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| Started by | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| First post | 2019-07-18 17:26 +0000 |
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Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-18 17:26 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-07-18 15:32 -0400
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-07-20 22:34 +0200
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? lonelydad <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2019-07-19 00:29 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 16:18 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-18 20:41 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-19 18:54 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-07-19 20:40 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-19 23:57 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-19 20:27 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-07-20 23:54 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-07-20 07:47 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-07-20 12:01 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 14:37 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-07-20 11:02 -0400
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 16:13 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 13:21 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Boris T. <bt@lsd.invalid> - 2019-07-20 16:00 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-07-21 02:22 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 22:16 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-21 20:01 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-22 05:41 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-07-21 00:08 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-21 10:06 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-21 09:13 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-21 20:01 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-21 14:32 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-22 08:26 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-22 05:49 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-07-22 12:33 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-22 08:36 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-22 19:54 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2019-07-22 21:43 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Shit the Cat <supersecret@IPaddress.invalid> - 2019-07-22 21:51 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2019-07-22 21:54 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-22 15:05 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-07-22 09:11 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-22 20:08 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-07-23 10:03 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2019-07-22 07:23 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-22 20:42 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 10:22 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-07-20 11:34 -0400
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 10:44 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net> - 2019-07-20 20:14 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-07-20 19:29 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 15:45 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 21:07 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2019-07-20 22:16 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net> - 2019-07-20 23:06 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-07-20 11:41 -0400
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 16:44 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-20 10:45 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 20:55 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Tester <anfi@onet.eu> - 2019-07-23 20:48 +0000
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-21 20:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qh2gbi$jkl$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57768 |
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:21:46 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > The instant that you show a viable list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials that > YOU have written I will shut up about it FOREVER, I guarantee and > promise. Hi Cybe(r) Wizard, 10,001 o Windows Tutorial to annotate & print family calendar at home on 8.5x11 paper (please improve for all to benefit) <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/RA3bLfsgtFg> Usenet is a potluck, where most people add on-topic technical value. o However, you can only shit on the Potluck as your added value. *For you, Cybe(r) Wizard, Usenet is merely a tool for your amusement.* This is my only response to your idiotic childish tirade, since you pulled the comment out of context, in that I wrote THOUSANDS at my company (where you conveniently omit that key detail) and that I've been writing tutorials for about two decades on Usenet under various nyms (many of which I've already dug up for you while you have never dug up even a _single_ tutorial). I realize, Cybe(r) Wizard that you own the brain of a child o Hence, I realize that you can NEVER add on-topic technical value I realize that your childish brain can NEVER add adult value. o All you can do is play your silly childish games wholly out of context This one time I'm going to stoop way way way down to your level, Cybe. o This post, from me, is at the level that you, a child, can comprehend. Here is a new tutorial I posted today, o Windows Tutorial to annotate & print family calendar at home on 8.5x11 paper (please improve for all to benefit) <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/RA3bLfsgtFg> Name a _single_ helpful tutorial you've written, Cybe(r) Wizard? o HINT: You can _only_ play silly childish semantic games out of context. You are a child, Cybe(r) Wizard. o You have never even _once_ contributed adult on-topic value to Usenet.
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 05:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <20190722054113.7491e3f6@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #57804 |
On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:01:55 -0000 (UTC) "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:21:46 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > > The instant that you show a viable list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials > > that YOU have written I will shut up about it FOREVER, I guarantee > > and promise. > > Hi Cybe(r) Wizard, > > 10,001 So, no, you can't show that list, just as I figured. It seems that you /ARE/ a lying duplicitous conniver after all. OK, there's no surprise there. We've all known it all along. -- Cybe R. Wizard My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS My other car is a Chandler MetalSmith Mark III Cybe R. Wizard
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2019-07-21 00:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gphoo3Ft3raU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57750 |
On 2019-07-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <qgv8v1$t4h$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder ><arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > >>> If you are going to use cloud services, use encryption on all >>> materials you store there. >> >> Hehheh... I've said that many times, where I suggest to the Apple >> users that they should encrypt their files using any free multi-level >> encryption such as those afforded by Veracrypt/Truecrypt containers - >> where nospam constantly brazen claims (wrongly so) that Apple already >> provides Veracrypt-style encrypted file containers natively (which is >> just dead wrong on his part). > > once again, you are lying. > > i *never* said apple provides veracrypt-style containers. > > other companies do not provide that either, including google. > > what i said was that everything on ios devices is fully encrypted, as > is everything in icloud for that matter, which is *much* better than > what you propose. And for critical data, it's encrypted with a key that only exists on the owner's device itself. Not even Apple employees can access that data. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-21 10:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qh1dfl$mfe$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57789 |
On 21 Jul 2019 00:08:35 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote: > And for critical data, it's encrypted with a key that only exists on the > owner's device itself. Not even Apple employees can access that data. Hi Jolly Roger, Both you and nospam only know the bullshit Apple Marketing feeds you. o Neither of you have ANY CONCEPT of what an encrypted file container does. HINT: Encrypted file containers work on _all_ 5 consumer platforms. HINT: Encrypted file containers can be uploaded to cloud storage. HINT: Encrypted file containers can be saved on networked storage. HINT: Encrypted file containers can be opened & edited on _any_ platform. HINT: Encrypted file containers use freeware on all 5 consumer platforms. HINT: Encrypted file containers can have a hidden container inside. HINT: Encrypted file containers can be any size you want to make them. etc. REFERENCE: o <https://www.veracrypt.fr/en/Beginner%27s%20Tutorial.html> The only thing Jolly Roger & nospam know is what Apple MARKETING feeds them
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| From | 123456789 <12345@12345.com> |
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| Date | 2019-07-21 09:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qh2300$pf5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57794 |
Arlen G. Holder wrote: > 123456789 wrote: >> A good in-house fire (or earthquake) might defeat that >> strategy. > MARKETING plays to your fear; not to your logic. Off site data protection is just good sense. No marketing necessary. > I live in the HIGHEST fire danger zone and the HIGHEST > earthquake danger zone in the state of California - and > I'm not worried in the least about my data storage Even if your in-house data survives the fire you may lose physical access to it for a time (perhaps months?). My cloud data is accessible (almost) anyplace, anytime, and on any device. > What's the chance your cloud data will be hacked? Nearly > 100% Since you have no link I will ASSume that % is a your GUESS. My GUESS is that my cloud account being only one out of the hundreds of millions of accounts that my provider services my chances of (un-targeted) hacking is more near to zero. > What's the chance your house will burn down? Nearly 0% Agreed. But I still carry homeowners insurance... > MARKETING plays to your fear; not to your logic. I think logic is more my reason for my cloud data backup and marketing just happens to agree with me in this case... ;)
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-21 20:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qh2gbj$jkl$2@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57800 |
On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:13:51 -0700, 123456789 wrote: > Off site data protection is just good sense. No marketing > necessary. Hi 123456789, Be advised - I'm going to be blunt with you below o *Since the point is that there's NO ADVANTAGE to your solution.* What amazes me is how you people seem to turn your brains completely off o Which is why you and people like you love to use the cloud (I posit). See this thread, which posits that the dumber someone appears to be, the more they tend to love to store their private data on the cloud: o Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the Internet (if so, for what gain?) <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/mBIZ-8jGdmk/aLDJkSJQAAAJ> What amazes me is the utter lack of sensible logic in what you suggest. o Does it NOT occur to you that the cloud storage WILL be hacked? How can you people who turn your brains off in order to use the cloud ALWAYS fail to realize that storing an encrypted drive in a safe deposit box (or any other safe location) is utterly trivial? (IMHO) There are ZERO advantages to storing your personal data on the cloud, that any intelligent adult can't figure out simply by storing their personal data intelligently, OFF the cloud. If _you_ can figure out an advantage - then let me know o As nothing you suggest is any better than what I already wrote And, in fact, everything you propose is far worse. > Even if your in-house data survives the fire you may lose > physical access to it for a time (perhaps months?). My cloud > data is accessible (almost) anyplace, anytime, and on any > device. See above. Name _any_ advantage the cloud has over the suggested offline solution. o Name just one. > Since you have no link I will ASSume that % is a your GUESS. Yup. o Chance of your storage being hacked is just about 100% (IMHO). o Chance of your safe deposit box being hacked is far lower (IMHO). o Chance of your copy at home being hacked is even lower still (IMHO). If you need "instant access" to your data when there ISN'T a fire or earthquake, the logic is so simple that even you can figure it out, which is to maintain an offline encrypted copy at home - and - then - at your convenience, drop off an encrypted copy at the local bank for safekeeping. This is where encrypted file containers excel, by the way: o Best freeware for portable encrypted file containers <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/cas1QJ_j2uI/4Uut0HGrBgAJ> > My GUESS is that my cloud account being only one out of the > hundreds of millions of accounts that my provider > services my chances of (un-targeted) hacking is more near to > zero. Do you claim that ANY of the main half dozen personal cloud storage companies have NOT been hit by hackers (today & forever in the future)? And what is your claim for those same sites, for zero-day vulnerabilities that you're completely unaware of today, and forever in the future? >> What's the chance your house will burn down? Nearly 0% > > Agreed. But I still carry homeowners insurance... I don't. o I don't have earthquake insurance (too expensive) o I only have fire insurance (not anything else whatsoever). Same with my cars: o I don't insure the car for damage o I only insure for liability You insure only that which you can't afford to replace. You're using the "cloud storage" for "insurance". o I get that. My argument is that you're using faulty logic. o All I ask of anyone - are facts - and then sentient logic. *ADVANTAGES of PERSONAL CLOUD STORAGE* o Convenient (you can turn your brain off completely in fact) o Fast (it's always there - for you - and for the hackers) o Available (it's available when you're on the road). o Insurance (it's still there even after your house burns down). *DISADVANTAGES of PERSONAL CLOUD STORAGE* o It will be hacked - (my assessment & that of others) *ADVANTAGE of LOCAL ENCRYPTED PERSONAL CONTAINER STORAGE* o Convenient (but you need to be intelligent about it) o Fast (it's always there - at home - and on your mobile device) o Available (it's available on your mobile when you're on the road). o Insurance (it's still there even after your house burns down). *DISADVANTAGES of LOCAL ENCRYPTED PERSONAL CONTAINER STORAGE* o You have to put your brain in gear to come up with a plan >> MARKETING plays to your fear; not to your logic. > > I think logic is more my reason for my cloud data backup and > marketing just happens to agree with me in this case... ;) Let's talk logic since logic and facts are what I'm about. Advantage of cloud storage _must_ be huge to the big six, right? o What is that advantage? As far as anyone can tell, what has been _proposed_ is: a. They mine your data (which is a bad thing for you) b. They want to rent you back your data (which is a bad thing for you) Hmmmm... what ELSE is the reason _they_ give you personal storage?
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| From | 123456789 <12345@12345.com> |
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| Date | 2019-07-21 14:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qh2lmd$77d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57805 |
Arlen G. Holder wrote: > 123456789 wrote: >> Off site data protection is just good sense. > See this thread...https://groups.google.com/... You must be getting pretty desperate when you cite Google Groups. > Does it NOT occur to you that the cloud storage WILL be > hacked? I don't doubt that someone's cloud account may get hacked. IMO the odds are hundreds of millions to one that mine will. But just in case, I also encrypt the sensitive stuff. > storing an encrypted drive in a safe deposit box (or any > other safe location) is utterly trivial? Safe deposit box drive storage can't be instantly updated and can't be instantly accessed (most) anytime, anywhere, and on any device. > (IMHO) There are ZERO advantages to storing your > personal data on the cloud, IMHO? Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But I thought you only dealt in facts... > Name _any_ advantage the cloud has over the suggested > offline solution. Name just one. One? How about that cloud data can be instantly accessed/updated from (most) anywhere you happen to be. That could be handy if your house is under hundreds of tons of concrete from a recent earthquake and you haven't been to the bank in awhile to update the hard drive. > If you need "instant access" to your data when there > ISN'T a fire or earthquake... maintain an offline > encrypted copy at home - and - then - at your > convenience, drop off an encrypted copy at the local > bank for safekeeping. Having to drive to the bank does not sound that convenient to me. Convenience is updating my cloud drive from my phone while a 1000 miles from home. > Do you claim that ANY of the main half dozen personal > cloud storage companies have NOT been hit by hackers > (today & forever in the future)? No. > And what is your claim for those same sites, for > zero-day vulnerabilities that you're completely unaware > of today, and forever in the future? No claims. And I doubt the hackers would like my easy listening music collection anyway. > I only have [home] fire insurance (not anything else > whatsoever). Not a problem if you have few assets that can be lost in a liability lawsuit. > o I don't insure the car for damage only insure for > liability So why not liability for your house? > You're using the "cloud storage" for "insurance". And convenience. > It will be hacked [cloud] - (my assessment & that of > others) Of course. And a house in your county will be burglarized. But the chances are good it won't be yours. So you feel secure (I think) in storing your stuff there. > Let's talk logic since logic and facts are what I'm > about. You seem to have a lot of IMHOs in this post for being a fact man...
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 08:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qh3rup$15m$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57806 |
On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 14:32:58 -0700, 123456789 wrote: > You must be getting pretty desperate when you cite Google > Groups. Hi 123456789, You just lost all credibility if you really think Usenet is Google Groups. o You apparently simply bought too many childish arguments this week. And, all your arguments are driven by unrealistic FEAR - not actual logic. o The MARKETING of the cloud storage solutions has easily won your brain. > I don't doubt that someone's cloud account may get hacked. Every cloud service will be hacked - IMHO. o That's half the reason to NEVER store any personal data in cloud storage. If you can claim that none of the big six will be hacked o Then make that claim. > IMO the odds are hundreds of millions to one that mine > will. But just in case, I also encrypt the sensitive stuff. What encryption tool do you use? o I ask because I strongly suspect you're just making that up. > Safe deposit box drive storage can't be instantly updated > and can't be instantly accessed (most) anytime, anywhere, > and on any device. You completely missed the point - which was your own point. o For heaven's sake, you were talking about FIRE & EARTHQUAKE. Did you purchase too many arguments this week? o For Fire & Earthquake - you don't need "instant" access to your data. You just need your data. > IMHO? Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. But I > thought you only dealt in facts... You're proving more and more you bought too many arguments this week. o I listed *clearly* the known ADVANTAGES & DISADVANTAGES The fact you have no adult response to that listing - is telling. > One? How about that cloud data can be instantly > accessed/updated from (most) anywhere you happen to be. We already proved you can do that sans cloud storage, if you're intelligent o What are some key common databases you often SHARE between your desktop & mobile devices? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/fbtSgT0AiP0/Bwb_tsmeBwAJ> o Do you have a working cross-platform PASSWD database for Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, & Android on your home LAN? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/iIjcGCYnm-E/HV1B82nlBwAJ> o Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the Internet (if so, for what gain?) <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/mBIZ-8jGdmk/1mL3E8JlAAAJ> o Do you have a working freeware automatic sync between Android & Windows? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/7aOWwoEwsZ0/3f5qTpwBAgAJ> o Has anyone here ever set up a CalDAV server on Windows for use with Android CalDAV clients? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/52iSsFUQinE/AflgVrHVEAAJ> IMHO, cloud storage suffers from these major flaws o Your private data _will_ be hacked o The less intelligent you are - the more you gravitate to cloud storage o Cloud storage providers are making money off your ineptitude > That could be handy if your house is under hundreds of tons > of concrete from a recent earthquake and you haven't been to > the bank in awhile to update the hard drive. Your own argument instantly fails your own tests. Two things are clear about your argument.... o It doesn't hold water - even against its own tests, and, o Your only response to valid concerns is to assume a catastrophe Notice - you're driven by unrealistic FEAR & not logic. > Having to drive to the bank does not sound that convenient > to me. Convenience is updating my cloud drive from my phone > while a 1000 miles from home. You completely whooshed on the adult arguments o You drop to the level of a child, in the face of an adult discussion. Let me spell out the simple logic for your brain to comprehend 1. The logic is that, for earthquakes, you store the disk off site 2. The logic is that, for instant access, you access your data instantly What part of that adult logic didn't you comprehend yet? o HINT: You think Usenet is Google Groups for Christs' sake. You didn't even _read_ the references quoted! BTW, I perfectly understand your logic for using cloud storage. 1. You are driven by FEAR - not by logic, and, 2. You gravitate to highly marketed cloud-storage solutions. HINT: They market those solutions for a reason (and it's not you). > No claims. And I doubt the hackers would like my easy > listening music collection anyway. Now you're just stammering like a child since the point is your personal data, not your music collection. We already covered what we mean by personal data (e.g., passwords, contacts, calendar, medical records, etc.), but, of course, you think that any reference on Usenet is "Google Groups", so all that adult logic was lost on you. Why don't you look at just _one_ of the references we provided? o What are some key common databases you often SHARE between your desktop & mobile devices? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/fbtSgT0AiP0/Bwb_tsmeBwAJ> >> You're using the "cloud storage" for "insurance". > And convenience. You must realize I perfectly well understand why people like you gravitate to highly marketed cloud storage solutions. It takes intelligence & effort to come up with a working private solution. > Of course. And a house in your county will be burglarized. > But the chances are good it won't be yours. So you feel > secure (I think) in storing your stuff there. I don't harbor the same kind of debilitating FEAR that you harbor. o Your unreasonable FEAR is why you gravitate to highly marketed solutions. > You seem to have a lot of IMHOs in this post for being a > fact man... In summary: You explained perfectly why you gravitate to highly marketed solutions o You are driven by sheer fear - and - you turn your brain off. The disadvantage of your approach is: 1. Your private data _will_ be hacked, and, 2. The big six are making money off people like you & your data. The question is how.
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 05:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <20190722054913.56fc44f3@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #57807 |
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:26:02 -0000 (UTC) "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > IMHO You've miss-initialized, "bumbling." You should have written, "IMBO." "In <your> BUMBLING Opinion." -- Cybe R. Wizard "I have likely written over ten thousand tutorials, where at my last company, I wrote over five thousand alone. On the Internet, I don't know how many I have, but if you assume that I write one a day sometimes, and at least one a week, I have many thousands " lie by Arlen Holder
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 12:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnqjbb9l.ds3.dan@djph.net> |
| In reply to | #57811 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:26:02 -0000 (UTC) > "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > >> IMHO > > You've miss-initialized, "bumbling." You should have written, "IMBO." Wait, doesn't he only work with "facts"? Add this to his list of lies, Cybe :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAl01rR8ACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooFY9QgAmrv1Lw7x8wRgyaufkOITs++74pcqhy8bxqJ0ThJPGgacEsBy+xkjgDEA x3B1ScnXV0aFLI5EysP0L0WU2TgRgAAg6Pbu/2kbXrGNU6tu4zYaAwNizxExdNfc YHIRahY1p97+bRNmGFEHXOc6FdJ3cYaAyd25aray3TVqk1J9h+pk/6Wc0+TMka1q adtZqrAJ242bEl2P16Crw358fUu82VlZf3hvM/Eef6ZRPlf6iPp75N3bF1YuYqv7 m7VVEev/rwzEsid6lGhlbNAHQWPs7WORIUk2AW7qzS8WJUxqLHxFdXkXTrkp3hDe 8gDBLg9Pc9aTQoC06ahVGIVQX3/dMQ== =/X+Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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| From | 123456789 <12345@12345.com> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 08:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qh4l5d$tav$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57807 |
Arlen G. Holder wrote > What encryption tool do you use? FolderLatch > For Fire & Earthquake - you don't need "instant" access > to your data. I use my cloud drive virtually every day and instant access is important to me. That it would also survive a fire or earthquake is a bonus. > Do you have a working cross-platform PASSWD database for > Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, & Android on your home LAN? Nope. At home I now mostly use this Chromebook that I'm posting with, which is directly synced to my cloud account. My W10 laptop and all my Android devices (tablets and phone) are also synced. Changes made to any one are reflected to all. Very convenient. In case of a cloud failure (or screw up on my part) I also keep a weekly dump to a local hard drive. > You didn't even _read_ the references quoted! Your referencing of Google Groups Usenet?? Snicker... > IMHO, cloud storage suffers from these major flaws o Your > private data _will_ be hacked o The less intelligent you > are - the more you gravitate to cloud storage o Cloud > storage providers are making money off your ineptitude The majority of you posts continue to be opinion and insults (snipped). Where's the beef...
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 19:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qh549p$73q$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57817 |
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:36:11 -0700, 123456789 wrote: Hi 123456789, > FolderLatch Thank you for acting like an adult in your response, where, long-time readers will note, I always mirror the implied intent of the post whenever I response (it's a classic technique taught in schools to use on bullies). In addition to posting as an adult should, I thank you for stating what you use, since most of us, AFAIK, used TrueCrypt for a very long time until "something strange" happened, and we moved to VeraCrypt - where I go to the trouble to provide the URLs so that others, reading this now and in the future, can benefit from the added value: o How to Create and Use a VeraCrypt Container <https://www.veracrypt.fr/en/Beginner%27s%20Tutorial.html> o How to Create and Use a TrueCrypt Container <https://www.truecrypt71a.com/documentation/beginners-tutorial/> Some may use BitLocker but I see that as a different use model: o A beginner's guide to BitLocker, Windows' built-in encryption tool <https://www.pcworld.com/article/2308725/a-beginners-guide-to-bitlocker-windows-built-in-encryption-tool.html> I hadn't heard of "FolderLatch" so I'm glad you brought it up, as Usenet is a Potluck where everyone brings whatever adult value they can share. This is apparently the canonical location for FolderLatch freeware: o <http://folderlatch.com/> One huge drawback that seems to be with FolderLatch (and BitLocker) methodologies, is that it's not a cross-platform solution, which means, if that's true, that you can't open/edit the encrypted container on all the other common consumer platforms (e.g., Android, iOS, Mac, & Linux). "Folder Latch is compatible for all Microsoft OS (Windows 9x, ME, 200x, XP and Vista). With Folder Latch you can protect any folder up to 4 GB (Folder/Files must have "Full permission" rights to avoid from protecting other's folder." While I don't see any advantage of FolderLatch over VeraCrypt, it's still nice to know that it exists - so I appreciate that you posted that info, since every post exposes people to criticism (which I know all too well). The fact you supported your claim is important for your credibility so I apologize for insinuating that you just made it up (which all too many people on Usenet do all day, every day). >> For Fire & Earthquake - you don't need "instant" access >> to your data. > > I use my cloud drive virtually every day and instant access > is important to me. That it would also survive a fire or > earthquake is a bonus. Bear in mind I fully and completely realize why most people naturally gravitate to the highly marketed cloud personal-storage solutions. a. It's easy because it's designed to work easily b. It works from anywhere and everywhere c. And, if needed, it survives your device being destroyed The question in this thread is at what cost? > >> Do you have a working cross-platform PASSWD database for >> Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, & Android on your home LAN? > > Nope. At home I now mostly use this Chromebook that I'm > posting with, which is directly synced to my cloud > account. My W10 laptop and all my Android devices (tablets > and phone) are also synced. Changes made to any one are > reflected to all. Very convenient. Thanks for hazarding your solution, where, Lord knows, I propose solutions all the time, where I know full well that simply stating a solution is risking criticism from other people. I apologize if I criticized you too harshly in the prior post, as you got me off on the wrong foot with the Google Groups claim on what Usenet was all about (it seemed to be a reason for you to NOT read the references). Speaking of references, I fully realize that coming up with our own working password solution is MORE WORK AND EFFORT than simply using something highly marketed such as LastPass, where this post, only moments ago, underscores the fact that it takes intelligence & effort to come up with a working password solution that does NOT use the Internet: o *Do you SYNCHRONIZE keepass kdbx files between Windows & Android?* <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/Rw7OH-Wk-Dk> Note that this questeion pertains to Linux also, but I find myself using Linux less and less nowadays, save for emergencies when I need the full power that Linux affords us (e.g., for Caldav calendar database servers). > In case of a cloud failure (or screw up on my part) I also > keep a weekly dump to a local hard drive. I admit, I've screwed up quite a few times on backups, mostly from pulling out the USB cable too soon and having to then recover all the files. It's odd that mobile devices NEVER seem to have this problem that Windows has with USB sticks - where I use the mobile device almost exactly as a USB stick (use model wise), over MTP or over Linux (to use iOS as a USB stick). >> You didn't even _read_ the references quoted! > > Your referencing of Google Groups Usenet?? Snicker... I'll let that pass where I fully understand that you didn't realize that Google Groups and Usenet are two completely different things - which a LOT of people don't seem to realize. Rest assured, I provided references in those Usenet posts since my philosophy is that every post "should" add value to share to the Potluck that is Usenet. Google Groups just happens to be a way to archive these reference posts o <http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android> o <http://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone> o <http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-ipad> o <http://tinyurl.com/comp-sys-mac-system> o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux> o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-freeware> o <http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10> etc. One major flaw is that Google doesn't archive Windows newsgroups well. There's also narkive for the same purpose, but it has huge issues too: o <http://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com> o <http://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com> o <http://comp.mobile.ipad.narkive.com> o <http://comp.sys.mac.system.narkive.com> o <http://alt.os.linux.narkive.com> o <http://alt.comp.freeware.narkive.com> o <http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com> etc/ >> IMHO, cloud storage suffers from these major flaws o Your >> private data _will_ be hacked o The less intelligent you >> are - the more you gravitate to cloud storage o Cloud >> storage providers are making money off your ineptitude > > The majority of you posts continue to be opinion and insults > (snipped). Where's the beef... Let's stay on topic 123456789, There is no doubt the bix six highly market their personal cloud storage. The question is HOW DO THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY? *CONSUMER CLOUD PROVIDERS* <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q9VZrMf/storage.jpg> 1. GoogleDrive aka GoogleOne (15GB) 2. Box (10GB) 3. AmazonDrive (5GB) 4. OneDrive (5GB) 5. iCloud (5GB) 6. DropBox (2GB) It seems, from the responses, they make their money two ways: a. They sell your (meta?) data, and, b. They upsell you (so that you rent your data back from them). Does anyone disagree with that conclusion? Does anyone have _better_ information on their sales model than that? Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q9VZrMf/storage.jpg>
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| From | "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 21:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <e76cje15ib5qsrmlql6lbm5jj10dftdeir@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #57827 |
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:54:34 -0000 (UTC), "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: >Thank you for acting like an adult in your response, where, long-time >readers will note, I always mirror the implied intent of the post whenever >I response (it's a classic technique taught in schools to use on bullies). Cats never doubt our superiority over the opponent. Our illiberal nature precludes us having any thoughts regarding rehabilitation of the offender, we simply tease them a little, or a lot, and come the moment when we tire of running the little mortified creatures ragged or we are distracted by the elegance of a passing, swirling, wind born leaf, we dispatch them, or not, as suits our capricious character. Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. -- p-0.0-h the cat Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat, Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy, Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath, the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infâme, the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll, shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook, smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag, liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav, punk ass dole whore troll, no nothing innumerate religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal lesbian, the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball. NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery. By Appointment to God Frank-Lin. Signature integrity check md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896 I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
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| From | Shit the Cat <supersecret@IPaddress.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 21:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ka8cje9cbq5n88084g7u9ir1vm6mkgegun@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #57830 |
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:43:03 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:54:34 -0000 (UTC), "Arlen G. Holder" ><arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > >>Thank you for acting like an adult in your response, where, long-time >>readers will note, I always mirror the implied intent of the post whenever >>I response (it's a classic technique taught in schools to use on bullies). > >Cats never doubt our superiority over the opponent. Our illiberal nature >precludes us having any thoughts regarding rehabilitation of the >offender, we simply tease them a little, or a lot, and come the moment >when we tire of running the little mortified creatures ragged or we are >distracted by the elegance of a passing, swirling, wind born leaf, we >dispatch them, or not, as suits our capricious character. Naughty Pooh. Mirroring Arlen like that. >Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. -- Shit the cat Webmeister in waiting Copyright theft advisor http://shitsworld.com
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| From | "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 21:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5e8cjepn78had5q0nl1ntc51pqebcmbcf7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #57831 |
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:51:04 +0100, Shit the Cat <supersecret@IPaddress.invalid> wrote: >On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:43:03 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" ><super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote: > >>On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:54:34 -0000 (UTC), "Arlen G. Holder" >><arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: >> >>>Thank you for acting like an adult in your response, where, long-time >>>readers will note, I always mirror the implied intent of the post whenever >>>I response (it's a classic technique taught in schools to use on bullies). >> >>Cats never doubt our superiority over the opponent. Our illiberal nature >>precludes us having any thoughts regarding rehabilitation of the >>offender, we simply tease them a little, or a lot, and come the moment >>when we tire of running the little mortified creatures ragged or we are >>distracted by the elegance of a passing, swirling, wind born leaf, we >>dispatch them, or not, as suits our capricious character. > >Naughty Pooh. Mirroring Arlen like that. Dear boy, I upped the tone from bathroom bargain basement to antique surface silvered. Class, it can't be taught. It's something one is born with. >>Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly. -- p-0.0-h the cat Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat, Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy, Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath, the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infâme, the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll, shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook, smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag, liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav, punk ass dole whore troll, no nothing innumerate religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal lesbian, the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball. NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery. By Appointment to God Frank-Lin. Signature integrity check md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896 I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
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| From | 123456789 <12345@12345.com> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 15:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qh5bv0$8hc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57827 |
Arlen G. Holder wrote: > The question in this thread is at what cost [cloud > drive]? Two bucks a month for me. > Google Groups and Usenet are two completely different > things Not entirely. Google Groups can be used for posting just like a dedicated Usenet server. It just doesn't carry all the Usenet groups. And we do see groupies using its services here occasionally. > Google Groups just happens to be a way to archive these > reference posts Yes, very handy as was Deja News before it. I just don't consider Usenet posts as good reference material since anyone can post any unverified claim. YMMV. > They [cloud drive providers] upsell you (so that you rent > your data back from them). I pay for phone service, internet service, cable service, electric service, etc. I don't see the difference in that and paying for a cloud drive service. > Does anyone have _better_ information on their sales > model than that? You make sales and selling a product sound dirty. But that's how our free market system (US) works. I knew what I was getting when I signed up and still think I'm getting a good deal for my two bucks. I wish the rest of my services were that cheap...
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| From | Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 09:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qh3uj5$njd$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org> |
| In reply to | #57805 |
On 2019-07-21, Arlen G. Holder <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: Seeing as I am back on your shit list without cause, I see no reason to continue any pretense of respect. > Be advised - I'm going to be blunt with you below Dude, you were never sharp. -- When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 20:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qh554b$8ck$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57808 |
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:11:01 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote:
> Seeing as I am back on your shit list without cause, I see no reason
> to continue any pretense of respect.
Hi Jasen Betts,
I like that you mirrored my implied intent, as that's a well established
technique for handling bullies - which - as you're aware - abound on
Usenet.
That inclusion of you in the list of worthless trolls is a list I maintain
separately in my Usenet folder - where - I don't revisit the list often.
If you post as an adult would, I'd be perfectly happy to remove you from
that list - as it's a fluid list - where - since we're all adults here -
there are no hard feelings.
For example, if Jolly Roger or Rene Lamantagne or, heaven forbid, Cybe(r)
Wizard were to, all of a sudden, post as adults do, I'd be _happy_ to
remove them from the list.
Remember, we've all been on Usenet for decades - so we have our own methods
of handling the cowardly bullies - where my methods are clear that I
confront them - but only in the thread that I author (leaving them free to
troll the hell out of Usenet otherwise - as I know the old adage as ell as
anyone to not feed them).
The list is merely my database for flagging their posts as not useful, so I
generally don't have to waste any of my valuable time reading what almost
always amounts to childish drivel of no on-topic value whatsoever.
For example, excluding your post above, here's a list of those who didn't
post a _single_ shred of on-topic value to this thread alone:
o From: "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
o From: Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
o From: "Boris T." <bt@lsd.invalid>
o From: Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
o From: David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net>
o From: "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid>
In the case of Dan Purgert, once in a while he actually acts like an adult,
but clearly he did not do so in this thread, as he added exactly zero
on-topic technical value - which is to say his posts were of negative
value. Pooh sometimes acts like an adult also. The rest never do.
Notice I simply point to what THEY write - which is why they hate me.
o They hate the truth about themselves (I simply point to what they write)
Also notice, if they troll other threads, I leave them alone.
o My strategy is to make their trolling "less fun" for them in MY threads.
Bear in mind, whenever ANY of these trolls infest a thread, it's ALREADY
ruined (they enjoy bringing a steaming pile of shit to the Usenet Potluck).
o Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
o Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
o Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch>
o BK@Onramp.net
o Beedle <Beedle@dont-email.me>
o "Boris T." <bt@lsd.invalid> (a common troll)
o Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
o Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
o Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
o "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> (always a child)
o Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> (sometimes, but only rarely posts as an adult)
o David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net> (a common troll)
o Davoud <star@sky.net>
o Diesel <me@privacy.net> (aka Dustin Cook)
o Elden <usenet@moondog.org>
o Elfin <elfinarc6@gmail.com> (aka Lloyd, aka Lloyd Parsons)
o Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net> Jeff
o John Gabriel <NoSpam@nospam.net> (can only troll)
o *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>
o joe <none@domain.invalid> (rarely, but sometimes posts as an adult would)
o Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
o Johan <JHvB@nospam.invalid>
o John Doe <always.look@message.header>
o John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
o John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>
o Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
o Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com>
o Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
o Lloyd <elfinarc6@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
o Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
o Meanie <Me@gmail.com>
o nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> (bullshits more than anyone on Usenet)
o Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net>
o "pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com> Peter Wieck, Melrose Park, PA
o Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> (always posts as a child would post)
o "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> (aka Rudy Wieser) (always a child)
o Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
o shemp14@outlook.com
o Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> (aka Michael Glasser, troll's troll)
o Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
o Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net>
o Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> (always posts as a child)
o Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
o et al.
My strategy is to confront them ONLY on threads I care about.
o I don't feed them on threads that I don't care come to a conclusion
Overall, the strategy works (although trolls like Rene and Wolf insist on
proving their right to troll sometimes) in that when I come in with a new
nym, they are all over the thread like flies to shit - but - once they
figure out that I show them to be utter fools so easily and instantly -
they generally back off - since all they can do is "+1" the other trolls.
Notice, that childish "+1" stuff they did on _this_ thread?
Do you know why they do that?
o They have absolutely no adult value to add to _any_ technical topic.
They prove my point for me - I simply point to what they write.
Anyway, very few people post their strategy, as I do, where I mirror their
implied intent.
Since you seem to be offended that I pointed out your past mistakes, I will
REMOVE you from the list - where I will reserve the right to add you back
if you troll my threads in the future.
Note you're welcome to troll other threads - just don't troll mine please.
o You leave me alone - I leave you alone. Deal?
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| From | Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2019-07-23 10:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qh6m1i$6a6$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org> |
| In reply to | #57828 |
On 2019-07-22, Arlen G. Holder <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:11:01 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts wrote: > >> Seeing as I am back on your shit list without cause, I see no reason >> to continue any pretense of respect. > > I like that you mirrored my implied intent, as that's a well established > technique for handling bullies - which - as you're aware - abound on > Usenet. [much unred and deleted] I am somewhat impressed by yor abiity to produce walls of text. however the content is formulaic. if they seem uninteresting I will skip large chunks. > o You leave me alone - I leave you alone. Deal? I will not enter a contract with a proven liar. -- When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-07-22 07:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qh4gto$43v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57800 |
On 7/21/2019 9:13 AM, 123456789 wrote: >>> A good in-house fire (or earthquake) might defeat that strategy. > >> MARKETING plays to your fear; not to your logic. > > Off site data protection is just good sense. No marketing > necessary. > >> I live in the HIGHEST fire danger zone and the HIGHEST earthquake >> danger zone in the state of California - and I'm not worried in the >> least about my data storage > > Even if your in-house data survives the fire you may lose > physical access to it for a time (perhaps months?). My cloud > data is accessible (almost) anyplace, anytime, and on any > device. In the fires in California, the "fireproof safes" were anything but! One of these fires, Coffey Park, destroyed a residential neighborhood, after jumping a six lane freeway, it was not up in a forest somewhere. It's simple enough to encrypt files and then store them somewhere in the cloud. You probably don't have a huge number of files that even require encryption.
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