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  US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:33 -0400
    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 09:04 +0100
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 12:45 -0400
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:38 +0800
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:37 +0800
    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:24 +0000
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 14:40 +0100
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:33 +0800
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-08-21 23:49 +0000
          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:22 +0100
            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 18:47 +0000
            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 02:24 -0400
              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:29 +0100
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 23:11 -0400
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:31 +0800
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 23:47 +0100
          Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-23 23:05 +0800
            Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 22:10 +0200
              Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 23:46 +0100
                Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:31 +0200
                  Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:12 +0100
                    Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:29 +0000
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 23:08 -0400
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:17 +0000
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-22 00:57 -0400
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-08-22 15:10 +0000
          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:32 +0100
            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 18:40 +0000
              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:17 +0100
                Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 00:23 +0000
                  Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:19 +0100
                    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 18:24 +0000
                      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 19:57 +0100
                        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-24 01:56 -0400
                          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 06:40 +0000
                          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-24 09:33 +0200
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:21 +0100
                              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 20:51 +0000
                          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-24 16:25 +0000
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 19:46 +0100
                              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 20:45 +0000
                          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-08-24 18:36 +0000
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 19:58 +0100
                              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 20:31 +0000
                            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 20:21 +0000

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#1437 — Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time?

On 2026-08-24, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2026-08-24 00:46, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> On 2026-08-23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> On 2026-08-23 17:05, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
>>>> On 8/22/2026 6:47 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You should watch NCIS too.
>>>>>
>>>>> h+t+t+ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You got a plain-text version of
>>>> the video? I don't need voices
>>>> nor pictures when reading. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The point of that video is lost if put it into words. Just play it, it
>>> is short and funny.
>>
>> I can't do much in way of a good text version, and I was hoping there'd
>> be some transcript online, but alas I haven't found one so far.
>>
>> A description of it would be:
>>
>> Someone is cyber-attacking NCIS somehow. Abby tries to "fight back" by
>> typing fast, and gets McGee to join her to help type faster.
>>
>> And by this I mean each of them is typing on one half of the
>> keyboard. DiNozzo and Gibbs enter. DiNozzo is DiNozzo, I'm surprised
>> he's not eating popcorn out of a bucket.
>>
>> Gibbs then unplugs the display and looks at them like he's saying "you
>> idiots didn't think of this!? do I have to be the one doing
>> everything?".
>>
>> Nobody covers the fact that he just unplugged the monitor. (Some
>> descriptions of this scene don't consider this or consider it just as a
>> possibility, but the way the display goes off strongly suggests he *did*
>> really unplug it...)
>>
>> See e.g. the entry (search for "on the same keyboard") in
>> <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodHacking>
>
> I can't find "on the same keyboard" there.

I think the JS-enabled version without CSS hacks collapses some
"folders" by default, you may have to expand "Live-Action TV" for search
to work.

Sorry for this, I keep forgetting the web now sucks more...

-- 
Nuno Silva

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#1443 — Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time?

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:12:56 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

> I think the JS-enabled version without CSS hacks collapses some
> "folders"
> by default, you may have to expand "Live-Action TV" for search to work.
> 
> Sorry for this, I keep forgetting the web now sucks more...

Oddly searching has gotten less efficient with more irrelevant crap to paw 
through. Good luck if you're looking for something more than two years 
ago.

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#1410

On 8/21/26 09:24, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2026-08-20, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>> https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/siemens-devices-water-facilities-cybersecurity/2026/08/19/id/1266642/
>>
>> Several U.S. government agencies warned that unidentified
>> hackers are trying to breach devices made by Siemens that
>> are used to monitor and operate water facilities and ‌other
>> critical infrastructure systems, according ​to a cybersecurity
>> advisory published Wednesday.
> 
> Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
> infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't
> 30-40 years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.


   I ask that ALL THE TIME ... NO sane answers.

   MOSTLY seems to be so they over-work ONE poor
   contracted geek instead of hiring their OWN geeks.

   However esp for 'critical infrastructure' and
   'dangerous' things like chem plants, nuke plants,
   refineries and such - BAD BAD BAD IDEA these days.

   If the hacks can't bust the password app they will
   go after the lower-level stuff that RUNS the
   password app. China is nefarious here - has gotten
   deep into all kinds of top companies. "AI" approaches
   have just made all this MUCH worse.

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#1412

On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:24:28 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

> Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
> infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't 30-40
> years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.

That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...

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#1413

On 8/22/26 00:17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:24:28 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:
> 
>> Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
>> infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't 30-40
>> years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.
> 
> That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...

   Infiltrator/spy.

   CAN happen.

   NOT so likely at yer local water plant though.

   Bigger facilities, maybe yes. Nobody knows all
   their co-workers, people coming and going all
   the time. Shit, you could probably run a hardwire
   in from next door and nobody would notice anything
   unusual. Jihad Jamal dressed like the FedEx guy.

   I'm more worried about industrial facilities -
   chem plants, refineries, power plants - things
   that can go BOOM.

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#1415

On 2026-08-22, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...

No, but the fact remains that requiring physical access
is more difficult versus just sitting half a world away 
and attacking via the internet.


-- 
  Roger Blake

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#1416

On 22/08/2026 16:10, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2026-08-22, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...
> 
> No, but the fact remains that requiring physical access
> is more difficult versus just sitting half a world away
> and attacking via the internet.
> 
> 

Not more difficult: Just different.

If a national security agency is involved its probably far easier to 
bribe someone to stick a usb stick in a PC and run some code than it is 
to break a firewall and encryption.

Most hacks are simply because sites have barely implemented the most 
basic security and script kiddies have stumbled their way in



-- 
Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice.
  – Will Durant

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#1417

On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:32:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> If a national security agency is involved its probably far easier to
> bribe someone to stick a usb stick in a PC and run some code than it is
> to break a firewall and encryption.

Back in the '80s there was a momentary panic when it was discovered an 
employee in a nuclear plant was involved in a far right organization. In 
that case the reality was the employee was putting in his eight hours like 
everyone else and his extracurricular activities didn't involve the 
plant. 

The Bruder Schweigen, aka The Order, raised various sorts of hell in the 
'80s but cyber attacks were well above their pay grade. I'm not 
discounting the possibility. In fact given the nutters wandering around 
it's surprising there isn't more mayhem.

https://livenewschat.eu/albany-capitol-bomb-plot-fbi-informant-2026/

Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI. 

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#1419

On 22/08/2026 19:40, rbowman wrote:

> 
> Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI.
> 
...or the Kremlin
> 
> 

-- 
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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#1420

On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 23:17:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 22/08/2026 19:40, rbowman wrote:
> 
> 
>> Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI.
>> 
> ...or the Kremlin
>> 
>>

Do you have trouble sleeping with Boris and Natasha under your bed? 

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#1425

On 23/08/2026 01:23, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 23:17:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 22/08/2026 19:40, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI.
>>>
>> ...or the Kremlin
>>>
>>>
> 
> Do you have trouble sleeping with Boris and Natasha under your bed?

Is that what it is?
I thought it juts happened when you got old


What are they doing there.? I haven't vacuumed it in months

With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him 
credit for


-- 
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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#1428

On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
> credit for

He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They focused on the 
CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer. They missed the emigres 
from the Frankfurt school that had fled Germany. In the late '50s and '60s 
it was Marcuse, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being 
read and discussed by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New 
School for Social Research became the hub for the refugees. 

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#1429

On 23/08/2026 19:24, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
>> credit for
> 
> He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They focused on the
> CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer. They missed the emigres
> from the Frankfurt school that had fled Germany. In the late '50s and '60s
> it was Marcuse, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being
> read and discussed by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New
> School for Social Research became the hub for the refugees.
+1

-- 
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
...than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

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#1433

On 8/23/26 14:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 23/08/2026 19:24, rbowman wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
>>> credit for
>>
>> He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They focused on the
>> CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer. They missed the emigres
>> from the Frankfurt school that had fled Germany. In the late '50s and 
>> '60s
>> it was Marcuse, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being
>> read and discussed by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New
>> School for Social Research became the hub for the refugees.
> +1

   Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after
   some success, he apparently became a serious alcoholic
   and it kinda rotted his brain. He began to make
   accusations against people he shouldn't have and thus
   got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led
   to considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.

   Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
   serious protections against persecuting people JUST
   because of their political beliefs. More than "belief"
   is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has
   to be proven. Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed
   to be a "Card-Carrying Communist". Still are.

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#1434

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 01:56:53 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after some success, he
>    apparently became a serious alcoholic and it kinda rotted his brain.
>    He began to make accusations against people he shouldn't have and
>    thus got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led to
>    considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.

It was a little embarrassing that after his war on gays as well as 
communists he wound up with the Bobbsey Twins, Cohn and Shine, on his 
staff. Shine faded out of politics and despite the allegations fathered 
several kids. Cohn remained active in political circles including 
mentoring a young Trump, until he died of AIDS.

Strange era. I remember a John Birch Society meeting in, iirc, 1963, where 
the party line was Dwight Eisenhower was a Communist dupe and Milton, his 
brother, was his handler.  Some of the animosity came from Eisenhower 
appointing Earl Warren as chief justice. Their battle cry was 'Impeach 
Earl Warren!'. Warren was as much a pig in a poke as Roberts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Stormer

I think I still have a copy of 'None Dare Call it Reason'. The JBS 
circulated it widely. The JBS had its standards. Oliver was booted despite 
being a founding member.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revilo_P._Oliver#White_supremacy

Many members thought 'Wall Street bankers' was a dog whistle but Welch was 
careful to know which side the bread was buttered on. I was surprised to 
find out they're still around.

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#1436

On 2026-08-24 07:56, c186282 wrote:
> On 8/23/26 14:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 23/08/2026 19:24, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
>>>> credit for
>>>
>>> He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They
>>> focused on the CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer.
>>> They missed the emigres from the Frankfurt school that had fled
>>> Germany. In the late '50s and '60s it was Marcuse, Horkheimer,
>>> Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being read and discussed
>>> by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New School for
>>> Social Research became the hub for the refugees.
>> +1
> 
>    Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after
>    some success, he apparently became a serious alcoholic
>    and it kinda rotted his brain. He began to make
>    accusations against people he shouldn't have and thus
>    got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led
>    to considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
> 
>    Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
>    serious protections against persecuting people JUST
>    because of their political beliefs. More than "belief"
>    is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has
>    to be proven. Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed
>    to be a "Card-Carrying Communist". Still are.

Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a network, 
or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like her questions.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#1438

On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a network, 
> or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like her questions.

Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the 
total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.

America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics seriously. 
Its not a football game.



-- 
Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

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#1447

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:21:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a
>> network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like her
>> questions.
> 
> Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the
> total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
> 
> America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics seriously.
> Its not a football game.

It won't be easy. Jeremiahs have been accurately prophesying the future of 
the US as long as I've been alive. Nobody listened, not here and not in 
the UK.

 

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#1439

On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

>    Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
>    serious protections against persecuting people JUST
>    because of their political beliefs.

So far.  Stay tuned.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  In this world there are
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  two kinds of people:
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  1. Those who can extrapolate
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  from incomplete data.

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#1441

On 24/08/2026 17:25, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>>     Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
>>     serious protections against persecuting people JUST
>>     because of their political beliefs.
> 
> So far.  Stay tuned.
> 
ROFLMAO.

It was at least 20 years ago that a naturalist (David Bellamy) who was 
sceptical about man made climate change vanished from the TV to be 
replaced by the on message David Attenborough.

DR Kelly, who blew the whistle on WMD in Iraq (No, not really) 
'committed suicide'.

Salman Rushdie is blind in one eye for writing a book about some verses 
in the Q'ran

Ann Widdecombe was murdered a few weeks ago a strong voice on the 
conservative right.

Charlie Kirk - again right wing - was murdered for his rhetoric.

Edwina Curry, a minister in Thatchers government, was sacked for saying 
'all chickens have salmonella'. She lost her job.

Professor David Nutt said taking ecstasy was no worse than the risks of 
"equasy", a term he invented to describe people's addiction to 
horse-riding. He lost his job

I can assure you that people in positions of some influence had better 
toe the line or they will be fired, blackballed or in extreme cases die 
in mysterious cirmcunstances.

-- 
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly 
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential 
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations 
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with 
what it actually is.

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