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  Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2024-10-22 07:10 +0200
    Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2024-10-22 07:13 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-10-22 20:20 +1100
        Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Ralf Schneider <schneiderr@freenet.de> - 2024-10-23 22:38 +0000
          Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-10-24 20:00 +1100
            Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2024-10-24 07:39 -0400
              Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-10-24 15:33 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-24 16:01 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2024-10-24 10:51 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-10-24 23:01 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> - 2024-11-03 09:56 +0000
                    Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-03 07:12 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-03 17:15 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-11-03 13:35 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-04 01:06 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2024-11-07 21:55 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-11-08 13:50 +0100
                              Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Jim Diamond <zsd@jdvb.ca> - 2024-11-09 21:08 -0400
                Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-11-03 06:43 -0500
            Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-10-25 19:49 +1100
          Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-10-24 10:33 -0400
      Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-10-24 15:30 +0200
        Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2024-10-24 13:47 +0000
    Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Lokales.Konto.24 <Lokales.Konto.24@googly.com> - 2024-11-04 02:15 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-11-03 23:04 -0500

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#80621 — Microsoft Recall is shit - goodbye Win11!

I still have one PC with Win10 to be honest.

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#80622

On 22/10/2024 in message <95cf9ba6606ce4a227a0abcfd54bb9d4@dizum.com> 
Nomen Nescio wrote:

>I still have one PC with Win10 to be honest.

I have 3 with Win 8.1, the last MSFT OS that allows me control over updates.

-- 
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Though no-one can go back and make a new start, everyone can start from 
now and make a new ending.

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#80623

Jeff Gaines wrote on 22/10/24 6:13 pm:
> On 22/10/2024 in message <95cf9ba6606ce4a227a0abcfd54bb9d4@dizum.com> 
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> 
>> I still have one PC with Win10 to be honest.
> 
> I have 3 with Win 8.1, the last MSFT OS that allows me control over 
> updates.
> 
This Laptop still has Win 7 on it, which I update stuff on about every week.

Dual Boots a couple of varieties of Linux most of the time.
-- 
Daniel

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#80662

> This Laptop still has Win 7 on it, which I update stuff on about every
> week.
Never Windoof since 1992, but DOS. Linux since 1999 and allways happy.

Regards
Ralf

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#80667

Ralf Schneider wrote on 24/10/24 9:38 am:
>> This Laptop still has Win 7 on it, which I update stuff on about every
>> week.
> Never Windoof since 1992, but DOS. Linux since 1999 and allways happy.
> 
> Regards
> Ralf
> 
Started with Win 2 or Win 3 since, was it, mid-late 80's through to Win 
6, then dual booting Linux with Win 95 in 1997 and Win 98 in 2000
-- 
Daniel

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#80669

On 2024-10-24 05:00, Daniel70 wrote:
> Ralf Schneider wrote on 24/10/24 9:38 am:
>>> This Laptop still has Win 7 on it, which I update stuff on about every
>>> week.
>> Never Windoof since 1992, but DOS. Linux since 1999 and allways happy.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ralf
>>
> Started with Win 2 or Win 3 since, was it, mid-late 80's through to Win 
> 6, then dual booting Linux with Win 95 in 1997 and Win 98 in 2000

I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms, and my aging HP 
color laser printer is not fully supported by hplip. (Diagnostics 
mostly. When something goes wrong, hplip just says "device communication 
error" which is not helpful.)

So, I keep a Win7 guest in VirtualBox. All I need for now, though I'm 
thinking I'll eventually have to downgrade to Win10.

TJ

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#80675

On 24.10.2024 um 07:39 Uhr TJ wrote:

> I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms,

If such stuff doesn't work in other readers (maybe try evince) I print
that out and use my typewriter to fill it out and either I send it via
Fax or via snailmail, with a notice that I don't have Windows and can't
do this task on other operating systems.

-- 
kind regards
Marco

Send spam to 1729748367muell@cartoonies.org

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#80679

On 2024-10-24 15:33, Marco Moock wrote:
> On 24.10.2024 um 07:39 Uhr TJ wrote:
> 
>> I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms,
> 
> If such stuff doesn't work in other readers (maybe try evince) I print
> that out and use my typewriter to fill it out and either I send it via
> Fax or via snailmail, with a notice that I don't have Windows and can't
> do this task on other operating systems.

Editable Forms do not work right with ANY linux PDF viewer, and not at 
all when they use script (javascript? I have forgotten which). The only 
valid tool is the Adobe reader, and the Linux version is ancient 
(abandonware) and may not run in a current Linux. Nor does the windows 
version run under Wine.

Foxit is the only reader I have found that can display XFA forms 
tolerably well in Linux, and not always.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#80681

On 2024-10-24 10:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-10-24 15:33, Marco Moock wrote:
>> On 24.10.2024 um 07:39 Uhr TJ wrote:
>>
>>> I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms,
>>
>> If such stuff doesn't work in other readers (maybe try evince) I print
>> that out and use my typewriter to fill it out and either I send it via
>> Fax or via snailmail, with a notice that I don't have Windows and can't
>> do this task on other operating systems.
> 
> Editable Forms do not work right with ANY linux PDF viewer, and not at 
> all when they use script (javascript? I have forgotten which). The only 
> valid tool is the Adobe reader, and the Linux version is ancient 
> (abandonware) and may not run in a current Linux. Nor does the windows 
> version run under Wine.
> 
> Foxit is the only reader I have found that can display XFA forms 
> tolerably well in Linux, and not always.
> 
This form has enhanced capabilities, primary of which is placing 
driver's license information within a bar code, to attempt to prevent 
fraud (someone else filing before I do, and collecting my refund)

The bar code version can only be printed with Adobe Reader. It may not 
be restricted to Windows, might be possible with a Mac, but emulating 
Win7 in vbox is easier than a Mac OS.

They do have another form that can be used with Linux, but it doesn't 
have the bar codes, is less secure, and takes longer to get through the 
state's system.

Yes, I could jump through hoops to use only Linux, but I'm 75, and don't 
have enough years left to waste on being stubborn.

TJ

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#80688

On 2024-10-24 16:51, TJ wrote:
> On 2024-10-24 10:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-10-24 15:33, Marco Moock wrote:
>>> On 24.10.2024 um 07:39 Uhr TJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms,
>>>
>>> If such stuff doesn't work in other readers (maybe try evince) I print
>>> that out and use my typewriter to fill it out and either I send it via
>>> Fax or via snailmail, with a notice that I don't have Windows and can't
>>> do this task on other operating systems.
>>
>> Editable Forms do not work right with ANY linux PDF viewer, and not at 
>> all when they use script (javascript? I have forgotten which). The 
>> only valid tool is the Adobe reader, and the Linux version is ancient 
>> (abandonware) and may not run in a current Linux. Nor does the windows 
>> version run under Wine.
>>
>> Foxit is the only reader I have found that can display XFA forms 
>> tolerably well in Linux, and not always.
>>
> This form has enhanced capabilities, primary of which is placing 
> driver's license information within a bar code, to attempt to prevent 
> fraud (someone else filing before I do, and collecting my refund)
> 
> The bar code version can only be printed with Adobe Reader. It may not 
> be restricted to Windows, might be possible with a Mac, but emulating 
> Win7 in vbox is easier than a Mac OS.
> 
> They do have another form that can be used with Linux, but it doesn't 
> have the bar codes, is less secure, and takes longer to get through the 
> state's system.
> 
> Yes, I could jump through hoops to use only Linux, but I'm 75, and don't 
> have enough years left to waste on being stubborn.

You are absolutely right.

For a while, Adobe had a version for Linux which would work, but at some 
point they abandoned Linux. It is a shame. Forms that run code 
(Javascript) do not work in Linux. Code can be used to print barcodes or 
dotcodes, for instance; but in the case of tax forms they can do 
calculations and fill boxes depending on what you input in other boxes, 
or do validation calculations.

I am fortunate that my country does the tax form using web forms that 
run in any operating system. But some ministries and regional 
governments use Adobe forms.

The only possible alternative is running Adobe Reader through emulation. 
Wine doesn't work, so it has to be a virtual machine, running Windows, 
maybe Apple, maybe Android (I say maybe because I do not know nor tested 
personally).


There is another reason I also keep a virtual machine with Windows 10 
(and not W11 because it refuses to update in vmware or virtualbox), and 
is ADE (Adobe Digital Editions). It is needed to buy protected ebooks 
and read them in the computer or in an ebook reader.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#80739

On 2024-10-24, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-10-24 15:33, Marco Moock wrote:
>> On 24.10.2024 um 07:39 Uhr TJ wrote:
>> 
>>> I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms,
>> 
>> If such stuff doesn't work in other readers (maybe try evince) I print
>> that out and use my typewriter to fill it out and either I send it via
>> Fax or via snailmail, with a notice that I don't have Windows and can't
>> do this task on other operating systems.
>
> Editable Forms do not work right with ANY linux PDF viewer, and not at 
> all when they use script (javascript? I have forgotten which). The only 
> valid tool is the Adobe reader, and the Linux version is ancient 
> (abandonware) and may not run in a current Linux. Nor does the windows 
> version run under Wine.
>
> Foxit is the only reader I have found that can display XFA forms 
> tolerably well in Linux, and not always.
>

Try Okular and XournalPP

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#80741

Bozo User wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 2024-10-24, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-24 15:33, Marco Moock wrote:
>>> On 24.10.2024 um 07:39 Uhr TJ wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms,
>>> 
>>> If such stuff doesn't work in other readers (maybe try evince) I print
>>> that out and use my typewriter to fill it out and either I send it via
>>> Fax or via snailmail, with a notice that I don't have Windows and can't
>>> do this task on other operating systems.
>>
>> Editable Forms do not work right with ANY linux PDF viewer, and not at 
>> all when they use script (javascript? I have forgotten which). The only 
>> valid tool is the Adobe reader, and the Linux version is ancient 
>> (abandonware) and may not run in a current Linux. Nor does the windows 
>> version run under Wine.
>>
>> Foxit is the only reader I have found that can display XFA forms 
>> tolerably well in Linux, and not always.

Thank Adobe for "opening" the PDF format, but keep key parts of it
proprietary.

> Try Okular and XournalPP

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	FOR A FEW FRIES MORE: Takes up where AFOF left off!  Cameo by Walter
Cronkite, as every man's common 'tater!

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#80742

On 2024-11-03 10:56, Bozo User wrote:
> On 2024-10-24, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-24 15:33, Marco Moock wrote:
>>> On 24.10.2024 um 07:39 Uhr TJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms,
>>>
>>> If such stuff doesn't work in other readers (maybe try evince) I print
>>> that out and use my typewriter to fill it out and either I send it via
>>> Fax or via snailmail, with a notice that I don't have Windows and can't
>>> do this task on other operating systems.
>>
>> Editable Forms do not work right with ANY linux PDF viewer, and not at
>> all when they use script (javascript? I have forgotten which). The only
>> valid tool is the Adobe reader, and the Linux version is ancient
>> (abandonware) and may not run in a current Linux. Nor does the windows
>> version run under Wine.
>>
>> Foxit is the only reader I have found that can display XFA forms
>> tolerably well in Linux, and not always.
>>
> 
> Try Okular and XournalPP

Why do you think that I did not try Okular? It does not support properly 
XFA forms with Javascript. No Linux PDF reader supports javascript.

XournalPP I have not tried. News to me. Before dong so, please tell if 
it does support javascript.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#80743

On Sun, 11/3/2024 11:15 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2024-11-03 10:56, Bozo User wrote:
>> On 2024-10-24, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-24 15:33, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>> On 24.10.2024 um 07:39 Uhr TJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms,
>>>>
>>>> If such stuff doesn't work in other readers (maybe try evince) I print
>>>> that out and use my typewriter to fill it out and either I send it via
>>>> Fax or via snailmail, with a notice that I don't have Windows and can't
>>>> do this task on other operating systems.
>>>
>>> Editable Forms do not work right with ANY linux PDF viewer, and not at
>>> all when they use script (javascript? I have forgotten which). The only
>>> valid tool is the Adobe reader, and the Linux version is ancient
>>> (abandonware) and may not run in a current Linux. Nor does the windows
>>> version run under Wine.
>>>
>>> Foxit is the only reader I have found that can display XFA forms
>>> tolerably well in Linux, and not always.
>>>
>>
>> Try Okular and XournalPP
> 
> Why do you think that I did not try Okular? It does not support properly XFA forms with Javascript. No Linux PDF reader supports javascript.
> 
> XournalPP I have not tried. News to me. Before dong so, please tell if it does support javascript.
> 

I notice in a WINE entry, that some amount (not all) of the current Adobe PDf stuff
runs under WINE. That's not a native Linux executable, it's just
the Windows version of Adobe.

And the reason Adobe still has a Windows version, is as an advertising
platform for their rental-ware. It isn't actually designed to help anyone.
After a self-update on Windows one day, I got fed up with the "feature changes"
they made to it. I uninstalled it. When the dialog popped up asking
"why did you uninstall it?" I wrote in their feedback, that they had
removed one feature too many, and they were being turfed out. I have Okular
for Windows on the machine now. Adobe has been kicked out of residence.
No more Adobe software.

okular-23.08.4-1647-windows-cl-msvc2019-x86_64.7z

bin --- okular.exe   523,480 bytes
certs
etc
lib
share

   Paul

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#80745

On 2024-11-03 19:35, Paul wrote:
> On Sun, 11/3/2024 11:15 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2024-11-03 10:56, Bozo User wrote:

...

>>> Try Okular and XournalPP
>>
>> Why do you think that I did not try Okular? It does not support properly XFA forms with Javascript. No Linux PDF reader supports javascript.
>>
>> XournalPP I have not tried. News to me. Before dong so, please tell if it does support javascript.
>>
> 
> I notice in a WINE entry, that some amount (not all) of the current Adobe PDf stuff
> runs under WINE. That's not a native Linux executable, it's just
> the Windows version of Adobe.

Interesting. But it needs to run the important features. I may try one day.


> And the reason Adobe still has a Windows version, is as an advertising
> platform for their rental-ware. It isn't actually designed to help anyone.
> After a self-update on Windows one day, I got fed up with the "feature changes"
> they made to it. I uninstalled it. When the dialog popped up asking
> "why did you uninstall it?" I wrote in their feedback, that they had
> removed one feature too many, and they were being turfed out. I have Okular
> for Windows on the machine now. Adobe has been kicked out of residence.
> No more Adobe software.
> 
> okular-23.08.4-1647-windows-cl-msvc2019-x86_64.7z

Sure, okular is very good. However, if you need to fill a tax form in 
pdf, in most cases only Acroread will work. It is not part of the 
standard. It needs javascript, and a document reader that can execute 
foreign code when viewing a document is a very dangerous feature. 
Fortunately very few departments use this feature.

Another thing I probably can not do in Linux is legally sign a PDF. At 
least I don't know how to do it.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#80748

On 2024-11-03 at 20:06 AST, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> Another thing I probably can not do in Linux is legally sign a PDF. At 
> least I don't know how to do it.

I don't know what you mean by "legally", which may depend on where you
live, but I have signed PDF documents by using xournalpp's annotation
features and the people I emailed them to were happy.  Whether they were
happy with something which didn't qualify as legal, I don't know.

Cheers.

                                Jim

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#80749

On 2024-11-08 02:55, Jim Diamond wrote:
> On 2024-11-03 at 20:06 AST, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Another thing I probably can not do in Linux is legally sign a PDF. At
>> least I don't know how to do it.
> 
> I don't know what you mean by "legally", which may depend on where you
> live, but I have signed PDF documents by using xournalpp's annotation
> features and the people I emailed them to were happy.  Whether they were
> happy with something which didn't qualify as legal, I don't know.

I mean cryptographically sign, with a legally valid certificate.

PGP is not legally valid. PKCS is. Imposing a graphic of your written 
signature is not, but can pass sometimes.

You can download a sample signed document here:

<https://sautinsoft.com/products/pdf/help/net/Code%20samples/CSharp/07.%20Securing%20and%20signing/05.%20Read%20Signature%20Properties/digital%20signature.pdf>

or

wget https://blogs.adobe.com/security/SampleSignedPDFDocument.pdf


Open it with Okular. You will see a message banner on top saying that 
the document is digitally signed. Now try to sign a PDF in Linux like 
that. LibreOffice can do it.

-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.

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#80751

On 2024-11-08 at 08:50 AST, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-11-08 02:55, Jim Diamond wrote:
>> On 2024-11-03 at 20:06 AST, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Another thing I probably can not do in Linux is legally sign a PDF. At
>>> least I don't know how to do it.
>> 
>> I don't know what you mean by "legally", which may depend on where you
>> live, but I have signed PDF documents by using xournalpp's annotation
>> features and the people I emailed them to were happy.  Whether they were
>> happy with something which didn't qualify as legal, I don't know.
>
> I mean cryptographically sign, with a legally valid certificate.

Thanks.  That makes a lot of sense, but it wasn't the first thing that came
to mind.  (Duh!).

Cheers.
                                        Jim

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#80740

On 10/24/24 09:33, Marco Moock wrote:
> On 24.10.2024 um 07:39 Uhr TJ wrote:
> 
>> I need Windows Adobe Reader for my state tax forms,
> 
> If such stuff doesn't work in other readers (maybe try evince) I print
> that out and use my typewriter to fill it out and either I send it via
> Fax or via snailmail, with a notice that I don't have Windows and can't
> do this task on other operating systems.
> 

When proprietary attempts to monopolize arrive from gov. sources the 
first thing I do is fire off a letter to my member of parliament warning 
him that corruption of any sort could cost him his job and pension even 
if he's merely an unaware accomplice because he is being PAID TO BE 
AWARE. When they come from private sources who are free to do as they 
please I remind them that so am I, 'close my account'. One must give no 
quarter to ticks and leeches.

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#80697

Daniel70 wrote on 24/10/24 8:00 pm:
> Ralf Schneider wrote on 24/10/24 9:38 am:
>>> This Laptop still has Win 7 on it, which I update stuff on about every
>>> week.
>> Never Windoof since 1992, but DOS. Linux since 1999 and allways happy.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ralf
>>
> Started with Win 2 or Win 3 since, was it, mid-late 80's through to Win 
> 6, then dual booting Linux with Win 95 in 1997 and Win 98 in 2000

Opps!! Was that actually DOS 2 or 3 in mid-80's using X-Tree and then 
X-Tree Gold .... and then I moved to Win 2 or 3 in early-90's. ;-(
-- 
Daniel

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