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| Started by | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| First post | 2025-03-21 05:55 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000 |
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Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-21 05:55 +0000
A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-03-24 19:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-25 08:33 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Tango Romeo <TangoRomero@snope.com> - 2025-03-25 20:09 -0600
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-28 19:50 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 15:13 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-28 18:04 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 17:33 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 19:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:09 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-13 13:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 16:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 15:48 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 22:01 +0200
Android full backup. (was: A good thing or a bad thing) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 13:18 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:22 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:31 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:24 -0400
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-16 05:24 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-18 17:36 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-18 10:49 -0700
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-25 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-16 20:53 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 08:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:10 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 14:41 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:54 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 01:15 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 23:45 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 08:26 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 09:01 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 19:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 21:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 23:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000
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| From | Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsf5lc$1f7ni$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81227 |
On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 19:42:58 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote: >> Your entire argument is first dead wrong & second overly pessimistic. > > No, it is based on nearly 20 years of experience with that. Do you want > all my dead microSD cards? I can give you many examples of cards which > died over the years. I didn't mean to offend you. I was just explaining that there are two possible common uses of sdcards on Android devices, one of which is to extend the memory but almost nobody bothers doing that nowadays. The second usage is what everyone who puts a card in their phone does. It is instant "extra storage" which is cheap and reliable. You can say you have "many examples" of cards that failed just as the rest of us (including me) have "many examples" of cards that did not fail on us. I've never had a card fail. Does that mean anything? Not much. It just means that putting the card inside the phone works wonders for me. If I wanted to, it's easy to back up as almost all PCs have sd drives. If putting the card inside your phone isn't working for you, then maybe your phone is a Pixel? If so, that's your fault for buying Google phones. Both Apple & Google don't want you to have inexpensive reliable storage. Can you guess why?
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| From | Peter <confused@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsisfl$1cfuj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81233 |
Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> wrote: > Both Apple & Google don't want you to have inexpensive reliable storage. > Can you guess why? ooooh ooooh oooh (raises hand and flags down the professor)... Let me guess. Apple gives you 5GB of "free" cloud storage for your 256GB device, which means you have to multiply that 5GB by about 50 times to store your stuff. If you want to expand your storage about 200GB, both Apple & Google will charge you the same low low incredibly low (act fast!) monthly fee of only a mere pittance of $2.99 per month, which is about $36 for a year (which, incidentally, is about how much any similar sized sd card would have cost). But then you need that storage for ten years (or whatever), so now that one-time NRE of ~$36 would have saved you ~$360 dollars paying for storage. Since both Apple & Google benefit to the tune of a few hundred dollars per each person who owns their devices has to pay them, it makes sense why they don't spend the couple of bucks it would cost for them to put an sdslot in.
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| From | Peter <confused@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsjr1p$2bu7g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81237 |
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: >>I pay Google 2 bucks/mo US for 1GB. > > Typo. Should be 100GB > >> Not a big $$$ deal for me. YMMV. I use >> it for off site backup (like if the house burns down) and it is also >> conveniently available to any of my devices pretty much anywhere if wanted >> or needed. A card just wouldn't provide the same service or use, although I >> do keep one locally in case Google burns down. My only problem with that thought process is that it's a justification for NOT having something. It's like a guy with only one leg justifying why he's hopping all the time. Phones with the sdcard slot can hop just like you do. The point was that Apple & Google don't put the sd card slot in phones for a reason, which is NOT that they want to give you the best phone possible. They want to cut off your leg so that you buy their prosthetic device.
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| From | Peter <confused@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vskhk2$334o6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81239 |
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: >>The point was that Apple & Google don't put the sd card slot in phones for >>a reason, which is NOT that they want to give you the best phone possible. > > Guess you missed my point (and fact). Unlike Apple iOS devices the vast vast > majority of Android phones (and tablets etc) that run Google accounts and > apps are NOT made by Google and thus Google has no say over whether the > device has a slot or not. That is the *individual manufacturers* choice... Thanks for the clarification which I agree with you I had missed the point. There are 1,936 Android models (2020 to present), with a standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2020&sAvailabilities=1,2&idCardslot=1 There are 986 Android models (2020 to present), without a standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1 Out of 2,922 recent Androids in use today, 1/3rd have a standard slot. The biggest Android seller is Samsung, which outsold the iPhone every quarter for the past few years (except for a single quarter last year). So let's look at Samsung phones for the percentage that have the sdslot. There are 134 Samsung models with that industry standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1 Compared to 44 Samsung models without the industry standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=3 Out of 178 recent Samsung models still in use today, 75% have the sd slot. We know Apple's strategy is to fleece the customer so it's zero percent. But what about Google whose strategy is also to fleece the customer? Just as with Apple, there are 0 Google phones with the standard sd slot. https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2020&sMakers=107&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1 So my statements remain backed up that Google & Apple don't provide what over three quarters of Samsung phones provide, and Samsung is clearly the best seller on the market bar none (Apple iPhones don't even come close). I wonder if people buy Samsungs because they don't have the strategy of fleecing them by removing hardware so that the consumer has to buy it back?
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| From | Peter <confused@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsl7ve$3u4ki$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81241 |
AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote: >>So my statements remain backed up that Google & Apple don't provide what >>over three quarters of Samsung phones provide, and Samsung is clearly the >>best seller on the market bar none (Apple iPhones don't even come close). > > I guess it's how one reads your original statement. When one compares Apple > and Google phones I think most folks think Android phones with Google > installed. But you are correct if you mean only Google Pixel phones. I > guess what threw me off is that would leave out the majority of the > non-Apple market, many with no slots. Shouldn't they have required some of > your wrath too? I'm glad you clarified and I apologize for not fully understanding you. I think we're both communicating well now, given how conversations go. When you said 'Google', I didn't realize you had maybe meant 'Android'. When I think of a "Google phone", I think of the Pixel model only. But you were apparently thinking of Google's Android OS - which is fine. The beauty of Android is if you *want* the sdcard slot, you can get it. Most Android's sold are Samsung & 75% of the Samsung models have the slot. Maybe that's why most Android's sold are Samsungs in the first place. :) >>I wonder if people buy Samsungs because they don't have the strategy of >>fleecing them by removing hardware so that the consumer has to buy it back? > > I bought my Samsung phone over 5 years ago and I can't remember what my > reasons were for buying it over other brands. But I can tell you it is > still a virgin. I've never had any need to stick anything in it's slot... If you don't need the memory, the slot doesn't help or hurt you. But if you need the memory, NOT having the slot hurts you a lot. Fundamentally, everything else being equal, a phone without the slot is clearly a substandard phone to one that has the slot. That's pure logic. I'm use to people making the argument that a worse phone is better. But they don't know anything about basic logic since that makes no sense. A phone with the slot, everything else being equal, can not only do EVERYTHING that the phone without the slot can do, but it can do more. And what it can do no phone on the planet without a slot can hope to do. That's worth a lot when you need it; and it's worth nothing if you don't.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsekid$pllt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81222 |
On 2025-03-31 00:16, Bill Powell wrote: > On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:04:13 -0700, Alan wrote: > >>> What's unique to Android that no other operating system does, is Android >>> saves every installer automatically. The installer is always there. >>> >>> And that's good. >> >> Unless you need the space... > > With many Android phones you can double the storage space in an instant. But far from all. And I bet there are a lot of users who don't realize they can do that. > > Here's a 128GB high quality SanDisk 200MB/s sdcard for twenty bucks. > https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-128GB-Extreme-UHS-I-Memory/dp/B09X7FXHVJ/ > > If that is too small, here's a fast 512GB card for thirty-five bucks. > https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-microSDXC-Nintendo-Switch-MB-ME512SA-AM/ > dp/B0CWPPMD8W/ > > How much does it cost to double storage space on a typical iPhone?
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| From | Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsf76g$1gr5d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81229 |
Alan wrote: > On 2025-03-31 00:16, Bill Powell wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:04:13 -0700, Alan wrote: >> >>>> What's unique to Android that no other operating system does, is >>>> Android >>>> saves every installer automatically. The installer is always there. >>>> >>>> And that's good. >>> >>> Unless you need the space... >> >> With many Android phones you can double the storage space in an instant. > > But far from all. > > And I bet there are a lot of users who don't realize they can do that. Nope, they would get bombarded by sales adds the same as if it was an apple phone. Wake up, we live in a society similar to the star trek Ferengi culture. Every seller tries to maximize profits. Doesn't matter if it's apple or any other ferengi with some shit to sell. Even if their shit is not as good as apple's shit.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsf30j$1c80h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81222 |
On 2025-03-31 07:16:34 +0000, Bill Powell said: > On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 17:04:13 -0700, Alan wrote: >>> >>> What's unique to Android that no other operating system does, is Android >>> saves every installer automatically. The installer is always there. >>> >>> And that's good. >> >> Unless you need the space... > > With many Android phones you can double the storage space in an instant. > > Here's a 128GB high quality SanDisk 200MB/s sdcard for twenty bucks. > https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-128GB-Extreme-UHS-I-Memory/dp/B09X7FXHVJ/ > > If that is too small, here's a fast 512GB card for thirty-five bucks. > https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-microSDXC-Nintendo-Switch-MB-ME512SA-AM/dp/B0CWPPMD8W/ > > > How much does it cost to double storage space on a typical iPhone? Very little since you can easily use any external drive, including relatively dirt cheap, high capacity hard drives. At worst, you'll need to add an adaptor to the price. But of course, as the usual anti-Apple know-nothing troll, you don't realise that actual fact nor the fact that most people simply don't give a crap about increasing their device's storage capacity, whether that is Apple or Android.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsf516$llh$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81230 |
On Tue, 1 Apr 2025 10:55:31 +1300, Your Name wrote : >> How much does it cost to double storage space on a typical iPhone? > > Very little since you can easily use any external drive, including > relatively dirt cheap, high capacity hard drives. At worst, you'll need > to add an adaptor to the price. > > But of course, as the usual anti-Apple know-nothing troll, you don't > realise that actual fact nor the fact that most people simply don't > give a crap about increasing their device's storage capacity, whether > that is Apple or Android. In the words of nospam, anything Apple can't do, even the most basic of features, is "not needed" and "not wanted" (such as more storage). Yet, given the only way you can add "more storage" to that portable device is you have to bolt on huge heavy cumbersome devices, it must be wanted. Why else would an iPhone owner use your Apple clusterfuck suggestion of carrying around a high-capacity drive in their pocket with their phone? To do that, iPhone users must be *desperate* for that extra storage, right?
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m4v3qsFhthU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81215 |
Marion, 2025-03-29 18:41: [...] > We're talking about free app installers that the user downloads & installs. > > We're talking about what's *different* about Android from other operating > systems, such as that installer APK is always sitting on the file system. > > That's unique to Android. > And that's a good thing. > > Because that free installer can be re-used at will. Just keep in mind, that newer are not published using APK any longer but using AAB (Android Application Bundle). This means, the device only gets an APK generated by Google with files required for that specific device configuration. This *may* work on other devices as well if they are similar enough - but you also may have to download the app again on the other device, for example when the app uses native code which needs to be specific for the CPU architecture of the device. Also see: <https://developer.android.com/guide/app-bundle> -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vseegt$1q6l$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81223 |
On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 10:59:08 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : >> We're talking about free app installers that the user downloads & installs. >> >> We're talking about what's *different* about Android from other operating >> systems, such as that installer APK is always sitting on the file system. >>> That's unique to Android. >> And that's a good thing. >> >> Because that free installer can be re-used at will. > > Just keep in mind, that newer are not published using APK any longer but > using AAB (Android Application Bundle). This means, the device only gets > an APK generated by Google with files required for that specific device > configuration. This *may* work on other devices as well if they are > similar enough - but you also may have to download the app again on the > other device, for example when the app uses native code which needs to > be specific for the CPU architecture of the device. > > Also see: <https://developer.android.com/guide/app-bundle> Yup. The Android newsgroup discussed AAB's before that change happened. *Google is moving away from APKs on the Play Store* *for new apps as AABs starting in August 2021* (June 30, 2021) <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/yVBkScCyI_I/> Has anything changed since June 30, 2021 on those details? Specifically, now that we're four years later into AABs, what has changed? For me, I haven't noticed anything detrimental. Have you?
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <m502lgF5hdmU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #81226 |
Marion, 2025-03-31 18:05: [...] > Yup. The Android newsgroup discussed AAB's before that change happened. > > *Google is moving away from APKs on the Play Store* > *for new apps as AABs starting in August 2021* (June 30, 2021) > <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/yVBkScCyI_I/> > > Has anything changed since June 30, 2021 on those details? > Specifically, now that we're four years later into AABs, what has changed? > > For me, I haven't noticed anything detrimental. Have you? So you don't wish to have this mentioned this, just because years ago this was already discussed? -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsf56f$oa7$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81228 |
On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 19:45:19 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : >> For me, I haven't noticed anything detrimental. Have you? > > So you don't wish to have this mentioned this, just because years ago > this was already discussed? I'm backing you up. I'm agreeing with you. I'm not disagreeing at all. In fact, I asked for more information from you, so of course I love that it's mentioned, where I haven't noticed anything detrimental since then. Have you?
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsi6ap$intt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81213 |
On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:33:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as “providing” Free software to you?
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <wwvzfgzouqb.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #81235 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:33:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. > > The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM > and CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as “providing” Free > software to you? They do provide a large body of free software, both to their users in a macOS install or to anyone who cares to download it: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macOS -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <6rhvblxb0d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #81235 |
On 2025-04-02 04:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:33:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. > > The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and > CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as “providing” Free software to > you? Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsk71d$2od8n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81238 |
On 2025-04-02 10:58:14 +0000, Carlos E.R. said: > On 2025-04-02 04:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:33:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >> >> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as “providing” Free software to >> you? > > Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus the various Apple operating systems themselves.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vskhqb$gmn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #81240 |
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : >>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>> >>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>> you? >> >> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. > > Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple > devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, > Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus > the various Apple operating systems themselves. There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. That's bad. What's common about all other operating systems is that you can. That's good.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <vsmtpv$1kssr$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #81242 |
On 2025-04-02 16:38, Marion wrote: > On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : > > >>>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>>> >>>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>>> you? >>> >>> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. >> >> Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple >> devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, >> Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus >> the various Apple operating systems themselves. > > There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. > > What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. > That's bad. It would be... ...if it were true... ...but it's false.
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| From | WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.2DA093F100430FAE7000070DE38F@news.supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #81254 |
On Apr 3, 2025, Alan wrote (in article <vsmtpv$1kssr$5@dont-email.me>): > On 2025-04-02 16:38, Marion wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : > > > > > > > > > > But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. > > > > > > > > > > The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and > > > > > CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free > > > > > software to > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. > > > > > > Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple > > > devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, > > > Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus > > > the various Apple operating systems themselves. > > > > There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. > > > > What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. > > That's bad. Hmm. Looks at nice shiny new iPhone 16, currently downloading all the stuff which was on the iPhone 11 which I had before updating to a 16. All of it. Looks at the old iPhone 11, sitting next to the 16. Is all my stuff still there? Why yes it is. I’m going to have to erase the 11 before sending it off to AT&T to get the refund to apply to the price of the 16. Until then, all my stuff, including all the free Apple stuff, will be on two phones. Hmm... now where is that... ah, there it is. My ancient iPhone 6, which had been too old to trade in on the 11. Let me plug it in and power it up... why there is all my stuff as it was before I got the 11. As the 6 no longer has a SIM, it can’t make calls... if it’s not on a network with a device with the same AppleID. Which it is. It can use my old stuff. It can be upgraded to the limits of the hardware. It can make calls. Why. all my old free Apple stuff is in _three_ places. Damn, that’s good for something which can’t be re-used... Oh. Wait. I have an iPad. Did the stuff from the iPhone show on the iPad? Why yes it did. That’s _four_ places, all of which can be used, two of which can run all of the latest and greatest versions, one more of which can run most of the latest and greatest until I reformat it to send it to AT&T. And if I didn’t want AT&T’s bounty I’d be able to use the 11, just as I can still use the 6. Note that ’same network as a device with the same AppleID’ includes Macs and, to a limited extent, iCloud-equipped WinBoxen. I can use the 6 as a phone. Still. Even if I don’t have the 16, the 11, or the iPad. I can use the apps, including the Apple apps, on it... And I can use iCloud web apps on the WinBoxen, including Find My, Maps, iWork, more... Damn. That’s _seven_ places, one made by ASUS, one. by Lenovo, one by MSI, not Apple! Damn! is there no limit to Apple’s perfidy? Forcing users to be able to use free Apple stuff ANYWHERE THEY BLOODY WANT TO? The horror. The horror. > > It would be... > > ...if it were true... > > ...but it's false. Alden’s an idiot.
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