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  Re: Is this a Linux group? Bobby Bullfinch <bullfinchdesertrat@skier.org> - 2019-07-01 11:53 -0400
    Re: Is this a Linux group? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-07-01 18:13 +0200
      Re: Is this a Linux group? "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-07-01 16:32 +0000
        Re: Is this a Linux group? Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2019-07-01 09:50 -0700
          Re: Is this a Linux group? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-07-01 22:19 +0000
            Re: Is this a Linux group? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-07-01 19:59 -0400
            Re: Is this a Linux group? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-07-02 05:04 +0000
              Re: Is this a Linux group? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-07-02 01:27 -0400
              Re: Is this a Linux group? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-07-02 18:26 +0000
                Re: Is this a Linux group? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-07-03 13:35 +0200
                Re: Is this a Linux group? "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-07-03 12:29 +0000
            Re: Is this a Linux group? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-07-02 14:33 +0200
              Re: Is this a Linux group? "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-07-02 13:18 +0000
                Re: Is this a Linux group? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-07-03 00:08 +0200
                  Re: Is this a Linux group? "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-07-03 12:27 +0000
                    Re: Is this a Linux group? Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-07-03 21:26 +0200
      Re: Is this a Linux group? RatchetJaw  <RatchetJaw@mail.com> - 2019-07-01 19:16 +0000

#57367 — Re: Is this a Linux group?

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:11:29 -0400, Rick wrote:

> In article <gntdg4Fmb3rU1@mid.individual.net>, 
> vallor@cultnix.org says...
>> 
>> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 19:42:21 -0400, Rick wrote:
>> 
>>> What's with all the Steve Carrol posts?
>> 
>> You'll probably want to killfile those posts to use this group.
>> 
>>> Is there a better Linux group, possibly moderated?
>> 
>> There are a lot of Linux groups, with different focuses (focii?)
>> 
>> What are you looking for?
> 
> I am a new Linux user and I produce online courses so I 
> am looking for a Linux screencasting program. Something 
> similar to Camtasia 2019 from TechSmith. 
> 
> 
> https://www.techsmith.com/video-editor.html

There are some options on this page. I've never tried any of them but some
of the choices look interesting. 
https://itsfoss.com/best-linux-screen-recorders/

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#57368

On 01/07/19 17:53, Bobby Bullfinch wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:11:29 -0400, Rick wrote:
> 
>> In article <gntdg4Fmb3rU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> vallor@cultnix.org says...
>>>
>>> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 19:42:21 -0400, Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's with all the Steve Carrol posts?
>>>
>>> You'll probably want to killfile those posts to use this group.
>>>
>>>> Is there a better Linux group, possibly moderated?
>>>
>>> There are a lot of Linux groups, with different focuses (focii?)
>>>
>>> What are you looking for?
>>
>> I am a new Linux user and I produce online courses so I
>> am looking for a Linux screencasting program. Something
>> similar to Camtasia 2019 from TechSmith.
>>
>>
>> https://www.techsmith.com/video-editor.html
> 
> There are some options on this page. I've never tried any of them but some
> of the choices look interesting.
> https://itsfoss.com/best-linux-screen-recorders/
> 

I find it very handy and highly compressive VOKOSCREEN (and 
seldom use Record-my-desktop).
Voko also mix the webcam windows and supports audio capture 
from different sources.

Note : if you strictly screencast the compression ratios are 
amazing, but even a little webcam window on an apparently 
uniformly white piece or paper which you write upon, causes 
a sharp increase in size.
The different shades of white produced by natural light, 
even if meaningless for human eye, are numerically different 
and produce much more "noisy" information to manage.

For the same reason, if you are interested in deploying 
videos on free accounts with low space avail, consider 
monocolor desktop background in place of gradients (worst of 
all natural photographs)

ciao

-- 
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato)

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#57370

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 18:13:56 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:

> 
> I find it very handy and highly compressive VOKOSCREEN (and 
> seldom use Record-my-desktop).
>

Most, if not all, screen capture utilities are nothing more
than wrappers around ffmpeg, and therefore it behooves the
user to just learn ffmpeg.

Ffmpeg is also more versatile in that it can utilize the
hardware encoders of Nvidia cards (nvenc) to offload the
capture from the CPU.

Screen capture with ffmpeg is best done in two passes:

1) lossless capture (possible with nvenc) at high speed
but big file sizes.

2) compression of the lossless capture to a more suitable
format.

The two-step procedure takes a lot of time but produces
the best overall quality.

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#57371

In article <qfdcin05u1@news3.newsguy.com>, "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> 
wrote:

> Most, if not all, screen capture utilities are nothing more
> than wrappers around ffmpeg, and therefore it behooves the
> user to just learn ffmpeg.

That's a multi-year project.

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#57374

On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:50:56 -0700, Siri Cruise wrote:

> 
> That's a multi-year project.
>

Learning ffmpeg may require a bit of time and effort but
the end result will be an immense technical enrichment.

The user will be able to approach digital video processing
in general with confidence, creativity, and understanding.
He will no longer be dependent on "black box" methods.

Of course some people do not seek technical enrichment
and will choose to remain totally ignorant.  For such people
there is Micr$oft and not Linux.

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#57379

F. Russell wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:50:56 -0700, Siri Cruise wrote:
> 
>> That's a multi-year project.
>>
> 
> Learning ffmpeg may require a bit of time and effort but
> the end result will be an immense technical enrichment.
> 
> The user will be able to approach digital video processing
> in general with confidence, creativity, and understanding.
> He will no longer be dependent on "black box" methods.
> 
> Of course some people do not seek technical enrichment
> and will choose to remain totally ignorant.  For such people
> there is Micr$oft and not Linux.

I like FFMPEG too, but there are limits to the
praise to be heaped on it.

If your capture doesn't have good lip-sync (audio
and video not aligned), sometimes this is not easy
to fix. There can be wander and not an offset between
the two. Perhaps the timestamping system can be
enabled to fix that.

Since the capture is not synchronous to the screen,
and the sampling has jitter in it, you can see problems
if you look closely enough.

Would *any* competing method be better ? Dunno.

I can tell you a "hardware capture card" would at
least solve the synchronous problem. There are some
overblown cards available now, with their own compressor
in hardware. (The Black Magic card only did MJPEG in
an FPGA, while some of the new cards have a separate
H264 or H265 capability.)

    Paul

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#57380

On 2019-07-01, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:50:56 -0700, Siri Cruise wrote:
>
>> 
>> That's a multi-year project.
>>
>
> Learning ffmpeg may require a bit of time and effort but
> the end result will be an immense technical enrichment.
>
> The user will be able to approach digital video processing
> in general with confidence, creativity, and understanding.
> He will no longer be dependent on "black box" methods.
>
> Of course some people do not seek technical enrichment
> and will choose to remain totally ignorant.  For such people
> there is Micr$oft and not Linux.

Oh come off it. Don't act like a little baby. Manypeople use linux to ge
things done, not to learn Linux, and that is a perfectly valid attitude
to take to an operating system. Just as you have problably never taken
apart an automatic transmission (Jut think khow much you would learn by
doint that), but want a car to drive, You do not have to learn the
intricacies of ffmpeg to do video editing on Linux.
>
>

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#57381

William Unruh wrote:
> On 2019-07-01, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:50:56 -0700, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>
>>> That's a multi-year project.
>>>
>> Learning ffmpeg may require a bit of time and effort but
>> the end result will be an immense technical enrichment.
>>
>> The user will be able to approach digital video processing
>> in general with confidence, creativity, and understanding.
>> He will no longer be dependent on "black box" methods.
>>
>> Of course some people do not seek technical enrichment
>> and will choose to remain totally ignorant.  For such people
>> there is Micr$oft and not Linux.
> 
> Oh come off it. Don't act like a little baby. Manypeople use linux to ge
> things done, not to learn Linux, and that is a perfectly valid attitude
> to take to an operating system. Just as you have problably never taken
> apart an automatic transmission (Jut think khow much you would learn by
> doint that), but want a car to drive, You do not have to learn the
> intricacies of ffmpeg to do video editing on Linux.

You can compare the result to SimpleScreenRecorder.

https://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/

It even has its own screen capture routine.

m_x11_image = XGetImage(m_x11_display, m_x11_root, grab_x, grab_y, grab_width, grab_height, AllPlanes, ZPixmap);

    Paul

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#57393

On 2019-07-02, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2019-07-01, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:50:56 -0700, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> That's a multi-year project.
>>>
>>
>> Learning ffmpeg may require a bit of time and effort but
>> the end result will be an immense technical enrichment.
>>
>> The user will be able to approach digital video processing
>> in general with confidence, creativity, and understanding.
>> He will no longer be dependent on "black box" methods.
>>
>> Of course some people do not seek technical enrichment
>> and will choose to remain totally ignorant.  For such people
>> there is Micr$oft and not Linux.
>
> Oh come off it. Don't act like a little baby. Manypeople use linux to ge
> things done, not to learn Linux, and that is a perfectly valid attitude
> to take to an operating system. Just as you have problably never taken
> apart an automatic transmission (Jut think khow much you would learn by
> doint that), but want a car to drive, You do not have to learn the
> intricacies of ffmpeg to do video editing on Linux.

It's best not to take F. Russell too seriously. He's kind of hung up on 
himself. And you're absolutely right, Linux is not just for those who want 
"technical enrichment" (as if that's a goal unto itself), it's also for 
those who need a solid OS platform for general computing.

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#57398

On 02/07/2019 20.26, RonB wrote:
> On 2019-07-02, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>> On 2019-07-01, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:50:56 -0700, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a multi-year project.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Learning ffmpeg may require a bit of time and effort but
>>> the end result will be an immense technical enrichment.
>>>
>>> The user will be able to approach digital video processing
>>> in general with confidence, creativity, and understanding.
>>> He will no longer be dependent on "black box" methods.
>>>
>>> Of course some people do not seek technical enrichment
>>> and will choose to remain totally ignorant.  For such people
>>> there is Micr$oft and not Linux.
>>
>> Oh come off it. Don't act like a little baby. Manypeople use linux to ge
>> things done, not to learn Linux, and that is a perfectly valid attitude
>> to take to an operating system. Just as you have problably never taken
>> apart an automatic transmission (Jut think khow much you would learn by
>> doint that), but want a car to drive, You do not have to learn the
>> intricacies of ffmpeg to do video editing on Linux.
> 
> It's best not to take F. Russell too seriously. He's kind of hung up on 
> himself. And you're absolutely right, Linux is not just for those who want 
> "technical enrichment" (as if that's a goal unto itself), it's also for 
> those who need a solid OS platform for general computing.

Absolutely :-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57400

On Tue, 02 Jul 2019 18:26:58 +0000, RonB wrote:> 

>  And you're absolutely right, Linux is not just for those who want 
> "technical enrichment" (as if that's a goal unto itself), it's also for 
> those who need a solid OS platform for general computing.
>

In the amount of time that it required for you to compose that silly spiel
you could have learned a few things about ffmpeg and video fundamentals.

Oh well.  It's your loss.

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#57386

On 02/07/19 00:19, F. Russell wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 09:50:56 -0700, Siri Cruise wrote:
> 
>>
>> That's a multi-year project.
>>
> 
> Learning ffmpeg may require a bit of time and effort but
> the end result will be an immense technical enrichment.
> 
> The user will be able to approach digital video processing
> in general with confidence, creativity, and understanding.
> He will no longer be dependent on "black box" methods.
> 
> Of course some people do not seek technical enrichment
> and will choose to remain totally ignorant.  For such people
> there is Micr$oft and not Linux.
> 
> 
> 

you appear not to know the concept of "EROEI" and to 
consider any time-investment worth while regardless of the 
actual return.

And also that time spared somewhere becomes available to be 
dedicated to other knowledge with a higher priority

since I mentioned VOKOSCREEN, I must say it is just 
"overkill" as is for my needs. It is already toom much 
flexible and options rich (codecs choice, sampling rate 
choice, and much more), so if it is overkill, why to look 
for over-overkill ?

There are infinite shades of gray spanning from the video 
editor professionists to ones that simply have to make some 
default video to share some content

It has nothing to do with a non existing absolute concept of 
ignorance. I mean, with that absurd point of view I should 
consider ignorant everyone who does not master the chemistry 
of carboranes of sulfur-nitrogen superconducting thiazil 
polymers, when this is rather lack of specific interest.

Every one simply looks for tools with reasonable learning 
curve as noobody is immortal and has unlimited time available.

think again about the concept of absolute vs subjective 
priorities ...




-- 
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
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#57388

On Tue, 02 Jul 2019 14:33:28 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:

> 
> you appear not to know the concept of "EROEI" 
>

You sound like a mentally challenged middle manager at
some third-rate corporation.

GNU/Linux is how technically oriented people have _fun_.
Yes, GNU/Linux is all about having _fun_ through DIY tinkering
and exploration.

Learning ffmpeg is not the issue.  Learning video fundamentals
*is* the issue, and ffmpeg affords anyone the opportunity to
explore video processing concepts.

> 
> There are infinite shades of gray spanning from the video 
> editor professionists to ones that simply have to make some 
> default video to share some content
> 

We have all experienced the automated, amateur efforts that
are posted to sites like YouTube.  The results are atrocious.
Audio levels are severely inconsistent and video is always
substandard.  The best "point and click" software just cannot
make up for the ignorance and incompetence of these posters.


>
> I mean, with that absurd point of view I should 
> consider ignorant everyone who does not master the chemistry 
> of carboranes of sulfur-nitrogen superconducting thiazil 
> polymers,
>

There is a reason that civilized human beings are required to
attend school for many, years.  Civilized societies desire people
who understand where they came from and how the world works.
Most schools offer courses in chemistry although perhaps not
as a requirement.  But considering the extreme importance of digital
technology to our current and future world an education in
computer science should be absolutely mandatory.

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#57396

On 02/07/19 15:18, F. Russell wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jul 2019 14:33:28 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> 
>>
>> you appear not to know the concept of "EROEI"
>>
> 
> You sound like a mentally challenged middle manager at
> some third-rate corporation.
> 
> GNU/Linux is how technically oriented people have _fun_.

I found it useful for work indeed

> Yes, GNU/Linux is all about having _fun_ through DIY tinkering
> and exploration.

if one wills, nb forbids this ... but no sense in compelling 
others to do it

> 
> Learning ffmpeg is not the issue.  Learning video fundamentals
> *is* the issue, and ffmpeg affords anyone the opportunity to
> explore video processing concepts.
> 
>>
>> There are infinite shades of gray spanning from the video
>> editor professionists to ones that simply have to make some
>> default video to share some content
>>
> 
> We have all experienced the automated, amateur efforts that
> are posted to sites like YouTube.  The results are atrocious.

nope. There are many kinds out there, some of them 
invaluable. It's the content rather than the aspect the value

> Audio levels are severely inconsistent and video is always
> substandard. 

not a point. If you want to learn welding or building sth in 
DIY, you find a lot useful tutorials. They don't need to get 
an oscar prize.
I share chemistry lessons on vimeo, for example, and video 
quality is less than negligible for the purpose

> The best "point and click" software just cannot
> make up for the ignorance and incompetence of these posters.


> 
>>
>> I mean, with that absurd point of view I should
>> consider ignorant everyone who does not master the chemistry
>> of carboranes of sulfur-nitrogen superconducting thiazil
>> polymers,
>>
> 
> There is a reason that civilized human beings are required to
> attend school for many, years.  Civilized societies desire people
> who understand where they came from and how the world works.

hence you would be surely able how to prepare a reticulated 
silicone :)

> Most schools offer courses in chemistry although perhaps not
> as a requirement.  But considering the extreme importance of digital
> technology

it's not of particular intrinsical intrest for everyone 
actually.
And most educational official agencies even ignore linux as 
a whole.
I mean : last year I completed EIPass course, no linux 
program was even mentioned.
I'm not saying I was happy with that, just that priorities 
are not univocal.

> to our current and future world an education in
> computer science should be absolutely mandatory.

I agree, where I disagree is the focus of it. Deepening in 
the ffmpeg options is simply crazy for a general purpose 
education

> 


-- 
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
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#57399

On Wed, 03 Jul 2019 00:08:47 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:

>
> I share chemistry lessons on vimeo, for example, and video 
> quality is less than negligible for the purpose
> 

I hope that you use GNU/Linux tools for the purpose.
A lot of people publicly praise Linux but in private
they use Micro$oft/Apple for the supposed convenience.

I have produced videos of atomic orbital construction
using GNU/Linux Maxima (for solving the Schroedinger
equation), Geomview (for AO visual animations), and
ffmpeg (to capture it all).


> 
> And most educational official agencies even ignore linux as 
> a whole.
>

These officials have never even _heard_ of Linux.

If they have heard about Linux then it was Ubuntu, and Ubuntu
is *not* representative of Linux.  Ubuntu is a cheapened and
bastardized

Actually, GNU/Linux is the best possible educational tool because
it utilizes only international standards such as C.  IOW, GNU/Linux
tools are relevant anywhere.

In contrast, with Micro$oft, the student will have to confront
the proprietary C# garbage.

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#57402

On 03/07/2019 14:27, F. Russell wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jul 2019 00:08:47 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> 
>>
>> I share chemistry lessons on vimeo, for example, and video
>> quality is less than negligible for the purpose
>>
> 
> I hope that you use GNU/Linux tools for the purpose.

almost always (for recording vokoscreen)
for animations OpenSCAD

There is a SW still impossible for me to surrogate : 
ChemSketch from ACDLabs. A Linux version is still awaited.

But I use it in virtual machine "offline", to prepare 
documents, then I load from sambashare in LbO.

I also don't have so much power and memory to record lesson 
in Linux, LbO and browser and OpenScad, and also keep 
running a virtual machine.

I have sieved the net like a desperate, but even the second 
best SW found (ChemAxxon Marvin) does not fit my need like 
the aged ChemSketch.

Also Hyperchem 8.0 is a SW I use sometime to make computations.
There many linux alternatives exist, but often either too 
powerfull (they demand too high computational power and do 
modellization much beyond my basic needs) or simply I don't 
know how to use them due to interface. Avogadro seems good, 
but I'm not able to exploit it. With my "old" hyperchem I 
waste no time and I have a model to view and animate.

In university many linux sw is used for more refined models, 
but there they have plenty of power

> A lot of people publicly praise Linux but in private
> they use Micro$oft/Apple for the supposed convenience.

i find it a ridiculous behaviour.
When I had to critize linux, I did openly

I try to get the best of both (as I have regular license for 
win 8.1 and XP), but honestly now upwards of 95 % of time I 
stay just here. Only two software now keep me bound me to 
windows world.

> 
> I have produced videos of atomic orbital construction
> using GNU/Linux Maxima (for solving the Schroedinger
> equation)

I have limited power, just enough to use "balls and springs" 
approximation.
At Univ. they used LAMPS, GAMESS, but for well higher 
results. I teach in a high school, not in university, and 
for my students rough models are just too much

>, Geomview (for AO visual animations), and
> ffmpeg (to capture it all).
> 
> 
>>
>> And most educational official agencies even ignore linux as
>> a whole.
>>
> 
> These officials have never even _heard_ of Linux.

Debian comes with a very rich set of educational tools in 
the native repo (and many more are available).
I find that linux world pays much more attention and care in 
edu areas.

> 
> If they have heard about Linux then it was Ubuntu, and Ubuntu
> is *not* representative of Linux.  Ubuntu is a cheapened and
> bastardized

uhm ... I happen to "hate" ubuntu, but you seem a bit 
hydeological in this judgment



> 
> Actually, GNU/Linux is the best possible educational tool because
> it utilizes only international standards such as C.  IOW, GNU/Linux
> tools are relevant anywhere.

I'd like to learn sth about SCORM packages, but I did not 
find good documentation and neither a good authoring tool.

My School is starting to try using MOODLE (they will 
invariably fail, but seem not to know yet), and I've read it 
supports importing SCORM packages, very widely used in the 
non free courseware world.


> 
> In contrast, with Micro$oft, the student will have to confront
> the proprietary C# garbage.

LOL :) ah, I forgot one third SW I cannot do without : 
Visual Studio.
To me one of the smartest, fastest ever, handy tool for 
editing, compiling, debugging, all in one.
But I've never ever tried to use it out of its native OS.
Maybe I will never manage to try sth like that

> 


-- 
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
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#57373

On 2019-07-01, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> wrote:
> On 01/07/19 17:53, Bobby Bullfinch wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:11:29 -0400, Rick wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <gntdg4Fmb3rU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> vallor@cultnix.org says...
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 19:42:21 -0400, Rick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's with all the Steve Carrol posts?
>>>>
>>>> You'll probably want to killfile those posts to use this group.
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a better Linux group, possibly moderated?
>>>>
>>>> There are a lot of Linux groups, with different focuses (focii?)
>>>>
>>>> What are you looking for?
>>>
>>> I am a new Linux user and I produce online courses so I
>>> am looking for a Linux screencasting program. Something
>>> similar to Camtasia 2019 from TechSmith.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.techsmith.com/video-editor.html
>> 
>> There are some options on this page. I've never tried any of them but some
>> of the choices look interesting.
>> https://itsfoss.com/best-linux-screen-recorders/
>> 
>
> I find it very handy and highly compressive VOKOSCREEN (and 
> seldom use Record-my-desktop).
> Voko also mix the webcam windows and supports audio capture 
> from different sources.
>
> Note : if you strictly screencast the compression ratios are 
> amazing, but even a little webcam window on an apparently 
> uniformly white piece or paper which you write upon, causes 
> a sharp increase in size.
> The different shades of white produced by natural light, 
> even if meaningless for human eye, are numerically different 
> and produce much more "noisy" information to manage.
>
> For the same reason, if you are interested in deploying 
> videos on free accounts with low space avail, consider 
> monocolor desktop background in place of gradients (worst of 
> all natural photographs)
>
> ciao
>

Sorry guys I got snookered by snit.
Best to ignore this thread.
My bad.


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The Locked and Loaded Jew

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