before it was 
performed. "The Importance of being Earnest" is commonly cited as his 
best, though I prefer "Lady Windermere's Fan".

It's little known (not even mentioned in his wikipedia page) that at 
Oxford Wilde took essentially a double major, taking a slew of courses 
in science.  He had a somewhat broader view of life than his image would 
imply.

William Hyde

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