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| Started by | "Stephen M. Jones" <smj@ma.sdf.org> |
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| First post | 2022-03-02 21:32 +0000 |
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TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 "Stephen M. Jones" <smj@ma.sdf.org> - 2022-03-02 21:32 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-03 14:30 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-03-03 16:38 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-03 17:13 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-03-03 15:33 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-03 21:55 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-04 12:06 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2022-03-04 13:23 -0800
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-06 17:29 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-06 11:34 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-06 19:40 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-12-23 11:49 -0600
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> - 2022-12-26 12:49 -0800
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2022-03-06 11:17 -0800
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-07 17:53 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-07 22:02 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-12-23 11:55 -0600
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-23 12:27 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-03-07 03:11 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> - 2022-03-08 22:46 -0800
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-09 11:10 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-03-04 00:46 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 "Stephen M. Jones" <smj@ma.sdf.org> - 2022-03-04 18:49 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-03-04 14:55 -0600
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-04 22:14 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-03-04 22:17 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2022-03-06 04:35 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-03-06 05:40 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-03-04 22:46 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-06 17:21 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-06 11:34 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-07 17:42 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 "P.Lj" <peter.ljungberg.sui@gmail.com> - 2022-03-18 13:36 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-03-06 20:43 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2022-03-07 07:11 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2022-03-07 00:33 -0800
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-03-07 17:03 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-07 15:07 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-07 17:51 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-07 17:07 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-07 11:47 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-07 19:19 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2022-03-08 10:08 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-03-08 10:54 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-08 07:49 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2022-03-08 18:52 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-03-08 17:34 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2022-03-09 00:46 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2022-03-09 06:48 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-12-23 12:07 -0600
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-09 11:11 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2022-03-09 20:10 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 "Stephen M. Jones" <smj@ma.sdf.org> - 2022-03-13 22:20 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-16 19:11 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-03-09 14:47 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Eric Swenson <eric@swenson.org> - 2022-03-11 10:25 -0800
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Sid Maxwell <srmaxwell3@gmail.com> - 2022-03-11 09:14 -0800
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 "P.Lj" <peter.ljungberg.sui@gmail.com> - 2022-03-18 13:41 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-03-08 19:47 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-03-09 01:03 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-08 16:34 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2022-03-08 18:59 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-08 22:00 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2022-03-08 21:20 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-09 11:13 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-12-23 12:13 -0600
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2022-03-11 13:56 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-12 01:12 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Phil Budne <phil.budne@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 11:40 -0800
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Phil Budne <phil.budne@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 11:43 -0800
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2022-03-12 22:01 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-07 20:18 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-07 19:37 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 14:53 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-07 20:43 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-03-07 19:52 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-03-07 17:18 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-07 22:33 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-07 22:58 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-08 00:06 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-08 07:49 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-08 15:22 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-08 11:17 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-03-08 21:09 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-08 21:33 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-07 20:24 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-03-03 15:24 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-03-03 21:06 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-03-04 22:47 -0500
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-04 12:06 -0700
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 10:48 -0600
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-03-07 17:03 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 19:52 -0600
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> - 2022-03-08 04:13 +0000
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-03-08 16:32 +0100
Re: TOPS-20 Boot Camp for VMS Users 05-Mar-2022 gah4 <gah4@u.washington.edu> - 2022-03-08 23:02 -0800
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-07 11:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1092765219.668371347.362378.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #8490 |
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> writes: >> On 2022-03-07 16:07, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: >>>> Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> writes: >>>> > >> >> It's very similar to how you'll feel today if someone throws /bin/sh at >> you, and you are used to tcsh or bash. No filename completion, no line >> editing, no interactive information, no nothing. It's like going back to >> the dark ages. > > For what it's worth, I've been using ksh since 1989 and while it supports > filename completion, I've never used it (since I use vi-style command > line editing, it takes more than just the tab key to invoke completion). > I’m always amazed when I try to use some piece of software I used to use years ago how primitive it seems now. Back then non-ISPF TSO or DOS EDLIN seemed like usable, if not much fun, pieces of software. Playing with old systems like TSS or Multics it seems like my biggest problem is lack of a decent editor. -- Pete
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2022-03-07 19:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4VsVJ.65365$oF2.34230@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #8491 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> writes: >>> On 2022-03-07 16:07, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: >>>>> Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> writes: >>>>> >> >>> >>> It's very similar to how you'll feel today if someone throws /bin/sh at >>> you, and you are used to tcsh or bash. No filename completion, no line >>> editing, no interactive information, no nothing. It's like going back to >>> the dark ages. >> >> For what it's worth, I've been using ksh since 1989 and while it supports >> filename completion, I've never used it (since I use vi-style command >> line editing, it takes more than just the tab key to invoke completion). >> > >I’m always amazed when I try to use some piece of software I used to use >years ago how primitive it seems now. Back then non-ISPF TSO or DOS EDLIN >seemed like usable, if not much fun, pieces of software. Playing with old >systems like TSS or Multics it seems like my biggest problem is lack of a >decent editor. Yeah. I occasionally fire up tss8.24 on simh just to recall the old days; using PIP to copy files seems so 1974. I also fire up the HP-3000 MPE on simh as I used that after the PDP-8, but before the VAX. Interactively, it was better than tss8.24, but compared to DCL, the command language was limited (no scripting capability, for example) - however, the concept of PASS files was an interesting feature - during a compile-link-run job the output of a step could be written to $NEWPASS and the next step would read from $OLDPASS; a transient unnamed temporary disk file. $ BASICCOMP FILE.BAS $ PREP $OLDPASS, $NEWPASS $ RUN $OLDPASS
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-03-08 10:08 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87fsnske0l.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #8491 |
On Mo 07 Mär 2022 at 11:47, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > I’m always amazed when I try to use some piece of software I used to use > years ago how primitive it seems now. Back then non-ISPF TSO or DOS EDLIN > seemed like usable, if not much fun, pieces of software. Playing with old > systems like TSS or Multics it seems like my biggest problem is lack of a > decent editor. Well, on Multics you have Emacs! That should be enough for everyone :-) 'Andreas
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2022-03-08 10:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20220308105454.8fa2f8029b50e61b7ae77fd2@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #8508 |
On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 10:08:26 +0100 Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> wrote: > On Mo 07 Mär 2022 at 11:47, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > > I’m always amazed when I try to use some piece of software I used to use > > years ago how primitive it seems now. Back then non-ISPF TSO or DOS > > EDLIN seemed like usable, if not much fun, pieces of software. Playing > > with old systems like TSS or Multics it seems like my biggest problem > > is lack of a decent editor. > > Well, on Multics you have Emacs! Right that's the user environment sorted out - now we just need a decent editor. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-08 07:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <102799188.668443547.470178.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #8508 |
Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> wrote: > On Mo 07 Mär 2022 at 11:47, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> I’m always amazed when I try to use some piece of software I used to use >> years ago how primitive it seems now. Back then non-ISPF TSO or DOS EDLIN >> seemed like usable, if not much fun, pieces of software. Playing with old >> systems like TSS or Multics it seems like my biggest problem is lack of a >> decent editor. > > Well, on Multics you have Emacs! > That should be enough for everyone :-) I’ve managed to get fifty years in without having to learn emacs. I don’t want to have to start now. -- Pete
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| From | Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-08 18:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7wmti05la5.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> |
| In reply to | #8511 |
Peter Flass wrote: > I’ve managed to get fifty years in without having to learn emacs. I don’t > want to have to start now. I'd be very impressed if you had 50 years of Emacs experience! I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a requirement in a job listing though.
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-08 17:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mddv8wonket.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #8516 |
Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:
> Peter Flass wrote:
>> I've managed to get fifty years in without having to learn emacs. I don't
>> want to have to start now.
> I'd be very impressed if you had 50 years of Emacs experience!
> I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a requirement in a job listing
> though.
I have 45 years of EMACS experience...
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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| From | Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2022-03-09 00:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <86h7874r0r.fsf@williamsburg.bawden.org> |
| In reply to | #8523 |
Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes: > I'd be very impressed if you had 50 years of Emacs experience! > I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a requirement in a job listing > though. I have 45 years of EMACS experience... I have 46. And I'd be suprised if anybody here can beat that, since I started using it during the week after its first "official" release. -- Alan Bawden
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| From | Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-09 06:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7w35jr62p9.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> |
| In reply to | #8525 |
Alan Bawden wrote: > Rich Alderson wrote: >> I have 45 years of EMACS experience... > > I have 46. And I'd be suprised if anybody here can beat that, since I > started using it during the week after its first "official" release. Only those developing "?MACS" could top that, but it will still be 46 years. Do you have a (rough) date for this "official" release? Backup records have some early timestamps but there is no way to tell what would be considered released or still in develoment. The change of name from ?/?MACS to E/EMACS can be narrowed down to November 10-11th 1976, but that is not to say it was "released" at that point.
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| From | Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-23 12:07 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <to4qok$1pmtj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #8527 |
On 3/9/2022 12:48 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Alan Bawden wrote: >> Rich Alderson wrote: >>> I have 45 years of EMACS experience... >> >> I have 46. And I'd be suprised if anybody here can beat that, since I >> started using it during the week after its first "official" release. > > Only those developing "?MACS" could top that, but it will still be 46 > years. > > Do you have a (rough) date for this "official" release? Backup records > have some early timestamps but there is no way to tell what would be > considered released or still in develoment. > > The change of name from ?/?MACS to E/EMACS can be narrowed down to > November 10-11th 1976, but that is not to say it was "released" at that > point. I always thought EMACS was discovered at Sutter's Mill back in '49... ;-) -- Charles Richmond -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
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| From | Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> |
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| Date | 2022-03-09 11:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <t09ugs$5q1$2@news.misty.com> |
| In reply to | #8525 |
On 2022-03-09 06:46, Alan Bawden wrote: > Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: > > Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes: > > > I'd be very impressed if you had 50 years of Emacs experience! > > I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a requirement in a job listing > > though. > > I have 45 years of EMACS experience... > > I have 46. > > And I'd be suprised if anybody here can beat that, since I started using > it during the week after its first "official" release. I'm at a lowly 39. :-) Johnny
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| From | Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-03-09 20:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87bkyfj61c.fsf@eder.anydns.info> |
| In reply to | #8530 |
On Mi 09 Mär 2022 at 11:11, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote: > On 2022-03-09 06:46, Alan Bawden wrote: >> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: >> Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes: >> > I'd be very impressed if you had 50 years of Emacs experience! >> > I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a requirement in a job listing >> > though. >> I have 45 years of EMACS experience... >> I have 46. >> And I'd be suprised if anybody here can beat that, since I started >> using >> it during the week after its first "official" release. > > I'm at a lowly 39. :-) > > Johnny Oh my! I'm at a lowly 35. 'Andreas
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| From | "Stephen M. Jones" <smj@ma.sdf.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-13 22:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o6uXJ.143436$7F2.43681@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #8530 |
Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote: > I'm at a lowly 39. :-) > > Johnny Are you counting AMIS years tho? ;-) I've got 27 years of ZMACS experience, YOW.
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| From | Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> |
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| Date | 2022-03-16 19:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <t0t98f$qq1$1@news.misty.com> |
| In reply to | #8542 |
On 2022-03-13 23:20, Stephen M. Jones wrote: > Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote: >> I'm at a lowly 39. :-) >> >> Johnny > > Are you counting AMIS years tho? ;-) > > I've got 27 years of ZMACS experience, YOW. My first exposure was indeed with AMIS (on a PDP-11), but I hit PDP-10 machines not long after. I can't even recall when I first saw TECO EMACS the first time. I played with ITS for the first time about 39 years ago as well. Johnny
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| From | Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-09 14:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mddbkyekiwv.fsf@panix5.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #8525 |
Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> writes:
> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
> Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:
> > I'd be very impressed if you had 50 years of Emacs experience!
> > I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a requirement in a job listing
> > though.
> I have 45 years of EMACS experience...
> I have 46.
> And I'd be suprised if anybody here can beat that, since I started using
> it during the week after its first "official" release.
I was lucky. One of the senior programmers at the UChicago Comp Center went to
Marlboro for TOPS-20 training, and came back with a tape with a bunch of stuff
on it, including both EMACS and ZORK (including the TOPS-20 runtime for MDL).
I got intrigued, and started reading the TECO sources for EMACS. The rest, as
is said, is history.
(Hi, Alan!)
--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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| From | Eric Swenson <eric@swenson.org> |
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| Date | 2022-03-11 10:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ffae5456-e763-4b52-8bc6-43757f2361a5n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #8525 |
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:46:29 PM UTC-8, Alan Bawden wrote: > Rich Alderson <ne...@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: > > I have 45 years of EMACS experience... > I have 46. > > And I'd be suprised if anybody here can beat that, since I started using > it during the week after its first "official" release. > > -- > Alan Bawden I'm also a 46er. In fact, my first real editor was EMACS from when I worked at LCS. And I've used it ever since. I still use ITS Emacs and Multics Emacs (on simulators, or course) every day. And naturally, it is my editor of choice on macOS and Linux.
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| From | Sid Maxwell <srmaxwell3@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-11 09:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7e086353-9db9-4c8c-a692-c3d7287b262bn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #8523 |
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:34:20 PM UTC-5, Rich Alderson wrote: > I have 45 years of EMACS experience... 41. I learned it because my mentor when I first joined DEC used it, and between us, we would eat the performance of a VAX/780. It's still the editor I use, though I'm starting to use e.g. VSCode occasionally. With Emacs keybindings, 'course. -+- Sid
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| From | "P.Lj" <peter.ljungberg.sui@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-18 13:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d2342179-d076-457a-953c-a4942ed9c24dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #8523 |
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:34:20 PM UTC+1, Rich Alderson wrote: > Lars Brinkhoff <lars...@nocrew.org> writes: > > > Peter Flass wrote: > >> I've managed to get fifty years in without having to learn emacs. I don't > >> want to have to start now. > > > I'd be very impressed if you had 50 years of Emacs experience! > > I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a requirement in a job listing > > though. > I have 45 years of EMACS experience... > -- > Rich Alderson ne...@alderson.users.panix.com > Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur, > omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus. > --Galen I have 30 years, even on the AmigaDOS, but probably doesn't even count ^P
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-03-08 19:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ZoOVJ.50486$mF2.29500@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #8511 |
On 2022-03-08, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> wrote: > >> On Mo 07 Mär 2022 at 11:47, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> I’m always amazed when I try to use some piece of software I used to use >>> years ago how primitive it seems now. Back then non-ISPF TSO or DOS EDLIN >>> seemed like usable, if not much fun, pieces of software. Playing with old >>> systems like TSS or Multics it seems like my biggest problem is lack of a >>> decent editor. >> >> Well, on Multics you have Emacs! >> That should be enough for everyone :-) > > I’ve managed to get fifty years in without having to learn emacs. > I don’t want to have to start now. I took a look at emacs a couple of years ago. I found its mindset to be too foreign for me, e.g. in things like tab handling. My fingers speak vi. That's usually enough. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship. \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult. X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy. / \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2022-03-09 01:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <j8qcn1Fi99fU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #8518 |
On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 19:47:05 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > I took a look at emacs a couple of years ago. > I found its mindset to be too foreign for me, > e.g. in things like tab handling. > > My fingers speak vi. That's usually enough. I have exactly the opposite. I started UNIX in 1975, although vi took a while to appear. I continued to use 'ed' because my terminal was a bit basic. Then I got a PC with a simplified emacs that was marketed as part of a 'word processor'. My fingers know that (but I also use 'ed' in extremis, usually in single user mode on a basic console). -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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