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| Started by | "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2016-04-19 20:02 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-04-26 11:23 +0000 |
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Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 20:02 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-20 15:58 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-20 12:37 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy brian mitchell <brainmill@fishing.net> - 2016-04-20 22:48 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 15:05 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy brian mitchell <brainmill@fishing.net> - 2016-04-20 23:45 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-21 07:31 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> - 2016-04-21 09:39 +0000
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-21 07:51 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 09:24 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy daletx <daletx@gnusguy.com> - 2016-04-21 12:15 -0500
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 11:58 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy daletx <daletx@gnusguy.com> - 2016-04-21 15:13 -0500
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-21 14:43 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 09:04 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> - 2016-04-22 11:18 +0000
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-22 10:27 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy daletx <daletx@gnusguy.com> - 2016-04-22 13:06 -0500
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:55 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy brian mitchell <brainmill@fishing.net> - 2016-04-22 22:10 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> - 2016-04-23 11:45 +0000
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-23 14:36 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-23 08:29 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-23 13:40 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Brian Drummond <brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> - 2016-04-24 11:37 +0000
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-24 16:23 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-24 10:55 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-24 17:26 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-24 09:15 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-24 13:53 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 13:13 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-25 01:53 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-25 01:56 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 18:20 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-25 05:53 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 21:05 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-25 06:22 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-24 21:33 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 22:16 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-25 08:45 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 08:54 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-25 09:35 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-25 18:39 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-25 13:41 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Ned <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 10:42 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:23 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 14:13 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy brian mitchell <brainmill@fishing.net> - 2016-04-25 23:01 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-26 00:53 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 16:09 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 08:09 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 08:26 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 18:14 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 11:06 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:17 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-27 06:32 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-27 08:43 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guyser "djinn" <meanmrmustard@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 11:50 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-27 17:43 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "djinn" <meanmrmustard@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 21:08 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-27 19:06 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy brian mitchell <brainmill@fishing.net> - 2016-04-28 02:10 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-28 03:52 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy brian mitchell <brainmill@fishing.net> - 2016-04-28 03:14 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-28 05:01 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-27 19:03 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-27 19:10 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy brian mitchell <brainmill@fishing.net> - 2016-04-28 03:18 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-27 19:42 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-28 06:48 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-28 17:06 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-30 12:38 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-01 14:50 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-02 14:35 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-05 14:24 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-08 14:02 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-23 08:27 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-25 14:55 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-27 08:34 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-29 08:33 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-29 14:02 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-05-09 15:40 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-05-10 13:16 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-05-11 12:55 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-05-16 08:35 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-05-16 14:53 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-05-23 08:36 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-05-23 15:13 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-05-31 14:06 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-01 14:23 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-03 08:34 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-05 08:39 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-06 18:46 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-07 11:44 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-08 12:11 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-09 11:41 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-11 08:37 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-06-26 11:07 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 11:58 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-01 13:57 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-03 11:58 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 15:18 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 08:31 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 08:25 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 08:20 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 11:37 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 08:27 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 10:19 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 12:09 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 12:11 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-30 14:35 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-08-05 08:35 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 08:36 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 08:37 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 11:32 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 13:12 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 08:49 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 08:31 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 08:47 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-23 12:58 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-24 08:35 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-26 08:21 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-27 15:11 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-29 13:15 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-30 11:23 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-10-01 08:21 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-10-31 13:21 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-11-04 08:23 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-11-04 08:35 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-11-08 08:37 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-11-10 08:56 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-11-12 08:19 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-10 08:47 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-11 08:21 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-12 08:34 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-12-12 13:47 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-12-14 12:17 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-16 08:44 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-12-16 13:57 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-19 14:46 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-20 09:10 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-27 08:44 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-12-28 13:40 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyrubard2024@gmail.com> - 2024-01-04 09:08 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-05 11:16 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-07 08:37 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-07 08:25 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy worm food <wormfood@compostpunk.com> - 2024-01-07 19:39 -0500
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 05:55 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 08:49 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-08 12:19 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 02:22 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 09:09 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-09 11:13 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 10:12 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 09:02 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 22:24 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 13:25 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 23:15 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-10 23:30 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 08:34 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 02:39 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 08:46 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyrubard2024@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 08:48 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-12 14:26 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-13 08:53 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-13 09:09 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-13 09:10 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2024-01-13 19:18 +0100
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-14 11:17 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-15 11:18 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyrubard2024@gmail.com> - 2024-01-18 08:55 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-19 08:37 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-20 09:19 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-01-29 09:13 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-02-10 13:19 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-02-11 08:57 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 08:48 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 12:48 -0800
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 08:58 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-25 14:23 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 14:54 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-25 17:53 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 18:08 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-25 18:45 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-25 19:02 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 21:48 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-26 07:19 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-25 23:05 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 08:16 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-26 21:51 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-25 22:25 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-26 12:11 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 11:08 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 08:11 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:12 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-25 13:35 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 08:33 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-25 17:55 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Nobody in Particular <nobody@invalid.com> - 2016-04-24 18:43 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy liaM <cuddly@mindless.com> - 2016-04-25 05:55 +0200
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-24 16:48 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-25 08:32 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-25 13:48 -0400
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy "Kitty P" <kittyp2060@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:51 -0700
Re: Bill Nye, the fascist guy Wilson <phwilson1@nowhere.net> - 2016-04-26 12:16 -0400
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-20 09:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <883e0ba0-2402-4b38-81f1-9040a27b390dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1560 |
On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 2:46:22 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 8:44:41 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:17:19 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 1:47:30 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:34:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:15 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:47:17 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:19:51 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 8:56:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 8:37:05 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:35:42 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:23:05 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:21:15 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:23:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 1:15:57 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:21:04 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 8:35:33 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:58:50 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 3:18:44 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 11:58:02 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 1:57:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 11:58:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 6:46:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:34:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 2:23:41 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:06:55 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:13:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:35:52 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 12:55:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:16:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 3:40:46 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:02:28 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 8:33:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:34:29 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:55:18 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:27:21 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 2:02:58 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:24:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:38:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:06:41 AM UTC-7, liaM wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/28/2016 3:48 PM, Kitty P wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ned Ludd" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:PoOdnWdky7-Q7LzK...@earthlink.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Nobody in Particular" <nob...@invalid.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:nfrm5r$tit$1...@dont-email.me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/27/2016 8:43 AM, Ned Ludd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I wonder what constant frustration does to the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Just remember, frustration is a voluntarily chosen condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is possible to just not choose it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Let me rephrase it - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Frustration may arise, but once this is consciously recognized, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> continuation of it is voluntary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, total agreement. But that doesn't answer the question. What > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects result from constant frustration on the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this one - Effect of Frustration on Brain Activation Pattern in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subjects with Different Temperament. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Subjects with low tolerance for arousal showed higher activation in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posterior cingulate gyrus, precuneus, and inferior parietal lobule than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high reactivity group. Even though performance in the discrimination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trials following frustration was unaltered, we observed increased > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > activity of primary and secondary somatosensory cortex processing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tactile information. We interpret this effect as an indicator of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional involvement required to counteract the effects of frustration." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26793136 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sort of a frustrating answer :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have warm and happy emotions I cherish - emotions aren't all damaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emotions are just emotions, and whenever having those that are under the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the umbrella of anger or stress that actually can be damaging, we do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a choice to just let those flit by. Frustration always turned to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anger when I was young - and perhaps it is a natural human state for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of us without intervention. In my case intervention was zen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditation practice for several decades. Best I can do for the time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being since I'm not enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow you work hard at being nice :) - but the lady reveals a lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about her fiery youth ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Tibetans taught how anger progresses to hate unless checked, hate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being defined as feeling the desire to murder :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Does Bill Nye look like Earl Blumenauer, or what?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The congressperson from Oregon? Don't they look a lot similar? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, what's scientific about that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Bill Nye doesn't really like to "talk science" in person, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind of notably, like he tries to start shit with scientists sometimes and they want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "talk it over" and he acts like it couldn't even possibly be his "professional obligation" to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you mean like Peter Godfrey-Smith?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's a philosopher of science, not a philosopher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: Bill Nye might not really be a fascist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I talked to him in person, but he really wasn't being talkative." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, well, I think it really is a problem that he understands "obligations to Bill Nye" a lot better than "obligations to science". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (A fairly common "Portland problem".) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...which gets pretty old, as they keep 'pouring it on you' for many years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Science happens anywhere!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "So even if you didn't need to talk to Bill Nye..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "But he's science!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not a sane viewpoint. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is science, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have attempted 'reflections' on the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oooh, sounds interesting." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it doesn't? #facetiousnessalert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Would we ask Earl Blumenauer about it, for example?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we wouldn't. He might start to "figger" it wrong, for example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They both seem to have the same "unsuspected bad judgment". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Did somebody die and leave this Earl Blumenauer the boss of everybody, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody left Earl Blumenauer as 'the boss of everybody', no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "They really didn't?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I don't know if he's exactly "fascist", though.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some kind of oppressive elitist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and he's never found a "rhetorical trick" he doesn't like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Experts: "That's bad." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petulant Adult: "Whyyyy?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normal Expert: "Because it indicates you don't understand how rational argumentation works." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he a good liberal Democrat, though?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It's not a 'quality guide'. Democrats could just as well be corrupt, domineering etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Plus science isn't fascist." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you might be right about that, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forcibly applied pseudo-science might be, though. (Salvarsan, anyone?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Final Update: "Just not an Earl Blumenauer believer, sorry." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still not a fan. Someone does rein him in eventually, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe. What did Earl do?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arrogation of powers he doesn't really have, like usual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you suppose this claim of habitual, serious misgovernment in the 'graft' mode is defamatory of Mr. Blumenauer?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose there's that possibility, but no, I think it's substantially true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he also Ed Markey, too?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe not, though? How could you hold two Congressional seats at once, even?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, don't take legal advice from him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "How can you say that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I can't, on some level? Yet it is also possible his advice is not the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I'm not sure." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean like you don't know what level of "credence" you would give to the conjecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sort of, but get it... I'm also a big deal?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a "cleaner" thing you say that just says the one thing, then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I believe that about X much" or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Got it. 'I don't know how much that is possible' kind of stuff." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what that would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: I guess he's retiring from Congress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You can't say that, can you?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't. You can't say that. #lifethesedays > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you know who else retired from Congress?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole? > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Uh... why would you... I guess he did, he's no longer in Congress, but more importantly... why'd you put it like that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > "Is there a relevant way in which Earl Blumenauer might be usefully compared to Bob Dole, really?" > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no there isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > Would-Be Confutation: "Oh no, you see, they were both cagey old birds that..." > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole was a pretty "straight-on" Midwestern businessman. That is pretty much just not Earl Blumenauer, and there's actually *less* to say about this. > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, and like he says Bob Dole is still, like, dead. Could you people 'cope with reality' better?" > > > > > > > > > "Really. Bob Dole wasn't physically resurrected." > > > > > > > > > "These people are not the best with that kind of stuff, okay?" > > > > > > > > "What do you mean?" > > > > > > > > "Their 'asks' discreetly-but-often transgress the known laws of physics?" > > > > > > > Wider World: "Very rarely, but sometimes, it is in fact said that the discipline of microbiology was invented roughly 200 years ago because of 'seeing is believing' nitwits." > > > > > > "Like how you can't really 'see' whether someone is infected with HIV? You *really* can't?" > > > > > > Yes, that's essentially it. > > > > > "Like, even with Gavin Newsom, how haggard he looks wouldn't be the key. Instead, endless medical tests (and some legal depositions) would..." > > > > > Hey, that's a bit much. > > > > "Is he really sick with that shit, though?" > > > > I guess his doctors would know. > > > "But about what we were saying about Bill Nye, which you are sure to..." > > > Could you focus on reality some? > > "Does he really have views like the Freedom Republicans? I don't really admire them at all." > "Oh, come on. Isn't MTG just a little cute?" > I don't think 'cute' would be the word I'd use for MTG's looks as a grown woman. (It sure isn't the word I'd use for her political style, or the ideas that motivate it.) Wider World: "What's a fascist?" I don't know... maybe we won't stick around to find out?
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-27 08:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7c957364-1878-4a7b-b17c-1054bce3a5dfn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1561 |
On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 2:46:22 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 8:44:41 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:17:19 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 1:47:30 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:34:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:15 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:47:17 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:19:51 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 8:56:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 8:37:05 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:35:42 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:23:05 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:21:15 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:23:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 1:15:57 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:21:04 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 8:35:33 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:58:50 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 3:18:44 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 11:58:02 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 1:57:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 11:58:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 6:46:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:34:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 2:23:41 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:06:55 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:13:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:35:52 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 12:55:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:16:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 3:40:46 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:02:28 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 8:33:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:34:29 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:55:18 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:27:21 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 2:02:58 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:24:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:38:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:06:41 AM UTC-7, liaM wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/28/2016 3:48 PM, Kitty P wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ned Ludd" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:PoOdnWdky7-Q7LzK...@earthlink.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Nobody in Particular" <nob...@invalid.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:nfrm5r$tit$1...@dont-email.me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/27/2016 8:43 AM, Ned Ludd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I wonder what constant frustration does to the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Just remember, frustration is a voluntarily chosen condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is possible to just not choose it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Let me rephrase it - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Frustration may arise, but once this is consciously recognized, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> continuation of it is voluntary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, total agreement. But that doesn't answer the question. What > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects result from constant frustration on the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this one - Effect of Frustration on Brain Activation Pattern in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subjects with Different Temperament. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Subjects with low tolerance for arousal showed higher activation in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posterior cingulate gyrus, precuneus, and inferior parietal lobule than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high reactivity group. Even though performance in the discrimination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trials following frustration was unaltered, we observed increased > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > activity of primary and secondary somatosensory cortex processing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tactile information. We interpret this effect as an indicator of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional involvement required to counteract the effects of frustration." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26793136 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sort of a frustrating answer :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have warm and happy emotions I cherish - emotions aren't all damaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emotions are just emotions, and whenever having those that are under the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the umbrella of anger or stress that actually can be damaging, we do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a choice to just let those flit by. Frustration always turned to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anger when I was young - and perhaps it is a natural human state for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of us without intervention. In my case intervention was zen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditation practice for several decades. Best I can do for the time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being since I'm not enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow you work hard at being nice :) - but the lady reveals a lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about her fiery youth ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Tibetans taught how anger progresses to hate unless checked, hate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being defined as feeling the desire to murder :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Does Bill Nye look like Earl Blumenauer, or what?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The congressperson from Oregon? Don't they look a lot similar? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, what's scientific about that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Bill Nye doesn't really like to "talk science" in person, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind of notably, like he tries to start shit with scientists sometimes and they want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "talk it over" and he acts like it couldn't even possibly be his "professional obligation" to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you mean like Peter Godfrey-Smith?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's a philosopher of science, not a philosopher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: Bill Nye might not really be a fascist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I talked to him in person, but he really wasn't being talkative." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, well, I think it really is a problem that he understands "obligations to Bill Nye" a lot better than "obligations to science". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (A fairly common "Portland problem".) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...which gets pretty old, as they keep 'pouring it on you' for many years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Science happens anywhere!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "So even if you didn't need to talk to Bill Nye..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "But he's science!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not a sane viewpoint. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is science, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have attempted 'reflections' on the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oooh, sounds interesting." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it doesn't? #facetiousnessalert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Would we ask Earl Blumenauer about it, for example?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we wouldn't. He might start to "figger" it wrong, for example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They both seem to have the same "unsuspected bad judgment". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Did somebody die and leave this Earl Blumenauer the boss of everybody, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody left Earl Blumenauer as 'the boss of everybody', no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "They really didn't?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I don't know if he's exactly "fascist", though.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some kind of oppressive elitist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and he's never found a "rhetorical trick" he doesn't like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Experts: "That's bad." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petulant Adult: "Whyyyy?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normal Expert: "Because it indicates you don't understand how rational argumentation works." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he a good liberal Democrat, though?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It's not a 'quality guide'. Democrats could just as well be corrupt, domineering etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Plus science isn't fascist." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you might be right about that, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forcibly applied pseudo-science might be, though. (Salvarsan, anyone?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Final Update: "Just not an Earl Blumenauer believer, sorry." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still not a fan. Someone does rein him in eventually, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe. What did Earl do?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arrogation of powers he doesn't really have, like usual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you suppose this claim of habitual, serious misgovernment in the 'graft' mode is defamatory of Mr. Blumenauer?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose there's that possibility, but no, I think it's substantially true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he also Ed Markey, too?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe not, though? How could you hold two Congressional seats at once, even?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, don't take legal advice from him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "How can you say that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I can't, on some level? Yet it is also possible his advice is not the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I'm not sure." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean like you don't know what level of "credence" you would give to the conjecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sort of, but get it... I'm also a big deal?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a "cleaner" thing you say that just says the one thing, then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I believe that about X much" or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Got it. 'I don't know how much that is possible' kind of stuff." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what that would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: I guess he's retiring from Congress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You can't say that, can you?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't. You can't say that. #lifethesedays > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you know who else retired from Congress?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Uh... why would you... I guess he did, he's no longer in Congress, but more importantly... why'd you put it like that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Is there a relevant way in which Earl Blumenauer might be usefully compared to Bob Dole, really?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no there isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would-Be Confutation: "Oh no, you see, they were both cagey old birds that..." > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole was a pretty "straight-on" Midwestern businessman. That is pretty much just not Earl Blumenauer, and there's actually *less* to say about this. > > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, and like he says Bob Dole is still, like, dead. Could you people 'cope with reality' better?" > > > > > > > > > > "Really. Bob Dole wasn't physically resurrected." > > > > > > > > > > "These people are not the best with that kind of stuff, okay?" > > > > > > > > > "What do you mean?" > > > > > > > > > "Their 'asks' discreetly-but-often transgress the known laws of physics?" > > > > > > > > Wider World: "Very rarely, but sometimes, it is in fact said that the discipline of microbiology was invented roughly 200 years ago because of 'seeing is believing' nitwits." > > > > > > > "Like how you can't really 'see' whether someone is infected with HIV? You *really* can't?" > > > > > > > Yes, that's essentially it. > > > > > > "Like, even with Gavin Newsom, how haggard he looks wouldn't be the key. Instead, endless medical tests (and some legal depositions) would..." > > > > > > Hey, that's a bit much. > > > > > "Is he really sick with that shit, though?" > > > > > I guess his doctors would know. > > > > "But about what we were saying about Bill Nye, which you are sure to..." > > > > Could you focus on reality some? > > > "Does he really have views like the Freedom Republicans? I don't really admire them at all." > > "Oh, come on. Isn't MTG just a little cute?" > > I don't think 'cute' would be the word I'd use for MTG's looks as a grown woman. (It sure isn't the word I'd use for her political style, or the ideas that motivate it.) > Wider World: > "What's a fascist?" > I don't know... maybe we won't stick around to find out? Really, for 2024 and beyond: We have to take it back a little bit. The word 'fascist' is overused, and actually emboldens the alt-right... And the term 'Nazi' has lost a useful designatum, and has even become something like a genuine hate phrase for people from a 'Central European' background.
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-12-28 13:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9ef971b7-b196-4e47-8a4a-c8c9aa96ee27n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1567 |
On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 8:44:40 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 2:46:22 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 8:44:41 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:17:19 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 1:47:30 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:34:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:15 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:47:17 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:19:51 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 8:56:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 8:37:05 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:35:42 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:23:05 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:21:15 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:23:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 1:15:57 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:21:04 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 8:35:33 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:58:50 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 3:18:44 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 11:58:02 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 1:57:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 11:58:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 6:46:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:34:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 2:23:41 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:06:55 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:13:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:35:52 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 12:55:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:16:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 3:40:46 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:02:28 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 8:33:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:34:29 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:55:18 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:27:21 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 2:02:58 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:24:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:38:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:06:41 AM UTC-7, liaM wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/28/2016 3:48 PM, Kitty P wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ned Ludd" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:PoOdnWdky7-Q7LzK...@earthlink.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Nobody in Particular" <nob...@invalid.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:nfrm5r$tit$1...@dont-email.me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/27/2016 8:43 AM, Ned Ludd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I wonder what constant frustration does to the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Just remember, frustration is a voluntarily chosen condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is possible to just not choose it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Let me rephrase it - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Frustration may arise, but once this is consciously recognized, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> continuation of it is voluntary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, total agreement. But that doesn't answer the question. What > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects result from constant frustration on the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this one - Effect of Frustration on Brain Activation Pattern in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subjects with Different Temperament. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Subjects with low tolerance for arousal showed higher activation in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posterior cingulate gyrus, precuneus, and inferior parietal lobule than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high reactivity group. Even though performance in the discrimination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trials following frustration was unaltered, we observed increased > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > activity of primary and secondary somatosensory cortex processing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tactile information. We interpret this effect as an indicator of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional involvement required to counteract the effects of frustration." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26793136 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sort of a frustrating answer :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have warm and happy emotions I cherish - emotions aren't all damaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emotions are just emotions, and whenever having those that are under the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the umbrella of anger or stress that actually can be damaging, we do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a choice to just let those flit by. Frustration always turned to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anger when I was young - and perhaps it is a natural human state for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of us without intervention. In my case intervention was zen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditation practice for several decades. Best I can do for the time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being since I'm not enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow you work hard at being nice :) - but the lady reveals a lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about her fiery youth ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Tibetans taught how anger progresses to hate unless checked, hate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being defined as feeling the desire to murder :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Does Bill Nye look like Earl Blumenauer, or what?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The congressperson from Oregon? Don't they look a lot similar? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, what's scientific about that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Bill Nye doesn't really like to "talk science" in person, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind of notably, like he tries to start shit with scientists sometimes and they want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "talk it over" and he acts like it couldn't even possibly be his "professional obligation" to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you mean like Peter Godfrey-Smith?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's a philosopher of science, not a philosopher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: Bill Nye might not really be a fascist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I talked to him in person, but he really wasn't being talkative." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, well, I think it really is a problem that he understands "obligations to Bill Nye" a lot better than "obligations to science". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (A fairly common "Portland problem".) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...which gets pretty old, as they keep 'pouring it on you' for many years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Science happens anywhere!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "So even if you didn't need to talk to Bill Nye..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "But he's science!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not a sane viewpoint. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is science, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have attempted 'reflections' on the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oooh, sounds interesting." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it doesn't? #facetiousnessalert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Would we ask Earl Blumenauer about it, for example?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we wouldn't. He might start to "figger" it wrong, for example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They both seem to have the same "unsuspected bad judgment". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Did somebody die and leave this Earl Blumenauer the boss of everybody, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody left Earl Blumenauer as 'the boss of everybody', no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "They really didn't?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I don't know if he's exactly "fascist", though.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some kind of oppressive elitist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and he's never found a "rhetorical trick" he doesn't like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Experts: "That's bad." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petulant Adult: "Whyyyy?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normal Expert: "Because it indicates you don't understand how rational argumentation works." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he a good liberal Democrat, though?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It's not a 'quality guide'. Democrats could just as well be corrupt, domineering etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Plus science isn't fascist." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you might be right about that, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forcibly applied pseudo-science might be, though. (Salvarsan, anyone?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Final Update: "Just not an Earl Blumenauer believer, sorry." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still not a fan. Someone does rein him in eventually, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe. What did Earl do?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arrogation of powers he doesn't really have, like usual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you suppose this claim of habitual, serious misgovernment in the 'graft' mode is defamatory of Mr. Blumenauer?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose there's that possibility, but no, I think it's substantially true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he also Ed Markey, too?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe not, though? How could you hold two Congressional seats at once, even?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, don't take legal advice from him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "How can you say that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I can't, on some level? Yet it is also possible his advice is not the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I'm not sure." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean like you don't know what level of "credence" you would give to the conjecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sort of, but get it... I'm also a big deal?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a "cleaner" thing you say that just says the one thing, then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I believe that about X much" or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Got it. 'I don't know how much that is possible' kind of stuff." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what that would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: I guess he's retiring from Congress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You can't say that, can you?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't. You can't say that. #lifethesedays > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you know who else retired from Congress?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Uh... why would you... I guess he did, he's no longer in Congress, but more importantly... why'd you put it like that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Is there a relevant way in which Earl Blumenauer might be usefully compared to Bob Dole, really?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no there isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would-Be Confutation: "Oh no, you see, they were both cagey old birds that..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole was a pretty "straight-on" Midwestern businessman. That is pretty much just not Earl Blumenauer, and there's actually *less* to say about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, and like he says Bob Dole is still, like, dead. Could you people 'cope with reality' better?" > > > > > > > > > > > "Really. Bob Dole wasn't physically resurrected." > > > > > > > > > > > "These people are not the best with that kind of stuff, okay?" > > > > > > > > > > "What do you mean?" > > > > > > > > > > "Their 'asks' discreetly-but-often transgress the known laws of physics?" > > > > > > > > > Wider World: "Very rarely, but sometimes, it is in fact said that the discipline of microbiology was invented roughly 200 years ago because of 'seeing is believing' nitwits." > > > > > > > > "Like how you can't really 'see' whether someone is infected with HIV? You *really* can't?" > > > > > > > > Yes, that's essentially it. > > > > > > > "Like, even with Gavin Newsom, how haggard he looks wouldn't be the key. Instead, endless medical tests (and some legal depositions) would..." > > > > > > > Hey, that's a bit much. > > > > > > "Is he really sick with that shit, though?" > > > > > > I guess his doctors would know. > > > > > "But about what we were saying about Bill Nye, which you are sure to..." > > > > > Could you focus on reality some? > > > > "Does he really have views like the Freedom Republicans? I don't really admire them at all." > > > "Oh, come on. Isn't MTG just a little cute?" > > > I don't think 'cute' would be the word I'd use for MTG's looks as a grown woman. (It sure isn't the word I'd use for her political style, or the ideas that motivate it.) > > Wider World: > > "What's a fascist?" > > I don't know... maybe we won't stick around to find out? > Really, for 2024 and beyond: We have to take it back a little bit. > The word 'fascist' is overused, and actually emboldens the alt-right... > And the term 'Nazi' has lost a useful designatum, and has even become something like a genuine hate phrase for people from a 'Central European' background. Don't give them a 'camp stamp', people. (And no, I mean the word like Clement Greenberg.)
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyrubard2024@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-04 09:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6c4a351a-faa0-4fcc-a419-e565376b3dban@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1568 |
On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 8:44:40 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 2:46:22 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 8:44:41 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:17:19 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 1:47:30 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:34:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:15 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:47:17 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:19:51 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 8:56:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 8:37:05 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:35:42 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:23:05 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:21:15 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:23:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 1:15:57 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:21:04 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 8:35:33 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:58:50 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 3:18:44 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 11:58:02 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 1:57:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 11:58:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 6:46:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:34:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 2:23:41 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:06:55 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:13:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:35:52 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 12:55:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:16:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 3:40:46 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:02:28 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 8:33:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:34:29 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:55:18 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:27:21 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 2:02:58 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:24:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:38:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:06:41 AM UTC-7, liaM wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/28/2016 3:48 PM, Kitty P wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ned Ludd" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:PoOdnWdky7-Q7LzK...@earthlink.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Nobody in Particular" <nob...@invalid.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:nfrm5r$tit$1...@dont-email.me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/27/2016 8:43 AM, Ned Ludd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I wonder what constant frustration does to the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Just remember, frustration is a voluntarily chosen condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is possible to just not choose it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Let me rephrase it - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Frustration may arise, but once this is consciously recognized, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> continuation of it is voluntary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, total agreement. But that doesn't answer the question. What > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects result from constant frustration on the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this one - Effect of Frustration on Brain Activation Pattern in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subjects with Different Temperament. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Subjects with low tolerance for arousal showed higher activation in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posterior cingulate gyrus, precuneus, and inferior parietal lobule than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high reactivity group. Even though performance in the discrimination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trials following frustration was unaltered, we observed increased > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > activity of primary and secondary somatosensory cortex processing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tactile information. We interpret this effect as an indicator of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional involvement required to counteract the effects of frustration." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26793136 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sort of a frustrating answer :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have warm and happy emotions I cherish - emotions aren't all damaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emotions are just emotions, and whenever having those that are under the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the umbrella of anger or stress that actually can be damaging, we do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a choice to just let those flit by. Frustration always turned to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anger when I was young - and perhaps it is a natural human state for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of us without intervention. In my case intervention was zen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditation practice for several decades. Best I can do for the time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being since I'm not enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow you work hard at being nice :) - but the lady reveals a lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about her fiery youth ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Tibetans taught how anger progresses to hate unless checked, hate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being defined as feeling the desire to murder :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Does Bill Nye look like Earl Blumenauer, or what?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The congressperson from Oregon? Don't they look a lot similar? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, what's scientific about that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Bill Nye doesn't really like to "talk science" in person, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind of notably, like he tries to start shit with scientists sometimes and they want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "talk it over" and he acts like it couldn't even possibly be his "professional obligation" to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you mean like Peter Godfrey-Smith?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's a philosopher of science, not a philosopher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: Bill Nye might not really be a fascist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I talked to him in person, but he really wasn't being talkative." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, well, I think it really is a problem that he understands "obligations to Bill Nye" a lot better than "obligations to science". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (A fairly common "Portland problem".) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...which gets pretty old, as they keep 'pouring it on you' for many years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Science happens anywhere!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "So even if you didn't need to talk to Bill Nye..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "But he's science!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not a sane viewpoint. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is science, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have attempted 'reflections' on the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oooh, sounds interesting." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it doesn't? #facetiousnessalert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Would we ask Earl Blumenauer about it, for example?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we wouldn't. He might start to "figger" it wrong, for example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They both seem to have the same "unsuspected bad judgment". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Did somebody die and leave this Earl Blumenauer the boss of everybody, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody left Earl Blumenauer as 'the boss of everybody', no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "They really didn't?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I don't know if he's exactly "fascist", though.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some kind of oppressive elitist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and he's never found a "rhetorical trick" he doesn't like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Experts: "That's bad." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petulant Adult: "Whyyyy?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normal Expert: "Because it indicates you don't understand how rational argumentation works." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he a good liberal Democrat, though?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It's not a 'quality guide'. Democrats could just as well be corrupt, domineering etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Plus science isn't fascist." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you might be right about that, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forcibly applied pseudo-science might be, though. (Salvarsan, anyone?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Final Update: "Just not an Earl Blumenauer believer, sorry." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still not a fan. Someone does rein him in eventually, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe. What did Earl do?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arrogation of powers he doesn't really have, like usual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you suppose this claim of habitual, serious misgovernment in the 'graft' mode is defamatory of Mr. Blumenauer?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose there's that possibility, but no, I think it's substantially true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he also Ed Markey, too?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe not, though? How could you hold two Congressional seats at once, even?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, don't take legal advice from him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "How can you say that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I can't, on some level? Yet it is also possible his advice is not the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I'm not sure." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean like you don't know what level of "credence" you would give to the conjecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sort of, but get it... I'm also a big deal?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a "cleaner" thing you say that just says the one thing, then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I believe that about X much" or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Got it. 'I don't know how much that is possible' kind of stuff." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what that would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: I guess he's retiring from Congress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You can't say that, can you?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't. You can't say that. #lifethesedays > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you know who else retired from Congress?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Uh... why would you... I guess he did, he's no longer in Congress, but more importantly... why'd you put it like that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Is there a relevant way in which Earl Blumenauer might be usefully compared to Bob Dole, really?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no there isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would-Be Confutation: "Oh no, you see, they were both cagey old birds that..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole was a pretty "straight-on" Midwestern businessman. That is pretty much just not Earl Blumenauer, and there's actually *less* to say about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, and like he says Bob Dole is still, like, dead. Could you people 'cope with reality' better?" > > > > > > > > > > > > "Really. Bob Dole wasn't physically resurrected." > > > > > > > > > > > > "These people are not the best with that kind of stuff, okay?" > > > > > > > > > > > "What do you mean?" > > > > > > > > > > > "Their 'asks' discreetly-but-often transgress the known laws of physics?" > > > > > > > > > > Wider World: "Very rarely, but sometimes, it is in fact said that the discipline of microbiology was invented roughly 200 years ago because of 'seeing is believing' nitwits." > > > > > > > > > "Like how you can't really 'see' whether someone is infected with HIV? You *really* can't?" > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's essentially it. > > > > > > > > "Like, even with Gavin Newsom, how haggard he looks wouldn't be the key. Instead, endless medical tests (and some legal depositions) would..." > > > > > > > > Hey, that's a bit much. > > > > > > > "Is he really sick with that shit, though?" > > > > > > > I guess his doctors would know. > > > > > > "But about what we were saying about Bill Nye, which you are sure to..." > > > > > > Could you focus on reality some? > > > > > "Does he really have views like the Freedom Republicans? I don't really admire them at all." > > > > "Oh, come on. Isn't MTG just a little cute?" > > > > I don't think 'cute' would be the word I'd use for MTG's looks as a grown woman. (It sure isn't the word I'd use for her political style, or the ideas that motivate it.) > > > Wider World: > > > "What's a fascist?" > > > I don't know... maybe we won't stick around to find out? > > Really, for 2024 and beyond: We have to take it back a little bit. > > The word 'fascist' is overused, and actually emboldens the alt-right... > > And the term 'Nazi' has lost a useful designatum, and has even become something like a genuine hate phrase for people from a 'Central European' background. > Don't give them a 'camp stamp', people. (And no, I mean the word like Clement Greenberg.) We don't live in 1930s or 1940s Europe, obvs.
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-05 11:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c69578df-a51e-4829-b8aa-13358f4e5421n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1569 |
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:08:28 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 8:44:40 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 9:11:02 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 2:46:22 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 1:57:42 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 8:44:41 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:17:19 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 1:47:30 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:34:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:15 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 8:47:17 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:19:51 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 8:56:10 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 8:37:05 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:35:42 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 8:23:05 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:21:15 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:21:03 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:23:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 1:15:57 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:21:04 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 8:35:33 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:58:50 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 3:18:44 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 11:58:02 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 1:57:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 11:58:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:07:49 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 8:37:15 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 12:11:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 11:44:45 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 6:46:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 8:34:20 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 2:23:41 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 2:06:55 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:13:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 2:53:48 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:35:52 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 12:55:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:16:13 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 3:40:46 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 2:02:28 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 8:33:14 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:34:29 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 2:55:18 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:27:21 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 2:02:58 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:24:59 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 2:35:02 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:38:53 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:06:41 AM UTC-7, liaM wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/28/2016 3:48 PM, Kitty P wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ned Ludd" wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:PoOdnWdky7-Q7LzK...@earthlink.com... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Nobody in Particular" <nob...@invalid.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:nfrm5r$tit$1...@dont-email.me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/27/2016 8:43 AM, Ned Ludd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I wonder what constant frustration does to the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Just remember, frustration is a voluntarily chosen condition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is possible to just not choose it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Let me rephrase it - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Frustration may arise, but once this is consciously recognized, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> continuation of it is voluntary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, total agreement. But that doesn't answer the question. What > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects result from constant frustration on the human brain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this one - Effect of Frustration on Brain Activation Pattern in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subjects with Different Temperament. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Subjects with low tolerance for arousal showed higher activation in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posterior cingulate gyrus, precuneus, and inferior parietal lobule than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high reactivity group. Even though performance in the discrimination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trials following frustration was unaltered, we observed increased > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > activity of primary and secondary somatosensory cortex processing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tactile information. We interpret this effect as an indicator of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional involvement required to counteract the effects of frustration." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26793136 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sort of a frustrating answer :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have warm and happy emotions I cherish - emotions aren't all damaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emotions are just emotions, and whenever having those that are under the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the umbrella of anger or stress that actually can be damaging, we do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a choice to just let those flit by. Frustration always turned to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anger when I was young - and perhaps it is a natural human state for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of us without intervention. In my case intervention was zen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditation practice for several decades. Best I can do for the time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being since I'm not enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow you work hard at being nice :) - but the lady reveals a lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about her fiery youth ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Tibetans taught how anger progresses to hate unless checked, hate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being defined as feeling the desire to murder :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Does Bill Nye look like Earl Blumenauer, or what?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The congressperson from Oregon? Don't they look a lot similar? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, what's scientific about that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Bill Nye doesn't really like to "talk science" in person, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind of notably, like he tries to start shit with scientists sometimes and they want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "talk it over" and he acts like it couldn't even possibly be his "professional obligation" to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you mean like Peter Godfrey-Smith?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's a philosopher of science, not a philosopher. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: Bill Nye might not really be a fascist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I talked to him in person, but he really wasn't being talkative." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, well, I think it really is a problem that he understands "obligations to Bill Nye" a lot better than "obligations to science". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (A fairly common "Portland problem".) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...which gets pretty old, as they keep 'pouring it on you' for many years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Science happens anywhere!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "So even if you didn't need to talk to Bill Nye..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "But he's science!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not a sane viewpoint. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What is science, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have attempted 'reflections' on the topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oooh, sounds interesting." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it doesn't? #facetiousnessalert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Would we ask Earl Blumenauer about it, for example?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we wouldn't. He might start to "figger" it wrong, for example. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They both seem to have the same "unsuspected bad judgment". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Did somebody die and leave this Earl Blumenauer the boss of everybody, then?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody left Earl Blumenauer as 'the boss of everybody', no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "They really didn't?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They actually didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I don't know if he's exactly "fascist", though.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some kind of oppressive elitist, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and he's never found a "rhetorical trick" he doesn't like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Experts: "That's bad." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petulant Adult: "Whyyyy?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normal Expert: "Because it indicates you don't understand how rational argumentation works." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he a good liberal Democrat, though?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "It's not a 'quality guide'. Democrats could just as well be corrupt, domineering etc." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Plus science isn't fascist." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you might be right about that, actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forcibly applied pseudo-science might be, though. (Salvarsan, anyone?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Final Update: "Just not an Earl Blumenauer believer, sorry." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still not a fan. Someone does rein him in eventually, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe. What did Earl do?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arrogation of powers he doesn't really have, like usual? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you suppose this claim of habitual, serious misgovernment in the 'graft' mode is defamatory of Mr. Blumenauer?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose there's that possibility, but no, I think it's substantially true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Isn't he also Ed Markey, too?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maybe not, though? How could you hold two Congressional seats at once, even?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, don't take legal advice from him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "How can you say that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I can't, on some level? Yet it is also possible his advice is not the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I'm not sure." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean like you don't know what level of "credence" you would give to the conjecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sort of, but get it... I'm also a big deal?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a "cleaner" thing you say that just says the one thing, then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I believe that about X much" or something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Got it. 'I don't know how much that is possible' kind of stuff." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's what that would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Update: I guess he's retiring from Congress! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You can't say that, can you?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't. You can't say that. #lifethesedays > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you know who else retired from Congress?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Uh... why would you... I guess he did, he's no longer in Congress, but more importantly... why'd you put it like that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Is there a relevant way in which Earl Blumenauer might be usefully compared to Bob Dole, really?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, no there isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would-Be Confutation: "Oh no, you see, they were both cagey old birds that..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Dole was a pretty "straight-on" Midwestern businessman. That is pretty much just not Earl Blumenauer, and there's actually *less* to say about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Yeah, and like he says Bob Dole is still, like, dead. Could you people 'cope with reality' better?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Really. Bob Dole wasn't physically resurrected." > > > > > > > > > > > > > "These people are not the best with that kind of stuff, okay?" > > > > > > > > > > > > "What do you mean?" > > > > > > > > > > > > "Their 'asks' discreetly-but-often transgress the known laws of physics?" > > > > > > > > > > > Wider World: "Very rarely, but sometimes, it is in fact said that the discipline of microbiology was invented roughly 200 years ago because of 'seeing is believing' nitwits." > > > > > > > > > > "Like how you can't really 'see' whether someone is infected with HIV? You *really* can't?" > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's essentially it. > > > > > > > > > "Like, even with Gavin Newsom, how haggard he looks wouldn't be the key. Instead, endless medical tests (and some legal depositions) would..." > > > > > > > > > Hey, that's a bit much. > > > > > > > > "Is he really sick with that shit, though?" > > > > > > > > I guess his doctors would know. > > > > > > > "But about what we were saying about Bill Nye, which you are sure to..." > > > > > > > Could you focus on reality some? > > > > > > "Does he really have views like the Freedom Republicans? I don't really admire them at all." > > > > > "Oh, come on. Isn't MTG just a little cute?" > > > > > I don't think 'cute' would be the word I'd use for MTG's looks as a grown woman. (It sure isn't the word I'd use for her political style, or the ideas that motivate it.) > > > > Wider World: > > > > "What's a fascist?" > > > > I don't know... maybe we won't stick around to find out? > > > Really, for 2024 and beyond: We have to take it back a little bit. > > > The word 'fascist' is overused, and actually emboldens the alt-right... > > > And the term 'Nazi' has lost a useful designatum, and has even become something like a genuine hate phrase for people from a 'Central European' background. > > Don't give them a 'camp stamp', people. (And no, I mean the word like Clement Greenberg.) > We don't live in 1930s or 1940s Europe, obvs. "You don't?" 21st century North America is *in no way* even *vaguely at all like* European social norms.
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| From | pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-07 08:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20240107083716.11ad5ed4@freespace> |
| In reply to | #1570 |
On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:08:28 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard > wrote: > > On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard > > wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 8:44:40 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey > > > Rubard wrote: > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > > > Don't give them a 'camp stamp', people. (And no, I mean the word > > > like Clement Greenberg.) > > We don't live in 1930s or 1940s Europe, obvs. > > "You don't?" > 21st century North America is *in no way* even *vaguely at all like* > European social norms. How would you know? I thought you were some weird American who would start to spout self righteous invectives every time someone mentioned Friday on Robinson Crusoe's island.
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-07 08:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <191fc5f9-5e0d-4cf2-936c-0d9838aca386n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1571 |
On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:08:28 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard > > wrote: > > > On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard > > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 8:44:40 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey > > > > Rubard wrote: > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > > > Don't give them a 'camp stamp', people. (And no, I mean the word > > > > like Clement Greenberg.) > > > We don't live in 1930s or 1940s Europe, obvs. > > > > "You don't?" > > 21st century North America is *in no way* even *vaguely at all like* > > European social norms. > How would you know? I thought you were some weird American who would > start to spout self righteous invectives every time someone mentioned > Friday on Robinson Crusoe's island. "Robinsonades", is that what they call them?
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| From | worm food <wormfood@compostpunk.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-07 19:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <unfg8j$18p1t$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1572 |
On 1/7/2024 11:25 AM, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: >> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) >> Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:08:28 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard >>> wrote: >>>> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 8:44:40 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey >>>>> Rubard wrote: >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>> [...] >>>>> Don't give them a 'camp stamp', people. (And no, I mean the word >>>>> like Clement Greenberg.) >>>> We don't live in 1930s or 1940s Europe, obvs. >>> >>> "You don't?" >>> 21st century North America is *in no way* even *vaguely at all like* >>> European social norms. >> How would you know? I thought you were some weird American who would >> start to spout self righteous invectives every time someone mentioned >> Friday on Robinson Crusoe's island. > > "Robinsonades", is that what they call them? Never change, either one of you old farts. Or do. You're the comedy at the end of the world.
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| From | pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-08 05:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20240108055557.516e2fb0@freespace> |
| In reply to | #1573 |
On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 19:39:47 -0500 worm food <wormfood@compostpunk.com> wrote: > On 1/7/2024 11:25 AM, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > >> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) > >> Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > >> How would you know? I thought you were some weird American who > >> would start to spout self righteous invectives every time someone > >> mentioned Friday on Robinson Crusoe's island. > > > > "Robinsonades", is that what they call them? > > Never change, either one of you old farts. Or do. You're the comedy > at the end of the world. It's considered one of the first english novels, so I'd not call it the end, but rather a beginning. But sure, it's become kind of a nerd snipe for hitch hikers, and people who don't understand recursion.
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-08 08:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d1c23c78-2b91-47b3-abb6-69ea0d93d290n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1574 |
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:56:00 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 19:39:47 -0500 > worm food <worm...@compostpunk.com> wrote: > > > On 1/7/2024 11:25 AM, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > >> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) > > >> Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > >> How would you know? I thought you were some weird American who > > >> would start to spout self righteous invectives every time someone > > >> mentioned Friday on Robinson Crusoe's island. > > > > > > "Robinsonades", is that what they call them? > > > > Never change, either one of you old farts. Or do. You're the comedy > > at the end of the world. > It's considered one of the first english novels, so I'd not call it the > end, but rather a beginning. But sure, it's become kind of a nerd snipe > for hitch hikers, and people who don't understand recursion. You're a goddamned fool, and there's not a "computer science of everyday life".
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-08 12:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <89904d64-5699-4ea3-bd64-5e1e4030570fn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1575 |
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:49:50 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:56:00 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 19:39:47 -0500 > > worm food <worm...@compostpunk.com> wrote: > > > > > On 1/7/2024 11:25 AM, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) > > > >> Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > >> How would you know? I thought you were some weird American who > > > >> would start to spout self righteous invectives every time someone > > > >> mentioned Friday on Robinson Crusoe's island. > > > > > > > > "Robinsonades", is that what they call them? > > > > > > Never change, either one of you old farts. Or do. You're the comedy > > > at the end of the world. > > It's considered one of the first english novels, so I'd not call it the > > end, but rather a beginning. But sure, it's become kind of a nerd snipe > > for hitch hikers, and people who don't understand recursion. > You're a goddamned fool, and there's not a "computer science of everyday life". Wider World: "Robinsonades" are the dirge of this everyday-dictator type, now become common in US life. They can't 'reason their way out of' the cultural contradictions.
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| From | pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-09 02:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20240109022247.74402265@freespace> |
| In reply to | #1576 |
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 12:19:29 -0800 (PST) Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:49:50 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:56:00 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > > On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 19:39:47 -0500 > > > worm food <worm...@compostpunk.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 1/7/2024 11:25 AM, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-8, pataphor > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) > > > > >> Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > [...] > > > > [...] > > > > [...] > > > > [...] > > > > [...] > > > > [...] > > > > [...] > > > > >> How would you know? I thought you were some weird American > > > > >> who would start to spout self righteous invectives every > > > > >> time someone mentioned Friday on Robinson Crusoe's island. > > > > > > > > > > "Robinsonades", is that what they call them? > > > > > > > > Never change, either one of you old farts. Or do. You're the > > > > comedy at the end of the world. > > > It's considered one of the first english novels, so I'd not call > > > it the end, but rather a beginning. But sure, it's become kind of > > > a nerd snipe for hitch hikers, and people who don't understand > > > recursion. > > You're a goddamned fool, and there's not a "computer science of > > everyday life". > > Wider World: "Robinsonades" are the dirge of this everyday-dictator > type, now become common in US life. They can't 'reason their way out > of' the cultural contradictions. Have you ever seen a tree? They're quite common in everyday life. Trying to pass Tarski as postmodern, or Bill Nye as fascist, that's wilder stuff. It seems titular inflation starts to cut both ways, everyone becomes enlightened, and all tales stories about blue spheres.
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-09 09:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <14796f01-1662-45a9-b1aa-808d042656d0n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1577 |
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:22:50 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 12:19:29 -0800 (PST) > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:49:50 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:56:00 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > > > On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 19:39:47 -0500 > > > > worm food <worm...@compostpunk.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 1/7/2024 11:25 AM, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-8, pataphor > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >> Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > [...] > > > > > [...] > > > > > [...] > > > > > [...] > > > > > [...] > > > > > [...] > > > > > [...] > > > > > >> How would you know? I thought you were some weird American > > > > > >> who would start to spout self righteous invectives every > > > > > >> time someone mentioned Friday on Robinson Crusoe's island. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Robinsonades", is that what they call them? > > > > > > > > > > Never change, either one of you old farts. Or do. You're the > > > > > comedy at the end of the world. > > > > It's considered one of the first english novels, so I'd not call > > > > it the end, but rather a beginning. But sure, it's become kind of > > > > a nerd snipe for hitch hikers, and people who don't understand > > > > recursion. > > > You're a goddamned fool, and there's not a "computer science of > > > everyday life". > > > > Wider World: "Robinsonades" are the dirge of this everyday-dictator > > type, now become common in US life. They can't 'reason their way out > > of' the cultural contradictions. > Have you ever seen a tree? They're quite common in everyday life. > Trying to pass Tarski as postmodern, or Bill Nye as fascist, that's > wilder stuff. It seems titular inflation starts to cut both ways, > everyone becomes enlightened, and all tales stories about blue spheres. You're a freaking dipshit for real, like it's a Tuesday today. (Yeah, that's a 'T-biconditional' in the style of Tarski.) Really, the idea of lecturing people about "Robinsonades" is just too precious...
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-09 11:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6c395fa8-c947-436b-9907-a28d90f50072n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1579 |
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:09:30 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:22:50 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 12:19:29 -0800 (PST) > > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:49:50 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:56:00 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 19:39:47 -0500 > > > > > worm food <worm...@compostpunk.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/7/2024 11:25 AM, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > > > > On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:37:18 PM UTC-8, pataphor > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > >> Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > >> How would you know? I thought you were some weird American > > > > > > >> who would start to spout self righteous invectives every > > > > > > >> time someone mentioned Friday on Robinson Crusoe's island. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Robinsonades", is that what they call them? > > > > > > > > > > > > Never change, either one of you old farts. Or do. You're the > > > > > > comedy at the end of the world. > > > > > It's considered one of the first english novels, so I'd not call > > > > > it the end, but rather a beginning. But sure, it's become kind of > > > > > a nerd snipe for hitch hikers, and people who don't understand > > > > > recursion. > > > > You're a goddamned fool, and there's not a "computer science of > > > > everyday life". > > > > > > Wider World: "Robinsonades" are the dirge of this everyday-dictator > > > type, now become common in US life. They can't 'reason their way out > > > of' the cultural contradictions. > > Have you ever seen a tree? They're quite common in everyday life. > > Trying to pass Tarski as postmodern, or Bill Nye as fascist, that's > > wilder stuff. It seems titular inflation starts to cut both ways, > > everyone becomes enlightened, and all tales stories about blue spheres. > You're a freaking dipshit for real, like it's a Tuesday today. > (Yeah, that's a 'T-biconditional' in the style of Tarski.) > Really, the idea of lecturing people about "Robinsonades" is > just too precious... Tell us about "word salads" stuff, really.
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| From | pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-10 10:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20240110101235.507f4288@freespace> |
| In reply to | #1580 |
On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:13:48 -0800 (PST) Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:09:30 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:22:50 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 12:19:29 -0800 (PST) > > > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > > > Have you ever seen a tree? They're quite common in everyday life. > > > Trying to pass Tarski as postmodern, or Bill Nye as fascist, > > > that's wilder stuff. It seems titular inflation starts to cut > > > both ways, everyone becomes enlightened, and all tales stories > > > about blue spheres. > > You're a freaking dipshit for real, like it's a Tuesday today. > > (Yeah, that's a 'T-biconditional' in the style of Tarski.) > > Really, the idea of lecturing people about "Robinsonades" is > > just too precious... > > Tell us about "word salads" stuff, really. Don't you know style is in again? I suppose you wouldn't if you couldn't.
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-10 09:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7ef209ef-bbc5-4249-a58c-3f8bb105fc8an@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1581 |
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 1:12:37 AM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:13:48 -0800 (PST) > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:09:30 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:22:50 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 12:19:29 -0800 (PST) > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > > > Have you ever seen a tree? They're quite common in everyday life. > > > > Trying to pass Tarski as postmodern, or Bill Nye as fascist, > > > > that's wilder stuff. It seems titular inflation starts to cut > > > > both ways, everyone becomes enlightened, and all tales stories > > > > about blue spheres. > > > You're a freaking dipshit for real, like it's a Tuesday today. > > > (Yeah, that's a 'T-biconditional' in the style of Tarski.) > > > Really, the idea of lecturing people about "Robinsonades" is > > > just too precious... > > > > Tell us about "word salads" stuff, really. > Don't you know style is in again? I suppose you wouldn't if you > couldn't. Damn, dude, give up the "Little Prince" dictator-esque routine already.
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| From | pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-10 22:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20240110222427.41b9e0e5@freespace> |
| In reply to | #1582 |
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:02:23 -0800 (PST) Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 1:12:37 AM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:13:48 -0800 (PST) > > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:09:30 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard > > > wrote: > [...] > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > [...] > [...] > > > > > > Tell us about "word salads" stuff, really. > > Don't you know style is in again? I suppose you wouldn't if you > > couldn't. > > Damn, dude, give up the "Little Prince" dictator-esque routine > already. A failure to appreciate who started what in which iteration? No wonder recursion depth goes towards infinity. Woe is us, but it's not me.
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| From | Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-10 13:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7a6a3304-e256-40d4-af66-cd551db127dan@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1582 |
On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 1:12:37 AM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:13:48 -0800 (PST) > > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:09:30 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote: > > > > On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:22:50 PM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 12:19:29 -0800 (PST) > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > [...] > > > > > Have you ever seen a tree? They're quite common in everyday life. > > > > > Trying to pass Tarski as postmodern, or Bill Nye as fascist, > > > > > that's wilder stuff. It seems titular inflation starts to cut > > > > > both ways, everyone becomes enlightened, and all tales stories > > > > > about blue spheres. > > > > You're a freaking dipshit for real, like it's a Tuesday today. > > > > (Yeah, that's a 'T-biconditional' in the style of Tarski.) > > > > Really, the idea of lecturing people about "Robinsonades" is > > > > just too precious... > > > > > > Tell us about "word salads" stuff, really. > > Don't you know style is in again? I suppose you wouldn't if you > > couldn't. > Damn, dude, give up the "Little Prince" dictator-esque routine already. ...cause we just didn't need the 'instructive examples', really.
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| From | pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-10 23:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20240110231512.46f1a982@freespace> |
| In reply to | #1584 |
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:25:25 -0800 (PST) Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard > wrote: > > On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 1:12:37 AM UTC-8, pataphor wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:13:48 -0800 (PST) > > > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > > > Don't you know style is in again? I suppose you wouldn't if you > > > couldn't. > > Damn, dude, give up the "Little Prince" dictator-esque routine > > already. > > ...cause we just didn't need the 'instructive examples', really. Is baby feeling oceanic today? Or is it Friday.
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| From | pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-01-10 23:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20240110233008.1285ae9a@freespace> |
| In reply to | #1585 |
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 23:15:12 +0100 pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:25:25 -0800 (PST) > Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:02:25 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard > > wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 1:12:37 AM UTC-8, pataphor > > > wrote: > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > [...] > > > Damn, dude, give up the "Little Prince" dictator-esque routine > > > already. > > > > ...cause we just didn't need the 'instructive examples', really. > > Is baby feeling oceanic today? Or is it Friday. > How can people do math, when their prefrontal cortex has not awoken yet?
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