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  Debian 10 "buster" released "Anonymous" <anon@anon.com> - 2019-07-07 07:02 -0500
    Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-07-07 07:27 -0700
      Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Freenet" <pieer@free.fr> - 2019-07-07 09:36 -0500
      Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-07-07 07:50 -0700
    Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-07 12:43 -0600
      Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-07 19:53 +0100
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-07 16:45 -0600
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-08 11:50 +0100
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-07-08 12:53 +0000
              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-07-08 16:17 -0400
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> - 2019-07-08 09:48 -0400
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 11:19 -0600
              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-08 19:17 +0100
                Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 16:06 -0600
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2019-07-08 17:47 +0000
      Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-07-07 22:07 +0200
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-07 21:21 +0100
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-07 16:50 -0600
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-08 11:54 +0100
              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 11:21 -0600
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-07-07 22:38 +0200
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-07-08 07:08 +0200
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-07-08 05:54 +0000
              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-07-08 19:32 +0200
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-07-08 22:02 +0200
              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-08 21:15 +0100
                Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-07-09 04:38 +0200
                  Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-09 08:41 +0100
                    Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-07-09 12:22 +0200
                      Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-09 12:06 +0100
                        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-07-09 13:11 +0200
                          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-09 12:13 +0100
                            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-09 12:19 +0100
                              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-07-09 19:32 +0200
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2019-07-07 23:53 +0200
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-07 16:51 -0600
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2019-07-08 01:56 +0200
              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 11:22 -0600
                Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2019-07-08 20:58 +0200
                  Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 16:08 -0600
                Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-07-08 14:08 -0500
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-07 16:48 -0600
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-08 11:52 +0100
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 11:27 -0600
              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-08 19:19 +0100
                Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 16:11 -0600
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Anonymous" <anon@anon.com> - 2019-07-07 20:31 -0500
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-07-08 04:23 +0200
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-07-07 22:40 -0400
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 11:30 -0600
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 11:29 -0600
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-08 14:12 +0100
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Freenet" <pieer@free.fr> - 2019-07-08 09:05 -0500
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-07-08 15:02 +0000
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-08 16:13 +0100
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 11:33 -0600
      Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-07-08 11:05 -0700
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-08 16:17 -0600
      Re: Debian 10 "buster" released William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2019-07-17 23:27 +0100
    Re: Debian 10 "buster" released William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2019-07-17 23:25 +0100
      Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-18 01:21 +0100
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released John McCue <jmccue@jmclin1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> - 2019-07-18 01:18 +0000
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-07-18 13:32 -0400
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-07-18 19:36 +0000
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2019-07-18 10:52 +0100
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-18 15:59 +0100
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-07-18 13:36 -0400
              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-18 19:00 +0100
                Re: Debian 10 "buster" released "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-07-18 20:49 +0200
                Re: Debian 10 "buster" released Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2019-07-18 15:01 -0400
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2019-07-18 23:10 +0100
              Re: Debian 10 "buster" released The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2019-07-19 09:08 +0100
          Re: Debian 10 "buster" released owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-07-18 15:59 +0000
            Re: Debian 10 "buster" released William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2019-07-18 23:09 +0100
        Re: Debian 10 "buster" released AnonLinuxUser <Anon@Linuxusers.net> - 2019-07-18 15:47 -0600

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#57695

On 17/07/2019 23:25, William Poaster wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:02:42 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
> 
>> With systemd.  I HATE SYSYEMD!!!
>>
> *YAWN* Troll bait
> 
systemd is preventing my laptop from shutting down. Its a problem* that 
has apparantly been noted at leat 3 years ago, and no fix has found its 
way into the mainstream.

I HATE SYSYEMD TOO!!!

*NFS mounts via wifi, hang on shutdown. Forever



-- 
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will 
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such 
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic 
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally 
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for 
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the 
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

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#57696

In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 17/07/2019 23:25, William Poaster wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:02:42 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
>> 
<snip>
> systemd is preventing my laptop from shutting down. Its a problem* that 
> has apparantly been noted at leat 3 years ago, and no fix has found its 
> way into the mainstream.

Interesting, at least 2 or 3 times a month I have the same
issue on my workstation (RHEL 7.6) at work.  Every so often
it freezes during shutdown, I cannot ssh into it either,
so a hard power off.  At work we have a choice of using
Windows 10 or RHEL, easy decision for me :)  RHEL 10x
better than W10, but seems to me they are heading closer
to each other as time goes on.

I have never seen this issue prior to using systemd and I
have been on Linux for over 20 years.  So to me the issue
points directly towards systemd.

> 
> I HATE SYSYEMD TOO!!!

Well I do not 'hate' it, but I do not have it on any
systems I have control over either, a bit too bloated and
complicated for my taste.

> 
> *NFS mounts via wifi, hang on shutdown. Forever
> 

Never had to do that.

John

Newsgroups/Followups Trimmed to only Linux specific groups

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#57703

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:18:25 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> I HATE SYSYEMD TOO!!!
>
> Well I do not 'hate' it, but I do not have it on any
> systems I have control over either, a bit too bloated and
> complicated for my taste.

[+1]
-- 
Andreas

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#57712

In comp.os.linux.misc Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:18:25 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> I HATE SYSYEMD TOO!!!
>>
>> Well I do not 'hate' it, but I do not have it on any
>> systems I have control over either, a bit too bloated and
>> complicated for my taste.
> 
> [+1]

Perhaps the word detest would be a better choice than hate. 

I use Salix, a Slackware derivative, and so far Pat has resisted
systemd.

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#57698

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:21:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 17/07/2019 23:25, William Poaster wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:02:42 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
>> 
>>> With systemd.  I HATE SYSYEMD!!!
>>>
>> *YAWN* Troll bait
>> 
> systemd is preventing my laptop from shutting down. Its a problem* that
> has apparantly been noted at leat 3 years ago, and no fix has found its
> way into the mainstream.

I have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" on an ASUS laptop, no problem shutting down.
Before that I had Debian 8 installed on it, again no problem shutting
down. 
I also have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" & 10 "Buster" on three desktops, no
problem shutting them down.

> I HATE SYSYEMD TOO!!!
> 
> *NFS mounts via wifi, hang on shutdown. Forever

(crossposts to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy deleted)

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#57700

On 18/07/2019 10:52, William Poaster wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:21:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 17/07/2019 23:25, William Poaster wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:02:42 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
>>>
>>>> With systemd.  I HATE SYSYEMD!!!
>>>>
>>> *YAWN* Troll bait
>>>
>> systemd is preventing my laptop from shutting down. Its a problem* that
>> has apparantly been noted at leat 3 years ago, and no fix has found its
>> way into the mainstream.
> 
> I have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" on an ASUS laptop, no problem shutting down.
> Before that I had Debian 8 installed on it, again no problem shutting
> down.
> I also have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" & 10 "Buster" on three desktops, no
> problem shutting them down.

Do you have NFS mounts in fstab and a wifi only connection?

If not, dont muddy the waters.

> 
>> I HATE SYSYEMD TOO!!!
>>
>> *NFS mounts via wifi, hang on shutdown. Forever
> 
> (crossposts to alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.advocacy deleted)
> 


-- 
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that 
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is 
fully understood.

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#57704

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:59:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 18/07/2019 10:52, William Poaster wrote:
>>
>> I have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" on an ASUS laptop, no problem shutting down.
>> Before that I had Debian 8 installed on it, again no problem shutting
>> down.
>> I also have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" & 10 "Buster" on three desktops, no
>> problem shutting them down.
>
> Do you have NFS mounts in fstab and a wifi only connection?

But if, add _netdev to the line. Or noauto and mount it manually when
needed *after* connecting.
-- 
Andreas

My random thoughts and comments
https://news-commentaries.blogspot.com/

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#57706

On 18/07/2019 18:36, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:59:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> On 18/07/2019 10:52, William Poaster wrote:
>>>
>>> I have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" on an ASUS laptop, no problem shutting down.
>>> Before that I had Debian 8 installed on it, again no problem shutting
>>> down.
>>> I also have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" & 10 "Buster" on three desktops, no
>>> problem shutting them down.
>>
>> Do you have NFS mounts in fstab and a wifi only connection?
> 
> But if, add _netdev to the line. Or noauto and mount it manually when
> needed *after* connecting.
> 

Do so, but it won't shut down once connected.


-- 
“Some people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of 
a car with the cramped public exposure of 
an airplane.”

Dennis Miller

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#57708

On 18/07/2019 20.00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 18/07/2019 18:36, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:59:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> On 18/07/2019 10:52, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" on an ASUS laptop, no problem shutting down.
>>>> Before that I had Debian 8 installed on it, again no problem shutting
>>>> down.
>>>> I also have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" & 10 "Buster" on three desktops, no
>>>> problem shutting them down.
>>>
>>> Do you have NFS mounts in fstab and a wifi only connection?
>>
>> But if, add _netdev to the line. Or noauto and mount it manually when
>> needed *after* connecting.
>>
> 
> Do so, but it won't shut down once connected.

Maybe:


# cat /etc/sysctl.d/90-nfs.conf
fs/nfs/nlm_grace_period = 10
# grep -i leasetime /etc/sysconfig/nfs
NFSV4LEASETIME="10"


On some newer systems, also do:

# /etc/nfs.conf.local
[nfsd]
 grace-time=$NFSV4GRACETIME


(the instructions are taken from a mail on opensuse.org list)


Another suggestion says to add x-systemd.requires=named.service
to fstab entries (client nfs entries), when using local name resolution
service.

Related, another sugestion was add a drop-in (using systemctl edit) to
fstab auto generated seervice for the mount with "Wants=nss-lookup.target".

<https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2018-03/msg00509.html>

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57709

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:00:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> On 18/07/2019 18:36, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:59:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>> Do you have NFS mounts in fstab and a wifi only connection?
>>
>> But if, add _netdev to the line. Or noauto and mount it manually when
>> needed *after* connecting.
>
> Do so, but it won't shut down once connected.

Then terminate the connection down before shutting down the
computer. Yeah, not really convenient...

I don't use NFS but have otherwise no problems shutting down the computer
while still being online and connected to DAV and other services.

I admit I had a problem with Debian after systemd took over. When I was
at home it booted without internet fine. I brought the computer later
online via PPPOE. But when I was in a public WIFI space which required to
push a button in a captive portal it would hang (I waited even five
minutes). I couldn't push this button in the web browser because it
hung. I booted into safe mode and told this WIFI connection to not
automatically connect. That "solved" the problem.

To avoid this in the future I set all my WIFI sources up to not
automatically connect to them when in range. The laptop boots up and I
then manually connect to WIFI.

Well yes, I could blame systemd for that because this never happened
before...
-- 
Andreas

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#57721

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:59:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 18/07/2019 10:52, William Poaster wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:21:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 17/07/2019 23:25, William Poaster wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:02:42 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With systemd.  I HATE SYSYEMD!!!
>>>>>
>>>> *YAWN* Troll bait
>>>>
>>> systemd is preventing my laptop from shutting down. Its a problem* that
>>> has apparantly been noted at leat 3 years ago, and no fix has found its
>>> way into the mainstream.
>> 
>> I have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" on an ASUS laptop, no problem shutting down.
>> Before that I had Debian 8 installed on it, again no problem shutting
>> down.
>> I also have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" & 10 "Buster" on three desktops, no
>> problem shutting them down.
> 
> Do you have NFS mounts in fstab and a wifi only connection?
> 
> If not, dont muddy the waters.

And just who made *you* the group moderator?

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#57726

On 18/07/2019 23:10, William Poaster wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:59:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 18/07/2019 10:52, William Poaster wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:21:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/07/2019 23:25, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:02:42 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With systemd.  I HATE SYSYEMD!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> *YAWN* Troll bait
>>>>>
>>>> systemd is preventing my laptop from shutting down. Its a problem* that
>>>> has apparantly been noted at leat 3 years ago, and no fix has found its
>>>> way into the mainstream.
>>>
>>> I have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" on an ASUS laptop, no problem shutting down.
>>> Before that I had Debian 8 installed on it, again no problem shutting
>>> down.
>>> I also have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" & 10 "Buster" on three desktops, no
>>> problem shutting them down.
>>
>> Do you have NFS mounts in fstab and a wifi only connection?
>>
>> If not, dont muddy the waters.
> 
> And just who made *you* the group moderator?
> 
The fact that you are respondeing to somethoing I poisted gives me some 
moral if not legal rights to ask you not to post unrelated information 
to support a position of advocacy.

Imagine I had siad 'I got rear ended and my Ford Pinto went up in 
flames' and you replied 'I have driven thousands of miles and mine hasn't'.

I repeat. the sysnmd behaviour is related to NFS over a WLAN.






-- 
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is 
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

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#57701

In alt.os.linux William Poaster <wp@dev.null> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:21:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 17/07/2019 23:25, William Poaster wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:02:42 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
>>> 
>>>> With systemd.  I HATE SYSYEMD!!!
>>>>
>>> *YAWN* Troll bait
>>> 
>> systemd is preventing my laptop from shutting down. Its a problem* that
>> has apparantly been noted at leat 3 years ago, and no fix has found its
>> way into the mainstream.
> 
> I have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" on an ASUS laptop, no problem shutting down.
> Before that I had Debian 8 installed on it, again no problem shutting
> down. 
> I also have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" & 10 "Buster" on three desktops, no
> problem shutting them down.
> 

"Jessie" is Debian 8.

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#57720

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:59:35 +0000, owl wrote:

> In alt.os.linux William Poaster <wp@dev.null> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:21:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 17/07/2019 23:25, William Poaster wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:02:42 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> With systemd.  I HATE SYSYEMD!!!
>>>>>
>>>> *YAWN* Troll bait
>>>> 
>>> systemd is preventing my laptop from shutting down. Its a problem* that
>>> has apparantly been noted at leat 3 years ago, and no fix has found its
>>> way into the mainstream.
>> 
>> I have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" on an ASUS laptop, no problem shutting down.
>> Before that I had Debian 8 installed on it, again no problem shutting
>> down.
>> I also have Debian 9.9 "Jessie" & 10 "Buster" on three desktops, no
>> problem shutting them down.
>> 
>> 
> "Jessie" is Debian 8.

My bad! Debian 9.9 is "Stretch" of course.

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#57717

On 7/17/2019 6:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/07/2019 23:25, William Poaster wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:02:42 -0500, Anonymous wrote:
>>
>>> With systemd.  I HATE SYSYEMD!!!
>>>
>> *YAWN* Troll bait
>>
> systemd is preventing my laptop from shutting down. Its a problem* that 
> has apparantly been noted at leat 3 years ago, and no fix has found its 
> way into the mainstream.
> 
> I HATE SYSYEMD TOO!!!
> 
> *NFS mounts via wifi, hang on shutdown. Forever
> 
> 
> 
What a bunch of BS.

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