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| Started by | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| First post | 2025-03-21 05:55 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000 |
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Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-21 05:55 +0000
A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-03-24 19:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-25 08:33 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Tango Romeo <TangoRomero@snope.com> - 2025-03-25 20:09 -0600
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-28 19:50 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 15:13 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-28 18:04 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 17:33 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 19:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:09 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-13 13:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 16:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 15:48 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 22:01 +0200
Android full backup. (was: A good thing or a bad thing) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 13:18 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:22 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:31 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:24 -0400
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-16 05:24 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-18 17:36 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-18 10:49 -0700
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-25 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-16 20:53 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 08:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:10 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 14:41 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:54 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 01:15 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 23:45 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 08:26 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 09:01 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 19:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 21:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 23:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000
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| Date | 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
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| In reply to | #81275 |
On Apr 4, 2025, WolfFan wrote (in article<0001HW.2DA093F100430FAE7000070DE38F@news.supernews.com>): > On Apr 3, 2025, Alan wrote > (in article <vsmtpv$1kssr$5@dont-email.me>): > > > On 2025-04-02 16:38, Marion wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. > > > > > > > > > > > > The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and > > > > > > CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free > > > > > > software to > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. > > > > > > > > Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple > > > > devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, > > > > Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus > > > > the various Apple operating systems themselves. > > > > > > There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. > > > > > > What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. > > > That's bad. > > Hmm. Looks at nice shiny new iPhone 16, currently downloading all the stuff > which was on the iPhone 11 which I had before updating to a 16. All of it. > Looks at the old iPhone 11, sitting next to the 16. Is all my stuff still > there? Why yes it is. I’m going to have to erase the 11 before sending it > off to AT&T to get the refund to apply to the price of the 16. Until then, > all my stuff, including all the free Apple stuff, will be on two phones. > Hmm... now where is that... ah, there it is. My ancient iPhone 6, which had > been too old to trade in on the 11. Let me plug it in and power it up... why > there is all my stuff as it was before I got the 11. As the 6 no longer has a > SIM, it can’t make calls... if it’s not on a network with a device with > the same AppleID. Which it is. It can use my old stuff. It can be upgraded to > the limits of the hardware. It can make calls. Why. all my old free Apple > stuff is in _three_ places. Damn, that’s good for something which can’t > be re-used... > > Oh. Wait. I have an iPad. Did the stuff from the iPhone show on the iPad? Why > yes it did. That’s _four_ places, all of which can be used, two of which > can run all of the latest and greatest versions, one more of which can run > most of the latest and greatest until I reformat it to send it to AT&T. And > if I didn’t want AT&T’s bounty I’d be able to use the 11, just as I can > still use the 6. Note that ’same network as a device with the same > AppleID’ includes Macs and, to a limited extent, iCloud-equipped WinBoxen. > I can use the 6 as a phone. Still. Even if I don’t have the 16, the 11, or > the iPad. I can use the apps, including the Apple apps, on it... > > And I can use iCloud web apps on the WinBoxen, including Find My, Maps, > iWork, more... Damn. That’s _seven_ places, one made by ASUS, one. by > Lenovo, one by MSI, not Apple! Damn! is there no limit to Apple’s perfidy? > Forcing users to be able to use free Apple stuff ANYWHERE THEY BLOODY WANT > TO? The horror. The horror. > > > > It would be... > > > > ...if it were true... > > > > ...but it's false. > > Alden’s an idiot. that should be ‘Arlen’, damn it.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsptq6$s2r$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81275 |
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 18:25:53 -0400, WolfFan wrote : >>> There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. >>> >>> What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. >>> That's bad. > > Hmm. Looks at nice shiny new iPhone 16, currently downloading all the stuff > which was on the iPhone 11 which I had before updating to a 16. All of it. > Looks at the old iPhone 11, sitting next to the 16. Is all my stuff still > there? Why yes it is. The problem with you Apple trolls is you have no idea how things work in the real world. You live in a restrictive cave that Apple created for you. On every other platform but iOS, you can take that installer (in your case, the IPA file) and install it on *billions* of other similar devices. Yes. Billions. The point being the installer isn't locked solely to you. Only Apple locks free installers so that you *must* download them again. Nobody else does that. Just Apple. And that's bad. Apple's ecosystem locks you under the surface of the earth as if in a cave. > I'm going to have to erase the 11 before sending it > off to AT&T to get the refund to apply to the price of the 16. Thank you for bringing up that only Apple owners are so desperate to recoup some of the immense money they paid that they pine for trade-in assistance. Apple owners are mainly the only people who pay twice as much for the phone, then line up at the store to ditch that phone at the first chance. Then, they get half as much back for the original phone, just to pay twice as much for the phone that they lined up outside the store to get. They *hate* their phones so much that they can't wait to ditch them. And that's bad. The entire Apple ecosystem is like living in an underground cavern. > Until then, > all my stuff, including all the free Apple stuff, will be on two phones. > Hmm... now where is that... ah, there it is. My ancient iPhone 6, which had > been too old to trade in on the 11. Let me plug it in and power it up... why > there is all my stuff as it was before I got the 11. As the 6 no longer has a > SIM, it can't make calls... if it's not on a network with a device with > the same AppleID. Which it is. It can use my old stuff. It can be upgraded to > the limits of the hardware. It can make calls. Why. all my old free Apple > stuff is in _three_ places. Damn, that's good for something which can't > be re-used... Now install on that iPhone 11 all the software that is on that iPhone 6 that is no longer on the Apple App Store. C'mon. Do it. Do it now. Oh wait. You can't. Every other operating system allows re-use (as long as the hardware is compatible) but only Apple prevents you from re-using your apps. You've been in a cave the moment you bought into the Apple ecosystem. > Oh. Wait. I have an iPad. Did the stuff from the iPhone show on the iPad? Why > yes it did. That's _four_ places, all of which can be used, two of which > can run all of the latest and greatest versions, one more of which can run > most of the latest and greatest until I reformat it to send it to AT&T. And > if I didn't want AT&T's bounty I'd be able to use the 11, just as I can > still use the 6. Note that 'same network as a device with the same > AppleID' includes Macs and, to a limited extent, iCloud-equipped WinBoxen. > I can use the 6 as a phone. Still. Even if I don't have the 16, the 11, or > the iPad. I can use the apps, including the Apple apps, on it... You have a lot of software on that iPad, right? So now your next-door neighbor and your best friend and *billions* of others want those IPAs. How do you get those IPAs to those people so they can re-use your apps? You can't. On *every* other operating system, you can. You are suffocated by Apple. Apple has you living in a cave that has no air vents to the outside world. > And I can use iCloud web apps on the WinBoxen, including Find My, Maps, > iWork, more... Damn. That's _seven_ places, one made by ASUS, one. by > Lenovo, one by MSI, not Apple! Damn! is there no limit to Apple's perfidy? > Forcing users to be able to use free Apple stuff ANYWHERE THEY BLOODY WANT > TO? The horror. The horror. I realize you live in a cave made by Apple, suffocated by the fact that Apple locks each and every IPA to your AppleID and only to your AppleID. I realize Apple tracks you since you can't leave that cave, forever. But what you need to realize is that everyone else in the world except Apple owners has full & complete re-use of free software app installers. Good for the rest of the world; bad for Apple owners. Unfortunately, when it comes to app re-use, Apple owners live in a cave.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m5iefsF3harU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81254 |
Alan, 2025-04-03 23:15: > On 2025-04-02 16:38, Marion wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : >> >> >>>>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>>>> >>>>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>>>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>>>> you? >>>> >>>> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. >>> >>> Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple >>> devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, >>> Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus >>> the various Apple operating systems themselves. >> >> There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. >> >> What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. >> That's bad. > > It would be... > > ...if it were true... > > ...but it's false. There is a difference between software which is "for free" and software which is "free". "Free software" is usually open source and you can use the source code for your own versions with any modifications you want to apply to it. Is the source code of iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine open and available? Or are these programs just "for free" aka "gratis"? -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt1cru$2kp3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81298 |
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 18:57:32 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : > "Free software" is usually open source and you can use the source code > for your own versions with any modifications you want to apply to it. Hi Arno, I use iOS and Windows and Android concurrently, all day, every day. Most people do not (and I used to use Linux all day, every day too). So I know what's UNIQUE about iOS when it comes to Apple IPA locks. You're apparently responding to Alan Baker, who, besides being an Apple troll (i.e., one who brazenly denies everything he hates about Apple products), has never in his life ever used Windows, Linux or Android. Hence, he thinks "re-use" is about "free & open source", where even if an app is free & open source, if Apple distributes it, they have control. Apple can even revoke your use of that "free & open source" app, if they want to, since Apple controls every action you perform with that app. Hence, the point about "re-use" I'm making has nothing to do with the type of software since *every* IPA on an iOS device is locked to 1 AppleID (note there are family-plans too, but that's essentially the same thing). Most people have no idea how restrictive the Apple subterranean cave ecosystem is; they're unaware that you can not re-use that IPA on another device which has a *different* Apple ID, even if it's free & open source. No other common consumer operating system restricts free app re-use. Only Apple. And that's bad. Read on only if you're technically inclined to know what's going on. When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a provisioning profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer account and a set of authorized devices. For apps downloaded from the App Store, this process is managed by Apple and linked to your Apple ID. All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open source" suffer this process, since every single app ever downloaded from Apple's App Store restricts their usage to the Apple ID that originally downloaded them. While you can "sideload" apps on iOS (using Developer Certificates), that process is not typically performed by the common user but it too is restricted, but usually to a number of installations & not to an Apple ID. The Mac also ties a "free & open source" Apple App Store app to your Apple ID, but the Mac allows re-use on another Mac of a different Apple ID; but not really since updates can't happen on apps which are copied from one Mac to another. However, to its credit, the Mac can download an app from the developer's web site, and that app is not tied to the Apple ID by Apple. So in that respect, the Mac is more like every other operating system. The question now arises as to *why* Apple adds your unique Apple ID to every app installed from the Apple App Store, even those which you'd otherwise consider to be "free & open source". Note that Apple can track not only your usage of that app, but meta data inherent in that usage.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <d41eclxa6l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81300 |
On 2025-04-07 22:34, Marion wrote: > On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 18:57:32 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : > > >> "Free software" is usually open source and you can use the source code >> for your own versions with any modifications you want to apply to it. > > Hi Arno, > > I use iOS and Windows and Android concurrently, all day, every day. > Most people do not (and I used to use Linux all day, every day too). > > So I know what's UNIQUE about iOS when it comes to Apple IPA locks. > > You're apparently responding to Alan Baker, who, besides being an Apple > troll (i.e., one who brazenly denies everything he hates about Apple > products), has never in his life ever used Windows, Linux or Android. No, we are talking to you. ... > No other common consumer operating system restricts free app re-use. > Only Apple. Arlen, that defines that software as "non Free", period. Don't beat around the bush. Meaning, don't write long explanations. That is not Free software. It may be gratis, but it is not Free. Uppercase. ... -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt1p1i$jlq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81301 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 00:45:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >> No other common consumer operating system restricts free app re-use. >> Only Apple. > > that defines that software as "non Free", period. Don't beat > around the bush. Meaning, don't write long explanations. That is not > Free software. It may be gratis, but it is not Free. Uppercase. There is free open source software which does not cost money but when distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. Only Apple. Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <om7eclxga6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81302 |
On 2025-04-08 02:01, Marion wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 00:45:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >>> No other common consumer operating system restricts free app re-use. >>> Only Apple. >> >> that defines that software as "non Free", period. Don't beat >> around the bush. Meaning, don't write long explanations. That is not >> Free software. It may be gratis, but it is not Free. Uppercase. > > There is free open source software which does not cost money but when > distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. > > No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. > Only Apple. AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. You claim to be clever. Be it. > > Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it. I don't care who does it. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt2efn$uio$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81303 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. >> >> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. >> Only Apple. > > AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. > > Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. You > claim to be clever. Be it. > >> >> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it. > > I don't care who does it. The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that no other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here. That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every type. No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple does. That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. And that's what's bad.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt2pnd$1u8qo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81306 |
On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > >>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. >>> >>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. >>> Only Apple. >> >> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. >> >> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. You >> claim to be clever. Be it. >> >>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it. >> >> I don't care who does it. > > The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that no > other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here. > > That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every type. > No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple does. > > That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. > > That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. > And that's what's bad. > Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? -- Daniel70
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt2tip$30va$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81308 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 19:19:39 +1000, Daniel70 wrote : > Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? > > Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple > locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not > locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. > > Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? Assuming compatible hardware & operating system APIs... it's a fact that... 1. On Windows, Linux, Android & to some extent macOS, if you download any installer (from anywhere), that installer can (almost always) be re-used on any other similar machine (assuming compatible hardware). 2. On iOS, it can't. The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on devices with that specific unique Apple ID. In summary, all common platforms allow re-use of installers... except iOS.
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| From | Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt2tor$2dqm$1@neodome.net> |
| In reply to | #81310 |
On 8/4/2025, Marion wrote: > The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded > software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on > devices with that specific unique Apple ID. What happens if you subsequently remove the Apple ID from the iOS device?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <6lcfclx76k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81311 |
On 2025-04-08 12:28, Frankie wrote: > On 8/4/2025, Marion wrote: > >> The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded >> software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on >> devices with that specific unique Apple ID. > > What happens if you subsequently remove the Apple ID from the iOS device? Arlen, you are talking to yourself. This is very bad manners. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt3o85$333$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81312 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 13:07:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > This is very bad manners. Speaking of bad manners, the point of this offshoot is about good & bad. 1. Only iOS *locks* every installer to a specific unique ID. 2. This is bad for two reasons, one of which is it prevents reuse. 3. The other reason it's bad is Apple uniquely is tracking app metadata. Apple (yet again) brazenly lied about being more private than Android. Apple gets away with these lies because their customer is rather ignorant. Even so, the average Android user likely doesn't know these basic facts. A. Only Android *always* auto-saves the original installer on the device. B. Which is good (because it allows re-use on billions of other devices). In summary, only Android saves the original installer on the device. And that's good. And only iOS locks every app installer to a unique specific user. And that's bad.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m5n0vuFr38jU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81316 |
Marion, 2025-04-08 20:00: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 13:07:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >> This is very bad manners. > > Speaking of bad manners, the point of this offshoot is about good & bad. > > 1. Only iOS *locks* every installer to a specific unique ID. > 2. This is bad for two reasons, one of which is it prevents reuse. Which is irrelevant for most cases, since installer files can not just be copied from one iPhone to another anyway. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt6jqs$o5c$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81328 |
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:37:51 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : >>> This is very bad manners. >> >> Speaking of bad manners, the point of this offshoot is about good & bad. >> >> 1. Only iOS *locks* every installer to a specific unique ID. >> 2. This is bad for two reasons, one of which is it prevents reuse. > > Which is irrelevant for most cases, since installer files can not just > be copied from one iPhone to another anyway. The main point is that only Apple locks every IPA to a specific user. And that's bad. However... since these are technical ngs, it's important to note that, if you're knowledgeable, you can sideload a physical .ipa file onto an iOS device using specialized tools such as Xcode, AltStore, Sideloadly, etc. <https://www.macobserver.com/ios/install-apps-outside-app-store/> But it's not something that the average iOS user can easily accomplish. <https://www.macobserver.com/tips/how-to/how-sideload-apps-ios/>
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m5ruqpFkoidU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81333 |
Marion, 2025-04-09 22:03: > On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:37:51 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : > > >>>> This is very bad manners. >>> >>> Speaking of bad manners, the point of this offshoot is about good & bad. >>> >>> 1. Only iOS *locks* every installer to a specific unique ID. >>> 2. This is bad for two reasons, one of which is it prevents reuse. >> >> Which is irrelevant for most cases, since installer files can not just >> be copied from one iPhone to another anyway. > > The main point is that only Apple locks every IPA to a specific user. > And that's bad. Which does not change, that you can not copy installer files from one iOS device to another anyway. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vtalhe$2k9e$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81345 |
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 09:31:39 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : >> The main point is that only Apple locks every IPA to a specific user. >> And that's bad. > > Which does not change, that you can not copy installer files from one > iOS device to another anyway. You are correct. Thank you for clarifying your position based on logic. Since I'm always logical and sensibly reasonable, I agree with your assessment that it doesn't really matter (for purposes of re-use) that Apple locks every installer file uniquely to your Apple ID - but the reason it doesn't matter is ironic - because the reason is that Apple *already* made re-use impossible (with or without the insertion of your unique ID!). So we would likely agree that Apple made it *doubly impossible* for reuse. 1. Apple inserts a non-reusable ID into every installer 2. At the same time that Apple disallows backup of every installer 3. Hence, free app installer re-use is *doubly impossible*! But it is what Apple uses to track you which no other operating system can do (because no other system inserts your unique tracker into every app). Both of which are bad. -- The best way to visualize Apple's locked ecosystem is to think of it as a subterranean cavern with passageways to itself but few to the real world.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m5n0sdFr38jU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81310 |
Marion, 2025-04-08 12:25: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 19:19:39 +1000, Daniel70 wrote : > > >> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? >> >> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple >> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not >> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. >> >> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? > > Assuming compatible hardware & operating system APIs... it's a fact that... > > 1. On Windows, Linux, Android & to some extent macOS, if you download > any installer (from anywhere), that installer can (almost always) > be re-used on any other similar machine (assuming compatible hardware). > > 2. On iOS, it can't. Which is irrelevant, since you do not copy the installer itself to another device as you can do in Linux or Windows. The usual way would be to use the App Store again to download and install the app again if needed. Even in Android it is not the usual way to copy APK files from one device to another if you change your device. Yes, technicall it *may* be possible - but only if the app was not distributed as AAB (Android application bundle) with device specific parts which may not even work on the other device due to different CPU architecture. But Google Play only provides the device specific APK not the AAB which was used by the publisher to upload the app in the first place. > The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded > software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on > devices with that specific unique Apple ID. Yes - so what? Nobody will or can even copy installer files from one iPhone or iPad to another to get them re-used with a different Apple ID. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vt6m5h$1gcn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81327 |
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:35:58 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : >> The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded >> software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on >> devices with that specific unique Apple ID. > > Yes - so what? Nobody will or can even copy installer files from one > iPhone or iPad to another to get them re-used with a different Apple ID. What we're all trying to do is learn how the various systems work. The original question was what was *different* & whether it was good or bad, where what's different with iOS is Apple locks every installer to you. Apple thinks that's good because it prevents Apple owners from ever leaving the subterranean passageways that are often referred to as the "ecosystem". I think it's bad for that very same reason. Just one example of where it's bad compared to other operating systems is the common situation of the last known good version of any given app. If you happen to have installed on your Android the last known good version of any given app, you can re-install that app on *billions* of Androids. The point not being the sheer number but the fact it's unrestricted re-use. However... that same scenario won't work for iOS owners. And that's bad. Even an iTunes "backup" of that last known good version of an app does not contain a re-usable IPA to that last known good version of that iOS app. The app backup only contains garbage such as meta data & app data. But the app backup (even with iTunes) does NOT contain the full ipa file. The Apple user is always fucked by Apple. Every other operating system allows the user to re-install the last known good version after a factory reset (or crash, or whatever)... except Apple. And that's bad.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m5rv44FkoidU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81334 |
Marion, 2025-04-09 22:43: > On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:35:58 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : > > >>> The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded >>> software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on >>> devices with that specific unique Apple ID. >> >> Yes - so what? Nobody will or can even copy installer files from one >> iPhone or iPad to another to get them re-used with a different Apple ID. > > What we're all trying to do is learn how the various systems work. > > The original question was what was *different* & whether it was good or > bad, where what's different with iOS is Apple locks every installer to you. Yes - and? If you can not copy installer files anyway, what's the matter then if they get bound to a specific AppleID? > If you happen to have installed on your Android the last known good version > of any given app, you can re-install that app on *billions* of Androids. Yes, *if* you have the APK files. Google Play itself does not provide the option to install older versions - you can only download the latest version of an app which available for your device. And if your device is too old some apps may even not be available any longer, because the publishers decided not to support older Android versions etc. > The point not being the sheer number but the fact it's unrestricted re-use. > However... that same scenario won't work for iOS owners. And that's bad. For iOS owners many other things don't work the same way. If you don't like that, just don't use it. Problem solved. > Even an iTunes "backup" of that last known good version of an app does not > contain a re-usable IPA to that last known good version of that iOS app. Yes, the same as in Android. Android backups do not backup everything and apps installer files will not be backed up at all, just the list which app should be installed. > The app backup only contains garbage such as meta data & app data. > But the app backup (even with iTunes) does NOT contain the full ipa file. The same applies to Android. > The Apple user is always fucked by Apple. > > Every other operating system allows the user to re-install the last known > good version after a factory reset (or crash, or whatever)... except Apple. Nope. Android does not allow to do this either if you do not manually extract APK files. And even then you can not be sure of the APK file works on another device because the publisher uses AAB for publishing. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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