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Fireman

Started byHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
First post2026-07-15 08:18 +0100
Last post2026-07-17 22:51 +0200
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  Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 08:18 +0100
    Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-15 17:37 +1000
    Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-15 07:47 +0000
    Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-15 11:01 +0200
    Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-15 11:07 +0200
      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 10:23 +0100
      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-15 21:50 +0200
        Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 16:13 -0400
          Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-16 09:52 +1000
          Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-16 07:35 +0200
        Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-16 07:09 +0200
    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-15 10:20 +0100
    Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-15 10:33 +0000
    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 07:03 -0400
      Re: Fireman HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-07-15 12:35 +0100
        Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 07:44 -0400
          Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-15 12:51 +0100
            Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 08:45 -0400
              Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-15 21:25 +0100
          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 14:47 +0100
            Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-15 15:43 +0000
              Re: Fireman occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-15 18:03 +0200
              Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-16 09:58 +1000
                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-16 09:06 +0000
                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-16 09:19 +0000
              Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-18 13:05 +0200
                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 16:26 +0100
                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 16:29 +0100
                    Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-18 17:51 +0200
                  Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-18 19:02 +0100
                  Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 20:58 +0100
                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 16:34 -0400
                      Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 22:14 +0100
                        Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:13 -0400
            Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-15 12:13 -0400
            Man vs woman vs man vs monkey Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-16 07:18 +0200
          Re: Fireman occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-15 17:09 +0200
            Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-16 23:34 +0200
              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-16 19:33 -0400
                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-17 09:49 +1000
                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 06:54 +0100
                    Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-17 09:41 +0100
                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 10:26 +0100
                      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:00 +0100
                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 11:02 +0100
                          Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-17 20:47 +1000
                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 13:54 +0100
                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-17 19:23 +0100
                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 20:35 +0100
                              Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 20:15 +0000
                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-17 21:39 +0100
                                  Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 20:51 +0000
                                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 07:10 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 08:04 +0100
                                        Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-18 17:36 +1000
                                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 10:43 +0100
                                            Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:05 +0100
                                            Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-18 10:06 +0000
                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:28 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-18 10:00 +0200
                                        Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-18 20:50 +0100
                                          Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-19 08:21 +0200
                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-19 09:26 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 16:04 +0000
                              Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-17 22:17 +0100
                                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 06:38 +0100
                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-18 07:19 +0000
                                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-18 13:51 +0000
                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-19 09:26 +0100
                                  Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 08:59 +0000
                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 10:43 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:52 +0000
                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:21 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-20 17:27 +0200
                                        Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 17:01 +0000
                                          Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 21:30 +0100
                                            Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 17:22 -0400
                                              Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-21 10:16 +0100
                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                                                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 16:42 +0000
                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                                                      Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 14:12 -0400
                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-22 20:29 +0200
                                                          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-22 16:44 -0400
                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 09:50 +0200
                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:36 +1000
                                                              Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-23 15:02 -0700
                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 20:44 +0100
                                                          Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 08:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 12:00 +0100
                                                          Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-23 11:58 +0100
                                                            Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 13:02 +0100
                                                              Re: Fireman [OT] Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 23:24 +1000
                                                                Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
                                                                  Re: Fireman [OT] Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 18:00 +0200
                                                                    Re: Fireman [OT] Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 17:24 +0100
                                                                      Re: Fireman [OT] Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-23 18:37 +0200
                                                                    Re: Fireman [OT] liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 17:42 +0100
                                                                      Re: Fireman [OT] Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-23 13:20 -0400
                                                                        Re: Fireman [OT] Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-24 08:15 +0000
                                                                          Re: Fireman [OT] msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2026-07-24 18:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: Fireman [OT] "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-25 12:29 +0200
                                                              Re: Fireman [OT] Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-24 16:30 +0100
                                                      Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 09:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-23 14:00 +0200
                                                          Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 14:23 +0100
                                                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-23 15:35 +0100
                                                              Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-23 18:33 +0100
                                                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-24 09:23 +0100
                                                              Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-24 21:37 +0100
                                                                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-24 23:04 -0400
                                                                  Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                                                                    Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-28 10:22 +0100
                                                                      Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 09:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:03 -0700
                                                                          Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 09:14 +0100
                                                                      Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-28 20:48 +1000
                                                                        Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 13:59 +0200
                                                                          Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 13:28 +0000
                                                                            Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-28 21:42 +0200
                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 20:31 +0000
                                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                                                                          Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-28 17:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 09:36 +0100
                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-01 14:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-08 20:21 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-08 20:42 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 12:01 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-09 15:04 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 14:21 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-09 22:53 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 16:52 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 06:59 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 09:38 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 10:24 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-10 11:02 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 16:45 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-10 17:14 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-11 06:52 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 12:06 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-10 13:20 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 09:52 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-11 09:00 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-10 10:47 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-13 11:06 +0530
                                                                          Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-28 18:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 09:36 +0100
                                                                              Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 16:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 19:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 18:55 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 19:49 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-09 20:08 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-09 23:27 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 22:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 13:25 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-10 17:28 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 16:34 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 17:00 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-10 20:15 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-10 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-11 09:13 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-11 09:44 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-11 10:22 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-10 17:50 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-11 10:32 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 08:51 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-08 20:21 +0100
                                                                                Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 20:26 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-07-29 19:20 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-30 07:13 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 00:07 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-30 10:13 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-30 09:48 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-30 11:51 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 21:55 +1000
                                                                            Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 18:17 +0000
                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 21:53 +0200
                                                                                Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 20:01 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2026-08-02 21:41 +0000
                                                                              Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-02 21:55 +0200
                                                                        Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-28 22:02 +0100
                                                                          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-28 18:51 -0400
                                                                            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 01:51 +0100
                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-29 07:01 +0200
                                                                              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 09:25 -0400
                                                                                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 14:43 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:35 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 15:47 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 10:58 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-30 06:26 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:24 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-30 22:05 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:33 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-31 08:56 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:50 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:56 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:34 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 11:13 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 16:38 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 12:12 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-29 19:58 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-29 21:00 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-29 22:13 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:47 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:26 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-07-29 21:07 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:36 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 20:31 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-30 22:21 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-30 23:41 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 19:31 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-31 21:52 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 03:54 -0300
                                                                                                      Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-03 19:58 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-03 21:40 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-03 20:51 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-03 23:10 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:17 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:45 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-30 10:22 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:40 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-31 05:52 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-07-31 04:01 -0300
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-01 11:24 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Madhu <enometh@meer.net> - 2026-08-03 19:29 +0530
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Brian Boutel <bboutel@me.com> - 2026-07-31 19:09 +1200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-31 09:20 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-31 09:57 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-31 14:37 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-02 22:38 +0200
                                                                                Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:13 -0700
                                                                                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-30 19:28 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 14:08 -0400
                                                                      Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-28 16:55 +0100
                                                                        Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-29 16:17 +0100
                                                                          Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-29 18:27 +0100
                                                                            Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-29 23:50 +0100
                                                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 13:21 +0100
                                                                                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:20 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 16:37 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 10:59 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> - 2026-08-05 11:08 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 17:36 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-05 16:46 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:03 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 10:35 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:03 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 08:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 09:28 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:12 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-06 22:28 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-06 08:01 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 09:21 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-06 15:00 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 11:33 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 21:13 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-07 16:22 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 22:52 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-08 20:25 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:12 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-08-09 21:06 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 13:17 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 19:26 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2026-08-05 21:38 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 23:54 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2026-08-07 02:11 -0300
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-07 16:56 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-08-07 16:42 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-08 09:29 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 00:40 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 12:47 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-08-06 17:30 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-05 17:04 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-08-05 18:55 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:50 +0100
                                                                                Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-08-05 17:49 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-06 06:26 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Fireman Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-08-06 10:20 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-07 06:29 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-07 10:47 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 07:08 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-08 11:57 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:29 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Fireman Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-08-08 11:01 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Fireman "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-08 22:24 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-08-09 11:43 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-08-09 09:49 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Fireman Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-08-09 17:44 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-06 10:51 +0200
                                                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-05 22:22 +0200
                                                                              Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-08-09 11:03 +0100
                                                                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-08-09 21:14 +0200
                                                                      Re: Fireman "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> - 2026-07-31 22:39 +0200
                                                                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 11:16 +0100
                                                                  Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-25 21:19 +1000
                                                                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-25 13:55 +0100
                                                                Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-25 19:45 +0100
                                                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:13 +0000
                                            Sex, gender, biology and related or unrelated terms Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-21 08:28 +0200
                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                                    Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-19 13:14 +0000
                                      Re: Fireman "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> - 2026-07-19 17:40 +0000
                                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 09:42 +0100
                                          Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-20 09:25 -0400
                                            Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                                              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 08:54 -0400
                                                Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 14:38 +0100
                                            Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 11:28 +0200
                                              Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 09:19 -0400
                                                Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-21 15:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 11:30 -0400
                                                  Re: Fireman Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 10:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 22:03 +0200
                                                    Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-21 19:59 -0400
                                                      Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                                  Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-20 10:39 +0000
                                    Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-20 12:12 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-20 13:08 +0000
                                      Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-20 22:11 +0100
                              Re: Fireman Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-07-18 22:40 +0100
                                Re: Fireman Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-07-22 00:03 -0700
                                  Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 09:01 +0100
                                    Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-22 09:51 +0000
                                      Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:22 -0400
                                        Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 13:08 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 12:15 +0100
                                      Re: Fireman liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-22 21:31 +0100
                                  Re: Fireman The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> - 2026-07-22 06:11 -0400
                        Re: Fireman Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-17 17:17 +0200
                      Re: Fireman ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-07-17 11:25 +0000
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 15:46 +0200
                  Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 11:44 -0400
                    Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:29 +0200
                      Re: Fireman Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-17 18:35 -0400
                        Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-19 12:06 +0200
                    Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-20 06:25 +0100
                      Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-20 17:45 +1000
                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-21 06:42 +0100
                      Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-21 13:56 +0200
                        Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-22 06:47 +0100
                          Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-22 23:12 +0200
                            Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 00:03 +0000
                              Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                                Re: Fireman richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-23 09:23 +0000
                                  Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 14:56 +0200
                                  Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:37 +0100
                                    Re: Fireman athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-23 16:20 +0000
                              Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 20:41 +1000
                            Re: Fireman Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-23 11:49 +1000
                              School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-23 06:46 +0200
                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-23 05:58 +0100
                                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-23 10:56 +0200
                            Re: Fireman JNugent <JNugent73@mail.com> - 2026-08-04 09:45 +0100
                              Re: Fireman Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-08-04 11:20 +0100
              Re: Fireman Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-17 20:08 +0100
                Re: Fireman nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-17 21:36 +0200
                Re: Fireman Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-17 22:51 +0200

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#1146923 — Fireman

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-07-15 08:18 +0100
SubjectFireman
Message-ID<nboqhrFfp2qU1@mid.individual.net>
Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong idea. A 
part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using petrol and a 
lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there. There are big fires 
there now, which will take weeks to extinguish, because of the peaty ground.

« [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis le feu 
à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] » -
<https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dans-la-foret-de-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gardes-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html>

I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a fireman. I 
suppose they played truant during the induction course and have missed 
the essential idea.

As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to burn 
books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step further; it's 
burning the wood before it's made into paper.

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#1146926

FromPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Date2026-07-15 17:37 +1000
Message-ID<1137dc4$10mn8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1146923
On 15/07/26 17:18, Hibou wrote:
> Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong idea. A
> part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using petrol and a
> lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there. There are big fires
> there now, which will take weeks to extinguish, because of the peaty
> ground.
>
> « [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis le feu
> à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] » -
> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dans-la-foret-de-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gardes-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html>
>
> I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a fireman. I
> suppose they played truant during the induction course and have missed
> the essential idea.

I've heard of multiple such cases in this region. It seems that some
people join the fire brigade because they are fascinated by fires. In a
couple of instances, someone started a grass fire, then called the fire
brigade; but the conditions were such that the fire had meanwhile gone
out of control.

> As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to burn
> books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step further; it's
> burning the wood before it's made into paper.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1146927

Fromathel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
Date2026-07-15 07:47 +0000
Message-ID<1784101679-12588@newsgrouper.org>
In reply to#1146923
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> posted:

> Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong idea. A 
> part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using petrol and a 
> lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there.

Not a unique case, alas.

> There are big fires 
> there now, which will take weeks to extinguish, because of the peaty ground.
> 
> « [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis le feu 
> à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] » -
> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dans-la-foret-de-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gardes-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html>
> 
> I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a fireman.

Yes

> I 
> suppose they played truant during the induction course and have missed 
> the essential idea.
> 
> As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to burn 
> books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step further; it's 
> burning the wood before it's made into paper.
> 


-- 
athel

Living in Marseilles for 39 years; mainly in England before that,
with long periods in Singapore, California, Chile and Canada 

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#1146931

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2026-07-15 11:01 +0200
Message-ID<1rya82c.1ungkzx124wl0jN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#1146923
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong idea. A
> part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using petrol and a 
> lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there. There are big fires
> there now, which will take weeks to extinguish, because of the peaty ground.
> 
> « [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis le feu
> à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] » -
> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dans-la-foret-d
e-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gardes-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html>
> 
> I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a fireman. I
> suppose they played truant during the induction course and have missed
> the essential idea.
> 
> As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to burn 
> books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step further; it's
> burning the wood before it's made into paper.

Or the oaks before they can be made into Notre Dame roof,

Jan


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#1146934

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2026-07-15 11:07 +0200
Message-ID<l5je5l190shgclee0r0c1knkne3s3t9cvr@4ax.com>
In reply to#1146923
On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 08:18:18 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>Firemen normally put fires out

Until about 50-60 years ago more firemen were employed to keep fires
burning than to put them out, back in the days when steam-powered
trains were more common than they are today.

And nowadays those whose job is to put fires out are more commonly
called "firefighters". 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#1146936

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-07-15 10:23 +0100
Message-ID<nbp1slFgv74U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1146934
Le 15/07/2026 à 10:07, Steve Hayes a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
>>
>> Firemen normally put fires out
> 
> Until about 50-60 years ago more firemen were employed to keep fires
> burning than to put them out, back in the days when steam-powered
> trains were more common than they are today.


Good point. I suppose they were 'stokers' on ships.

> And nowadays those whose job is to put fires out are more commonly
> called "firefighters".


That could be political correctness, or it could be to ensure they've 
understood the job.

The crossover was in ~1980 in AmE, ~1998 in BrE:

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=firemen%2Cfirefighters&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en-GB&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=false>

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#1146961

FromBertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk>
Date2026-07-15 21:50 +0200
Message-ID<1138oag$1ee82$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1146934
Den 15.07.2026 kl. 11.07 skrev Steve Hayes:

> Until about 50-60 years ago more firemen were employed to keep fires
> burning than to put them out, back in the days when steam-powered
> trains were more common than they are today.
> 
> And nowadays those whose job is to put fires out are more commonly
> called "firefighters".

I saw a tv program once where a selftaught expert demonstrated how he 
could start a fire which he could control and thus avoid an 
uncontrollable wildfire. His idea was that you should do this once in a 
while before there was too much dry matter.

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1146963

FromTony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
Date2026-07-15 16:13 -0400
Message-ID<q1qf5lpfr66e1sir9gneg57itrkq7pu0qs@4ax.com>
In reply to#1146961
On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 21:50:40 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
<rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>Den 15.07.2026 kl. 11.07 skrev Steve Hayes:
>
>> Until about 50-60 years ago more firemen were employed to keep fires
>> burning than to put them out, back in the days when steam-powered
>> trains were more common than they are today.
>> 
>> And nowadays those whose job is to put fires out are more commonly
>> called "firefighters".
>
>I saw a tv program once where a selftaught expert demonstrated how he 
>could start a fire which he could control and thus avoid an 
>uncontrollable wildfire. His idea was that you should do this once in a 
>while before there was too much dry matter.

That's done routinely in Florida.  It's called a "controlled burn" rp
"prescribed fire program".  The Florida Forest Service issues permits
for about 88,000 of these a year.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_burn

While they are beneficial, they often cause highway problems when the
smoke impairs vision on major routes.  

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#1146971

FromPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Date2026-07-16 09:52 +1000
Message-ID<11396fk$1ism3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1146963
On 16/07/26 06:13, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 21:50:40 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
> <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>> I saw a tv program once where a selftaught expert demonstrated how
>> he could start a fire which he could control and thus avoid an
>> uncontrollable wildfire. His idea was that you should do this once
>> in a while before there was too much dry matter.
>
> That's done routinely in Florida.  It's called a "controlled burn" rp
> "prescribed fire program".  The Florida Forest Service issues permits
> for about 88,000 of these a year.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_burn
>
> While they are beneficial, they often cause highway problems when the
> smoke impairs vision on major routes.

Called "backburning" in Australia. Ideally it's done a little before the
bushfire season, to reduce the fuel load. When a dangerous fire is
actually burning, the backburning creates a scorched strip that (we
hope) the main fire cannot jump.

This is now harder to do because of changes in the climate. You can't do
it in wet weather, but when the dry weather comes there's a serious risk
that your controlled burn will get out of control. Bushfires these days
run a lot hotter than they used to.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#1146979

FromBertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk>
Date2026-07-16 07:35 +0200
Message-ID<1139qia$1nl30$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1146963
Den 15.07.2026 kl. 22.13 skrev Tony Cooper:

> That's done routinely in Florida.  It's called a "controlled burn" rp
> "prescribed fire program".  The Florida Forest Service issues permits
> for about 88,000 of these a year.
>   
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_burn
> 
> While they are beneficial, they often cause highway problems when the
> smoke impairs vision on major routes.

In the Wikipedia article I saw the word "fynbos". That's funny for me 
because "fynbo" in Danish means a person living on Fyn (Funen).

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1146976

FromSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>
Date2026-07-16 07:09 +0200
Message-ID<phpg5lt4799tguhssq1t2m46pvrkpkvm5q@4ax.com>
In reply to#1146961
On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 21:50:40 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
<rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>I saw a tv program once where a selftaught expert demonstrated how he 
>could start a fire which he could control and thus avoid an 
>uncontrollable wildfire. His idea was that you should do this once in a 
>while before there was too much dry matter.

About 40 years ago we had a brief holiday in a nature reserve where a
postgraduate student was doing research of the effects of fires and
public perception of fires in such places. 

His thesis was that fires were necessary to stop natural grassland
from turning to scrub, and that public perception that fires in nature
reserves were a Bad Thing needed to change. 

Of course such burning needed to be controlled, as it could prove
disastrous if it spread into neighbouring farmland and pastures and
destroyed their winter grazing. 


-- 
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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#1146935

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2026-07-15 10:20 +0100
Message-ID<1rya9zk.9ldo701qp8zcwN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#1146923
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Firemen normally put fires out, 

In English it can also mean the person who shovels coal into the firebox
of a steam locomotive.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#1146940

Fromrichard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
Date2026-07-15 10:33 +0000
Message-ID<1137nmd$1b4fe$3@artemis.inf.ed.ac.uk>
In reply to#1146923
In article <nboqhrFfp2qU1@mid.individual.net>,
Hibou  <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong idea. A 
>part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using petrol and a 
>lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_syndrome#Firefighter_arson

-- Richard

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#1146941

FromTony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
Date2026-07-15 07:03 -0400
Message-ID<bspe5ltqq29oene132rucgdg4iuh0m18m3@4ax.com>
In reply to#1146923
On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 08:18:18 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong idea. A 
>part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using petrol and a 
>lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there. There are big fires 
>there now, which will take weeks to extinguish, because of the peaty ground.
>
>« [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis le feu 
>à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] » -
><https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dans-la-foret-de-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gardes-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html>
>
>I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a fireman. I 
>suppose they played truant during the induction course and have missed 
>the essential idea.
>
>As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to burn 
>books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step further; it's 
>burning the wood before it's made into paper.


It's now "firefighter" because, probably, "man" on the end of it is
not acceptable.

Like the "chairman" becoming the "chairperson".  

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#1146942

FromHVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
Date2026-07-15 12:35 +0100
Message-ID<XnsB48A80204E7A7whhvans@77.42.22.226>
In reply to#1146941
On 15 Jul 2026, Tony Cooper wrote

> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 08:18:18 +0100, Hibou
><vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong
>> idea. A part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using
>> petrol and a lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there.
>> There are big fires there now, which will take weeks to
>> extinguish, because of the peaty ground. 
>> 
>> « [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis
>> le feu à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] »
>> - 
>> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dan
>> s-la-foret-de-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gar
>> des-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html> 
>> 
>> I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a
>> fireman. I suppose they played truant during the induction course
>> and have missed the essential idea.
>> 
>> As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to
>> burn books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step
>> further; it's burning the wood before it's made into paper.
> 
> 
> It's now "firefighter" because, probably, "man" on the end of it
> is not acceptable.
> 
> Like the "chairman" becoming the "chairperson".  

I'd say that it's not that those terms are "not acceptable" -- it's 
that they're now often inaccurate.

This isn't a huge deal for me, but not everything needs to be viewed 
through culture-war glasses.  Some of us prefer to use accurate 
rather than inaccurate/ill-fitting names for things.

Anyway, hasn't "chairperson" largely been supplanted by "chair"?

-- 
Cheers, Harvey

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#1146944

FromTony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
Date2026-07-15 07:44 -0400
Message-ID<dase5l12010o32vgr1fh84810cvent89k1@4ax.com>
In reply to#1146942
On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:35:43 +0100, HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 15 Jul 2026, Tony Cooper wrote
>
>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 08:18:18 +0100, Hibou
>><vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong
>>> idea. A part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using
>>> petrol and a lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there.
>>> There are big fires there now, which will take weeks to
>>> extinguish, because of the peaty ground. 
>>> 
>>> « [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis
>>> le feu à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] »
>>> - 
>>> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dan
>>> s-la-foret-de-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gar
>>> des-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html> 
>>> 
>>> I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a
>>> fireman. I suppose they played truant during the induction course
>>> and have missed the essential idea.
>>> 
>>> As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to
>>> burn books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step
>>> further; it's burning the wood before it's made into paper.
>> 
>> 
>> It's now "firefighter" because, probably, "man" on the end of it
>> is not acceptable.
>> 
>> Like the "chairman" becoming the "chairperson".  
>
>I'd say that it's not that those terms are "not acceptable" -- it's 
>that they're now often inaccurate.

Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
female.  

>
>This isn't a huge deal for me, but not everything needs to be viewed 
>through culture-war glasses.  Some of us prefer to use accurate 
>rather than inaccurate/ill-fitting names for things.
>
>Anyway, hasn't "chairperson" largely been supplanted by "chair"?

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#1146945

Fromliz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
Date2026-07-15 12:51 +0100
Message-ID<1ryagxj.1fjysrf1k2hsm7N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>
In reply to#1146944
Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:35:43 +0100, HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> >On 15 Jul 2026, Tony Cooper wrote
> >
> >> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 08:18:18 +0100, Hibou
> >><vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong
> >>> idea. A part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using
> >>> petrol and a lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there.
> >>> There are big fires there now, which will take weeks to
> >>> extinguish, because of the peaty ground. 
> >>> 
> >>> « [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis
> >>> le feu à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] »
> >>> - 
> >>> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dan
> >>> s-la-foret-de-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gar
> >>> des-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html> 
> >>> 
> >>> I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a
> >>> fireman. I suppose they played truant during the induction course
> >>> and have missed the essential idea.
> >>> 
> >>> As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to
> >>> burn books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step
> >>> further; it's burning the wood before it's made into paper.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> It's now "firefighter" because, probably, "man" on the end of it
> >> is not acceptable.
> >> 
> >> Like the "chairman" becoming the "chairperson".  
> >
> >I'd say that it's not that those terms are "not acceptable" -- it's 
> >that they're now often inaccurate.
> 
> Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
> firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
> female.  

Makes no difference, you still can't call women police officers "men".

I happen to know a petite (but very strong) woman firefighter.  She is
particularly valuable to her rescue squad because she can squeeze inside
a damaged car and deal with the injured occupants.


-- 
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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#1146949

FromTony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
Date2026-07-15 08:45 -0400
Message-ID<h60f5l5iucnvftlb0tpaunlb5q7s8pof4p@4ax.com>
In reply to#1146945
On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:51:54 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

>Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:35:43 +0100, HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 15 Jul 2026, Tony Cooper wrote
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 08:18:18 +0100, Hibou
>> >><vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong
>> >>> idea. A part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using
>> >>> petrol and a lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there.
>> >>> There are big fires there now, which will take weeks to
>> >>> extinguish, because of the peaty ground. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> « [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis
>> >>> le feu à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] »
>> >>> - 
>> >>> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dan
>> >>> s-la-foret-de-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gar
>> >>> des-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a
>> >>> fireman. I suppose they played truant during the induction course
>> >>> and have missed the essential idea.
>> >>> 
>> >>> As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to
>> >>> burn books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step
>> >>> further; it's burning the wood before it's made into paper.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> It's now "firefighter" because, probably, "man" on the end of it
>> >> is not acceptable.
>> >> 
>> >> Like the "chairman" becoming the "chairperson".  
>> >
>> >I'd say that it's not that those terms are "not acceptable" -- it's 
>> >that they're now often inaccurate.
>> 
>> Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
>> firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
>> female.  
>
>Makes no difference, you still can't call women police officers "men".

Oh, I don't.  


The term for police now seems to be "LEOs"  Law Enforcement Officers.

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#1146965

FromSam Plusnet <not@home.com>
Date2026-07-15 21:25 +0100
Message-ID<W0S5S.2353$_Off.2197@fx12.ams1>
In reply to#1146949
On 15/07/2026 13:45, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:51:54 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
> 
>> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:35:43 +0100, HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15 Jul 2026, Tony Cooper wrote
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jul 2026 08:18:18 +0100, Hibou
>>>>> <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Firemen normally put fires out, but some seem to have the wrong
>>>>>> idea. A part-time fireman at Fontainebleau has admitted using
>>>>>> petrol and a lighter to set fire to twigs in the forest there.
>>>>>> There are big fires there now, which will take weeks to
>>>>>> extinguish, because of the peaty ground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> « [...] un pompier volontaire à Fontainebleau a avoué avoir "mis
>>>>>> le feu à des brindilles avec un briquet et de l'essence" [...] »
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> <https://www.franceinfo.fr/faits-divers/incendie/les-incendies-dan
>>>>>> s-la-foret-de-fontainebleau-sont-fixes-mais-pas-eteints-quatre-gar
>>>>>> des-a-vue-encore-en-cours_8108075.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I seem to remember there was a case last year of arson by a
>>>>>> fireman. I suppose they played truant during the induction course
>>>>>> and have missed the essential idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I recall, the job of the firemen in 'Fahrenheit 451' was to
>>>>>> burn books. Setting fire to forests may be taking this a step
>>>>>> further; it's burning the wood before it's made into paper.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's now "firefighter" because, probably, "man" on the end of it
>>>>> is not acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like the "chairman" becoming the "chairperson".
>>>>
>>>> I'd say that it's not that those terms are "not acceptable" -- it's
>>>> that they're now often inaccurate.
>>>
>>> Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
>>> firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
>>> female.
>>
>> Makes no difference, you still can't call women police officers "men".
> 
> Oh, I don't.
> 
> 
> The term for police now seems to be "LEOs"  Law Enforcement Officers.
> 
But are they lionised?

-- 
Sam Plusnet

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#1146951

FromHibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
Date2026-07-15 14:47 +0100
Message-ID<nbphc4F5aaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1146944
Le 15/07/2026 à 12:44, Tony Cooper a écrit :
> HVS wrote:
>> On 15 Jul 2026, Tony Cooper wrote
>>>
>>> It's now "firefighter" because, probably, "man" on the end of it
>>> is not acceptable.
>>>
>>> Like the "chairman" becoming the "chairperson".
>>
>> I'd say that it's not that those terms are "not acceptable" -- it's
>> that they're now often inaccurate.
> 
> Not all that inaccurate in the case of "fireman".  Less than 5% of
> firefighters in the US are women.  "Policeman" includes about 13%
> female.


It isn't inaccurate to call a woman a man; it's just using 'man' in its 
original, Old English sense of 'human being'.

"The Lord had but one paire of men in paradise" - Bishop King, 1597.

'Man' has two basic senses, both of which go back to OE (OED): human 
being and male human being. The latter has come to the fore, and so 
people perceive terms such as 'chairman' to be sexist when technically 
they are neutral.

I believe the Women's Institute used to have 'chairmen' (I can't for the 
moment find confirmation of this), and I recall Victoria Coren Mitchell, 
who I think is pretty feminist, declaring on TV that she was a man in 
this sense - this in a BBC series about the OED (was that 'Balderdash & 
Piffle' in the Noughties?) Neither the WI nor VCM were in error.

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