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| Started by | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| First post | 2025-03-21 05:55 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000 |
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Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-21 05:55 +0000
A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-03-24 19:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-25 08:33 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Tango Romeo <TangoRomero@snope.com> - 2025-03-25 20:09 -0600
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-28 19:50 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 15:13 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-28 18:04 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 17:33 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 19:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:09 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-13 13:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 16:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 15:48 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 22:01 +0200
Android full backup. (was: A good thing or a bad thing) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 13:18 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:22 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:31 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:24 -0400
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-16 05:24 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-18 17:36 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-18 10:49 -0700
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-25 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-16 20:53 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 08:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:10 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 14:41 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:54 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 01:15 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 23:45 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 08:26 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 09:01 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 19:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 21:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 23:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m5n0jfFr38jU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81302 |
Marion, 2025-04-08 02:01: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 00:45:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >>> No other common consumer operating system restricts free app re-use. >>> Only Apple. >> >> that defines that software as "non Free", period. Don't beat >> around the bush. Meaning, don't write long explanations. That is not >> Free software. It may be gratis, but it is not Free. Uppercase. > > There is free open source software which does not cost money but when > distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. Which is irrelevant, since you can just download it again, if needed. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt6n12$9bk$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81326 |
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:31:12 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : >> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. > > Which is irrelevant, since you can just download it again, if needed. People on this newsgroup are supposed to understand that which they claim. I don't think you yet understand that your statement is patently false. Since these are technical newsgroups, it behooves you to understand iOS. Let's take a simple example that has happened to all of us at some point. a. Let's say you've got a free app on Windows, iOS and Android; b. Let's say the "latest version" is not the "last known good version"; c. Let's say you've been diligent with the backups on all 3 platforms. Sounds great so far, right? Now... let's say something unforeseen happens & you do a factory reset. Now what? Please answer the question below. Q: What happens on each operating system with respect to the re-install? Choice A. You're fucked on iOS. Choice B. You're fucked on iOS, but you're fine on Android. Choice C. You're fucked on iOS, but you're fine on Windows. Please choose any of the above which apply to that common situation. You must choose at least one, where the best answer is choose all three. -- Apple created a subterranean cavern they euphemistically call the "ecosystem" which traps their users in a prison beneath the real world.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m5rva2FkoidU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81335 |
Marion, 2025-04-09 22:58: > On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:31:12 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : > > >>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. >> >> Which is irrelevant, since you can just download it again, if needed. > > People on this newsgroup are supposed to understand that which they claim. > > I don't think you yet understand that your statement is patently false. > Since these are technical newsgroups, it behooves you to understand iOS. > > Let's take a simple example that has happened to all of us at some point. > a. Let's say you've got a free app on Windows, iOS and Android; > b. Let's say the "latest version" is not the "last known good version"; > c. Let's say you've been diligent with the backups on all 3 platforms. > > Sounds great so far, right? > Now... let's say something unforeseen happens & you do a factory reset. > > Now what? > Please answer the question below. > > Q: What happens on each operating system with respect to the re-install? > Choice A. You're fucked on iOS. Irrelevant, since you can not backup and transfer app installer files anyway. > Choice B. You're fucked on iOS, but you're fine on Android. No, since Android does not allow that either when using Google Play. > Choice C. You're fucked on iOS, but you're fine on Windows. No, since Windows does not allow that either when using Microsoft Store. Please do not confuse manual hacks with official ways how to install "Apps". > Please choose any of the above which apply to that common situation. > You must choose at least one, where the best answer is choose all three. All three are wrong or irrelevant. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vtaob7$2kuk$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81347 |
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 09:39:48 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : >> Please choose any of the above which apply to that common situation. >> You must choose at least one, where the best answer is choose all three. > > All three are wrong or irrelevant. See my prior response, where I happen to back up *all* my Windows & Android installers (every single installer version is backed up automatically). Here's my backup of Windows installers (this is just one folder): <https://i.postimg.cc/jSNb7bkF/pspdf.jpg> backup of all my ps & pdf installers Here's my backup of all my Android installers. <https://i.postimg.cc/cJQPvngN/aurora09.jpg> don't delete the APK after installing it Here's my backup of all my iOS installers. <null set> The technical issue we're answering in this thread is what's *unique* about the various platforms, and whether that uniqueness is good or bad overall. The fact that it's impossible to back up all your iOS installers is unique. And that's bad.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m5n0gnFr38jU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81300 |
Marion, 2025-04-07 22:34: [...] > When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a provisioning > profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer account and a set of > authorized devices. For apps downloaded from the App Store, this process is > managed by Apple and linked to your Apple ID. > > All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open source" suffer > this process, since every single app ever downloaded from Apple's App Store > restricts their usage to the Apple ID that originally downloaded them. Well - in that case this is irrelevant, since free apps can be downloaded again from the original source. [...] > The question now arises as to *why* Apple adds your unique Apple ID to > every app installed from the Apple App Store, even those which you'd > otherwise consider to be "free & open source". Note that Apple can track > not only your usage of that app, but meta data inherent in that usage. Maybe because for *paid* apps Apple wants to control on which devices the app is used. And since apple does not expect anyone providing apps for free, this also affects those apps as well. Also keep in min: to distribute apps in the App Store you have to pay a yearly fee for the membership in the developer program, regardless if your app is a free app or not. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vt6b4o.180k.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81325 |
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > Marion, 2025-04-07 22:34: > > [...] > > When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a provisioning > > profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer account and a set of > > authorized devices. For apps downloaded from the App Store, this process is > > managed by Apple and linked to your Apple ID. > > > > All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open source" suffer > > this process, since every single app ever downloaded from Apple's App Store > > restricts their usage to the Apple ID that originally downloaded them. > > Well - in that case this is irrelevant, since free apps can be > downloaded again from the original source. I have no beef in this (non-)discussion, but you can only download again, if the "original source" still exists! That's often - and probably even most of the time - the case for software downloaded from Apple's App Store. But in some cases, an app might be withdrawn from the App Store, which means it is no longer available for download/installation on a new device. That *is* a difference with (free (as in no-cost)) Android apps and many free Windows software. That's why I save Android APKs [1] and Windows install packages, in case I want/need to install them on a new device. (Case in point: The *22 year old* Hamster news server which brings you this article! :-)) So while 'Arlen' is obviously on another one of his troll sprees, he *does* have a/this point. Now back to lurking. Can somebody please pass the popcorn? [...] [1] Yes, I noted your comments that - depending on compatibility - a saved APK might not be usable on a new device
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vt6ocs$2k9r$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81331 |
On 9 Apr 2025 15:35:53 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote : > That *is* a difference with (free (as in no-cost)) Android apps and > many free Windows software. That's why I save Android APKs [1] and > Windows install packages, in case I want/need to install them on a new > device. (Case in point: The *22 year old* Hamster news server which > brings you this article! :-)) There's a very important technical point to be made in what Frank said. Very few people know or understand how important it is what Frank said. Frank is correct that with every other common consumer operating system other than Apple's iOS, you can restore the exact version you had prior. With iOS, you can't. And that's bad. With iOS, there is no such thing as a backup of an app. A backup does not exist. Apple has forbidden its users the decency of that app backup. The only thing Apple will allow the user to back up is the app data. But not the app. The fact is that it's uniquely impossible to back up any iOS device. My assessment of that fact is *that* is what's uniquely bad about iOS. -- Note that heroics are possible, but we're talking how the system works.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <m5rvaqFkoidU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81331 |
Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-09 17:35: > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: >> Marion, 2025-04-07 22:34: >> >> [...] >>> When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a provisioning >>> profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer account and a set of >>> authorized devices. For apps downloaded from the App Store, this process is >>> managed by Apple and linked to your Apple ID. >>> >>> All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open source" suffer >>> this process, since every single app ever downloaded from Apple's App Store >>> restricts their usage to the Apple ID that originally downloaded them. >> >> Well - in that case this is irrelevant, since free apps can be >> downloaded again from the original source. > > I have no beef in this (non-)discussion, but you can only download > again, if the "original source" still exists! Which also applies to Android. So what? -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtb79t.m8c.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81348 |
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-09 17:35: > > > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > >> Marion, 2025-04-07 22:34: > >> > >> [...] > >>> When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a > >>> provisioning profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer > >>> account and a set of authorized devices. For apps downloaded from > >>> the App Store, this process is managed by Apple and linked to your > >>> Apple ID. > >>> > >>> All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open > >>> source" suffer this process, since every single app ever > >>> downloaded from Apple's App Store restricts their usage to the > >>> Apple ID that originally downloaded them. > >> > >> Well - in that case this is irrelevant, since free apps can be > >> downloaded again from the original source. > > > > I have no beef in this (non-)discussion, but you can only download > > again, if the "original source" still exists! > > Which also applies to Android. So what? Ah! You now resort to lying by omission? In the (big) part you 'conveniently' silently snipped, I specificall said (amongst others) "That's why I save Android APKs ...". So in the iOS case, if the original source does no longer exist, you're out of luck, but in the Android case, you can install the app from it's backed up APK.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <m5sr89Fp4c5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81352 |
On 2025-04-11, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: >> Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-09 17:35: >> >> > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: >> >> Marion, 2025-04-07 22:34: >> >> >> >> [...] >> >>> When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a >> >>> provisioning profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer >> >>> account and a set of authorized devices. For apps downloaded from >> >>> the App Store, this process is managed by Apple and linked to your >> >>> Apple ID. >> >>> >> >>> All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open >> >>> source" suffer this process, since every single app ever >> >>> downloaded from Apple's App Store restricts their usage to the >> >>> Apple ID that originally downloaded them. >> >> >> >> Well - in that case this is irrelevant, since free apps can be >> >> downloaded again from the original source. >> > >> > I have no beef in this (non-)discussion, but you can only download >> > again, if the "original source" still exists! >> >> Which also applies to Android. So what? > > Ah! You now resort to lying by omission? In the (big) part you > 'conveniently' silently snipped, I specificall said (amongst others) > "That's why I save Android APKs ...". I've been backing up my iOS app IPAs for years, and have every version going back to around 2008 archived. Apparently what I am doing is impossible or something. What have I been doing wrong all this time? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtbqnu.op8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81353 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2025-04-11, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > >> Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-09 17:35: > >> > >> > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > >> >> Marion, 2025-04-07 22:34: > >> >> > >> >> [...] > >> >>> When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a > >> >>> provisioning profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer > >> >>> account and a set of authorized devices. For apps downloaded from > >> >>> the App Store, this process is managed by Apple and linked to your > >> >>> Apple ID. > >> >>> > >> >>> All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open > >> >>> source" suffer this process, since every single app ever > >> >>> downloaded from Apple's App Store restricts their usage to the > >> >>> Apple ID that originally downloaded them. > >> >> > >> >> Well - in that case this is irrelevant, since free apps can be > >> >> downloaded again from the original source. > >> > > >> > I have no beef in this (non-)discussion, but you can only download > >> > again, if the "original source" still exists! > >> > >> Which also applies to Android. So what? > > > > Ah! You now resort to lying by omission? In the (big) part you > > 'conveniently' silently snipped, I specificall said (amongst others) > > "That's why I save Android APKs ...". > > I've been backing up my iOS app IPAs for years, and have every version > going back to around 2008 archived. Apparently what I am doing is > impossible or something. What have I been doing wrong all this time? You tell *them*! As I said, "I have no beef in this (non-)discussion," But I also thought that you could backup and restore iOS apps. At least that's what You Guys (TM) have been telling us. I don't know either way, because I don't have any iOS devices. [Rewind/repeat:] Now back to lurking. Can somebody please pass the popcorn?
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtboc9$1jnt$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81354 |
On 11 Apr 2025 17:32:43 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote : >> I've been backing up my iOS app IPAs for years, and have every version >> going back to around 2008 archived. Apparently what I am doing is >> impossible or something. What have I been doing wrong all this time? > > You tell *them*! As I said, "I have no beef in this (non-)discussion," > > But I also thought that you could backup and restore iOS apps. At > least that's what You Guys (TM) have been telling us. > > I don't know either way, because I don't have any iOS devices. Frank, Please don't be bamboozled by the deceitful Apple troll's lies. I do have iOS devices, Frank. Plenty. And I know how iTunes works. So does Jolly Roger. He's lying. C'mon Jolly Roger. Tell us that you installed the current Windows iTunes 12.13.7.1 and then you did a full backup & you were able to save the IPA. I could stop there to see the lies that unprepossessing troll spews... But suffice to save time for everyone to say the M$ iTunes backup is here: C:\Users\JR\Apple\MobileSync\Backup Or here, if you installed the current latest iTunes from Apple: C:\Users\JR\AppData\Roaming\Apple Computer\MobileSync\Backup FACT: It does NOT contain the IPA. Anyone who says it does, as Jolly Roger implied, is a duplicitous liar. Since most people on this newsgroup are not aware these Apple trolls like Jolly Roger are deceitful liars, ask Jolly Roger how old his iTunes is. HINT: Windows iTunes hasn't saved an IPA since the 12.7 version in 2017.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <m63dtlFqn10U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81357 |
On 2025-04-11, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: > On 11 Apr 2025 17:32:43 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote : > >>> I've been backing up my iOS app IPAs for years, and have every >>> version going back to around 2008 archived. Apparently what I am >>> doing is impossible or something. What have I been doing wrong all >>> this time? >> >> You tell *them*! As I said, "I have no beef in this >> (non-)discussion," >> >> But I also thought that you could backup and restore iOS apps. At >> least that's what You Guys (TM) have been telling us. >> >> I don't know either way, because I don't have any iOS devices. > > Frank, > > Please don't be bamboozled by the deceitful Apple troll's lies. > > I do have iOS devices, Frank. Plenty. And I know how iTunes works. So > does Jolly Roger. He's lying. > > C'mon Jolly Roger. Tell us that you installed the current Windows > iTunes 12.13.7.1 and then you did a full backup & you were able to > save the IPA. I've explained in detail how to back up IPA files of the apps you've installed right here in these newsgroups, and clearly you ignored it then. You're the *last* person I'm going to repeat myself to. Fuck off if you can't be bothered to read what I already told you. Your trolls are ultra-weak which is blatantly obvious to anyone who knows better. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vti575$1gcs$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81367 |
On 14 Apr 2025 03:32:05 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote : >> C'mon Jolly Roger. Tell us that you installed the current Windows >> iTunes 12.13.7.1 and then you did a full backup & you were able to >> save the IPA. > > I've explained in detail how to back up IPA files of the apps you've > installed right here in these newsgroups, and clearly you ignored it > then. You're the *last* person I'm going to repeat myself to. Fuck off > if you can't be bothered to read what I already told you. Your trolls > are ultra-weak which is blatantly obvious to anyone who knows better. Heh heh heh... You knew you were lying when you said the current Windows iTunes will back up an iOS IPA because it hasn't done that since the 12.7 version in 2017. These Apple trolls like Jolly Roger can only survive on the child-like Apple newsgroups because most Apple users have no idea how things work. Suffice to say, that iOS is the *only* operating system where you can't even back up your IPAs. And even if you did, you can't re-use them because iOS is the only operating system where each installer is locked to you. And that's bad.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtbnfn$13pb$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81352 |
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 15:04:04 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote :
>>> >> Well - in that case this is irrelevant, since free apps can be
>>> >> downloaded again from the original source.
>>> >
>>> > you can only download
>>> > again, if the "original source" still exists!
>>>
>>> Which also applies to Android. So what?
>>
>> Ah! You now resort to lying by omission? In the (big) part you
>>'conveniently' silently snipped, I specificall said (amongst others)
>>"That's why I save Android APKs ...".
>> So in the iOS case,
>
>>if the original source does no longer exist,
>>you're out of luck, but in the Android case, you can install the app
>>from it's backed up APK.
>
> Sometimes I use an old backed up apk even when the Play Store and/or Amazon
> Appstore still has the app available because I like the old version better.
> Course I have to turn off the automatic app updates and do them manually, a
> bit of a PITA but then I've got lots of free time...
How is it a "bit of a pita" when every APK you installed is always
automatically saved to your Windows PC (as Android is mounted as a drive)?
<https://i.postimg.cc/hjkVFyqJ/scrcpy07.jpg> Android mnt as drive letter
All you do is select APKs in Windows File Explore GUI, and just slide them
over to the two-foot-tall Android image on the monitor to install them
<https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag & drop APK to install
You can install a thousand APKs in a single action.
*How is drag-and-drop a PITA?*
Especially when the APKs are saved, hands off, totally automatically.
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: === Android
Re-use of Android APKs is, I'd wager, the easiest of all platforms.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtce25$18mr$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81356 |
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 19:49:38 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote : >>How is it a "bit of a pita" when every APK you installed is always >>automatically saved to your Windows PC (as Android is mounted as a drive)? >> <https://i.postimg.cc/hjkVFyqJ/scrcpy07.jpg> Android mnt as drive letter > > I think you misunderstood me. Let me give an example. I'm now posting using > an Amazon Fire HD10 tablet. It came with the Amazon Appstore. I have since > installed Google stuff on it and thus it also has the Play Store. Both > stores came set to automatically update apps. Oh. I'm sorry. You're right. I don't use a newsreader so I don't know whom I'm speaking with (unless I specifically look at the attribute line). I thought you were the guy who was trying to claim that Android APKs are done similarly to iOS IPAs, which put me in a bad mood responding to him. I apologize for being a dolt. > So when I install an old preferred apk version of a still available (in the > stores) app on this tablet it wouldn't stay old long because one of the > stores would automatically update it to the current version. Yup. I agree. Your observation of what happens is likely what happens to most people, and, in fact, my wife drives me nuts because I put the last known good version of PulseSMS on her phone and she lets it update! Obviously I don't even have the Google Play Store app on my phone, so any update that it might do, it can't do - simply because it doesn't exist. :) But I do have the FOSS Google Play Store apps, which will update by default (so obviously I turn that off for the reasons you so helpfully explained). > So I've turned off auto-updating in both stores. The PITA is that I now have > to periodically check both stores and manually update the other apps that > do need updates... Yes. I agree. Although there _is_ a solution which most people don't know. That solution is NOT intuitive. It's completely unintuitive in fact. Actually, what I'm going to tell you only one in a million people (my estimate) have any inkling of - and I only know it because I'm not the kind of guy that assumes things so I only know it because I *tested* it out. On Android, the Google Play Store app has a checkbox to "update apps" but in reality, it updates almost nothing. Yup. Almost nothing. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsXKj7WK/updateallapps01.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/4djB69pr/updateallapps02.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/02xKj04h/updateallapps03.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/3xxyCJYB/updateallapps04.jpg> The funny thing is it does that update of almost nothing without you even being logged into a Google Account on your phone. Ask me how I know that. There are threads on this where I tested the Google App Store update against "real" updaters, and the difference was completely shocking. The real updaters go onto the Google Play Store repository and for every app that has an update, they give you a GUI that you can update it. If you want to update it. You don't have to. But what's SHOCKING different is the Google Play Store update mechanism is shocking deficient. It's so bad I'd assess it at almost totally worthless. Even the Apple Play Store update mechanism is better than that of Google. In summary, and this is *important* because everyone "assumes" (incorrectly) that the Google Play Store "update" mechanism will update all your apps that have available updates in the Google Play repo. It does not. It's not even close. You can see that easily by running two steps that I've run so I know this. 1. Update using the Google Play Store update mechanism, and then, 2. Run a real updater. You'll be shocked at the differences (hundreds of updates are missing!). Not to give you too much information, but there are updaters and there are updaters, where some updaters actually look at other repositories, while other updaters only look at the Google Play Store repository. Here are some from my notes... if you're interested in checking them out. 1. Obtainium <https://github.com/ImranR98/Obtainium> GitHub, GitLab, SourceForge, F-Droid, IzzyOnDroid, APKPure, Aptoide, Uptodown, APKMirror (Track-Only), etc. 2. APK Updater <https://github.com/rumboalla/apkupdater> GitHub, GitLab, F-Droid, APKPure, Aptoide, APKMirror, IzzyOnDroid, etc. 3. App Updater <com.update.software.updateallapps> (has ads) Google Play Store repository
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <5h4aclxchm.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81242 |
On 2025-04-03 01:38, Marion wrote: > On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : > > >>>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>>> >>>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>>> you? >>> >>> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. >> >> Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple >> devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, >> Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus >> the various Apple operating systems themselves. > > There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. > > What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. > That's bad. Then it is not Free software. Free as in Freedom. > > What's common about all other operating systems is that you can. > That's good. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsusme$21apf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81292 |
On 2025-04-06 11:18:29 +0000, Carlos E.R. said: > On 2025-04-03 01:38, Marion wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : >>>>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>>>> >>>>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>>>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>>>> you? >>>> >>>> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. >>> >>> Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple >>> devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, >>> Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus >>> the various Apple operating systems themselves. >> >> There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. >> >> What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. >> That's bad. > > Then it is not Free software. Free as in Freedom. "Marion" is simply a brainless anti-Apple know-nothing troll. Please just ignore / killfile the moron and stop re-cross-posting the crap. >> What's common about all other operating systems is that you can. >> That's good.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt6oq0$2p86$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81294 |
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 09:45:51 +1200, Your Name wrote : > simply a brainless anti-Apple know-nothing troll. These are technical newsgroups... and this is a technical subject. The adults will notice we're talking how iOS is different from all other operating systems, e.g., an app backup is essentially impossible on iOS. And yet, the Apple trolls (like Your Name) hate that we're discussing this technical feature of iOS which - let's face it - is unique among systems. Only Apple doesn't allow iOS users the common decency of an app backup. The only thing Apple allows the poor iOS user to back up is the app data. But not the app. And that's bad.
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| From | Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt6t06$1k2ph$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81337 |
Marion wrote: > On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 09:45:51 +1200, Your Name wrote : > > >> simply a brainless anti-Apple know-nothing troll. > > These are technical newsgroups... and this is a technical subject. > > The adults will notice we're talking how iOS is different from all other > operating systems, e.g., an app backup is essentially impossible on iOS. > > And yet, the Apple trolls (like Your Name) hate that we're discussing this > technical feature of iOS which - let's face it - is unique among systems. > > Only Apple doesn't allow iOS users the common decency of an app backup. > The only thing Apple allows the poor iOS user to back up is the app data. > > But not the app. > And that's bad. > So, why does this matter, Arlen? When you do a restore on an apple gadget (Iphone, Ipad, etc), it downloads the latest version from the apple "store". And since it DOES save the app's data, that will put things back exactly as they were. Only exception is if you were using an old version, no longer offered on the "store" ... then you're just fucked.
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