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  US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:33 -0400
    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 09:04 +0100
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 12:45 -0400
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:38 +0800
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:37 +0800
    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:24 +0000
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 14:40 +0100
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:33 +0800
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-08-21 23:49 +0000
          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:22 +0100
            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 18:47 +0000
            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-23 02:24 -0400
              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:29 +0100
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 23:11 -0400
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-21 22:31 +0800
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 23:47 +0100
          Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-23 23:05 +0800
            Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-23 22:10 +0200
              Re: US Govt Warns .... videos vs words? waste of time? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 23:46 +0100
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-21 23:08 -0400
      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:17 +0000
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-22 00:57 -0400
        Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2026-08-22 15:10 +0000
          Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:32 +0100
            Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 18:40 +0000
              Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:17 +0100
                Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 00:23 +0000
                  Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 12:19 +0100
                    Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 18:24 +0000
                      Re: US Govt Warns About Siemens S7 PLA - Iran Can Hack 'Em The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-23 19:57 +0100

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#1412

On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:24:28 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

> Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
> infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't 30-40
> years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.

That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...

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#1413

On 8/22/26 00:17, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:24:28 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:
> 
>> Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
>> infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't 30-40
>> years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.
> 
> That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...

   Infiltrator/spy.

   CAN happen.

   NOT so likely at yer local water plant though.

   Bigger facilities, maybe yes. Nobody knows all
   their co-workers, people coming and going all
   the time. Shit, you could probably run a hardwire
   in from next door and nobody would notice anything
   unusual. Jihad Jamal dressed like the FedEx guy.

   I'm more worried about industrial facilities -
   chem plants, refineries, power plants - things
   that can go BOOM.

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#1415

On 2026-08-22, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...

No, but the fact remains that requiring physical access
is more difficult versus just sitting half a world away 
and attacking via the internet.


-- 
  Roger Blake

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#1416

On 22/08/2026 16:10, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2026-08-22, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...
> 
> No, but the fact remains that requiring physical access
> is more difficult versus just sitting half a world away
> and attacking via the internet.
> 
> 

Not more difficult: Just different.

If a national security agency is involved its probably far easier to 
bribe someone to stick a usb stick in a PC and run some code than it is 
to break a firewall and encryption.

Most hacks are simply because sites have barely implemented the most 
basic security and script kiddies have stumbled their way in



-- 
Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice.
  – Will Durant

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#1417

On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:32:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> If a national security agency is involved its probably far easier to
> bribe someone to stick a usb stick in a PC and run some code than it is
> to break a firewall and encryption.

Back in the '80s there was a momentary panic when it was discovered an 
employee in a nuclear plant was involved in a far right organization. In 
that case the reality was the employee was putting in his eight hours like 
everyone else and his extracurricular activities didn't involve the 
plant. 

The Bruder Schweigen, aka The Order, raised various sorts of hell in the 
'80s but cyber attacks were well above their pay grade. I'm not 
discounting the possibility. In fact given the nutters wandering around 
it's surprising there isn't more mayhem.

https://livenewschat.eu/albany-capitol-bomb-plot-fbi-informant-2026/

Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI. 

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#1419

On 22/08/2026 19:40, rbowman wrote:

> 
> Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI.
> 
...or the Kremlin
> 
> 

-- 
To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.

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#1420

On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 23:17:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 22/08/2026 19:40, rbowman wrote:
> 
> 
>> Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI.
>> 
> ...or the Kremlin
>> 
>>

Do you have trouble sleeping with Boris and Natasha under your bed? 

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#1425

On 23/08/2026 01:23, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 23:17:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 22/08/2026 19:40, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI.
>>>
>> ...or the Kremlin
>>>
>>>
> 
> Do you have trouble sleeping with Boris and Natasha under your bed?

Is that what it is?
I thought it juts happened when you got old


What are they doing there.? I haven't vacuumed it in months

With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him 
credit for


-- 
Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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#1428

On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
> credit for

He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They focused on the 
CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer. They missed the emigres 
from the Frankfurt school that had fled Germany. In the late '50s and '60s 
it was Marcuse, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being 
read and discussed by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New 
School for Social Research became the hub for the refugees. 

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#1429

On 23/08/2026 19:24, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
>> credit for
> 
> He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They focused on the
> CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer. They missed the emigres
> from the Frankfurt school that had fled Germany. In the late '50s and '60s
> it was Marcuse, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being
> read and discussed by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New
> School for Social Research became the hub for the refugees.
+1

-- 
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
...than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

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