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| Started by | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| First post | 2019-07-18 17:26 +0000 |
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Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-18 17:26 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-07-18 15:32 -0400
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-07-20 22:34 +0200
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? lonelydad <lonelydad58@gmail.com> - 2019-07-19 00:29 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 16:18 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-18 20:41 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-19 18:54 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-07-19 20:40 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-19 23:57 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-19 20:27 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-07-20 23:54 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-07-20 07:47 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-07-20 12:01 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 14:37 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-07-20 11:02 -0400
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 16:13 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 13:21 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Boris T. <bt@lsd.invalid> - 2019-07-20 16:00 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-07-21 02:22 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 22:16 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-21 20:01 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-22 05:41 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-07-21 00:08 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-21 10:06 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-21 09:13 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-21 20:01 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-21 14:32 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-22 08:26 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-22 05:49 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-07-22 12:33 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-22 08:36 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-22 19:54 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2019-07-22 21:43 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Shit the Cat <supersecret@IPaddress.invalid> - 2019-07-22 21:51 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2019-07-22 21:54 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-22 15:05 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-07-22 09:11 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-22 20:08 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-07-23 10:03 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2019-07-22 07:23 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-22 20:42 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 10:22 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-07-20 11:34 -0400
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 10:44 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net> - 2019-07-20 20:14 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-07-20 19:29 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-07-20 15:45 -0500
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 21:07 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> - 2019-07-20 22:16 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net> - 2019-07-20 23:06 +0100
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-07-20 11:41 -0400
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 16:44 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-07-20 10:45 -0700
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> - 2019-07-20 20:55 +0000
Re: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? Tester <anfi@onet.eu> - 2019-07-23 20:48 +0000
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-18 17:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? |
| Message-ID | <qgqa3p$db1$1@news.mixmin.net> |
This question came up as a tangent to "cheap Android phones", which, by their nature, don't offer much by way of internal storage. o Looking for cheap Android phone..... <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/8-5aI_lSpHU> A key question that arises from that discussion is: Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway?
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| From | Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> |
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| Date | 2019-07-18 15:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <qgqhfu$188m$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #57702 |
On 7/18/19 1:26 PM, Arlen G. Holder wrote: > This question came up as a tangent to "cheap Android phones", which, by > their nature, don't offer much by way of internal storage. > o Looking for cheap Android phone..... > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/8-5aI_lSpHU> > > A key question that arises from that discussion is: > Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway? > The easy answer is that a seller will add on something extra free of charge to convince you to buy something. There are other, more difficult answers: 1. The cloud company wants something that it can get from your data: a. As simple and innocent as your name and address. b. Locations where you connect: if you are connecting from Miami Beach, they may provide that information to marketing partners- hotels, etc in Miami. c. The data itself. 2. The cloud company is offering free cloud storage for a period of time. When that period expires, you pay or lose your data. 3. Building brand loyalty. People tend to do business with companies they know from past transactions. If the cloud company starts to offer (or market) an app, you are more likely to buy from the cloud company than buy from an unknown company. Your question is really more a marketing question than a technology question. The same answers apply (sort of) whether it free cloud storage with your cell phone, or free floor mats when you buy a new car. -- Ken Hart kwhart1@frontier.com
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| From | Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 22:34 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qgvtte$ja7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57711 |
On 18/07/2019 21:32, Ken Hart wrote: > On 7/18/19 1:26 PM, Arlen G. Holder wrote: >> This question came up as a tangent to "cheap Android >> phones", which, by >> their nature, don't offer much by way of internal storage. >> o Looking for cheap Android phone..... >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/8-5aI_lSpHU> >> >> >> A key question that arises from that discussion is: >> Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud >> storage anyway? >> > > The easy answer is that a seller will add on something extra > free of charge to convince you to buy something. > > There are other, more difficult answers: > 1. The cloud company wants something that it can get from > your data: > a. As simple and innocent as your name and address. > b. Locations where you connect: if you are connecting > from Miami Beach, they may provide that information to > marketing partners- hotels, etc in Miami. > c. The data itself. > 2. The cloud company is offering free cloud storage for a > period of time. When that period expires, you pay or lose > your data. > > 3. Building brand loyalty. People tend to do business with > companies they know from past transactions. If the cloud > company starts to offer (or market) an app, you are more > likely to buy from the cloud company than buy from an > unknown company. and I would add : 4. At least, SPY (and sell) your data of every kind not really encripted :) The Big Brother is hungry of user data ! > > Your question is really more a marketing question than a > technology question. The same answers apply (sort of) > whether it free cloud storage with your cell phone, or free > floor mats when you buy a new car. > -- 1) Resistere, resistere, resistere. 2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato)
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| From | lonelydad <lonelydad58@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-07-19 00:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsAA90C638424EAlonelydad58gmailcom@69.16.179.29> |
| In reply to | #57702 |
"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote in news:qgqa3p$db1$1@news.mixmin.net: > This question came up as a tangent to "cheap Android phones", which, > by their nature, don't offer much by way of internal storage. > o Looking for cheap Android phone..... > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/8-5aI_lSpH > U> > > A key question that arises from that discussion is: > Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage > anyway? > Basically, they want you to get set up with their free space, so that when you realize you need more, you will be more likely to just rent it from them than shop around for the best deal. More than likelyl, they also get some consideration from their service host for the number of different users they have.
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 16:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qgvesi$775$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57723 |
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 00:29:08 GMT, lonelydad wrote: > Basically, they want you to get set up with their free space, so that when > you realize you need more, you will be more likely to just rent it from > them than shop around for the best deal. > > More than likelyl, they also get some consideration from their service host > for the number of different users they have. Hi lonelydad, Your adult on-topic response is well appreciated, as the trolls are really flying on this thread (since they have no on-topic value to add). I think you're correct as I don't see them making much money off anything else (although Google is big on meta data). They likely make their money just like a grocery store makes money on "two for one" sales, where they hope you'll buy more. So far, yours is the only conclusion that passes logical scrutiny; but let's await logical responses from others before we conclude that's how the free cloud storage outfits make their money.
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-18 20:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <20190718204142.4ddcae03@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #57702 |
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 17:26:18 -0000 (UTC) "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > This question came up as a tangent to "cheap Android phones", which, > by their nature, don't offer much by way of internal storage. > o Looking for cheap Android phone..... > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/8-5aI_lSpHU> > > A key question that arises from that discussion is: > Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage > anyway? ??? Seriously? Because they get free access to your data, of course. Additionally, they might get government funds to make constitutional guarantees of privacy moot. After all, almost all of these companies will knuckle under to any warrant offered up and besides, if you give your data away there's no guarantees remaining that are valid.. -- Cybe R. Wizard There is no cloud; there's only other peoples' computers.
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-19 18:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qgt3ls$6ac$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57724 |
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:41:42 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > Because they get free access to your data, of course. Yes, they get your data - but how do they BENEFIT from getting it? Who are "they" anyway? Googling....this is from 2015 so it may be dated... o The 25 Most Valuable Cloud Computing Companies Are Worth Way More Than You'd Think <https://www.businessinsider.com/25-most-valuable-cloud-companies-2015-1> Oh oh ... when they say "cloud services", they mean other things, e.g., #1: Salesforce 36 billion, It offers cloud-based customer relationship management and marketing software. #2: LinkedIn: 28 billion, LinkedIn is a social network for business professionals that offers cloud-based recruiting software. #3: Workday: $15 billion, Workday offers cloud-based human resources and finance software. etc. Changing that Google search a bit, we get: o The Best Free Cloud Storage Services for Backup in 2019 <https://www.lifewire.com/free-cloud-storage-1356638> SIDENOTE: Sometimes I wonder if they don't just CHANGE the title every year, from o The Best Free Cloud Storage Services for Backup in 2017 o The Best Free Cloud Storage Services for Backup in 2018 o The Best Free Cloud Storage Services for Backup in 2019 etc. Anyway, they list as the top five: 1: Mega <https://mega.nz/> 2: pCloud <https://www.pcloud.com/> 3: MediaFire <https://www.mediafire.com/upgrade/> 4: DropBox <https://www.dropbox.com/individual/plans-comparison> 5: Box <https://account.box.com> Hmmmm.... I'm surprised that Apple, Google, and Microsoft aren't there. Looking forward...we FINALLY get to the big boys... 6: FlipDrive <https://www.flipdrive.com/site/pricing> 7: GoogleDrive <https://www.google.com/drive/> 8: OneDrive <https://onedrive.live.com/about/en-us/plans/> 9: YandexDisk <https://disk.yandex.com/> 10: Sync <https://www.sync.com/> So that accounts for three of the four big boys, but where's Apple? 11: JumpShare <https://jumpshare.com/pricing> 12: MyDrive <https://www.mydrive.ch/> 13: Amazon Drive <https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/home> 14: TencentCloud <https://www.weiyun.com/> 15: Degoo <https://degoo.com/> Hmmmmmm.... we have Amazon, DropBox, Microsoft, Google, but still no Apple. Why would Apple not be represented in the top cloud storage solutions? ??: Apple iCloud <https://www.apple.com/icloud/>
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| From | William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2019-07-19 20:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qgt9sn$hgt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57734 |
On 2019-07-19, Arlen G. Holder <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:41:42 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > >> Because they get free access to your data, of course. > > Yes, they get your data - but how do they BENEFIT from getting it? They sell it to whomever. Advertisers kwho want to know all about you. Political parties who want to tailor their lies to your prejudices. Governments who want to know what you think and do. > > Who are "they" anyway? YOu were the one that asked. > > Googling....this is from 2015 so it may be dated... > o The 25 Most Valuable Cloud Computing Companies Are Worth Way More Than You'd Think ><https://www.businessinsider.com/25-most-valuable-cloud-companies-2015-1> > > Oh oh ... when they say "cloud services", they mean other things, e.g., > #1: Salesforce 36 billion, It offers cloud-based customer relationship > management and marketing software. > > #2: LinkedIn: 28 billion, LinkedIn is a social network for business > professionals that offers cloud-based recruiting software. > > #3: Workday: $15 billion, Workday offers cloud-based human resources and > finance software. > etc. > > Changing that Google search a bit, we get: > o The Best Free Cloud Storage Services for Backup in 2019 ><https://www.lifewire.com/free-cloud-storage-1356638> > > SIDENOTE: Sometimes I wonder if they don't just CHANGE the title every > year, from > o The Best Free Cloud Storage Services for Backup in 2017 > o The Best Free Cloud Storage Services for Backup in 2018 > o The Best Free Cloud Storage Services for Backup in 2019 > etc. > > Anyway, they list as the top five: > 1: Mega <https://mega.nz/> > 2: pCloud <https://www.pcloud.com/> > 3: MediaFire <https://www.mediafire.com/upgrade/> > 4: DropBox <https://www.dropbox.com/individual/plans-comparison> > 5: Box <https://account.box.com> > > Hmmmm.... I'm surprised that Apple, Google, and Microsoft aren't there. > Looking forward...we FINALLY get to the big boys... > 6: FlipDrive <https://www.flipdrive.com/site/pricing> > 7: GoogleDrive <https://www.google.com/drive/> > 8: OneDrive <https://onedrive.live.com/about/en-us/plans/> > 9: YandexDisk <https://disk.yandex.com/> > 10: Sync <https://www.sync.com/> > > So that accounts for three of the four big boys, but where's Apple? > 11: JumpShare <https://jumpshare.com/pricing> > 12: MyDrive <https://www.mydrive.ch/> > 13: Amazon Drive <https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/home> > 14: TencentCloud <https://www.weiyun.com/> > 15: Degoo <https://degoo.com/> > > Hmmmmmm.... we have Amazon, DropBox, Microsoft, Google, but still no Apple. > > Why would Apple not be represented in the top cloud storage solutions? > ??: Apple iCloud <https://www.apple.com/icloud/>
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-19 23:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qgtldv$4a0$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57736 |
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:40:55 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote: >> Yes, they get your data - but how do they BENEFIT from getting it? > > They sell it to whomever. Advertisers kwho want to know all about you. > Political parties who want to tailor their lies to your prejudices. > Governments who want to know what you think and do. Is that really true William Unruh that they "sell your data"? I think, as I recall, you're a professor of physics, as I recall, but I might be wrong. If you are, that means you can certainly follow complex equations. Each term in a complex equation has specific meaning - which is important. When you say they "sell your data", do you mean 'data' or 'meta data'? The reason I ask is that they're quite different where, I don't think they actually sell your data outright (except under subpoena), do they? > > Who are "they" anyway? > YOu were the one that asked. I don't put ANY of my data on the cloud if I can help it. So I'm asking about the OTHERS who DO put their data on the cloud - which ones they use.
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-19 20:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <20190719202733.7e8bbfe4@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #57738 |
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 23:57:52 -0000 (UTC) "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:40:55 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote: > > >> Yes, they get your data - but how do they BENEFIT from getting > >> it? > > > > They sell it to whomever. Advertisers kwho want to know all about > > you. Political parties who want to tailor their lies to your > > prejudices. Governments who want to know what you think and do. > > Is that really true William Unruh that they "sell your data"? > > I think, as I recall, you're a professor of physics, as I recall, but > I might be wrong. > > If you are, that means you can certainly follow complex equations. > Each term in a complex equation has specific meaning - which is > important. > > When you say they "sell your data", do you mean 'data' or 'meta data'? > > The reason I ask is that they're quite different where, I don't think > they actually sell your data outright (except under subpoena), do > they? > > > > Who are "they" anyway? > > YOu were the one that asked. > > I don't put ANY of my data on the cloud if I can help it. > So I'm asking about the OTHERS who DO put their data on the cloud - > which ones they use. I assume that you know that what you said there was not in the least akin to the question you originally asked. In Message-ID: <qgqa3p$db1$1@news.mixmin.net> you asked: ------------ "Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway?" ------------ Shift goalposts much? What do you /REALLY/ want to know? -- Cybe R. Wizard Beliefs are the diluting ice cubes in the chilled chardonnay of experience. Zorg
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 23:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <gphntgFt3raU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #57739 |
On 2019-07-20, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote: > > I assume that you know that what you said there was not in the least > akin to the question you originally asked. > > In Message-ID: <qgqa3p$db1$1@news.mixmin.net> you asked: > ------------ > "Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage > anyway?" > ------------ > > Shift goalposts much? What do you /REALLY/ want to know? He's trolling. It's what he does. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 07:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qgugue$s7o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #57738 |
On 2019-07-19, Arlen G. Holder <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:40:55 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote: > >>> Yes, they get your data - but how do they BENEFIT from getting it? >> >> They sell it to whomever. Advertisers kwho want to know all about you. >> Political parties who want to tailor their lies to your prejudices. >> Governments who want to know what you think and do. > > Is that really true William Unruh that they "sell your data"? > > I think, as I recall, you're a professor of physics, as I recall, but I > might be wrong. > > If you are, that means you can certainly follow complex equations. > Each term in a complex equation has specific meaning - which is important. > > When you say they "sell your data", do you mean 'data' or 'meta data'? > > The reason I ask is that they're quite different where, I don't think they > actually sell your data outright (except under subpoena), do they? > >> > Who are "they" anyway? >> YOu were the one that asked. > > I don't put ANY of my data on the cloud if I can help it. > So I'm asking about the OTHERS who DO put their data on the cloud - which > ones they use. No, you asked why some companies give away free cloud access. You did NOT ask what others do. Read their license which they force you to sign if you use their services. Then decide if you actually believe that they follow that, when there is absolutely no way in which you can test whether they follow the terms they claim to follow. Look at Accuweather now, which forces you to sign an agreement that they can sell your information to advertisers in order to use their services. At least they ar honest. I am not at all sure that many of the other companies are honest. If you are going to use cloud services, use encryption on all materials you store there.
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 12:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnqj60k2.ds3.dan@djph.net> |
| In reply to | #57741 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 William Unruh wrote: > You did NOT ask what others do. > Read their license which they force you to sign if you use their > services. Then decide if you actually believe that they follow that, > when there is absolutely no way in which you can test whether they > follow the terms they claim to follow. Hell, I don't even believe that I (as my own "provider(tm)" via an owncloud instance) abide by the TOS I gave myself. :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAl0zAoIACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooE8Fwf/SjfG5n8kqNag51F8+75z9AWlkBDbsKktJgUm/SP7LzQooc/JDZIjME0e bswUFp9cdAWhcJdyCProWtwOfCow6RJBTwIdU2z4MUiKCDAXWBDpitDafLjRv1ER QEda0ImPTxE3X3Yt8PInAcJb2h+U9IJJAm7TBPrYOV6oSFN8NrBh7sL+SWICqDws pMOVnwOSBA0Q2IJLbnn0a91y5n9GrAVCJ30OEW2clhs54gP0J7ZwzmNMcuZ8Dwx/ qRPYgI1e63XYoWchA2deH3FK2JA3skEcCWgT179YwH5MNlToo2gHe1nI6ceXuTM0 NWjxIjReGqwJKcXXoDHUJFmeuYwHrQ== =wPzv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 14:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qgv8v1$t4h$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57741 |
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 07:47:26 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote: > No, you asked why some companies give away free cloud access. > You did NOT ask what others do. When I said "cloud storage", I had meant the storage that "they" (Apple, Google, Microsoft, DropBox) give away for free (and then charge for larger amounts) to personal users. Since I have Apple & Android & Microsoft products, I see them (Apple, Google, Microsoft) offering me that "free" cloud storage, which I never take them up on (since I store my personal data on my personal storage devices). o What are some key common databases you often SHARE between your desktop & mobile devices? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ovnHGVriYsI/0frYPkC3AQAJ> They don't make money off of me, that I know of, at least not purposefully, although I admit I use Google Gmail which _does_ make money off of me I'm sure. For Android, I simply back up to the desktop (sometimes via the external sd slot). For Apple, I don't use the utterly puny (worthless IMHO), 5GB iCloud that Apple provides (which wouldn't fit even one twenty-fifth of a single full data backup) and I turn off all the OneDrive requests from Microsoft, (as backing up a desktop to external storage is about as simple as it gets). Personally, I can't imagine _why_ people put their private files into cloud storage - but the companies sure do push them on us - so they must be making money somehow by offering that "free" cloud storage: o Microsoft (15GB free, nominally) o Google (15GB free, nominally) o Apple (5GB free, nominally) o DropBox (2GB free, nominally) <https://www.lapopmag.com/articles/cloud-storage-comparison> > Read their license which they force you to sign if you use their > services. Then decide if you actually believe that they follow that, > when there is absolutely no way in which you can test whether they > follow the terms they claim to follow. Everyone says that bullshit, Bill - but it's not practical for a bunch of reasons, all of which you and everyone else already knows. o The license terms are often many pages long o They're filled to the brim with legalese o Any one sentence in that legalese can be interpreted to be your 1st born o And, as you noted, you have to believe them (which we know they lie) > Look at Accuweather now, which forces you to sign an agreement that they > can sell your information to advertisers in order to use their services. > At least they ar honest. I am not at all sure that many of the other > companies are honest. These four companies are certainly making money on your "free" data. o Microsoft o Google o Apple o DropBox The question is how. > If you are going to use cloud services, use encryption on all materials > you store there. Hehheh... I've said that many times, where I suggest to the Apple users that they should encrypt their files using any free multi-level encryption such as those afforded by Veracrypt/Truecrypt containers - where nospam constantly brazen claims (wrongly so) that Apple already provides Veracrypt-style encrypted file containers natively (which is just dead wrong on his part). o Does the iTunes app store have any free disk encryption container software? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACvkdg_zvDI/tYfHGdpTBAAJ> o Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the Internet (if so, for what gain?) <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/E0TkTd-zLuk/q8-pjDRsBAAJ> Personally, I avoid those "free" cloud services. Worse, I feel only lazy people use them. o Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the Internet (if so, for what gain?) <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/E0TkTd-zLuk/fF1RRv51AwAJ> Even my CALENDAR is stored locally. o Does a free offline non-Internet calendar app exist for iOS that imports/exports ICS text files? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/OzUOmgJLmZs/Xzx9DMxnFAAJ> So are my passwords stored locally. o Do you have a working cross-platform PASSWD database for Windows, Linux, Mac, iOS, & Android on your home LAN? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/5Z15v7xP8so/nhvO3FXDDQAJ> And I've since ditched my main Google Gmail account for non-Google ones. o Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google "mail" account - so all benefit from our efforts <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ZWYX6lCW0ck/lYYneXXkBAAJ> In summary, I strive to keep my personal data off the cloud, but most people, it seems, rampantly store their personal data on the cloud. I'm simply asking the very basic question here of how they (Apple, Google, Microsoft, DropBox) make money by giving you that "free" cloud storage for your personal data.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 11:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <200720191102341593%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #57749 |
In article <qgv8v1$t4h$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen G. Holder <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > > If you are going to use cloud services, use encryption on all materials > > you store there. > > Hehheh... I've said that many times, where I suggest to the Apple users > that they should encrypt their files using any free multi-level encryption > such as those afforded by Veracrypt/Truecrypt containers - where nospam > constantly brazen claims (wrongly so) that Apple already provides > Veracrypt-style encrypted file containers natively (which is just dead > wrong on his part). once again, you are lying. i *never* said apple provides veracrypt-style containers. other companies do not provide that either, including google. what i said was that everything on ios devices is fully encrypted, as is everything in icloud for that matter, which is *much* better than what you propose. not only that, but the usb port on ios devices is disabled while the device is locked (other than for charging), making it impossible to even access the encrypted data at all. the only option is to take it apart and forensically examine the memory chips, except that everything is encrypted, so that won't get very far. that is *not* the case with android.
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| From | "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 16:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <qgvej0$6lp$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #57750 |
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:02:34 -0400, nospam wrote: > i *never* said apple provides veracrypt-style containers. Hi nospam, *Please act like an _adult_ for once* o Children like you, nospam, are the epitome of what's bad about Usenet. <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACvkdg_zvDI/59PJn5R9BAAJ> On a large list such as this, I'm not dropping to your level of silly childish fifth-grade games you and that other petty child Cybe(R) Wizard _always_ play (as does Dan Purgert & Rudy Wieser, Char Jackson, Jolly Roger, BK, Lewis, et al.). o Does the iTunes app store have any free disk encryption container software? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACvkdg_zvDI/tYfHGdpTBAAJ> You're all children who can't ever add any on-topic value so you play your silly petty fifth-grade childish games ad infinitum. You play your silly "goal post" games where you weasel every which way, given you're the PERFECT epitome (as is Cybe(R) Wizard) of the canonical Usenet trolls. *I REFERENCE my facts nospam - while you simply _fabricate_ everything*. The proof you said it (many times) is in the very thread I referenced, where even the other Apple lovers told you to STFU since you were clearly playing your Apple Apologist games of fabricating wholly imaginary iOS functionality that you KNOW doesn't exist (it never did). <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACvkdg_zvDI/3QpeWWlrBAAJ> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACvkdg_zvDI/L2I6ZIx0BAAJ> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACvkdg_zvDI/4Z_AnaV1BAAJ> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACvkdg_zvDI/8mFN-qF6BAAJ> <> Here's where others told you to stop claiming imaginary Apple functionality: <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACvkdg_zvDI/JC6IPep3BAAJ> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ACvkdg_zvDI/tZcIJq55BAAJ> This is the proof, and I'm NOT responding to any more of the childish drivel from the likes of you and the other well-known children on this ng. o The real question is Why do Apple Apologists _hate_ facts about Apple products? <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/boEv7_ePPQ0/ck2VBgaaCgAJ> -- This is my one and only post in this thread to the childish petty posters such as Cybe(R) Wizard and nospam and Dan Purgert and Wolf K and Char Jackson, and Frank Slootweg, et al.
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 13:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <20190720132146.2b90d39a@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #57759 |
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:13:21 -0000 (UTC) "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > You play your silly > "goal post" games where you weasel every which way, given you're the > PERFECT epitome (as is Cybe(R) Wizard) of the canonical Usenet trolls. > > *I REFERENCE my facts nospam - while you simply _fabricate_ > everything*. Why, then, do you completely refuse to reference this "fact" of yours: Arelene Holdout said: ---------- "I have likely written over ten thousand tutorials, where at my last company, I wrote over five thousand alone. On the Internet, I don't know how many I have, but if you assume that I write one a day sometimes, and at least one a week, I have many thousands " ---------- Shut me up about it merely by showing that searchable list or tutorials. Hell, just show the list. The instant that you show a viable list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials that YOU have written I will shut up about it FOREVER, I guarantee and promise. ***Be a man*** or 'fess up to being a liar, otherwise. Failing to do either, you are just and only a liar. ...and not much of a man, either. Seriously, I've known several actual writers who produce copious amounts of for-profit text and each and every one keeps a list of, not only publications, all their written material. Aren't you a serious writer? Where's your list? C'mon, an honest man would either pony up that list gladly or accept and admit to being a liar and having no list or any idea as to the number written. Which will it be, or are you also duplicitous and conniving? My bet is on your being and exposing yourself to be a duplicitous and conniving liar by once again NOT showing that linked list. A lie of omission is just as much a lie as one of commission. -- Cybe R. Wizard "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy with the proof." J. K. Galbraith
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| From | Boris T. <bt@lsd.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 16:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <prv6jedobuf50ffoaqb223amla4k3lip3h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #57768 |
On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:21:46 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote: >On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:13:21 -0000 (UTC) >"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote: > >> You play your silly >> "goal post" games where you weasel every which way, given you're the >> PERFECT epitome (as is Cybe(R) Wizard) of the canonical Usenet trolls. >> >> *I REFERENCE my facts nospam - while you simply _fabricate_ >> everything*. > >Why, then, do you completely refuse to reference this "fact" of yours: > >Arelene Holdout said: >---------- >"I have likely written over ten thousand tutorials, where at my last >company, I wrote over five thousand alone. On the Internet, I don't know >how many I have, but if you assume that I write one a day sometimes, >and at least one a week, I have many thousands " >---------- > >Shut me up about it merely by showing that searchable list or tutorials. >Hell, just show the list. > >The instant that you show a viable list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials that >YOU have written I will shut up about it FOREVER, I guarantee and >promise. You're aiming too low. Surely it's up above 11,000 by now, after all these months. Maybe even 12,000. After all, he claimed to be cranking them out at a furious pace. -- Townsend
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2019-07-21 02:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnqj7j2s.ds3.dan@djph.net> |
| In reply to | #57778 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Boris T wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:21:46 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard" ><cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote: >> [...] >>The instant that you show a viable list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials that >>YOU have written I will shut up about it FOREVER, I guarantee and >>promise. > > You're aiming too low. Surely it's up above 11,000 by now, after all > these months. Maybe even 12,000. After all, he claimed to be cranking > them out at a furious pace. I think you're both off by an order of magnitude by now. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAl0zzFEACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooHqywf+K4XtnkmJA1QqkYWyw/VKpZ/PWYZAWnzZGUjEUbVX8ZOgXdSDH++dJVu5 Hy14QsoGKWGA7wg7EVA6nd1XBcGNKAyOjwnb6OvOChvcrfRWVVHhF65c4zT+7ZM/ sKCiYtm50ixT04LGtRh/k+8ddRBm7Tlk0V8NWiw+GMNRvAu0/7n7OuQwAwYa2GMG qRx4ckCsiu+ZxCOA8gFeKVLWKWBJAFoBWJU7rNYLEzc5VV8o8E7bjog78dcYB6yb V+jMuiWI9Gn1Hi+y1hK7OjRp0lV63avI8dAg0ZGCXRo9WA3WgfQMKnAaAsFflQcG 2b0TTQ0vdcYuqrbar0dkYKrG8tIEew== =G8d8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-07-20 22:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <20190720221624.483574ba@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #57790 |
On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 02:22:20 -0000 (UTC) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Boris T wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:21:46 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard" > ><cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote: > >> [...] > >>The instant that you show a viable list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials > >>that YOU have written I will shut up about it FOREVER, I guarantee > >>and promise. > > > > You're aiming too low. Surely it's up above 11,000 by now, after all > > these months. Maybe even 12,000. After all, he claimed to be > > cranking them out at a furious pace. > > I think you're both off by an order of magnitude by now. > Anytime Harlie Oldun is involved there is a strong odor of magnitude. -- Cybe R. Wizard “If something bad smells in the basement, it will eventually make its way to the attic.” Anthony Liccione
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