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First post2021-09-20 16:39 +0000
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  Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-09-20 16:39 +0000
    Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-09-21 10:05 -0400
      Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-09-22 15:17 +0000
        Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-09-22 18:17 -0400
          Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-09-27 19:07 +0000
            Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-09-28 00:06 -0400
              Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-10-04 15:36 +0000
                Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-10-07 15:59 -0400
                  Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-01 18:36 +0000
                    Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-05 16:49 -0400
                      Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-16 12:52 +0000
                        Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-17 12:43 -0500
                          Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-23 17:56 +0000
                            Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-23 18:21 -0500
      Re: Busy, busy, busy steve pope <spope384@gmail.com> - 2021-09-26 20:18 -0700
        Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-09-27 00:01 -0700
          Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-09-27 19:09 +0000
            Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-09-28 05:34 -0700
              Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-10-04 15:41 +0000
                Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-10-05 16:52 -0700
                  Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-10-07 16:03 -0400
                    Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-10-09 15:13 -0700
                      Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-10-12 08:39 -0400
                        Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-10-14 15:51 -0700
                          Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-10-14 22:17 -0400
                          Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-01 19:46 +0000
                            Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-11-02 18:36 -0700
                              Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-16 13:18 +0000
                                Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-11-18 06:20 -0800
                            Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-05 17:07 -0400
                              Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-16 14:04 +0000
                                Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-17 12:46 -0500
                                  Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-23 17:15 +0000
                                    Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-23 18:06 -0500
                                      Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-11-23 20:16 -0800
                                        Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-29 19:32 +0000
                                      Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-29 19:23 +0000
                                        Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-29 22:48 -0500
                                          Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-12-06 14:52 +0000
                      Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-01 19:44 +0000
                        Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-11-02 18:42 -0700
                          Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-05 17:06 -0400
                        Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-05 17:05 -0400
                          Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-16 14:07 +0000
                    Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-01 19:40 +0000
                      Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-05 17:04 -0400
                  Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-01 19:07 +0000
                    Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-11-02 18:50 -0700
                      Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-03 15:22 +0000
                        Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-05 16:58 -0400
                          Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-16 14:37 +0000
                            Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-17 13:00 -0500
                              Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-11-18 06:34 -0800
                              Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-23 17:52 +0000
                                Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-23 18:17 -0500
                                  Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-29 20:08 +0000
                                    Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-30 12:47 -0500
                                      Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-12-06 14:38 +0000
                                        Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-12-08 15:04 -0500
                      Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-16 14:14 +0000
                        Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-16 10:58 -0500
                          Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-11-18 07:06 -0800
                            Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-23 17:30 +0000
                              Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-11-23 10:58 -0800
                                Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-23 17:59 -0500
                                  Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-29 19:56 +0000
                                    Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-30 12:36 -0500
                                      Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-12-06 14:22 +0000
                                Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-29 19:52 +0000
                                  Re: Busy, busy, busy Freyja <FreyjaW@despam.yahoo.com> - 2021-11-29 12:29 -0800
                                    Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-30 12:35 -0500
                                      Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-12-06 14:21 +0000
                                        Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-12-08 14:54 -0500
                                          Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-12-13 15:38 +0000
                                    Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-12-06 14:08 +0000
                              Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-23 17:54 -0500
                                Re: Busy, busy, busy Chickpea <chickpea@gmx.co.uk> - 2021-11-27 20:08 +0000
                                  Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-29 19:57 +0000
                                    Re: Busy, busy, busy Chickpea <chickpea@gmx.co.uk> - 2022-01-28 10:17 +0400
                          Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-23 17:25 +0000
                            Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-23 17:50 -0500
                              Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-29 19:47 +0000
                                Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-11-30 12:41 -0500
        Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-09-27 19:08 +0000
        Re: Busy, busy, busy songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-09-27 13:35 -0400
        Re: Busy, busy, busy umar <866013149e@python.interpring.com> - 2021-11-16 12:53 +0000

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#32533

Fromsongbird <songbird@anthive.com>
Date2021-11-23 17:50 -0500
Message-ID<eq707i-2r2.ln1@anthive.com>
In reply to#32526
umar wrote:


...teacher and me did not mesh...

> That's more or less what soured me on math. I was something of a whiz at 
> math in high school, and entered college with an AP credit that let me 
> bypass the introduction to calculus course. But the math course I took 
> was taught by someone who couldn't communicate effectively with anyone 
> below Ph.D. level. That's the problem with some of these big-name 
> universities; their reputation is built on research and scholarship, and 
> the quality of teaching is a crap shoot. You might get someone who's a 
> world-class scholar but can't teach worth a damn.
>
> Anyway, I muddled through that math course but never took another one. 

  i was so naive and had such poor study skills when i got to
college, but i also had a major handicap and it was never found
out in time before i wasted a lot of effort and money and poor
performance.

  in high school i never had a pre-calculus course, but i did
so well on the placement test the college gave during orientation
that they put me into the first calculus class.  it was a five
credit class and i was lost so bad i had no idea what was going
on and the instructure for that class was a genius but he couldn't
get past my ignorance.

  i flunked it.  i didn't even know i could drop a class.  i
didn't even know that there was such a class as precalculus, i
stuggled through the first one, failed, repeated it, got a C,
took the next one, struggled through it but at least i did make
it through the class but still didn't know anything about
pre-calculus, etc.  i was failing the third class in the series
when i dropped it and tried again the next quarter.  eventually
made it through and only had Differential Equations to get
through to finally be done with the sequence and i had a great
teacher and was actually getting a B in the class when the
teacher announced that she had only been filling in for the
guy who was supposed to be teaching the class and that he would
be taking over.  i about hit the roof i was so mad.  and the
new teacher was not a very good speaker of English and that 
made it hard to attend lectures, but not only that he got 
angry if you asked him a question.  it was horrible.  i finished
the class with a D.  to say the least all these math classes
with poor grades did screw up my grade point average, but i
wasn't on any kind of scholarship so eventually i got through,
got my degree and that was it.

  somewhere in there i found some friends in the math depart-
ment who were also excellent teachers and i took any of the
classes they taught for fun if i could afford it and had the
time.  so i learned that i could do some kinds of math and do
well and i also learned how important it was for me to be able
to say no and drop a class if the teacher or subject wasn't 
working for me.  it wasn't until my third time through a
computation theory course that i finally started making sense
of it but i still only got a C.  the book and teacher were 
both better and some concepts finally leaked into my brain
somehow.  some topics i just don't learn very easy at all...  :(

  ah, well, good memories now and a lot to learn from and i
did my best after that to put into action what i did learn.  :)

  ok, well, rambly mood i guess, ...  cold outside.  i hope
everyone has a nice TG.  :)


  songbird

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#32550

Fromumar <866013149e@python.interpring.com>
Date2021-11-29 19:47 +0000
Message-ID<slrnsqabj0.eol.866013149e@python.interpring.com>
In reply to#32533
On 2021-11-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

>   in high school i never had a pre-calculus course, but i did
> so well on the placement test the college gave during orientation
> that they put me into the first calculus class.  it was a five
> credit class and i was lost so bad i had no idea what was going
> on and the instructure for that class was a genius but he couldn't
> get past my ignorance.

Teaching is, ultimately, communication. It's like broadcasting, in that 
the message needs to be understandable to the listener, or else it won't 
be understood. Some people can figure things out on their own, but a 
skill like solving equations needs to be learned by practice. Someone 
should try packaging it as a game.

> eventually made it through and only had Differential Equations to get 
> through to finally be done with the sequence and i had a great teacher 
> and was actually getting a B in the class when the teacher announced 
> that she had only been filling in for the guy who was supposed to be 
> teaching the class and that he would be taking over.  i about hit the 
> roof i was so mad.  and the new teacher was not a very good speaker of 
> English and that made it hard to attend lectures,

Yup, been there. 

> but not only that he got angry if you asked him a question.

He was clearly a poor teacher, then. The questions are how you figure 
out how well your message is getting through.

I wonder if it's possible he didn't understand the material very well 
himself. Sometimes people get roped into teaching subjects that are not 
their strongest.

My math skills have atrophied considerably over the years for lack of 
use. I have to think about even the simplest problems these days before 
arriving at an answer.

>   ok, well, rambly mood i guess, ...  cold outside.  i hope
> everyone has a nice TG.  :)

Mine was very nice. I took the train to Maine and spent the holiday with 
my girlfriend, her sister, and a couple of calico kitties.


umar

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#32558

Fromsongbird <songbird@anthive.com>
Date2021-11-30 12:41 -0500
Message-ID<5c4i7i-mv7.ln1@anthive.com>
In reply to#32550
umar wrote:
> songbird wrote:
...
>> eventually made it through and only had Differential Equations to get 
>> through to finally be done with the sequence and i had a great teacher 
>> and was actually getting a B in the class when the teacher announced 
>> that she had only been filling in for the guy who was supposed to be 
>> teaching the class and that he would be taking over.  i about hit the 
>> roof i was so mad.  and the new teacher was not a very good speaker of 
>> English and that made it hard to attend lectures,
>
> Yup, been there. 
>
>> but not only that he got angry if you asked him a question.
>
> He was clearly a poor teacher, then. The questions are how you figure 
> out how well your message is getting through.
>
> I wonder if it's possible he didn't understand the material very well 
> himself. Sometimes people get roped into teaching subjects that are not 
> their strongest.

  no, it was a cultural issue.  he wasn't yet familiar with
our culture and we had no idea he'd react the way he did 
until it was too late.  i basically shut up and finished the
class as best i could, but i really didn't have time for 
struggling either as i was working and going to school at 
the same time.


> My math skills have atrophied considerably over the years for lack of 
> use. I have to think about even the simplest problems these days before 
> arriving at an answer.

  i'll eventually have to face some of those demons/equations
down in a project i might get back to this winter.  up until
now i've not done much with matrices but the graphics things i
need to practice and learn more about involve some of that.


>>   ok, well, rambly mood i guess, ...  cold outside.  i hope
>> everyone has a nice TG.  :)
>
> Mine was very nice. I took the train to Maine and spent the holiday with 
> my girlfriend, her sister, and a couple of calico kitties.

  :)  sounds perfect to me.  congrats and kudoes and kitties!  :)


  songbird

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#32477

Fromumar <866013149e@python.interpring.com>
Date2021-09-27 19:08 +0000
Message-ID<slrnsl45l1.ol8.866013149e@python.interpring.com>
In reply to#32474
On 2021-09-27, steve pope <spope384@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello umar and songbird,
>
> Thanks for checking in.  It's good to hear some familar voices here in
> the old space.

Greetings to you, too! 


umar

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#32479

Fromsongbird <songbird@anthive.com>
Date2021-09-27 13:35 -0400
Message-ID<c0c92i-3c3.ln1@anthive.com>
In reply to#32474
steve pope wrote:
> Hello umar and songbird,
>
> Thanks for checking in.  It's good to hear some familar voices here in
> the old space.

  :)  i'm usually around, but if nobody else is talking here
it would sound too much like i was talking to myself.  and
aside from the fact that i've not been dating much in eons
so all i have to talk about is gardening and puttering around
cooking and cleaning with Mom (she does a lot of cooking for
other people and i help out and wash dishes or whatever).

  for gardening topics i tend to stick to the gardening group
and ditto for cooking.  the food preservation group has been
quiet the past few years so not much gets written there by me
any longer.

  what have you been up to?


  songbird

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#32512

Fromumar <866013149e@python.interpring.com>
Date2021-11-16 12:53 +0000
Message-ID<slrnsp7adq.trq.866013149e@python.interpring.com>
In reply to#32474
On 2021-09-27, steve pope <spope384@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello umar and songbird,
>
> Thanks for checking in.  It's good to hear some familar voices here in
> the old space.

You're welcome. 

I've been missing Usenet.


umar

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