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  Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Unlisted <unlisted@nomail.com> - 2021-08-06 18:27 -0500
    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2021-08-06 16:48 -0700
      Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 05:12 +0000
        Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-08-07 17:09 -0500
          Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 22:23 +0000
      Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Unlisted <unlisted@nomail.com> - 2021-08-08 23:53 -0500
    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2021-08-07 00:06 +0000
      Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 00:17 +0000
        Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2021-08-07 01:54 +0000
          Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 02:13 +0000
            Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 03:05 -0700
    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-08-06 18:31 -0600
      Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2021-08-06 23:33 -0500
        Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? STALKING_TARGET_39 <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 00:40 -0700
      Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-07 11:50 +0000
      Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2021-08-07 08:32 -0400
        Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 13:28 +0000
          Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2021-08-07 09:53 -0400
          Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-07 16:53 +0200
            Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2021-08-07 16:08 +0000
              Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-07 17:35 +0000
                Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 19:53 +0000
                  Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-07 20:32 +0000
                    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 21:07 +0000
                    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-07 23:23 +0200
                  Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-07 23:22 +0200
              Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-07 20:08 +0200
                Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 20:00 +0000
                  Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-07 23:21 +0200
              Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 19:47 +0000
              Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2021-08-08 05:14 -0400
        Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2021-08-07 13:38 +0000
          Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2021-08-07 10:17 -0400
            Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-07 16:54 +0200
              Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2021-08-07 14:27 -0400
                Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 20:03 +0000
                  Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2021-08-07 16:58 -0400
                    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2021-08-07 21:10 +0000
                      Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2021-08-08 06:23 -0400
                        Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Dustin who does stuff with miceless computers <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2021-08-09 18:40 -0700
                Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-08-07 20:36 +0000
                  Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2021-08-07 17:17 -0400
    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-08-07 02:29 +0200
      Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2021-08-07 03:28 +0200
    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2021-08-07 11:27 +0200
    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2021-08-07 07:26 -0400
    Re: Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2021-08-08 09:16 -0400

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#70450 — Why cant linux put arrows on scroll bars?

I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
If windows can do it, why not linux?

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#70451

Unlisted wrote:
> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
> If windows can do it, why not linux?

Maybe you should get a mouse w/ a scroll wheel.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#70461

On 2021-08-06, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
> Unlisted wrote:
>> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
>> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
>> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
>> If windows can do it, why not linux?
>
> Maybe you should get a mouse w/ a scroll wheel.

That was the first thing I thought. I haven't used (or been interested in) 
arrows in scrollbars for years. Probably about the time I started using a 
mice with scrollwheels.

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These years, during which the accursed SECT OF MASONRY will take control of 
the civil government... These unfortunate men will think the Convent 
destroyed, but God lives, and I live, and we will raise up powerful 
defenders and set before these enemies, difficulties impossible to conquer, 
and the triumph will be ours..."  — Our Lady of Good Success

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#70495

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2021-08-06, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
> > Unlisted wrote:
> >> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
> >> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
> >> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
> >> If windows can do it, why not linux?
> >
> > Maybe you should get a mouse w/ a scroll wheel.

> That was the first thing I thought. I haven't used (or been interested in) 
> arrows in scrollbars for years. Probably about the time I started using a 
> mice with scrollwheels.

For me, it's hard to use scrollwheel. I prefer keyboards like arrow keys and page up/down.
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#70496

On 2021-08-07, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2021-08-06, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:
>> > Unlisted wrote:
>> >> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
>> >> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
>> >> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
>> >> If windows can do it, why not linux?
>> >
>> > Maybe you should get a mouse w/ a scroll wheel.
>
>> That was the first thing I thought. I haven't used (or been interested in) 
>> arrows in scrollbars for years. Probably about the time I started using a 
>> mice with scrollwheels.
>
> For me, it's hard to use scrollwheel. I prefer keyboards like arrow keys and page up/down.

I can see that also. I use the keyboard's up and down arrows sometimes as 
well.

-- 
These years, during which the accursed SECT OF MASONRY will take control of 
the civil government... These unfortunate men will think the Convent 
destroyed, but God lives, and I live, and we will raise up powerful 
defenders and set before these enemies, difficulties impossible to conquer, 
and the triumph will be ours..."  — Our Lady of Good Success

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#70514

On Fri, 6 Aug 2021 16:48:52 -0700, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
wrote:

>Unlisted wrote:
>> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
>> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
>> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
>> If windows can do it, why not linux?
>
>Maybe you should get a mouse w/ a scroll wheel.

IBM laptop with built in mouse. You cant add a scroll wheel to that. And
while i could plug in a USB mouse, I do all my internet and most other
computer work in my vehicle. Using an external mouse is not an option on
a vehicle seat. Not to mention portability. When i go to a motel i dont
need a pile of accessories to lug in besides the laptop.

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#70452

On 2021-08-06, Unlisted <unlisted@nomail.com> wrote:
> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
> If windows can do it, why not linux?

Not having used Windows, I have no idea what "arrows on scroll bars"
are. If I want to use a scroll bar in Linux (Mageia 8 in particular, but
it is not particular to that), I place the mouse on the active scroll
and drag it up or down with a left mouse button held down. Or I place
the mouse beneath the active part of the bar on the bar, and click and
down the page goes. (and up if above). What do you do with your two
hands while scrolling?


>
>

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#70453

On Aug 6, 2021 at 5:06:35 PM MST, "William Unruh" wrote
<sekiqb$n7h$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 2021-08-06, Unlisted <unlisted@nomail.com> wrote:
>> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
>> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
>> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
>> If windows can do it, why not linux?
> 
> Not having used Windows, I have no idea what "arrows on scroll bars"
> are. If I want to use a scroll bar in Linux (Mageia 8 in particular, but
> it is not particular to that), I place the mouse on the active scroll
> and drag it up or down with a left mouse button held down. Or I place
> the mouse beneath the active part of the bar on the bar, and click and
> down the page goes. (and up if above). What do you do with your two
> hands while scrolling?
> 

Wndows has scroll arrows at the top and bottom of the scroll bar (or left and
right as appropriate). I think you can click on these and it scrolls. Most UIs
no longer have this... you can just click and hold at the top or bottom of the
scroll bar to get a similar effect.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#70457

On 2021-08-07, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 6, 2021 at 5:06:35 PM MST, "William Unruh" wrote
><sekiqb$n7h$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 2021-08-06, Unlisted <unlisted@nomail.com> wrote:
>>> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
>>> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
>>> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
>>> If windows can do it, why not linux?
>> 
>> Not having used Windows, I have no idea what "arrows on scroll bars"
>> are. If I want to use a scroll bar in Linux (Mageia 8 in particular, but
>> it is not particular to that), I place the mouse on the active scroll
>> and drag it up or down with a left mouse button held down. Or I place
>> the mouse beneath the active part of the bar on the bar, and click and
>> down the page goes. (and up if above). What do you do with your two
>> hands while scrolling?
>> 
>
> Wndows has scroll arrows at the top and bottom of the scroll bar (or left and
> right as appropriate). I think you can click on these and it scrolls. Most UIs
> no longer have this... you can just click and hold at the top or bottom of the
> scroll bar to get a similar effect.

Ah. Well, Chrome,Chromium , Konsole, Konqueror, Okular, ...  on my system have those arrows. Firefox does
not. 
So, yes, Linux CAN do them.

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#70458

On Aug 6, 2021 at 6:54:49 PM MST, "William Unruh" wrote
<sekp59$mua$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 2021-08-07, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 5:06:35 PM MST, "William Unruh" wrote
>> <sekiqb$n7h$1@dont-email.me>:
>> 
>>> On 2021-08-06, Unlisted <unlisted@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin.
>>>> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I
>>>> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.
>>>> If windows can do it, why not linux?
>>> 
>>> Not having used Windows, I have no idea what "arrows on scroll bars"
>>> are. If I want to use a scroll bar in Linux (Mageia 8 in particular, but
>>> it is not particular to that), I place the mouse on the active scroll
>>> and drag it up or down with a left mouse button held down. Or I place
>>> the mouse beneath the active part of the bar on the bar, and click and
>>> down the page goes. (and up if above). What do you do with your two
>>> hands while scrolling?
>>> 
>> 
>> Wndows has scroll arrows at the top and bottom of the scroll bar (or left and
>> right as appropriate). I think you can click on these and it scrolls. Most UIs
>> no longer have this... you can just click and hold at the top or bottom of the
>> scroll bar to get a similar effect.
> 
> Ah. Well, Chrome,Chromium , Konsole, Konqueror, Okular, ... on my system have
> those arrows. Firefox does
> not.
> So, yes, Linux CAN do them.

Cool.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#70465

On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 7:13:27 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 6, 2021 at 6:54:49 PM MST, "William Unruh" wrote 
> <sekp59$mua$1...@dont-email.me>:
> > On 2021-08-07, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >> On Aug 6, 2021 at 5:06:35 PM MST, "William Unruh" wrote 
> >> <sekiqb$n7h$1...@dont-email.me>: 
> >> 
> >>> On 2021-08-06, Unlisted <unli...@nomail.com> wrote: 
> >>>> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon) and Zorin. 
> >>>> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I 
> >>>> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else. 
> >>>> If windows can do it, why not linux? 
> >>> 
> >>> Not having used Windows, I have no idea what "arrows on scroll bars" 
> >>> are. If I want to use a scroll bar in Linux (Mageia 8 in particular, but 
> >>> it is not particular to that), I place the mouse on the active scroll 
> >>> and drag it up or down with a left mouse button held down. Or I place 
> >>> the mouse beneath the active part of the bar on the bar, and click and 
> >>> down the page goes. (and up if above). What do you do with your two 
> >>> hands while scrolling? 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Wndows has scroll arrows at the top and bottom of the scroll bar (or left and 
> >> right as appropriate). I think you can click on these and it scrolls. Most UIs 
> >> no longer have this... you can just click and hold at the top or bottom of the 
> >> scroll bar to get a similar effect. 
> > 
> > Ah. Well, Chrome,Chromium , Konsole, Konqueror, Okular, ... on my system have 
> > those arrows. Firefox does 
> > not. 
> > So, yes, Linux CAN do them.
> Cool.
> -- 
> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. 
> 
> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


You're like a shark in a goldfish bowl. We all see you there and tell you 
as much. And you're so brain-dead you keep failing to see it. I guess this 
is what arises when really poor self esteem takes over Commander Kinsey's 
entire life. Clearly there are too many "works for me" people in this group 
and not enough people with the skills to help the people with Macs. Commander 
Kinsey is far too unintelligent to write a useful script. The only scripting 
he's ever shown he can do is simple stuff I did years ago. 

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#70454

On 8/6/21 5:27 PM, Unlisted wrote:
> I have installed the latest versions of Mint (cinnamon)  and Zorin. 
> Neither have arrows on scroll bars. This annoys the f**k out of me. I 
> got to use 2 hands to scroll web pages ib firefox and everything else.

If I understand what you're talking about correctly, I believe you are 
looking for something controlled by the theme / appearance of the 
desktop environment.

<---###--------->

Scroll arrow (<), followed by scroll space (---), followed by the scroll 
handle (?term?) (###), followed by more scroll space (---), followed by 
another scroll arrow (>).

I too dislike not having the scroll buttons, be it up and down or side 
to side.

> If windows can do it, why not linux?

Linux can do it.  For some reason scroll buttons have fallen out of 
vogue and people are hiding them.

Related:  I also dislike the propensity that people seem to have of 
hiding the scroll bar until you move the mouse into the area that it 
should be in.  When the mouse is in the magic location the scroll bar 
appears.

I believe that these changes are being done in the spirit of trying to 
reclaim screen realestate for things that some people feel is seldom 
used, thus wasted.  However, hiding them make the User eXperience much 
less intuitive and requires more foreknowledge about the program.



-- 
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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#70460

Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
...
> I believe that these changes are being done in the spirit of trying to 
> reclaim screen realestate for things that some people feel is seldom 
> used, thus wasted.  However, hiding them make the User eXperience much 
> less intuitive and requires more foreknowledge about the program.

Agreed. I hate these autohide features.
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#70462

On Friday, August 6, 2021 at 9:33:20 PM UTC-7, Ant wrote:
> Grant Taylor <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote: 
> ...
> > I believe that these changes are being done in the spirit of trying to 
> > reclaim screen realestate for things that some people feel is seldom 
> > used, thus wasted. However, hiding them make the User eXperience much 
> > less intuitive and requires more foreknowledge about the program.
> Agreed. I hate these autohide features. 
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Translation: "Gremlin's imaginary friend HHI" is now COMPLETELY powerless 
to disguise his forging. 

You saying something is so does not make it true. 

Gremlin's imaginary friend HHI's posts are nothing but an indecipherable 
rambling. 

Gremlin's imaginary friend HHI - who caused more issues applying his 'quick 
fixes' than what the machine started with before he did a thing. You're 
like a dead, bloated whale on the beach. We all see you sitting there and 
let you know. And you're so brain-dead you keep rejecting it. 


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#70468

Le 07-08-2021, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> a écrit :
>
> I believe that these changes are being done in the spirit of trying to 
> reclaim screen realestate for things that some people feel is seldom 
> used, thus wasted.  However, hiding them make the User eXperience much 
> less intuitive and requires more foreknowledge about the program.

You consider that your way of using a computer is the only one valid,
but it's wrong. You want to always display them, you do and it's good
for you. But for my part, I consider them to be useless so they are
never shown. I don't want to have them because you consider it's better
for some other guys. The possibility to chose is important.

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#70470

On 8/6/21 8:31 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:

> Linux can do it. For some reason scroll buttons have fallen out of
> vogue and people are hiding them.

They haven't fallen out of favor, they used to be there but are
less seen now. I totally agree with the OP's disgust. The problem
to me seems to be that devs are unilaterally migrarting the
entire GUI usability and intuitivness matrix to what will please
the overpopulated but intelectually handicapped mouseless texto
mob where the ad-revenue is totally oppressive.


> Related: I also dislike the propensity that people seem to have of 
> hiding the scroll bar until you move the mouse into the area that it
>  should be in.  When the mouse is in the magic location the scroll 
> bar appears.
> 
> I believe that these changes are being done in the spirit of trying 
> to reclaim screen realestate for things that some people feel is 
> seldom used, thus wasted. 

Again, screen realestate too being far more valuable on
hand-held devices than on desktops or laptops, THAT is
where the problem lies IMHO.

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#70472

On 2021-08-07, bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> wrote:
> On 8/6/21 8:31 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>
>> Linux can do it. For some reason scroll buttons have fallen out of
>> vogue and people are hiding them.
>
> They haven't fallen out of favor, they used to be there but are
> less seen now. I totally agree with the OP's disgust. The problem
> to me seems to be that devs are unilaterally migrarting the
> entire GUI usability and intuitivness matrix to what will please
> the overpopulated but intelectually handicapped mouseless texto
> mob where the ad-revenue is totally oppressive.

I don't miss the the arrows on the desktop. I had forgotten they ever 
existed. I'm so use to scroll wheels on mice that I completely get rid of 
the scroll bar wherever possible — with editors and word processors. 

>> Related: I also dislike the propensity that people seem to have of 
>> hiding the scroll bar until you move the mouse into the area that it
>>  should be in.  When the mouse is in the magic location the scroll 
>> bar appears.
>> 
>> I believe that these changes are being done in the spirit of trying 
>> to reclaim screen real estate for things that some people feel is 
>> seldom used, thus wasted. 
>
> Again, screen realestate too being far more valuable on
> hand-held devices than on desktops or laptops, THAT is
> where the problem lies IMHO.

I have a 22" monitor on my desktop... I still like as much "real estate" as 
I can get. I don't like a tab bar in Firefox if only one tab is open — so I 
get rid of it. I get rid of the title bar. I use the compact density so my 
bars are narrower and I don't display the bookmarks or Menu Bar. If I could 
get rid of the scroll bar altogether I would — but, as is, it's pretty small 
and not too noticable.

-- 
These years, during which the accursed SECT OF MASONRY will take control of 
the civil government... These unfortunate men will think the Convent 
destroyed, but God lives, and I live, and we will raise up powerful 
defenders and set before these enemies, difficulties impossible to conquer, 
and the triumph will be ours..."  — Our Lady of Good Success

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#70474

On 8/7/21 9:28 AM, RonB wrote:

>> Again, screen realestate too being far more valuable on
>> hand-held devices than on desktops or laptops, THAT is
>> where the problem lies IMHO.
> 
> I have a 22" monitor on my desktop... I still like as much "real estate" as
> I can get. I don't like a tab bar in Firefox if only one tab is open — so I
> get rid of it.

Firefox is a screen hog, personally I prefer a full and real-path title bar
(showing the executable binary at work and THAT in case of ALL
windows), a URL strip, and a classical menu bar, and nothing else (up there).

  I get rid of the title bar. I use the compact density so my
> bars are narrower and I don't display the bookmarks or Menu Bar. If I could
> get rid of the scroll bar altogether I would — but, as is, it's pretty small
> and not too noticable.


> 
> -- 
> These years, during which the accursed SECT OF MASONRY will take control of
> the civil government... These unfortunate men will think the Convent
> destroyed, but God lives, and I live, and we will raise up powerful
> defenders and set before these enemies, difficulties impossible to conquer,
> and the triumph will be ours..."  — Our Lady of Good Success
> 

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#70476

On 07/08/2021 15.28, RonB wrote:
> On 2021-08-07, bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> wrote:
>> On 8/6/21 8:31 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> Linux can do it. For some reason scroll buttons have fallen out of
>>> vogue and people are hiding them.
>>
>> They haven't fallen out of favor, they used to be there but are
>> less seen now. I totally agree with the OP's disgust. The problem
>> to me seems to be that devs are unilaterally migrarting the
>> entire GUI usability and intuitivness matrix to what will please
>> the overpopulated but intelectually handicapped mouseless texto
>> mob where the ad-revenue is totally oppressive.
> 
> I don't miss the the arrows on the desktop. I had forgotten they ever 
> existed. I'm so use to scroll wheels on mice that I completely get rid of 
> the scroll bar wherever possible — with editors and word processors. 

Same here.


-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#70477

On 2021-08-07, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/08/2021 15.28, RonB wrote:
>> On 2021-08-07, bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> wrote:
>>> On 8/6/21 8:31 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux can do it. For some reason scroll buttons have fallen out of
>>>> vogue and people are hiding them.
>>>
>>> They haven't fallen out of favor, they used to be there but are
>>> less seen now. I totally agree with the OP's disgust. The problem
>>> to me seems to be that devs are unilaterally migrarting the
>>> entire GUI usability and intuitivness matrix to what will please
>>> the overpopulated but intelectually handicapped mouseless texto
>>> mob where the ad-revenue is totally oppressive.
>> 
>> I don't miss the the arrows on the desktop. I had forgotten they ever 
>> existed. I'm so use to scroll wheels on mice that I completely get rid of 
>> the scroll bar wherever possible — with editors and word processors. 
>
> Same here.

For small things the scroll wheel is good. However if you have to get to
the later stages of a 40 page document, grabing the location bar on the
scroll bar and left dragging it down is far more efficient. 
>
>

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