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Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC

Started byMarion <marion@facts.com>
First post2025-03-21 05:55 +0000
Last post2025-04-05 22:57 +0000
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  Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-21 05:55 +0000
    A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-03-24 19:15 +0000
      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-24 21:09 +0000
        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 22:55 +0000
          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-25 08:33 +0000
            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Tango Romeo <TangoRomero@snope.com> - 2025-03-25 20:09 -0600
              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-28 19:50 +0000
                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 15:13 -0700
                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-28 18:04 -0500
                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-28 17:33 -0700
                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000
                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100
                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000
                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500
                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000
                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700
                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200
                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200
                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400
                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400
                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100
                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100
                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100
                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100
                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700
                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500
                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300
                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000
                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200
                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000
                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200
                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000
                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000
                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100
                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200
                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300
                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000
                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700
                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400
                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400
                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000
                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200
                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000
                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200
                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000
                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200
                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000
                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000
                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000
                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000
                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200
                                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000
                                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200
                                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000
                                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200
                                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000
                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200
                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000
                                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200
                                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:29 +0000
                                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:07 +0200
                                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:39 +0000
                                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 19:01 +0000
                                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:09 +0200
                                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:08 +0200
                                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-13 13:57 +0000
                                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 13:18 +0200
                                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 16:58 +0200
                                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 15:48 +0000
                                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 22:01 +0200
                                                                      Android full backup. (was: A good thing or a bad thing) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 13:18 +0000
                                                                        Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:22 +0200
                                                                          Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:27 +0000
                                                                            Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:31 +0200
                                                                              Re: Android full backup. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:24 -0400
                                                                        Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-16 05:24 +0000
                                                                          Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-18 17:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: Android full backup. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-18 10:49 -0700
                                                                            Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-25 00:35 +0000
                                                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-16 20:53 +1000
                                                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 08:28 -0400
                                                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:26 -0700
                                                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:10 +0200
                                                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 14:41 -0700
                                                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:54 -0500
                                                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
                                                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
                                                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
                                                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 01:15 -0400
                                                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 23:45 -0700
                                                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 08:26 -0400
                                                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:08 +0200
                                                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 09:01 -0400
                                                                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200
                                                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700
                                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200
                                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000
                                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700
                                                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500
                                                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
                                                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
                                                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
                                                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
                                                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
                                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
                                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
                                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
                                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
                                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
                                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200
                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000
                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200
                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000
                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200
                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000
                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000
                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200
                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000
                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000
                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000
                                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000
                                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000
                                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000
                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000
                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000
                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200
                                  Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200
                                    Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000
                                      Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500
                                        Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000
                                          Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 13:06 +0200
                                            Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 19:10 +0000
                                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 21:35 +0200
                                                Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 23:15 +0000
                              Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000

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#81384 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing

FromMarion <marion@facts.com>
Date2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing
Message-ID<vtm0ep$1u0v$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#81382
On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:22:45 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote :


> I'm surprised you didn't know this!

EDIT: (There's a plan for backing up data in the 2nd half of this missive.)

It's no longer shocking what Alan Baker will insist can't be, when everyone
but Alan Baker knows it (see a perfect example in my own header above).

Alan Baker has owned a bimmer for years and yet disputed what they're
commonly called in technical circles; and Alan Baker claims to 'teach
racing' and yet clearly has never studied the physics involved in
navigating differently various basic curves.

Alan Baker insists Apple has never done wrong (simply because, to him,
paying a half a billion dollars so that they don't have to admit guilt is
proof that Apple cannot do wrong because Apple has too much money to do
so).

Even the fact that Apple was charged with crimes and that Apple paid the
French prosecutor for those crimes, means, to Alan, that it never happened.

Moving on ... we're here to improve our technical knowledge, where I have
(what I think is) sage advice for how to plan on backing up all your data.

As for the technical aspect of backing up data, I've been doing that for as
many decades as the rest of you have, starting back in the 1960's on
magtape and punched cards (sorry, I never learned how to use punched tape).

It's my opinion, based on experience, that on Linux/Windows, you have to
plan for your data backup the day you set up your system. This is why I
have a directory for data on Windows that exactly mirrors the app dir.
 installers: C:\software\editors\text\gvim\.
 apps: C:\apps\editors\text\gvim\.
 Taskbar menu: menu > editors > text > gvim.lnk
 data:  C:\data\editors\text\gvim\. (e.g., tmp files & settings)

Your plan banks on being able to set the data directory of each program at
the time you install that program. Fat chance getting Adobe products to
respect that plan; but there are programs out there which allow you to set
the data directory (e.g., OSMAnd~ on Android allows you a map directory).

However, executing the strategic plan of backing up data is sort of like
what happens during war the moment there is contact with the enemy.

The enemy gets a vote. 
Hence, no plan survives intact after contact with the enemy.

It's the same with backing up your data.

The only plan that works all the time is to plan how you're going to back
up your system the day you set up that system - and then - you modify that
plan upon contact with each app or program. 

Consider the program installation your first contact with the enemy.
And change the plan accordingly - since the program gets a vote.
-- 
I never use plurals in dirs or files but added it here for readability.

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#81386 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing
Message-ID<vtm1li$3uq49$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81384
On 2025-04-15 09:11, Marion wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:22:45 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote :
> 
> 
>> I'm surprised you didn't know this!
> 
> EDIT: (There's a plan for backing up data in the 2nd half of this missive.)
> 
> It's no longer shocking what Alan Baker will insist can't be, when everyone
> but Alan Baker knows it (see a perfect example in my own header above).
> 
> Alan Baker has owned a bimmer for years and yet disputed what they're
> commonly called in technical circles; and Alan Baker claims to 'teach
> racing' and yet clearly has never studied the physics involved in
> navigating differently various basic curves.

And now you make up a new lie.

Your original lie was that my not happening to know which term was used 
for BMW cars versus their bikes ("Bimmers" vs "Beemers"—I still don't 
care which is used for which) meant I couldn't possibly own one.

> 
> Alan Baker insists Apple has never done wrong (simply because, to him,
> paying a half a billion dollars so that they don't have to admit guilt is
> proof that Apple cannot do wrong because Apple has too much money to do
> so).

Another lie.

> 
> Even the fact that Apple was charged with crimes and that Apple paid the
> French prosecutor for those crimes, means, to Alan, that it never happened.

"Charged"? Yes.

Found guilty of them? No.

> 
> Moving on ... we're here to improve our technical knowledge, where I have
> (what I think is) sage advice for how to plan on backing up all your data.
> 
> As for the technical aspect of backing up data, I've been doing that for as
> many decades as the rest of you have, starting back in the 1960's on
> magtape and punched cards (sorry, I never learned how to use punched tape).
 > > It's my opinion, based on experience, that on Linux/Windows, you 
have to
> plan for your data backup the day you set up your system. This is why I
> have a directory for data on Windows that exactly mirrors the app dir.
>   installers: C:\software\editors\text\gvim\.
>   apps: C:\apps\editors\text\gvim\.
>   Taskbar menu: menu > editors > text > gvim.lnk
>   data:  C:\data\editors\text\gvim\. (e.g., tmp files & settings)
> 
> Your plan banks on being able to set the data directory of each program at
> the time you install that program. Fat chance getting Adobe products to
> respect that plan; but there are programs out there which allow you to set
> the data directory (e.g., OSMAnd~ on Android allows you a map directory).
> 
> However, executing the strategic plan of backing up data is sort of like
> what happens during war the moment there is contact with the enemy.
> 
> The enemy gets a vote.
> Hence, no plan survives intact after contact with the enemy.
> 
> It's the same with backing up your data.
> 
> The only plan that works all the time is to plan how you're going to back
> up your system the day you set up that system - and then - you modify that
> plan upon contact with each app or program.
> 
> Consider the program installation your first contact with the enemy.
> And change the plan accordingly - since the program gets a vote.

My plan is to use appropriate backup software to deal with the entire 
system.

In days past, that was most often an application called "Retrospect" 
which I set up for clients both on individual systems, or using a backup 
server. Now I only use it for my Windows clients.

For those using Macs (including myself), I simply use the excellent 
built-in backup software, "Time Machine".

:-)

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#81387 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing

FromMarion <marion@facts.com>
Date2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing
Message-ID<vtm6g3$ime$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#81384
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 17:26:01 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


>>Actions speak louder than words, little boy. And you always side with
>>Arlen - religiously (you even forgave him for impersonating you lol).
> 
> I will agree with anyone who speaks the truth or makes a rational
> statement, even you on occasion.  But I learned my lesson the last time
> I agreed with you when I realized you were lying.

Hi badgolferman,

Logic. And sense. Equals reason.

Like you, and like any logically sensible adult, I will agree with anyone
who makes a claim that is logically and sensibly sound, and you know that.

I will even openly & willingly apologize publicly if I say something that
turns out to be incorrect - and you know that also.

These Apple trolls? Hmmm.... they never do either.
Their only goal is to defend Apple's honor... to the death. No matter what.

With respect to the technical problem of copying files off of iOS to any
other platform without using the cloud, the Apple trolls claim that iTunes
can do it and that SMB can do it.

And yet, Apple publicly disavows any support whatsoever of Linux.
And Android.

So how do these Apple trolls copy files from iOS to Android?
(HINT: They don't. They lied.)

When the Apple trolls claim to copy from iOS to Android using the Files SMB
capability, they're lying because it's not possible (to my knowledge).

If it is possible to copy from iOS to Android using SMB, let them tell me
how they did it because Frank Slootweg taught me years ago that an unrooted
Android can't set up an SMB server (due to the SMB ports being below 1024).

And how do these Apple trolls use iTunes on Windows safely & securely?
(HINT: They don't. They lied.)

The Apple trolls are banking on us not knowing the facts about iTunes.

It has been *many* years since the iTunes bloatware abomination had the
capability of copying the IPA to the Windows platform (and even then,
iTunes grabbed that IPA from the App Store - not from the iOS device!)

So the only way they're doing it, today, is that they're not.
They lied.

Not only does that many years old iTunes bloatware abomination have known
zero-day exploit which Apple has not fixed in those deprecated versions,
but if the Apple trolls were to initiate that backup today using that old
software, it *still* grabs the IPA from the *current* iOS App Store.

So they lied doubly so (since what they claim is impossible to do).
They can NOT get older IPAs. They can only get the *current* IPA.

Not only do these Apple trolls have to use known exploited bloatware to do
that, but that bloatware doesn't work on Android nor on Linux (which Apple
says they will never support).

In summary, I think I make a logically sensible reasonable case against
using iTunes to copy files between iOS and every other platform we use.

The Apple trolls vehemently (actually viciously) disagree. By lying.
(HINT: That's what Apple trolls do.)

Apple trolls think nothing of lying to defend Apple's honor to the death.
-- 
This lack of logic & sense has been what the Apple Trolls have been doing
for decades on any newsgroup which contains any other operating system.

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#81388 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing

FromMarion <marion@facts.com>
Date2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing
Message-ID<vtm7db$2kaj$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#81387
On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 18:50:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote :


>> Then use the far simpler method of connecting to your Windows machine via
>> the Files app. Make sure you have Sharing enabled in Windows first. Simple
>> and new apps required. 
> 
> Thanks, but I use Linux, and I already stated I'm fine with just using
> ifuse and a usb cable. Or KDE Connect.

I will agree with anyone who says something sensible that is logically
defensible, where I agree with candycane that Linux iFuse is the way to go.

What AFC/iFuse allows on Linux is bidirectional iOS transfers over USB!

When I used to dual boot my Windows desktop to Ubuntu, I was initially
shocked at how *easy* it was to attain USB read access to iOS' file system!
 <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Linux, win10 & iOS together
 <https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
 <https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
 <https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks to copy
 <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS is only DCIM & only 1-way 
 <https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is a dumb brick on Windows
 <https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu iFuse is just magical
 <https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
 <https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
 <https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is nothing useful
 <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

That's USB. Not SMB. Not anything else. It's USB file transfers with iOS!

Since all that USB magic was done by iFuse, I desperately searched for a
Windows implementation of iFuse - but alas - it doesn't appear to exist.

That's sad because with tricks using Apple File Conduit (AFC) over USB that
only one in a million people are aware of, you can write to iOS' filesys.

Yes. Write. To much of the iOS filesys. Not just to DCIM! 
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios180.jpg> Read & write all!
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios170.jpg> Anywhere you want
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios160.jpg> Any file you want
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios150.jpg> Copy Win10 to iOS
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios140.jpg> read & write iOS
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios130.jpg> iFuse mounts all!
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios120.jpg> iFuse mounts iOS
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios110.jpg> iFuse Windows mnt
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios100.jpg> iFuse is native 
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios090.jpg> Nobody knows this
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios080.jpg> The trick!
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios070.jpg> Look closely
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios060.jpg> Both read & write
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios050.jpg> Including DCIM
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios040.jpg> View iOS filesys
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios030.jpg> iOS mounts 
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios020.jpg> Allow access?
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios010.jpg> Trust Computer?
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios000.jpg> Ubuntu before iOS

Notice I copied huge feature-length films from Ubuntu to iOS sandboxes!
Alas, iFuse & AFC do not exist (AFAIK) on either Windows and Android.

If anyone knows of an AFC/iFuse implementation on Android/Windows, please
let me know as being able to do USB bidirectional file xfer is fantastic!

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#81389 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing
Message-ID<vtm8c6$57tg$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81387
On 2025-04-15 10:54, Marion wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 17:26:01 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
> 
> 
>>> Actions speak louder than words, little boy. And you always side with
>>> Arlen - religiously (you even forgave him for impersonating you lol).
>>
>> I will agree with anyone who speaks the truth or makes a rational
>> statement, even you on occasion.  But I learned my lesson the last time
>> I agreed with you when I realized you were lying.
> 
> Hi badgolferman,
> 
> Logic. And sense. Equals reason.
> 
> Like you, and like any logically sensible adult, I will agree with anyone
> who makes a claim that is logically and sensibly sound, and you know that.
> 
> I will even openly & willingly apologize publicly if I say something that
> turns out to be incorrect - and you know that also.

You claimed I could own a BMW 135i because I didn't know how "bimmer" 
and "beemer" were used...

...yet you said just today:

"Alan Baker has owned a bimmer for years and yet disputed what they're
commonly called in technical circles; and Alan Baker claims to 'teach
racing' and yet clearly has never studied the physics involved in
navigating differently various basic curves."

And given that I can prove beyond any doubt that I am a member (and past 
chairman) of the Race Drivers Committee of the Sports Car Club of 
British Columbia, and have SHOWN the proof, the last part of that 
sentence is clearly false as well.

'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver 
Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of 
preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite 
to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver 
Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles 
under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers 
Training Program page.

Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The 
committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia. 
Most committee members have won championships in their class while 
others have done consistently well over the years and have proven 
themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.'

<https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>

'SCCBC Race Drivers Committee

Race Drivers Committee Chairman  Alan Baker
Driver Training Registrar        Keith Robinson'

<https://web.archive.org/web/20230209055254/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>

> 
> These Apple trolls? Hmmm.... they never do either.
> Their only goal is to defend Apple's honor... to the death. No matter what.
> 
> With respect to the technical problem of copying files off of iOS to any
> other platform without using the cloud, the Apple trolls claim that iTunes
> can do it and that SMB can do it.
 > > And yet, Apple publicly disavows any support whatsoever of Linux.

Another factual claim without any supporting evidence...

> And Android.
> 
> So how do these Apple trolls copy files from iOS to Android?
> (HINT: They don't. They lied.)

No one I saw claimed that files can be copied from iOS to Android.

> 
> When the Apple trolls claim to copy from iOS to Android using the Files SMB
> capability, they're lying because it's not possible (to my knowledge).

No one I saw claimed that.

The rest of your straw man argument snipped.

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#81391 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing
Message-ID<m681q3Fir6bU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81387
On 2025-04-15, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 17:26:01 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
>
>
>>>Actions speak louder than words, little boy. And you always side with
>>>Arlen - religiously (you even forgave him for impersonating you lol).
>> 
>> I will agree with anyone who speaks the truth or makes a rational
>> statement, even you on occasion.  But I learned my lesson the last
>> time I agreed with you when I realized you were lying.

You *regularly* side with Arlen, who *constantly* lies. So your
judgement there is laughably questionable at best, and a fucking joke at
worst.

But I'll indulge you anyway: Go ahead and point out this supposed "lie"
you claim I made, badgolferman. Absent of that, it's you who are lying.
🙂

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#81313 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<fjcfclx76k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#81308
On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>
>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when
>>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID.
>>>>
>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free.
>>>> Only Apple.
>>>
>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software.
>>>
>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. You
>>> claim to be clever. Be it.
>>>
>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it.
>>>
>>> I don't care who does it.
>>
>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that no
>> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here.
>>
>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every 
>> type.
>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple 
>> does.
>>
>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that.
>>
>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you.
>> And that's what's bad.
>>
> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here??
> 
> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple 
> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not 
> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems.
> 
> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted??

No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any 
Apple.

What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be gratis, 
but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to take the 
source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. With 
variants in the details by the licensing.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#81315 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

FromAlan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Date2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<vt3jmb$2kvf6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81313
On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>>
>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when
>>>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple 
>>>>> ID.
>>>>>
>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free.
>>>>> Only Apple.
>>>>
>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software.
>>>>
>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. 
>>>> You
>>>> claim to be clever. Be it.
>>>>
>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to 
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't care who does it.
>>>
>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that no
>>> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here.
>>>
>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every 
>>> type.
>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple 
>>> does.
>>>
>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that.
>>>
>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you.
>>> And that's what's bad.
>>>
>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here??
>>
>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple 
>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not 
>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems.
>>
>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted??
> 
> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any 
> Apple.
> 
> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be gratis, 
> but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to take the 
> source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. With 
> variants in the details by the licensing.
> 

Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word 
"free" means.

Sorry to burst your bubble on this.

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#81318 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<3qegclxei2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#81315
On 2025-04-08 18:42, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>>>
>>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when
>>>>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific 
>>>>>> Apple ID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free.
>>>>>> Only Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it 
>>>>> up. You
>>>>> claim to be clever. Be it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does 
>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't care who does it.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software 
>>>> that no
>>>> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here.
>>>>
>>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every 
>>>> type.
>>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only 
>>>> Apple does.
>>>>
>>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that.
>>>>
>>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you.
>>>> And that's what's bad.
>>>>
>>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here??
>>>
>>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple 
>>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not 
>>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems.
>>>
>>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted??
>>
>> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any 
>> Apple.
>>
>> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be 
>> gratis, but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to 
>> take the source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. 
>> With variants in the details by the licensing.
>>
> 
> Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word 
> "free" means.

It is not my definition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software

*Free software*

Free software, libre software, libreware[1][2] sometimes known as 
freedom-respecting software is computer software distributed under terms 
that allow users to run the software for any purpose as well as to 
study, change, distribute it and any adapted versions.[3][4][5][6] Free 
software is a matter of liberty, not price; all users are legally free 
to do what they want with their copies of a free software (including 
profiting from them) regardless of how much is paid to obtain the 
program.[7][2] Computer programs are deemed "free" if they give 
end-users (not just the developer) ultimate control over the software 
and, subsequently, over their devices.[5][8]

The right to study and modify a computer program entails that the source 
code—the preferred format for making changes—be made available to users 
of that program. While this is often called "access to source code" or 
"public availability", the Free Software Foundation (FSF) recommends 
against thinking in those terms,[9] because it might give the impression 
that users have an obligation (as opposed to a right) to give non-users 
a copy of the program.

Although the term "free software" had already been used loosely in the 
past and other permissive software like the Berkeley Software 
Distribution released in 1978 existed,[10] Richard Stallman is credited 
with tying it to the sense under discussion and starting the free 
software movement in 1983, when he launched the GNU Project: a 
collaborative effort to create a freedom-respecting operating system, 
and to revive the spirit of cooperation once prevalent among hackers 
during the early days of computing.[11][12]

> 
> Sorry to burst your bubble on this.

Sorry to burst yours.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#81321 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<m5lnuqFgsdrU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81318
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 22:50:43 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote in <3qegclxei2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>:

> On 2025-04-08 18:42, Alan wrote:
>> On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but
>>>>>>> when distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific
>>>>>>> Apple ID.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is
>>>>>>> free.
>>>>>>> Only Apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it
>>>>>> up. You claim to be clever. Be it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does
>>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't care who does it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software
>>>>> that no other operating system locks is the technical point that
>>>>> matters here.
>>>>>
>>>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every
>>>>> type.
>>>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only
>>>>> Apple does.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you.
>>>>> And that's what's bad.
>>>>>
>>>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here??
>>>>
>>>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple
>>>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not
>>>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems.
>>>>
>>>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted??
>>>
>>> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any
>>> Apple.
>>>
>>> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be
>>> gratis, but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to
>>> take the source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself.
>>> With variants in the details by the licensing.
>>>
>>>
>> Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word
>> "free" means.
> 
> It is not my definition.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
> 
> *Free software*
> 
> Free software, libre software, libreware[1][2] sometimes known as
> freedom-respecting software is computer software distributed under terms
> that allow users to run the software for any purpose as well as to
> study, change, distribute it and any adapted versions.[3][4][5][6] Free
> software is a matter of liberty, not price; all users are legally free
> to do what they want with their copies of a free software (including
> profiting from them) regardless of how much is paid to obtain the
> program.[7][2] Computer programs are deemed "free" if they give
> end-users (not just the developer) ultimate control over the software
> and, subsequently, over their devices.[5][8]
> 
> The right to study and modify a computer program entails that the source
> code—the preferred format for making changes—be made available to users
> of that program. While this is often called "access to source code" or
> "public availability", the Free Software Foundation (FSF) recommends
> against thinking in those terms,[9] because it might give the impression
> that users have an obligation (as opposed to a right) to give non-users
> a copy of the program.
> 
> Although the term "free software" had already been used loosely in the
> past and other permissive software like the Berkeley Software
> Distribution released in 1978 existed,[10] Richard Stallman is credited
> with tying it to the sense under discussion and starting the free
> software movement in 1983, when he launched the GNU Project: a
> collaborative effort to create a freedom-respecting operating system,
> and to revive the spirit of cooperation once prevalent among hackers
> during the early days of computing.[11][12]
> 
> 
>> Sorry to burst your bubble on this.
> 
> Sorry to burst yours.

Aw, you beat me to it.

You are correct, of course -- it's free as in "free speech",
not "free beer".

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#81320 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

Fromvallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Date2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<m5lnr2FgsdrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81315
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 09:42:51 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
<vt3jmb$2kvf6$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>>>
>>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but
>>>>>> when distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific
>>>>>> Apple ID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is
>>>>>> free.
>>>>>> Only Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up.
>>>>> You claim to be clever. Be it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't care who does it.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that
>>>> no other operating system locks is the technical point that matters
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every
>>>> type.
>>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple
>>>> does.
>>>>
>>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that.
>>>>
>>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you.
>>>> And that's what's bad.
>>>>
>>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here??
>>>
>>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple
>>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not
>>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems.
>>>
>>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted??
>> 
>> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any
>> Apple.
>> 
>> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be
>> gratis,
>> but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to take the
>> source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. With
>> variants in the details by the licensing.
>> 
>> 
> Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word
> "free" means.
> 
> Sorry to burst your bubble on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software

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#81322 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

FromMarion <marion@facts.com>
Date2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<vt4huj$2soq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#81320
On 8 Apr 2025 22:55:30 GMT, vallor wrote :


> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software

Since you and Carlos are the ones who know more than I do about this... 
  "LocalSend is fundamentally free and open-source software (FOSS).
   This means its source code is publicly available, allowing anyone
   to inspect, modify, and distribute it. This core principle 
   remains regardless of how it's distributed."

I aim for software that is akin to free beer, where I don't generally
modify that beer and then redistribute it, but, Apple seems to be doing
that in a way that is sanctioned by the provider of that free beer.
 <https://github.com/localsend/localsend/>

That is, if we go to the web page for LocalSend, it has a privacy policy.
 <https://localsend.org/>

Then, that LocalSend site has a link to an iOS section.
 <https://localsend.org/download?os=ios>

Which then takes us to the suggested iOS IPA on the Apple App Store.
 <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/localsend/id1661733229>

When you download that IPA, you can only do so with a valid Apple ID.

And then Apple unilaterally inserts not only a lock to that Apple ID, 
but Apple also invasively tracks your every use of that software, 
outside of the original privacy policy of the LocalSend web page.

Given those facts, now what would you call this software knowing that?

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#81330 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<jivhclxjdo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#81322
On 2025-04-09 03:19, Marion wrote:
> On 8 Apr 2025 22:55:30 GMT, vallor wrote :
> 
> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
> 
> Since you and Carlos are the ones who know more than I do about this...
>    "LocalSend is fundamentally free and open-source software (FOSS).
>     This means its source code is publicly available, allowing anyone
>     to inspect, modify, and distribute it. This core principle
>     remains regardless of how it's distributed."
> 
> I aim for software that is akin to free beer, where I don't generally
> modify that beer and then redistribute it, but, Apple seems to be doing
> that in a way that is sanctioned by the provider of that free beer.
>   <https://github.com/localsend/localsend/>
> 
> That is, if we go to the web page for LocalSend, it has a privacy policy.
>   <https://localsend.org/>
> 
> Then, that LocalSend site has a link to an iOS section.
>   <https://localsend.org/download?os=ios>
> 
> Which then takes us to the suggested iOS IPA on the Apple App Store.
>   <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/localsend/id1661733229>
> 
> When you download that IPA, you can only do so with a valid Apple ID.
> 
> And then Apple unilaterally inserts not only a lock to that Apple ID,
> but Apple also invasively tracks your every use of that software,
> outside of the original privacy policy of the LocalSend web page.
> 
> Given those facts, now what would you call this software knowing that?

I don't know. I don't know the Apple ecosystem.

This may be akin to using software with key certificates. The 
verification of the certificate is open, but once there whatever the key 
opens is there.

Like sending an email encrypted or signed by PGP. The software itself is 
open, but it can not falsely claim encryption. Some programmer could 
take, say Thunderbird, and create a fork that falsely claims to encrypt 
but the mail is also using a key that the NSA can open.

This does exist, I worked for a company which allowed PGP in their 
corporate email, but using a doctored version that added a key owned by 
the company, so that they could read any email.

Is that Free Software? Well, their PGP version was published, license 
unchanged, AFAIK.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#81684 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<104s9lf$1p3b8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81330
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:42:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> This does exist, I worked for a company which allowed PGP in their
> corporate email, but using a doctored version that added a key owned by
> the company, so that they could read any email.
> 
> Is that Free Software? Well, their PGP version was published, license
> unchanged, AFAIK.

Did they prevent you from substituting your own version?

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#81694 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<leuaklxb25.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#81684
On 2025-07-12 02:18, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:42:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> This does exist, I worked for a company which allowed PGP in their
>> corporate email, but using a doctored version that added a key owned by
>> the company, so that they could read any email.
>>
>> Is that Free Software? Well, their PGP version was published, license
>> unchanged, AFAIK.
> 
> Did they prevent you from substituting your own version?

No. But you could be fired for breach of regulations or whatever.

Maybe in contradiction with current laws on data protections in the EU 
and Spain; but this is corporate mail, not private mail. Touchy.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#81329 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<m5n13eFr38jU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#81315
Alan, 2025-04-08 18:42:

> On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[...]
>> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be gratis, 
>> but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to take the 
>> source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. With 
>> variants in the details by the licensing.
>>
> 
> Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word 
> "free" means.

Correct - there is a well established definition for it:

<https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software>



-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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#81323 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<vt4sp0$3s739$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81313
On 2025-04-08 11:06:55 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:
> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when
>>>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free.
>>>>> Only Apple.
>>>> 
>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software.
>>>> 
>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. You
>>>> claim to be clever. Be it.
>>>> 
>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't care who does it.
>>> 
>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that no
>>> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here.
>>> 
>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every type.
>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple does.
>>> 
>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that.
>>> 
>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you.
>>> And that's what's bad.
>> 
>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here??
>> 
>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple 
>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not 
>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems.
>> 
>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted??
> 
> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any Apple.
> 
> What I say is that if there is a lock,

There is no "lock". Purchases from Apple's App Store are linked to the 
Apple user ID, but that's simply because not all apps on the App Store 
are free, so they are all linked to an user ID. If you've bought an app 
or downloaded a free app, then you can easily re-download it on any new 
device (assuming it works on it) at no cost simply by using the same 
Apple user ID.

If it's a free app, then any other user can download it using their own 
Apple user ID anyway.

It is of course just the usual anti-Apple, know-nothing trolls like 
"Marion" making a massive mountain out of a grain of sand.




> the Apple software may be gratis, but it is not Free (as in Freedom).

Free means you don't pay any money for it. It has nothing to do with "freedom".



>  Free means I am free to take the source code, remove the lock, 
> recompile, and sell it myself. With variants in the details by the 
> licensing.

That is "open source", an entirely different thing. Plus "open source" 
is not always actually free, since in some cases you actually still 
have to pay for it.

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#81324 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

FromMarion <marion@facts.com>
Date2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<vt50vs$2o6s$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#81323
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 16:24:00 +1200, Your Name wrote :


> There is no "lock". Purchases from Apple's App Store are linked to the 
> Apple user ID, but that's simply because not all apps on the App Store 
> are free, so they are all linked to an user ID. If you've bought an app 
> or downloaded a free app, then you can easily re-download it on any new 
> device (assuming it works on it) at no cost simply by using the same 
> Apple user ID.
> 
> If it's a free app, then any other user can download it using their own 
> Apple user ID anyway.
> 
> It is of course just the usual anti-Apple, know-nothing trolls like 
> "Marion" making a massive mountain out of a grain of sand.

For adults on this newsgroup, notice how Apple trolls brazenly lie about
something as well known as the fact Apple locks every IPA to an Apple ID.
 <https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/3/22418410/epic-v-apple-trial-app-store-grip-ios-tim-cook-testimony>

Notice Apple never tells the truth, except in court, where they are forced,
by law, to tell the truth that they lock EVERY single app to an Apple ID.
 <https://www.lifewire.com/transfer-app-store-purchases-to-another-apple-id-4173604>

These Apple trolls *hate* that only Apple locks each & every app, whether
or not it's a free app or otherwise - when no other OS vendor does that.
 <https://www.imore.com/how-view-and-redownload-your-past-app-store-purchases-iphone-and-ipad>

Just Apple.

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#81332 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

FromZaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam>
Date2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<vt6ca2$elvv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#81323
On 4/9/2025 12:24 AM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2025-04-08 11:06:55 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:
>> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when
>>>>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific 
>>>>>> Apple ID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free.
>>>>>> Only Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it 
>>>>> up. You
>>>>> claim to be clever. Be it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does 
>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't care who does it.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software 
>>>> that no
>>>> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here.
>>>>
>>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every 
>>>> type.
>>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only 
>>>> Apple does.
>>>>
>>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that.
>>>>
>>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you.
>>>> And that's what's bad.
>>>
>>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here??
>>>
>>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple 
>>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not 
>>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems.
>>>
>>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted??
>>
>> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any 
>> Apple.
>>
>> What I say is that if there is a lock,
> 
> There is no "lock". Purchases from Apple's App Store are linked to the 
> Apple user ID, but that's simply because not all apps on the App Store 
> are free, so they are all linked to an user ID. If you've bought an app 
> or downloaded a free app, then you can easily re-download it on any new 
> device (assuming it works on it) at no cost simply by using the same 
> Apple user ID.
> 
> If it's a free app, then any other user can download it using their own 
> Apple user ID anyway.
> 
> It is of course just the usual anti-Apple, know-nothing trolls like 
> "Marion" making a massive mountain out of a grain of sand.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> the Apple software may be gratis, but it is not Free (as in Freedom).
> 
> Free means you don't pay any money for it. It has nothing to do with 
> "freedom".
> 
> 
> 
>>  Free means I am free to take the source code, remove the lock, 
>> recompile, and sell it myself. With variants in the details by the 
>> licensing.
> 
> That is "open source", an entirely different thing. Plus "open source" 
> is not always actually free, since in some cases you actually still have 
> to pay for it.
> 
> 
or Family connection

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#81338 — Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)

FromMarion <marion@facts.com>
Date2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
SubjectRe: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC)
Message-ID<vt6qcq$23g4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In reply to#81332
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:55:14 -0400, Zaidy036 wrote :


>> That is "open source", an entirely different thing. Plus "open source" 
>> is not always actually free, since in some cases you actually still have 
>> to pay for it.
>> 
> or Family connection

Zaidy036 is correct, and I must also state he has helped me in the past.
So I respect his knowledge (he even wrote some of the scripts that I use).

I've mentioned the family sharing a few times, but it changes nothing other 
than "a few more people" can use the same apps from a single IPA download.

BTW, not Zaidy, but for those Apple trolls who claim that everything I've 
said is from a "no nothing", bear in mind that I wrote this long ago.

Heroics are possible, even with iOS, but you have to know "something". :)

****************************************************************************
How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB cable

Please improve so that all benefit from your efforts.
****************************************************************************
The purpose of this apnote is to test read/write access to non-jailbroken
iOS devices over USB cable using a dual-boot Windows10/Ubuntu18.04 PC.

The goal is read/write access to the iOS device's visible file system
to *both* Windows & Ubuntu, via the Linux file explorer & command line.

Note that the iTunes abomination will *never* be installed on these PCs!

Both Windows and Linux are *native* (i.e., zero additional software is
needed for full read/write access to the entire visible file system of
the iOS device. Everything is on the native operating system!)
============================================================================
Section I: Native Ubuntu 18.04 Desktop
============================================================================
0. Check what's installed natively when the iOS device is NOT connected:
a. Boot to Ubuntu 18.04 Desktop
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios000.jpg>
b. Ensure ifuse and libimobiledevice-utils do not exist
$ which ifuse
(reports nothing)
$ which ideviceinfo
(reports nothing)
c. Note that libimobiledevice is installed, by default
$ sudo updateb
$ locate libimobiledevice
(reports stuff)

Apparently libimobiledevice is native, but not ifuse, nor are the
libimobiledevice-utils such as idevicepair & icevicesyslog, etc.

$ ifuse
Command 'ifuse' not found, but can be installed with:
sudo apt install ifuse

$ ideviceinfo
Command 'ideviceinfo' not found, but can be installed with:
sudo apt install libimobiledevice-utils
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1. Plug in an iOS device either before or after Ubuntu 18.04 has booted:
a. When you plug in the iPad for the first time, the iPad will ask:
"Trust this computer?"
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios010.jpg>
Note: You won't see this message again after the first time.
Note that when you plug into Windows, you get a different message:
"Allow this device to access photos and videos?"
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios020.jpg>
b. Notice two new icons show up on the desktop:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios030.jpg>
- iPad [a digital SLR icon]
(DCIM, read only, no thumbs)
- Documents on myipad [a monitor & keyboard icon]
(private space of the "good" apps, read/write, no thumbs)
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios040.jpg>
c. Notice there is no Downloads yet
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios050.jpg>
d. Notice there are no thumbnails yet
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios060.jpg>
e. Notice you can only read from the DCIM directory tree.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios070.jpg>
f. Notice you can write to the private space of the good apps
(Namely: Adobe Acrobat, Excel, FileExplorer, GarageBand,
iMovie, Keynote, MFExplorer, MinimaList, NewsTapLite, Numbers,
Pages, PowerPoint, QuickSupport, RManager, SMBManager, Topo Reader,
VLC, Voice Recorder, WiFi HD, Word)
<iosxxx>
g. Determine your iOS device 40-hex-character serial number:
$ dmesg|grep SerialNumber:
SerialNumber: 6ee7ab2fa479394be85da7cb4aefc5d8b11b6f82
<iosxxx>
Note:
Rightclick in the VLC directory & select "Open in Terminal".
$ pwd
/run/user/1000/gvfs/afc:hose=<40char>,port=3/org.videolan.vlc-ios
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios170.jpg>

Note: You can now copy any iOS device file over to Ubuntu or Windows.
Caveat: See addendum on Ubuntu mounting of Windows partitions below.
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2. Determine the iOS name of the folders that you want read/write access
to:
a. Put your mouse cursor in "Documents on myipad" & press <Control+L>
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios080.jpg>
b. This reports the true path to the "Documents on myipad" folder:
afc://6ee7ab2fa479394be85da7cb4aefc5d8b11b6f82
afc://<40-hex-character-unique-serial-number>:3/
Note: If you put it in VLC you get
afc://6ee7ab2fa479394be85da7cb4aefc5d8b11b6f82:3/org.videolan.vlc-ios
c. Put your mouse cursor in DCIM and press control L
d. This reports the true path to the "DCIM" folder:
gphoto2://%5Busb%3A001,002%5D/DCIM
Note: If you put it in 101Apple you get
gphoto2://%5Busb%3A001,002%5D/DCIM/101APPLE

Note: You can now copy any iOS device file over to Ubuntu or Windows.
Caveat: See addendum on Ubuntu automounting of Windows partitions.
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3. Enable write access to both the DCIM & Downloads folders (among others):
a. Remove the ":3/" and put it in the space that Control L was in.
afc://6ee7ab2fa479394be85da7cb4aefc5d8b11b6f82
b. Notice a *new* Desktop icon shows up, named "myipad".
c. Notice you now have read/writeaccess to DCIM & Downloads (plus
others).
Namely: Books,DCIM,Downloads,iMazing,iTunes_Control,MediaAnalysis,
PhotoData,Photos,PublicStaging,Purchases
d. Notice that the "iPad" mount is still read only (which doesn't
matter).
e. Notice that you have no thumbnails anywhere.

Note: Rightclick in the DCIM directory & select "Open in Terminal".
$ pwd
/run/user/1000/gvfs/gphoto2:hose=%5Busb%3A001%2C002%5D/DCIM

Note: You can now copy any iOS device file over to Ubuntu or Windows.
Caveat: See addendum on Ubuntu mounting of Windows partitions below.
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Section II: Adding ifuse & libimobiledevice-info to Ubuntu 18.04 Desktop

NOTE: This is optional! Adding these only adds minor capabilities that
wasn't already in the native operating system commands above.
============================================================================
4. Install the ifuse iOS file system to run in the background on Ubuntu:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios100.jpg>
a. Optionally, update and upgrade your system:
$ sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios090.jpg>
b. Install the ifuse iOS file system on Ubuntu:
$ sudo apt install ifuse
c. Look at the ifuse help
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios110.jpg>
$ which ifuse
/usr/bin/ifuse
$ ifuse --help
Usage: ifuse MOUNTPOINT [OPTIONS]
Mount directories of an iOS device locally using fuse.
-o === mount options
-u === mount specific device by its 40-digit device UDID
-d === enable libimobiledevice communication debugging
-- root === mount root file system (jailbroken device required)
-- documents APPID === mount 'Documents' folder of identified app
-- container APPID === mount sandbox root of identified app
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5. EXAMPLE 1: Mount the entire iOS visible file system on Ubuntu:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios120.jpg>
a. Create a mount point directory for your iOS files
$ mkdir -p $HOME/data/iosfs
b. Access the iOS device via $HOME/data/iosfs
$ ifuse $HOME/data/iosfs
c. This immediately puts an "iosfs" icon on the Desktop.
d. Notice you have write access to the iOS Downloads & DCIM (& others).
Namely: Books,DCIM,Downloads,iMazing,iTunes_Control,MediaAnalysis,
PhotoData,Photos,PublicStaging,Purchases
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios130.jpg>
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios140.jpg>
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios150.jpg>
e. Notice you now have thumbnails.
f. Notice you have all the power of Linux, on your iOS device now.

To unmount:
$ fusermount -u $HOME/data/iosfs
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6. EXAMPLE 2: Mount the iOS device by its unique 40-hex-character UDID:
a. Copy the serial number into your buffer
$ dmesg | grep SerialNumber:
b. Mount the iOS device by that serial number UDID
$ mkdir $HOME/data/ipad
$ ifuse $HOME/data/ipad -u 6ee7ab2fa479394be85da7cb4aefc5d8b11b6f82
c. This immediately puts an "iosfs" icon on the Desktop.
d. Notice you have write access to the iOS Downloads & DCIM (& others).
Namely: Books,DCIM,Downloads,iMazing,iTunes_Control,MediaAnalysis,
PhotoData,Photos,PublicStaging,Purchases
e. Notice you now have thumbnails.
f. Notice you have all the power of Linux, on your iOS device now.

To unmount:
$ fusermount -u $HOME/data/ipad
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7. EXAMPLE 3: Mount an iOS application's "documents" folder by its APPID:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios160.jpg>
$ mkdir $HOME/data/vlc_documents
$ ifuse $HOME/data/vlc_documents --documents org.videolan.vlc-ios

This puts an icon named "vlc_documents" on your desktop, which is
read/write access, with thumbnails, to the iOS VLC documents directory.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios180.jpg>

To unmount:
$ fusermount -u $HOME/data/vlc_documents
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8. Install libimobiledevice-utils:
$ sudo apt install libimobiledevice-utils
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9. EXAMPLE 4:
$ ideviceinfo -d
REPORTS copious information about that connected iOS device.

$ idevicesyslog
REPORTS the system log of the iOS device (extremely verbose output!).
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10. Please suggest further useful examples based on your experiences.
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Caveat:

If you leave Windows 10 at the default setting of fast startup,
then Ubuntu will mount the entire Windows file system as read only
(apparently because fast startup is a form of hibernation).

To automatically mount the entire Windows filesystem as read/write,
simply turn off fast startup in the Windows 10 settings:

Start > Settings > System > Power & sleep > Related settings
> Additional power settings > Choose what the power button does >
or (depending on your number of buttons)
> Additional power settings > Choose what the power buttons do >
> Change settings that are currently unavailable

Change from:
[x]Turn on fast startup (recommended)
This helps start your PC faster after shutdown. Restart isn't affected.
[x]Sleep (Show in Power menu.)
[_]Hibernate (Show in Power menu.)
[x]Hibernate (Show in Power menu.)
[x]Lock (Show in account picture menu.)

Change to:
[_]Turn on fast startup (recommended)
This helps start your PC faster after shutdown. Restart isn't affected.
[_]Sleep (Show in Power menu.)
[_]Hibernate (Show in Power menu.)
[_]Hibernate (Show in Power menu.)
[_]Lock (Show in account picture menu.)

And then press the "Save changes" button.
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