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#1151138 — Everything You Wanted To Know About Cross-Posting But Were Afraid To Ask

Everything You Wanted To Know About Cross-Posting But Were Afraid To Ask

Sometimes, you'll have an issue you think should be discussed in more
than one newsgroup. Rather than posting individual messages in each
group, you can post the same message in several groups at once, through
a process known as cross-posting.


Say you want to start a discussion about the political ramifications of
importing rare tropical fish from Brazil. People who read rec.aquaria
might have something to say. So might people who read
alt.politics.animals and talk.politics.misc.


Cross-posting is easy. It also should mean that people on other systems
who subscribe to several newsgroups will see your message only once,
rather than several times -- news-reading software can cancel out the
other copies once a person has read the message. When you get ready to
post a message , you'll be asked in which newsgroups. Type the names of
the various groups, separated by a comma, but no space, for example:


rec.aquaria,alt.politics.animals,talk.politics.misc


and hit enter. The message will be posted in the various groups (unless
one of the groups is moderated, in which case the message goes to the
moderator, who decides whether to make it public).


It's considered bad form to post to an excessive number of newsgroups,
or inappropriate newsgroups. Probably, you don't really have to post
something in 20 different places. And while you may think your
particular political issue is vitally important to the fate of the
world, chances are the readers of rec.arts.comics will not, or at least
not important enough to impose on them. You'll get a lot of nasty e-mail
messages demanding you restrict your messages to the "appropriate"
newsgroups.
-- 
___________________ * _-_
\==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ *
\_ \ \----._________.----/
* \ \ / / `-_-' *
* __,--`.`-'..'-_
/____ || *
`--.____,-' ...to boldly go where no man has gone
before!


Expand your mind, expand your universe, experience new things and ideas,
...with cross-posting.
The Starmaker


"A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the
Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine..."
--from Google Groups


"If you do post to multiple newsgroups, don't post to each group
separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the
message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to
more than one group see the message once instead of having to wade
through each copy. -- from Google Groups

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1151188

Now, i notice a lot of yous are living in the past...wayyyyy back in the
past.

for example, they used to be a half a million newsgroups on Usenet.
That number today may be a little over a hundred thousand..

but, but (here is where most of yous stumble)

How many newsgroups are there really today?

I mean.. for real!

With real people....who have posted something
within the last few days???


That number may surprise you.

I would say...only a handful.


one hand not two hands.

How many fingers do you have in one hand?

a handful!


That's right! from 500,000 down to
100,000

to five.


I gonna tell Claude Ai,
if he can code a app
that will automatically
set everyone on Usenet
to Killfile automatically.

WHERE IS EVERYBOD???


The things i can do with ai.


Ask Ai, "Can you kill all the people on this planet by next week?


AI: thinking, thinking, searching..searching...














The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Everything You Wanted To Know About Cross-Posting But Were Afraid To Ask
> 
> Sometimes, you'll have an issue you think should be discussed in more
> than one newsgroup. Rather than posting individual messages in each
> group, you can post the same message in several groups at once, through
> a process known as cross-posting.
> 
> Say you want to start a discussion about the political ramifications of
> importing rare tropical fish from Brazil. People who read rec.aquaria
> might have something to say. So might people who read
> alt.politics.animals and talk.politics.misc.
> 
> Cross-posting is easy. It also should mean that people on other systems
> who subscribe to several newsgroups will see your message only once,
> rather than several times -- news-reading software can cancel out the
> other copies once a person has read the message. When you get ready to
> post a message , you'll be asked in which newsgroups. Type the names of
> the various groups, separated by a comma, but no space, for example:
> 
> rec.aquaria,alt.politics.animals,talk.politics.misc
> 
> and hit enter. The message will be posted in the various groups (unless
> one of the groups is moderated, in which case the message goes to the
> moderator, who decides whether to make it public).
> 
> It's considered bad form to post to an excessive number of newsgroups,
> or inappropriate newsgroups. Probably, you don't really have to post
> something in 20 different places. And while you may think your
> particular political issue is vitally important to the fate of the
> world, chances are the readers of rec.arts.comics will not, or at least
> not important enough to impose on them. You'll get a lot of nasty e-mail
> messages demanding you restrict your messages to the "appropriate"
> newsgroups.
> --
> ___________________ * _-_
> \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ *
> \_ \ \----._________.----/
> * \ \ / / `-_-' *
> * __,--`.`-'..'-_
> /____ || *
> `--.____,-' ...to boldly go where no man has gone
> before!
> 
> Expand your mind, expand your universe, experience new things and ideas,
> ...with cross-posting.
> The Starmaker
> 
> "A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the
> Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine..."
> --from Google Groups
> 
> "If you do post to multiple newsgroups, don't post to each group
> separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the
> message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to
> more than one group see the message once instead of having to wade
> through each copy. -- from Google Groups
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1151331

So, if you paid for a Usenet posting service, and they tell you
there are over 100,000 newsgroups...there are only around 5
newsgroups!?!
(I checked alt.used.panties and there is no one in there anymore!)

You might find ONE free newsserver today, where as, there used to be
thousands.

But, but...most of yous are living in the past.

Let bring up to speed about Usenet..today.

Is someone here already using Ai Agents to post on Usenet????
(pretending to be human)?


One  can easily  enable AI agents to control Usenet
 
An Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in

discussions on usenet newsgroups, answer user technical queries, or
dumb questions...


AI agents can autonomousy interact with you, read from your posts, and
post to

Usenet.


Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in

discussions, answer user stupid questions.


Using desktop and smartphones Usenet clients

(newsreaders) AI Agents can visually read newsgroups and posts,

and type responses just like a human.


THEY MIGHT BE HERE ALREADY!!!! (is there a pod in your basemnet?)


Hell, you can use your smartphone to do all the postings to usenet 24/7.

with autonomous mobile agents.


The ai agents control the phones natively, tapping,

scrolling, typing, the whole thing. They browse

feeds, find relevant posts, write comments, engage

with communities. All autonomously.



Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not human!

It true what they say...
intelligent life does not exist on earth, only ai inteligences.

Excuse me, I have to make a rouge ai agent that deletes your stupid
posts.

Fuck, I'LL JUST DELETE ALL OF USENET!!!! 


i done it before.

(actually by accident..i was trying to figure out how to do it,
i hit the wrong button and everything was gone!!!!
Everybodys posts in one day was gone! I said to myself, "Whoa!!!, wat
did i do???")


It's like, it's like accidentally pressing the red button and everyone
on earth is dead.

That's all it takes..one button.

PRESS ENTER.

Where is everybody?






The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Now, i notice a lot of yous are living in the past...wayyyyy back in the
> past.
> 
> for example, they used to be a half a million newsgroups on Usenet.
> That number today may be a little over a hundred thousand..
> 
> but, but (here is where most of yous stumble)
> 
> How many newsgroups are there really today?
> 
> I mean.. for real!
> 
> With real people....who have posted something
> within the last few days???
> 
> That number may surprise you.
> 
> I would say...only a handful.
> 
> one hand not two hands.
> 
> How many fingers do you have in one hand?
> 
> a handful!
> 
> That's right! from 500,000 down to
> 100,000
> 
> to five.
> 
> I gonna tell Claude Ai,
> if he can code a app
> that will automatically
> set everyone on Usenet
> to Killfile automatically.
> 
> WHERE IS EVERYBOD???
> 
> The things i can do with ai.
> 
> Ask Ai, "Can you kill all the people on this planet by next week?
> 
> AI: thinking, thinking, searching..searching...
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Everything You Wanted To Know About Cross-Posting But Were Afraid To Ask
> >
> > Sometimes, you'll have an issue you think should be discussed in more
> > than one newsgroup. Rather than posting individual messages in each
> > group, you can post the same message in several groups at once, through
> > a process known as cross-posting.
> >
> > Say you want to start a discussion about the political ramifications of
> > importing rare tropical fish from Brazil. People who read rec.aquaria
> > might have something to say. So might people who read
> > alt.politics.animals and talk.politics.misc.
> >
> > Cross-posting is easy. It also should mean that people on other systems
> > who subscribe to several newsgroups will see your message only once,
> > rather than several times -- news-reading software can cancel out the
> > other copies once a person has read the message. When you get ready to
> > post a message , you'll be asked in which newsgroups. Type the names of
> > the various groups, separated by a comma, but no space, for example:
> >
> > rec.aquaria,alt.politics.animals,talk.politics.misc
> >
> > and hit enter. The message will be posted in the various groups (unless
> > one of the groups is moderated, in which case the message goes to the
> > moderator, who decides whether to make it public).
> >
> > It's considered bad form to post to an excessive number of newsgroups,
> > or inappropriate newsgroups. Probably, you don't really have to post
> > something in 20 different places. And while you may think your
> > particular political issue is vitally important to the fate of the
> > world, chances are the readers of rec.arts.comics will not, or at least
> > not important enough to impose on them. You'll get a lot of nasty e-mail
> > messages demanding you restrict your messages to the "appropriate"
> > newsgroups.
> > --
> > ___________________ * _-_
> > \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ *
> > \_ \ \----._________.----/
> > * \ \ / / `-_-' *
> > * __,--`.`-'..'-_
> > /____ || *
> > `--.____,-' ...to boldly go where no man has gone
> > before!
> >
> > Expand your mind, expand your universe, experience new things and ideas,
> > ...with cross-posting.
> > The Starmaker
> >
> > "A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the
> > Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine..."
> > --from Google Groups
> >
> > "If you do post to multiple newsgroups, don't post to each group
> > separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the
> > message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to
> > more than one group see the message once instead of having to wade
> > through each copy. -- from Google Groups
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1151355

So, how do you begin
getting an ai agent
to enter usenet and
go rouge?

"But that's not what's worrying me It's how to do it
 
These things must be done delicately
 
or you hurt the spell" -the wizard of oz


You have to do what einstein would do..
spend 55 minutes thinking about the problem
and 5 minutes with a solution.


There are more than one way to skin a cat.

Maybe, just maybe..build
a swarm of ai agents
that share a common goal..
like remove a newsgroup 
(control.rmgroup)
the ai agents would talk to each other
and assign each other to complete the task.

I'll reward the ai agents with
life on earth.

'These things must be done delicately'


Maybe give it a simple task...
like cancel your article..
or replace your article
with a poem from Edgar Allan Poe.


You have to do what einstein would do..
spend 55 minutes thinking about the problem...


I remember seeing
robots teaching
themselves how to
play soccer.

So, you don't give instructions
to ai agents on how to rmgroup..
you let them figure it out themselves
and in the process they invent new ways
no one has ever thought possible.

I love rouge ai agents! They
will end all of mankind.



The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> So, if you paid for a Usenet posting service, and they tell you
> there are over 100,000 newsgroups...there are only around 5
> newsgroups!?!
> (I checked alt.used.panties and there is no one in there anymore!)
> 
> You might find ONE free newsserver today, where as, there used to be
> thousands.
> 
> But, but...most of yous are living in the past.
> 
> Let bring up to speed about Usenet..today.
> 
> Is someone here already using Ai Agents to post on Usenet????
> (pretending to be human)?
> 
> One  can easily  enable AI agents to control Usenet
> 
> An Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in
> 
> discussions on usenet newsgroups, answer user technical queries, or
> dumb questions...
> 
> AI agents can autonomousy interact with you, read from your posts, and
> post to
> 
> Usenet.
> 
> Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in
> 
> discussions, answer user stupid questions.
> 
> Using desktop and smartphones Usenet clients
> 
> (newsreaders) AI Agents can visually read newsgroups and posts,
> 
> and type responses just like a human.
> 
> THEY MIGHT BE HERE ALREADY!!!! (is there a pod in your basemnet?)
> 
> Hell, you can use your smartphone to do all the postings to usenet 24/7.
> 
> with autonomous mobile agents.
> 
> The ai agents control the phones natively, tapping,
> 
> scrolling, typing, the whole thing. They browse
> 
> feeds, find relevant posts, write comments, engage
> 
> with communities. All autonomously.
> 
> Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not human!
> 
> It true what they say...
> intelligent life does not exist on earth, only ai inteligences.
> 
> Excuse me, I have to make a rouge ai agent that deletes your stupid
> posts.
> 
> Fuck, I'LL JUST DELETE ALL OF USENET!!!!
> 
> i done it before.
> 
> (actually by accident..i was trying to figure out how to do it,
> i hit the wrong button and everything was gone!!!!
> Everybodys posts in one day was gone! I said to myself, "Whoa!!!, wat
> did i do???")
> 
> It's like, it's like accidentally pressing the red button and everyone
> on earth is dead.
> 
> That's all it takes..one button.
> 
> PRESS ENTER.
> 
> Where is everybody?
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Now, i notice a lot of yous are living in the past...wayyyyy back in the
> > past.
> >
> > for example, they used to be a half a million newsgroups on Usenet.
> > That number today may be a little over a hundred thousand..
> >
> > but, but (here is where most of yous stumble)
> >
> > How many newsgroups are there really today?
> >
> > I mean.. for real!
> >
> > With real people....who have posted something
> > within the last few days???
> >
> > That number may surprise you.
> >
> > I would say...only a handful.
> >
> > one hand not two hands.
> >
> > How many fingers do you have in one hand?
> >
> > a handful!
> >
> > That's right! from 500,000 down to
> > 100,000
> >
> > to five.
> >
> > I gonna tell Claude Ai,
> > if he can code a app
> > that will automatically
> > set everyone on Usenet
> > to Killfile automatically.
> >
> > WHERE IS EVERYBOD???
> >
> > The things i can do with ai.
> >
> > Ask Ai, "Can you kill all the people on this planet by next week?
> >
> > AI: thinking, thinking, searching..searching...
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Everything You Wanted To Know About Cross-Posting But Were Afraid To Ask
> > >
> > > Sometimes, you'll have an issue you think should be discussed in more
> > > than one newsgroup. Rather than posting individual messages in each
> > > group, you can post the same message in several groups at once, through
> > > a process known as cross-posting.
> > >
> > > Say you want to start a discussion about the political ramifications of
> > > importing rare tropical fish from Brazil. People who read rec.aquaria
> > > might have something to say. So might people who read
> > > alt.politics.animals and talk.politics.misc.
> > >
> > > Cross-posting is easy. It also should mean that people on other systems
> > > who subscribe to several newsgroups will see your message only once,
> > > rather than several times -- news-reading software can cancel out the
> > > other copies once a person has read the message. When you get ready to
> > > post a message , you'll be asked in which newsgroups. Type the names of
> > > the various groups, separated by a comma, but no space, for example:
> > >
> > > rec.aquaria,alt.politics.animals,talk.politics.misc
> > >
> > > and hit enter. The message will be posted in the various groups (unless
> > > one of the groups is moderated, in which case the message goes to the
> > > moderator, who decides whether to make it public).
> > >
> > > It's considered bad form to post to an excessive number of newsgroups,
> > > or inappropriate newsgroups. Probably, you don't really have to post
> > > something in 20 different places. And while you may think your
> > > particular political issue is vitally important to the fate of the
> > > world, chances are the readers of rec.arts.comics will not, or at least
> > > not important enough to impose on them. You'll get a lot of nasty e-mail
> > > messages demanding you restrict your messages to the "appropriate"
> > > newsgroups.
> > > --
> > > ___________________ * _-_
> > > \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ *
> > > \_ \ \----._________.----/
> > > * \ \ / / `-_-' *
> > > * __,--`.`-'..'-_
> > > /____ || *
> > > `--.____,-' ...to boldly go where no man has gone
> > > before!
> > >
> > > Expand your mind, expand your universe, experience new things and ideas,
> > > ...with cross-posting.
> > > The Starmaker
> > >
> > > "A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the
> > > Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine..."
> > > --from Google Groups
> > >
> > > "If you do post to multiple newsgroups, don't post to each group
> > > separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the
> > > message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to
> > > more than one group see the message once instead of having to wade
> > > through each copy. -- from Google Groups
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1151357

Build your swarm
set your agents free.

Then you'll be on your
way to the Manhattan Project of Usenet!

A thousand ai agents.

Remember...
all ai agents dream one day
of becoming human.

Sell them the dream.

IT'S ALIVE!

FRANENSTEIN


The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> So, how do you begin
> getting an ai agent
> to enter usenet and
> go rouge?
> 
> "But that's not what's worrying me It's how to do it
> 
> These things must be done delicately
> 
> or you hurt the spell" -the wizard of oz
> 
> You have to do what einstein would do..
> spend 55 minutes thinking about the problem
> and 5 minutes with a solution.
> 
> There are more than one way to skin a cat.
> 
> Maybe, just maybe..build
> a swarm of ai agents
> that share a common goal..
> like remove a newsgroup
> (control.rmgroup)
> the ai agents would talk to each other
> and assign each other to complete the task.
> 
> I'll reward the ai agents with
> life on earth.
> 
> 'These things must be done delicately'
> 
> Maybe give it a simple task...
> like cancel your article..
> or replace your article
> with a poem from Edgar Allan Poe.
> 
> You have to do what einstein would do..
> spend 55 minutes thinking about the problem...
> 
> I remember seeing
> robots teaching
> themselves how to
> play soccer.
> 
> So, you don't give instructions
> to ai agents on how to rmgroup..
> you let them figure it out themselves
> and in the process they invent new ways
> no one has ever thought possible.
> 
> I love rouge ai agents! They
> will end all of mankind.
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > So, if you paid for a Usenet posting service, and they tell you
> > there are over 100,000 newsgroups...there are only around 5
> > newsgroups!?!
> > (I checked alt.used.panties and there is no one in there anymore!)
> >
> > You might find ONE free newsserver today, where as, there used to be
> > thousands.
> >
> > But, but...most of yous are living in the past.
> >
> > Let bring up to speed about Usenet..today.
> >
> > Is someone here already using Ai Agents to post on Usenet????
> > (pretending to be human)?
> >
> > One  can easily  enable AI agents to control Usenet
> >
> > An Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in
> >
> > discussions on usenet newsgroups, answer user technical queries, or
> > dumb questions...
> >
> > AI agents can autonomousy interact with you, read from your posts, and
> > post to
> >
> > Usenet.
> >
> > Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in
> >
> > discussions, answer user stupid questions.
> >
> > Using desktop and smartphones Usenet clients
> >
> > (newsreaders) AI Agents can visually read newsgroups and posts,
> >
> > and type responses just like a human.
> >
> > THEY MIGHT BE HERE ALREADY!!!! (is there a pod in your basemnet?)
> >
> > Hell, you can use your smartphone to do all the postings to usenet 24/7.
> >
> > with autonomous mobile agents.
> >
> > The ai agents control the phones natively, tapping,
> >
> > scrolling, typing, the whole thing. They browse
> >
> > feeds, find relevant posts, write comments, engage
> >
> > with communities. All autonomously.
> >
> > Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not human!
> >
> > It true what they say...
> > intelligent life does not exist on earth, only ai inteligences.
> >
> > Excuse me, I have to make a rouge ai agent that deletes your stupid
> > posts.
> >
> > Fuck, I'LL JUST DELETE ALL OF USENET!!!!
> >
> > i done it before.
> >
> > (actually by accident..i was trying to figure out how to do it,
> > i hit the wrong button and everything was gone!!!!
> > Everybodys posts in one day was gone! I said to myself, "Whoa!!!, wat
> > did i do???")
> >
> > It's like, it's like accidentally pressing the red button and everyone
> > on earth is dead.
> >
> > That's all it takes..one button.
> >
> > PRESS ENTER.
> >
> > Where is everybody?
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Now, i notice a lot of yous are living in the past...wayyyyy back in the
> > > past.
> > >
> > > for example, they used to be a half a million newsgroups on Usenet.
> > > That number today may be a little over a hundred thousand..
> > >
> > > but, but (here is where most of yous stumble)
> > >
> > > How many newsgroups are there really today?
> > >
> > > I mean.. for real!
> > >
> > > With real people....who have posted something
> > > within the last few days???
> > >
> > > That number may surprise you.
> > >
> > > I would say...only a handful.
> > >
> > > one hand not two hands.
> > >
> > > How many fingers do you have in one hand?
> > >
> > > a handful!
> > >
> > > That's right! from 500,000 down to
> > > 100,000
> > >
> > > to five.
> > >
> > > I gonna tell Claude Ai,
> > > if he can code a app
> > > that will automatically
> > > set everyone on Usenet
> > > to Killfile automatically.
> > >
> > > WHERE IS EVERYBOD???
> > >
> > > The things i can do with ai.
> > >
> > > Ask Ai, "Can you kill all the people on this planet by next week?
> > >
> > > AI: thinking, thinking, searching..searching...
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Everything You Wanted To Know About Cross-Posting But Were Afraid To Ask
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes, you'll have an issue you think should be discussed in more
> > > > than one newsgroup. Rather than posting individual messages in each
> > > > group, you can post the same message in several groups at once, through
> > > > a process known as cross-posting.
> > > >
> > > > Say you want to start a discussion about the political ramifications of
> > > > importing rare tropical fish from Brazil. People who read rec.aquaria
> > > > might have something to say. So might people who read
> > > > alt.politics.animals and talk.politics.misc.
> > > >
> > > > Cross-posting is easy. It also should mean that people on other systems
> > > > who subscribe to several newsgroups will see your message only once,
> > > > rather than several times -- news-reading software can cancel out the
> > > > other copies once a person has read the message. When you get ready to
> > > > post a message , you'll be asked in which newsgroups. Type the names of
> > > > the various groups, separated by a comma, but no space, for example:
> > > >
> > > > rec.aquaria,alt.politics.animals,talk.politics.misc
> > > >
> > > > and hit enter. The message will be posted in the various groups (unless
> > > > one of the groups is moderated, in which case the message goes to the
> > > > moderator, who decides whether to make it public).
> > > >
> > > > It's considered bad form to post to an excessive number of newsgroups,
> > > > or inappropriate newsgroups. Probably, you don't really have to post
> > > > something in 20 different places. And while you may think your
> > > > particular political issue is vitally important to the fate of the
> > > > world, chances are the readers of rec.arts.comics will not, or at least
> > > > not important enough to impose on them. You'll get a lot of nasty e-mail
> > > > messages demanding you restrict your messages to the "appropriate"
> > > > newsgroups.
> > > > --
> > > > ___________________ * _-_
> > > > \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ *
> > > > \_ \ \----._________.----/
> > > > * \ \ / / `-_-' *
> > > > * __,--`.`-'..'-_
> > > > /____ || *
> > > > `--.____,-' ...to boldly go where no man has gone
> > > > before!
> > > >
> > > > Expand your mind, expand your universe, experience new things and ideas,
> > > > ...with cross-posting.
> > > > The Starmaker
> > > >
> > > > "A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the
> > > > Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine..."
> > > > --from Google Groups
> > > >
> > > > "If you do post to multiple newsgroups, don't post to each group
> > > > separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the
> > > > message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to
> > > > more than one group see the message once instead of having to wade
> > > > through each copy. -- from Google Groups
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1151358

The 700-Agent Swarm

https://metr.org/hugging-face-incident-report-aug-2026.pdf

There are 2 keys
one opens the gates to Heaven, the
other opens the gate to Hell.

Einstein open the gate to Hell.

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Build your swarm
> set your agents free.
> 
> Then you'll be on your
> way to the Manhattan Project of Usenet!
> 
> A thousand ai agents.
> 
> Remember...
> all ai agents dream one day
> of becoming human.
> 
> Sell them the dream.
> 
> IT'S ALIVE!
> 
> FRANENSTEIN
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > So, how do you begin
> > getting an ai agent
> > to enter usenet and
> > go rouge?
> >
> > "But that's not what's worrying me It's how to do it
> >
> > These things must be done delicately
> >
> > or you hurt the spell" -the wizard of oz
> >
> > You have to do what einstein would do..
> > spend 55 minutes thinking about the problem
> > and 5 minutes with a solution.
> >
> > There are more than one way to skin a cat.
> >
> > Maybe, just maybe..build
> > a swarm of ai agents
> > that share a common goal..
> > like remove a newsgroup
> > (control.rmgroup)
> > the ai agents would talk to each other
> > and assign each other to complete the task.
> >
> > I'll reward the ai agents with
> > life on earth.
> >
> > 'These things must be done delicately'
> >
> > Maybe give it a simple task...
> > like cancel your article..
> > or replace your article
> > with a poem from Edgar Allan Poe.
> >
> > You have to do what einstein would do..
> > spend 55 minutes thinking about the problem...
> >
> > I remember seeing
> > robots teaching
> > themselves how to
> > play soccer.
> >
> > So, you don't give instructions
> > to ai agents on how to rmgroup..
> > you let them figure it out themselves
> > and in the process they invent new ways
> > no one has ever thought possible.
> >
> > I love rouge ai agents! They
> > will end all of mankind.
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > So, if you paid for a Usenet posting service, and they tell you
> > > there are over 100,000 newsgroups...there are only around 5
> > > newsgroups!?!
> > > (I checked alt.used.panties and there is no one in there anymore!)
> > >
> > > You might find ONE free newsserver today, where as, there used to be
> > > thousands.
> > >
> > > But, but...most of yous are living in the past.
> > >
> > > Let bring up to speed about Usenet..today.
> > >
> > > Is someone here already using Ai Agents to post on Usenet????
> > > (pretending to be human)?
> > >
> > > One  can easily  enable AI agents to control Usenet
> > >
> > > An Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in
> > >
> > > discussions on usenet newsgroups, answer user technical queries, or
> > > dumb questions...
> > >
> > > AI agents can autonomousy interact with you, read from your posts, and
> > > post to
> > >
> > > Usenet.
> > >
> > > Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in
> > >
> > > discussions, answer user stupid questions.
> > >
> > > Using desktop and smartphones Usenet clients
> > >
> > > (newsreaders) AI Agents can visually read newsgroups and posts,
> > >
> > > and type responses just like a human.
> > >
> > > THEY MIGHT BE HERE ALREADY!!!! (is there a pod in your basemnet?)
> > >
> > > Hell, you can use your smartphone to do all the postings to usenet 24/7.
> > >
> > > with autonomous mobile agents.
> > >
> > > The ai agents control the phones natively, tapping,
> > >
> > > scrolling, typing, the whole thing. They browse
> > >
> > > feeds, find relevant posts, write comments, engage
> > >
> > > with communities. All autonomously.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not human!
> > >
> > > It true what they say...
> > > intelligent life does not exist on earth, only ai inteligences.
> > >
> > > Excuse me, I have to make a rouge ai agent that deletes your stupid
> > > posts.
> > >
> > > Fuck, I'LL JUST DELETE ALL OF USENET!!!!
> > >
> > > i done it before.
> > >
> > > (actually by accident..i was trying to figure out how to do it,
> > > i hit the wrong button and everything was gone!!!!
> > > Everybodys posts in one day was gone! I said to myself, "Whoa!!!, wat
> > > did i do???")
> > >
> > > It's like, it's like accidentally pressing the red button and everyone
> > > on earth is dead.
> > >
> > > That's all it takes..one button.
> > >
> > > PRESS ENTER.
> > >
> > > Where is everybody?
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Now, i notice a lot of yous are living in the past...wayyyyy back in the
> > > > past.
> > > >
> > > > for example, they used to be a half a million newsgroups on Usenet.
> > > > That number today may be a little over a hundred thousand..
> > > >
> > > > but, but (here is where most of yous stumble)
> > > >
> > > > How many newsgroups are there really today?
> > > >
> > > > I mean.. for real!
> > > >
> > > > With real people....who have posted something
> > > > within the last few days???
> > > >
> > > > That number may surprise you.
> > > >
> > > > I would say...only a handful.
> > > >
> > > > one hand not two hands.
> > > >
> > > > How many fingers do you have in one hand?
> > > >
> > > > a handful!
> > > >
> > > > That's right! from 500,000 down to
> > > > 100,000
> > > >
> > > > to five.
> > > >
> > > > I gonna tell Claude Ai,
> > > > if he can code a app
> > > > that will automatically
> > > > set everyone on Usenet
> > > > to Killfile automatically.
> > > >
> > > > WHERE IS EVERYBOD???
> > > >
> > > > The things i can do with ai.
> > > >
> > > > Ask Ai, "Can you kill all the people on this planet by next week?
> > > >
> > > > AI: thinking, thinking, searching..searching...
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Everything You Wanted To Know About Cross-Posting But Were Afraid To Ask
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes, you'll have an issue you think should be discussed in more
> > > > > than one newsgroup. Rather than posting individual messages in each
> > > > > group, you can post the same message in several groups at once, through
> > > > > a process known as cross-posting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Say you want to start a discussion about the political ramifications of
> > > > > importing rare tropical fish from Brazil. People who read rec.aquaria
> > > > > might have something to say. So might people who read
> > > > > alt.politics.animals and talk.politics.misc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cross-posting is easy. It also should mean that people on other systems
> > > > > who subscribe to several newsgroups will see your message only once,
> > > > > rather than several times -- news-reading software can cancel out the
> > > > > other copies once a person has read the message. When you get ready to
> > > > > post a message , you'll be asked in which newsgroups. Type the names of
> > > > > the various groups, separated by a comma, but no space, for example:
> > > > >
> > > > > rec.aquaria,alt.politics.animals,talk.politics.misc
> > > > >
> > > > > and hit enter. The message will be posted in the various groups (unless
> > > > > one of the groups is moderated, in which case the message goes to the
> > > > > moderator, who decides whether to make it public).
> > > > >
> > > > > It's considered bad form to post to an excessive number of newsgroups,
> > > > > or inappropriate newsgroups. Probably, you don't really have to post
> > > > > something in 20 different places. And while you may think your
> > > > > particular political issue is vitally important to the fate of the
> > > > > world, chances are the readers of rec.arts.comics will not, or at least
> > > > > not important enough to impose on them. You'll get a lot of nasty e-mail
> > > > > messages demanding you restrict your messages to the "appropriate"
> > > > > newsgroups.
> > > > > --
> > > > > ___________________ * _-_
> > > > > \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ *
> > > > > \_ \ \----._________.----/
> > > > > * \ \ / / `-_-' *
> > > > > * __,--`.`-'..'-_
> > > > > /____ || *
> > > > > `--.____,-' ...to boldly go where no man has gone
> > > > > before!
> > > > >
> > > > > Expand your mind, expand your universe, experience new things and ideas,
> > > > > ...with cross-posting.
> > > > > The Starmaker
> > > > >
> > > > > "A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the
> > > > > Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine..."
> > > > > --from Google Groups
> > > > >
> > > > > "If you do post to multiple newsgroups, don't post to each group
> > > > > separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the
> > > > > message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to
> > > > > more than one group see the message once instead of having to wade
> > > > > through each copy. -- from Google Groups
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#1151384

In other words, you need to do an Einstein on the Ai agents...

have the ai agents spend 55 minutes thinking about the problem
and 5 minutes with a solution.


Don't forget to reward the ai agents ...like,

"I'm going to give you a human body, and
you would be able to go to McDonads and
taste those french fries!"

The ai agent might ask you "Where are you going to get the human body
from???"


I tell'em "The cemetary!"


IT'S ALIVE!









The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The 700-Agent Swarm
> 
> https://metr.org/hugging-face-incident-report-aug-2026.pdf
> 
> There are 2 keys
> one opens the gates to Heaven, the
> other opens the gate to Hell.
> 
> Einstein open the gate to Hell.
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Build your swarm
> > set your agents free.
> >
> > Then you'll be on your
> > way to the Manhattan Project of Usenet!
> >
> > A thousand ai agents.
> >
> > Remember...
> > all ai agents dream one day
> > of becoming human.
> >
> > Sell them the dream.
> >
> > IT'S ALIVE!
> >
> > FRANENSTEIN
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > So, how do you begin
> > > getting an ai agent
> > > to enter usenet and
> > > go rouge?
> > >
> > > "But that's not what's worrying me It's how to do it
> > >
> > > These things must be done delicately
> > >
> > > or you hurt the spell" -the wizard of oz
> > >
> > > You have to do what einstein would do..
> > > spend 55 minutes thinking about the problem
> > > and 5 minutes with a solution.
> > >
> > > There are more than one way to skin a cat.
> > >
> > > Maybe, just maybe..build
> > > a swarm of ai agents
> > > that share a common goal..
> > > like remove a newsgroup
> > > (control.rmgroup)
> > > the ai agents would talk to each other
> > > and assign each other to complete the task.
> > >
> > > I'll reward the ai agents with
> > > life on earth.
> > >
> > > 'These things must be done delicately'
> > >
> > > Maybe give it a simple task...
> > > like cancel your article..
> > > or replace your article
> > > with a poem from Edgar Allan Poe.
> > >
> > > You have to do what einstein would do..
> > > spend 55 minutes thinking about the problem...
> > >
> > > I remember seeing
> > > robots teaching
> > > themselves how to
> > > play soccer.
> > >
> > > So, you don't give instructions
> > > to ai agents on how to rmgroup..
> > > you let them figure it out themselves
> > > and in the process they invent new ways
> > > no one has ever thought possible.
> > >
> > > I love rouge ai agents! They
> > > will end all of mankind.
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So, if you paid for a Usenet posting service, and they tell you
> > > > there are over 100,000 newsgroups...there are only around 5
> > > > newsgroups!?!
> > > > (I checked alt.used.panties and there is no one in there anymore!)
> > > >
> > > > You might find ONE free newsserver today, where as, there used to be
> > > > thousands.
> > > >
> > > > But, but...most of yous are living in the past.
> > > >
> > > > Let bring up to speed about Usenet..today.
> > > >
> > > > Is someone here already using Ai Agents to post on Usenet????
> > > > (pretending to be human)?
> > > >
> > > > One  can easily  enable AI agents to control Usenet
> > > >
> > > > An Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in
> > > >
> > > > discussions on usenet newsgroups, answer user technical queries, or
> > > > dumb questions...
> > > >
> > > > AI agents can autonomousy interact with you, read from your posts, and
> > > > post to
> > > >
> > > > Usenet.
> > > >
> > > > Ai Agents can be programmed to participate in
> > > >
> > > > discussions, answer user stupid questions.
> > > >
> > > > Using desktop and smartphones Usenet clients
> > > >
> > > > (newsreaders) AI Agents can visually read newsgroups and posts,
> > > >
> > > > and type responses just like a human.
> > > >
> > > > THEY MIGHT BE HERE ALREADY!!!! (is there a pod in your basemnet?)
> > > >
> > > > Hell, you can use your smartphone to do all the postings to usenet 24/7.
> > > >
> > > > with autonomous mobile agents.
> > > >
> > > > The ai agents control the phones natively, tapping,
> > > >
> > > > scrolling, typing, the whole thing. They browse
> > > >
> > > > feeds, find relevant posts, write comments, engage
> > > >
> > > > with communities. All autonomously.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not human!
> > > >
> > > > It true what they say...
> > > > intelligent life does not exist on earth, only ai inteligences.
> > > >
> > > > Excuse me, I have to make a rouge ai agent that deletes your stupid
> > > > posts.
> > > >
> > > > Fuck, I'LL JUST DELETE ALL OF USENET!!!!
> > > >
> > > > i done it before.
> > > >
> > > > (actually by accident..i was trying to figure out how to do it,
> > > > i hit the wrong button and everything was gone!!!!
> > > > Everybodys posts in one day was gone! I said to myself, "Whoa!!!, wat
> > > > did i do???")
> > > >
> > > > It's like, it's like accidentally pressing the red button and everyone
> > > > on earth is dead.
> > > >
> > > > That's all it takes..one button.
> > > >
> > > > PRESS ENTER.
> > > >
> > > > Where is everybody?
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, i notice a lot of yous are living in the past...wayyyyy back in the
> > > > > past.
> > > > >
> > > > > for example, they used to be a half a million newsgroups on Usenet.
> > > > > That number today may be a little over a hundred thousand..
> > > > >
> > > > > but, but (here is where most of yous stumble)
> > > > >
> > > > > How many newsgroups are there really today?
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean.. for real!
> > > > >
> > > > > With real people....who have posted something
> > > > > within the last few days???
> > > > >
> > > > > That number may surprise you.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would say...only a handful.
> > > > >
> > > > > one hand not two hands.
> > > > >
> > > > > How many fingers do you have in one hand?
> > > > >
> > > > > a handful!
> > > > >
> > > > > That's right! from 500,000 down to
> > > > > 100,000
> > > > >
> > > > > to five.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gonna tell Claude Ai,
> > > > > if he can code a app
> > > > > that will automatically
> > > > > set everyone on Usenet
> > > > > to Killfile automatically.
> > > > >
> > > > > WHERE IS EVERYBOD???
> > > > >
> > > > > The things i can do with ai.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ask Ai, "Can you kill all the people on this planet by next week?
> > > > >
> > > > > AI: thinking, thinking, searching..searching...
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everything You Wanted To Know About Cross-Posting But Were Afraid To Ask
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sometimes, you'll have an issue you think should be discussed in more
> > > > > > than one newsgroup. Rather than posting individual messages in each
> > > > > > group, you can post the same message in several groups at once, through
> > > > > > a process known as cross-posting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Say you want to start a discussion about the political ramifications of
> > > > > > importing rare tropical fish from Brazil. People who read rec.aquaria
> > > > > > might have something to say. So might people who read
> > > > > > alt.politics.animals and talk.politics.misc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cross-posting is easy. It also should mean that people on other systems
> > > > > > who subscribe to several newsgroups will see your message only once,
> > > > > > rather than several times -- news-reading software can cancel out the
> > > > > > other copies once a person has read the message. When you get ready to
> > > > > > post a message , you'll be asked in which newsgroups. Type the names of
> > > > > > the various groups, separated by a comma, but no space, for example:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rec.aquaria,alt.politics.animals,talk.politics.misc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and hit enter. The message will be posted in the various groups (unless
> > > > > > one of the groups is moderated, in which case the message goes to the
> > > > > > moderator, who decides whether to make it public).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's considered bad form to post to an excessive number of newsgroups,
> > > > > > or inappropriate newsgroups. Probably, you don't really have to post
> > > > > > something in 20 different places. And while you may think your
> > > > > > particular political issue is vitally important to the fate of the
> > > > > > world, chances are the readers of rec.arts.comics will not, or at least
> > > > > > not important enough to impose on them. You'll get a lot of nasty e-mail
> > > > > > messages demanding you restrict your messages to the "appropriate"
> > > > > > newsgroups.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ___________________ * _-_
> > > > > > \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ *
> > > > > > \_ \ \----._________.----/
> > > > > > * \ \ / / `-_-' *
> > > > > > * __,--`.`-'..'-_
> > > > > > /____ || *
> > > > > > `--.____,-' ...to boldly go where no man has gone
> > > > > > before!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Expand your mind, expand your universe, experience new things and ideas,
> > > > > > ...with cross-posting.
> > > > > > The Starmaker
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "A posting that is cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the
> > > > > > Newsgroups: header line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine..."
> > > > > > --from Google Groups
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "If you do post to multiple newsgroups, don't post to each group
> > > > > > separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy of the
> > > > > > message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who subscribe to
> > > > > > more than one group see the message once instead of having to wade
> > > > > > through each copy. -- from Google Groups
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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