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What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Started byarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
First post2019-02-17 20:23 +0000
Last post2019-02-19 13:22 -0800
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  What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 20:23 +0000
    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-17 12:46 -0800
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 21:44 +0000
        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-17 14:29 -0800
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 23:15 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 10:49 +0100
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 02:21 -0800
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 12:13 +0100
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:30 -0800
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:33 +0100
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:14 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 00:33 +0100
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:41 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:22 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:00 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:06 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:39 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 08:41 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:32 +0100
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-18 21:38 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:30 +0100
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:18 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:18 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:31 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:28 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:55 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 10:18 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 21:24 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:47 +0100
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:26 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 00:35 +0100
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:40 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:21 -0600
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-19 21:33 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:21 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 15:55 -0800
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:15 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 00:36 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 03:24 +0100
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:07 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 01:39 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 01:51 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 03:25 +0100
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 02:36 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 16:00 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:25 -0800
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 18:28 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 19:05 +0000
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 11:52 -0800
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 21:13 +0000
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 21:33 +0000
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 13:43 -0800
                                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 22:00 +0000
                                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 22:20 +0000
                                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 22:55 +0000
                                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 22:10 +0000
                                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 14:24 -0800
                                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 23:04 +0000
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 17:20 -0600
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 15:23 -0800
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 23:25 +0000
                                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 13:23 +0000
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 09:15 -0800
                                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 18:41 +0000
                                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 22:59 +0100
                                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 22:11 +0000
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 15:39 -0600
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 23:22 +0000
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 13:42 +0000
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 12:57 +0000
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-20 14:51 -0500
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 21:49 +0000
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 12:51 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:17 -0600
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-19 10:32 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:43 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 16:48 -0800
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:54 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:50 -0600
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:52 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:25 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 00:27 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:49 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 08:58 -0600
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-18 05:31 -0500
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:13 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:43 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 16:50 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:31 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:10 -0600
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 12:24 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:52 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 17:02 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:31 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:08 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:01 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:38 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 09:59 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:22 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:32 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:38 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? shemp14@outlook.com - 2019-02-18 17:01 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 11:15 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 12:05 -0700
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-18 14:15 -0500
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-18 21:44 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 16:47 -0700
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:05 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:56 -0600
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 06:03 +0000
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-20 10:56 -0500
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-20 19:20 +0000
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:09 -0800
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                                                Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 21:34 +0000
                                                Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-22 01:14 +0000
                                                  Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-25 01:53 +0000
                                          Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-22 04:20 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 19:17 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 01:12 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:18 -0500
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:32 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:37 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:19 -0600
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:44 +0100
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 13:41 -0700
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:10 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:40 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:58 -0600
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:52 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-19 12:16 -0500
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 21:16 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 05:51 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-18 19:18 -0500
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:12 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-18 21:33 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 21:50 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 11:26 +0100
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 11:00 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 15:46 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 23:05 +0100
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 23:53 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-21 06:02 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:03 -0800
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-21 00:15 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-19 08:49 -0700
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2019-02-19 10:01 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-19 16:45 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:05 +0100
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 20:59 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 22:36 +0100
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-22 18:29 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-22 20:03 +0100
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-22 15:42 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:01 -0600
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-19 09:06 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-19 11:12 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:07 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:15 -0600
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-19 12:21 -0500
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:07 +0100
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-20 10:52 -0500
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 23:07 +0100
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-20 17:17 -0500
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                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-22 13:52 -0800
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-23 10:33 -0500
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-23 16:39 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 08:54 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 01:29 +0100
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 17:02 -0800
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                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 12:17 +0100
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                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-22 16:36 -0500
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              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:40 +0000
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#54142 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-21 19:03 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<q4msmq$9j9$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to#54135
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 17:06:26 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

> https://imgur.com/fA0VEd9

Hi owl,

This post was posted as...
o NNTP POSTING HOST = 41.141.82.247
o LOCATION = Casablanca, Morocco
o ISP = Maroc Telecom

1. First off, thank you for being an adult in your responses (no bullshit).
2. Second, thanks for proposing a "workable" solution for NNTP servers.
3. Third, thanks for _testing_ that workable solution (with proof!)
        
Here's what you proved, which I completely accept as proof of concept.
  anon@lowtide:~$ grep ^socks4 proxychains.conf
    socks4       182.75.139.222 4153
  anon@lowtide:~$ proxychains telnet freenews.netfront.net 119
    ProxyChains-3.1 (http://proxychains.sf.net)
    |DNS-response|: lowtide does not exist
    |DNS-request| freenews.netfront.net
    |S-chain|-<>-182.175.139.222:4153-<>-<>-4.2.2.2.:53-<><>-OK
   Connected to freenews.netfront.net.
   Escape character is '^]'.
    200 news.netfront.net Inter netNews NNRP server INN 2.54.6 (20090602 snapshot) ready (posting ok).
     post
    340 Ok, recommened ID <q4mkqm$2fnp$1@adenine.netfront.net>
     From: owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
     Subject: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free
     Usenet posts? 
     Newsgroups: alt.os.linux,comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10
     References: <q4mg73$lvls$1@adenine.netfront.net>
     
     > HINT: I'd _love_ to use a proxy; if it worked as well as does VPN.
     
     proxychains + telnet + newsfront.net
     .
    240 Article posted <q4mkqm$2fnp$1@adenine.netfront.net>
   quit
    205 .
  Connection closed by foreign host.
  anon@lowtide:~$

Notice that I'm an adult, which means I completely accept your proof of concept.
o Facts are funny that way

FACTS:
1. This proxycahains proof of concept undoubtably works for "nix-like" systems.
2. This proxychains concept is a _nice_ idea for "anonymizing" an IP address.
3. I will test out this nice idea, 1st on Linux; & then, on Windows; & then Android.
  

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#54146 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2019-02-21 20:15 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<sxzvb803ga.3ugo4@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#54142
In alt.os.linux arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 17:06:26 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
> 
>> https://imgur.com/fA0VEd9
> 
> Hi owl,
> 
> This post was posted as...
> o NNTP POSTING HOST = 41.141.82.247
> o LOCATION = Casablanca, Morocco
> o ISP = Maroc Telecom
> 
> 1. First off, thank you for being an adult in your responses (no bullshit).
> 2. Second, thanks for proposing a "workable" solution for NNTP servers.
> 3. Third, thanks for _testing_ that workable solution (with proof!)
>         
> Here's what you proved, which I completely accept as proof of concept.
>   anon@lowtide:~$ grep ^socks4 proxychains.conf
>     socks4       182.75.139.222 4153
>   anon@lowtide:~$ proxychains telnet freenews.netfront.net 119
>     ProxyChains-3.1 (http://proxychains.sf.net)
>     |DNS-response|: lowtide does not exist
>     |DNS-request| freenews.netfront.net
>     |S-chain|-<>-182.175.139.222:4153-<>-<>-4.2.2.2.:53-<><>-OK
>    Connected to freenews.netfront.net.
>    Escape character is '^]'.
>     200 news.netfront.net Inter netNews NNRP server INN 2.54.6 (20090602 snapshot) ready (posting ok).
>      post
>     340 Ok, recommened ID <q4mkqm$2fnp$1@adenine.netfront.net>
>      From: owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
>      Subject: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free
>      Usenet posts? 
>      Newsgroups: alt.os.linux,comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.comp.os.windows-10
>      References: <q4mg73$lvls$1@adenine.netfront.net>
>      
>      > HINT: I'd _love_ to use a proxy; if it worked as well as does VPN.
>      
>      proxychains + telnet + newsfront.net
>      .
>     240 Article posted <q4mkqm$2fnp$1@adenine.netfront.net>
>    quit
>     205 .
>   Connection closed by foreign host.
>   anon@lowtide:~$
> 
> Notice that I'm an adult, which means I completely accept your proof of concept.
> o Facts are funny that way
> 
> FACTS:
> 1. This proxycahains proof of concept undoubtably works for "nix-like" systems.
> 2. This proxychains concept is a _nice_ idea for "anonymizing" an IP address.
> 3. I will test out this nice idea, 1st on Linux; & then, on Windows; & then Android.
>   
> 

It will not work with mixmin, because mixmin requires SSL for posting.
(Testing with `proxychains s_client -connect ...` failed as expected).

In my opinion, the easiest is just to use a paid server such as altopia
(which I use) that does not insert NNTP-Posting-Host or Injection-Info
headers.

https://www.altopia.com/polfaq.html
<quote>
Q: Why don't posts from your site contain an NNTP-Posting-Host: header?

A: We feel customers have a right to decide whether to be anonymous or not
and so we do not add the NNTP-Posting-Host: header to customers' posts.
</quote>

Cheapest account is $6/mo.

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#54149 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-21 20:53 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<q4n34a$vt9$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to#54146
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

> In my opinion, the easiest is just to use a paid server such as altopia
> (which I use) that does not insert NNTP-Posting-Host or Injection-Info
> headers.

o NNTP POSTING HOST = 124.197.119.108
o LOCATION = Hyderabad, Telangana, India
o ISP = M1
o PROTOCOL: UDP & NNTP

Hi owl,

FACT + LOGIC.

I'm an adult; hence I instantly comprehend your suggestion:
o A paid server that respects privacy will certainly work - no doubt 

Whether or not a "paid server" is the best for "privacy" depends, 
a lot, on _how_ you pay for it, does it not?
o However, let's _not_ go there - as that's off topic for this thread. :)

Also, whether or not a "paid server" is the "easiest" is also up for grabs.
o It's pretty easy to use a free VPN & a free news server too! :)

The advantage of the current method, is, off the top of my head:
o It's a "glorified proxy" so the IP address is not static & not mine
o It works the same on _all_ five common consumer platforms
o It's free (hence the barrier to "test" it out is zero)
etc.

I LOVE your idea of getting "proxychains" to work on "nix" & Windows.
o I will only post further if I have _value_ to add
o Or, if someone asks an adult question needing clarification.

THANK YOU AGAIN for posting an alternative solution!

Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
A: Proxychain (for 'nix OSs anyway & maybe for Windows with FreeCap!)

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#54152 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-21 21:28 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<q4n55t$17p9$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to#54146
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

> It will not work with mixmin, because mixmin requires SSL for posting.
> (Testing with `proxychains s_client -connect ...` failed as expected).

o NNTP POSTING HOST = 58.106.176.150
o LOCATION = Doncaster East, Victoria, Australia
o ISP = Optus
o PROTOCOL: TCP & NNTP

Hi owl,

*I forgot to acknowledge your helpful truthful statement on SSL encryption!*
o Again, I appreciate the advice where it's clear you don't bullshit, owl.

It's refreshing to not have to deal with bullshit, owl.
o Thank you very much for NOT bullshitting us on the Mixmin SSL.
    (We can solve _that_ SSL-encryption problem later.)

Like you, I don't bullshit as I am an adult.
o Adults handle facts & logic like, well, like adults.

The simple test for an adult is the same 3 words I've been asking others:
Q: hat's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
A: Proxychains [Which clearly works on 'nix with unencrypted NNTP.]

What I _love_ is your response PASSES the 3-word BS test:
o Name just one

As far as I remember, out of hundreds of posts (let Cyber count them), 
yours is the _only_ suggestion that passed the 3-word bullshit test!

I will try it out on the desktop first - and then on the mobile device.
o Then I will compare to the existing working solution
o Where there are _always_ a variety of pros and cons in every solution!

To be clear, the existing solution is "pretty good"
o But I'm always seeking BETTER solutions which this may very well be!

The existing solution:
o Has almost zero hurdle to use on all 5 common consumer platforms
o All it needs is a free config file & a free VPN client (both abound)
o That provides access to over six thousand IP addresses around the world

I think this proxychains method will work nicely, and, if desired
o We may even be able to dovetail proxychains _with_ VPN (who knows?)

The test sequence is obvious to adults:
1. First get the 'nix solution to work (where I foresee zero hurdles)
2. Then get the Windows solution to work (hurdles _may_ exist)
3. Then get the mobile devices to work (Android always first)

It's refreshing to not have to deal with bullshit, owl.
o Thank you very much for NOT bullshitting us on the Mixmin SSL.
(We can solve _that_ SSL-encryption problem later.)

No need to respond, where I THANK you for being an adult, owl.
o Adults make statements that pass the simple 3-word BS test

*Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?*
*A: Proxychains (for the 'nix operating systems, for sure!)*

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#54141 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-21 18:37 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<q4mr5o$405$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to#54133
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 16:52:19 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

> proxychains + telnet + newsfront.net

Hi owl,

[This post was written ad hoc, as I "figured" out what you are suggesting.]
o NNTP POSTING HOST = 95.15.11.80
o LOCATION = Sanliurfa, Turkey
o ISP = Turk Telekom

I admit, up front, that I stopped reading that _other_ thread, simply 
because the trolls took it over (as you're aware) and, even worse, few 
adults existed who said anything past the opening post that wasn't 
unworkable bullshit.

All I ask for is what I always ask for, which is a "working solution".
o The more general purpose and generic, the better

Since I _already_ have a working solution, it simply has to work better
o I openly admit I'm using VPN mostly as a "glorified proxy"

If you propose a "proxy" solution, then I'm willing to comprehend it.
o I don't understand it yet ... so allow me to ask clarifying questions please

My first questions for you are is simple, since I see you used Netfront:

Q: Did you use this proposed solution to make your post I'm responding to?

Q: What is the relationship of "netfront" to "newsfront.net" in your post?

NOTE: I don't see "newsfront" yet in the basic server lists, which, as you 
know, abound on the net, where I only point to one by way of simple 
example: <http://freenewsserver.site666.com>

Note: http://newsfront.net & http://newsfront.com don't really do anything.
Note: A series of test ports times out, e.g.,
            telnet newsfront.net 119

Q: Given those failures, what is the significance, in your response, of:
      "newsfront.net"

HINT: Did you mean:
     Proxychains plus the command "telnet any_nntp_server 119" ?

If so, then all I need to learn about are these "proxychains" you speak of.

Before I openly admit I don't (yet) know what a "proxychain" means to you, 
I will first assert that if the solution proposed ONLY works with a web 
browser, then it's _useless_ for our purposes. Are you OK with that 
assertion?

And, the solution must work on _all_ platforms, since the VPN solution 
_easily_ works on all platforms, and, where, you must note, the VPN 
solution working on all platforms is what STARTED Mike off on saying to use 
a proxy instead of VPN.

I repeat, we _all_ know that proxies abound for "web" use.
o We are ONLY talking about NNTP traffic in this thread. Deal?

I repeat, we _only_ want solutions that work for _all_ platforms.
o We do not want a Linux-only solution, for example.

With that in mind, I admit, openly, and as an adult, that I'm currently 
almost completely "ignorant" of proxychains, but that I do see "potential" 
in the inherent concept based on the two words "proxy + chain", and based 
on the fact that you seem to comprehend that NNTP traffic is what we're 
talking about (not "web" traffic).

Googling to see how proxychains would work with NNTP headers...

CAVEATS:
A. Any solution must work native on _all_ platforms (or it's not a solution).
     [And no, a virtual machine is not the same thing as native.]
B. Any (e.g., HTTP) solution that doesn't work with NNTP is not a solution 
C. I'm completely aware that "telnet" works on all platforms.

NOTES:
a. The current solution works on _all_ platforms (that's what started this!)
b. The current solution works with _all_ NNTP servers (not just some)
c. The current solution works with _any_ Usnet client (even with "telnet")

Any proposed solution _must_ be _better_ than the current solution.
o Otherwise, the proposed solution doesn't solve the proposed problem set

Googling to see how proxychains would work with NNTP headers...

This is the first hit that I skimmed...
o Tutorial] Run Most Application Through a Proxy (Windows/Linux) Most Browsers and OldSchool Clients!
<https://tribot.org/forums/topic/62769-tutorial-run-most-application-through-a-proxy-windowslinux-most-browsers-and-oldschool-clients/>
a. That suggests "widecap" (http://widecap.ru/en/download/)
b. WideCap apparently uses SOCKS v5 
c. In the end, it seems you execute: "proxychains usenetreader.exe"

This second hit goes a little deeper, but isn't Windows specific:
o How To Setup Proxychains With Tor In Kali Linux
<https://www.sunnyhoi.com/how-to-setup-proxychains-with-tor-in-kali-linux/>
a. Proxychains uses many proxy servers to conceal your true IP address.
b. Propels TCP connections through SOCKS5 proxy servers 
c. Uses proxies found, essentially, randomly, from various lists
    Example: https://www.free-proxy-list.net
NOTE: The article text shows that you can comment out the TOR step.

This third hit 
o A brief introduction to ProxyChains
 <https://0x00sec.org/t/a-brief-introduction-to-proxychains/418>
a. ProxyChains send through multiple SOCKS proxy servers.
b. They provide this list of SOCKS proxies <https://www.socks-proxy.net>
c. This article is Linux-specific using "sudo apt-get install proxychains"
NOTE: I love Linux - but every solution has to _also_ work with Windows.

This fourth hit is also linux specific (nothing wrong with that, but any 
solution has to also work on all platforms if it calls itself a solution):
o ProxyChains Tutorial
<https://linuxhint.com/proxychains-tutorial/>
a. Again, they advocate the Linux "proxychains" command set
b. Which work with SOCKS5 servers & handle any TCP client application
c. Telnet is a tcp client app (but it's a bitch to telnet manually to nntp)

Finally, the quoted line makes perfect sense to me (belatedly):
   proxychains + telnet + freenews.netfront.net 119

Given that one-line sugestion, here's a hypothetical testcase:
(Note: You can pick any free NNTP server <https://www.freeusenetnews.com>)

C:\>proxychains telnet nntp.freeserver.com 119 
     connecting to nntp.freeserver.com 119 
      200 to nntp.freeserver.org
       -> help 
       -> list 
       -> group alt.test 
      211 2416 309329 329951 alt.test
       -> post 
      340 Ok, recommended ID <abcdefg@nntp.freeserver.org> 
       -> From: abcdefg@abcdefg.com 
       -> Newsgroups: alt.test 
       -> Subject: test 
       -> 
       -> Test 
       -> . 
      240 article posted ok 
       -> check <abcdefg@nntp.freeserver.org> 
       -> article <abcdefg@nntp.freeserver.org> 
       -> next 
      223 3313270 <xxxxx.0.0.1> article retreived - request text separately 
       -> body 
       -> quit 
      205 closing connection - goodbye! 
    Connection to host lost. 

It seems that proxychains will work, as long as proxychains works on all 
platforms, which, let's name them, are always the same common consumer 
platforms, always in the same order, as shown below:
o Windows + Linux + Android + Mac + iOS

Proxychains clearly works on Linux:
<http://proxychains.sourceforge.net>

Without having to resort to virtual machines (which isn't the point here), 
the question is how to get proxychains to work on the other common 
platforms.

NOTE: The current solution works on _all_ platforms.
o In fact, _that_ fact is what _started_ this mess (mostly from Mike).

Here's the starting point of this thread, from a few days ago:
o How to get up & running on a free public vpn service in minutes
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc>

In summary, here's my take on "proxychains" based _only_ on what I gleaned 
by about a minute or two of skimming of each of the articles above:

(Preliminary assessment of) Proxychains:
1. The 'idea' of daisychaining proxies is sound, and easily agree on
2. Hence, it's a "nice" solution if you severely limit the platforms
2. There's no overt indication (yet) it works on the other platforms yet.

The question that arises is very simple, & very (very) very obvious:
o Does it?

-- 
NOTE: I don't really use a usenetreader, per se, it's just a bunch of 
scripts, mostly written by Marek Novotny, where my "reader" is  essentially 
"vi" and my send mechanism is, essentially, "telnet".

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#54145 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2019-02-21 20:07 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<zcv903agawga.u4@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#54141
In alt.os.linux arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 16:52:19 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
> 
>> proxychains + telnet + newsfront.net
> 
> Hi owl,
> 
...

> Q: What is the relationship of "netfront" to "newsfront.net" in your post?
> 

It was a typo.  Should be netfront.



> In summary, here's my take on "proxychains" based _only_ on what I gleaned 
> by about a minute or two of skimming of each of the articles above:
>
> (Preliminary assessment of) Proxychains:
> 1. The 'idea' of daisychaining proxies is sound, and easily agree on
> 2. Hence, it's a "nice" solution if you severely limit the platforms

If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).

> 2. There's no overt indication (yet) it works on the other platforms yet.
> 
> The question that arises is very simple, & very (very) very obvious:
> o Does it?
> 

It can, with a bit of preliminaries.

For Mack, it should work out of the box.
For ios, find some app that does similar.
For Windows, use a Linux VM, or find some Windows app that does similar.
For Android, install UserLand linux:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tech.ula

or find some android app that does similar.

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#54147 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-21 20:38 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<q4n27k$sms$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to#54145
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:07:46 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

> If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).

o NNTP POSTING HOST = 94.16.113.142
o LOCATION = Dresden, Germany
o ISP = SSP Europe GmbH
o PROTOCOL: UDP & NNTP

Hi owl,

*THANK YOU for proposing the "proxychain" potential solution!*

I am an adult, which means, in part, that I handle FACTS & LOGIC well.
o Hence I don't disagree that "nix" OS's are, by far, the most powerful.

As I had explained, in hundreds of posts (let Cyber count them), if Mike,
Frank, Rene, Dan, Cybe(r), Paul, Carlos, Jasen, et al., have a solution,
their proposed solution should simply pass the 3-word bullshit test:
o Name just one

*Your suggested solution easily & instantly passed a 3-word bullshit test!*

I won't be posting much on this topic until I have more value to add
o Or, if someone else proposes a Windows/Android/iOS solution method

Since we're adults, we can _easily_ & instantly agree on facts & logic:

Desktops come first!
o Linux & Mac are no brainers (I'll test Ubuntu 1st  as I research Windows)

Mobile devices come later...
o I have both iOS & Android (where Android always works 1st)

Platform issues:
o I don't forsee _any_ problem on Linux (Ubuntu 18.04 most likely).
o Windows WideCap _already_ failed basic tests (http://widecap.ru/en/)
o Windows FreeCap is, perhaps, the next logical step to explore...

Windows FreeCap vs (SocksCap) vs WideCap????
o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap>
o <http://www.freecap.ru/eng?p=download>
o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/tree/master/exe>
etc.

FreeCap v3.18:
o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecap.exe>
o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecapCon.exe>
o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecapConW.exe>
o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/proxy32.dll>
o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/inject.dll>

-- 
As a side note, you'll find that netfront.net:119 has an IP posting limit.
You can exceed that limit _only_ if you change your IP address. :)

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#54151 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

FromRene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
Date2019-02-21 15:19 -0600
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<gd8iueFjpm2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#54147
On 02/21/2019 2:38 PM, arlen holder wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 20:07:46 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
> 
>> If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).
> 
> o NNTP POSTING HOST = 94.16.113.142
> o LOCATION = Dresden, Germany
> o ISP = SSP Europe GmbH
> o PROTOCOL: UDP & NNTP
> 
> Hi owl,
> 
> *THANK YOU for proposing the "proxychain" potential solution!*
> 
> I am an adult, which means, in part, that I handle FACTS & LOGIC well.
> o Hence I don't disagree that "nix" OS's are, by far, the most powerful.
> 
> As I had explained, in hundreds of posts (let Cyber count them), if Mike,
> Frank, Rene, Dan, Cybe(r), Paul, Carlos, Jasen, et al., have a solution,
> their proposed solution should simply pass the 3-word bullshit test:
> o Name just one
> 
> *Your suggested solution easily & instantly passed a 3-word bullshit test!*
> 
> I won't be posting much on this topic until I have more value to add
> o Or, if someone else proposes a Windows/Android/iOS solution method
> 
> Since we're adults, we can _easily_ & instantly agree on facts & logic:
> 
> Desktops come first!
> o Linux & Mac are no brainers (I'll test Ubuntu 1st  as I research Windows)
> 
> Mobile devices come later...
> o I have both iOS & Android (where Android always works 1st)
> 
> Platform issues:
> o I don't forsee _any_ problem on Linux (Ubuntu 18.04 most likely).
> o Windows WideCap _already_ failed basic tests (http://widecap.ru/en/)
> o Windows FreeCap is, perhaps, the next logical step to explore...
> 
> Windows FreeCap vs (SocksCap) vs WideCap????
> o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap>
> o <http://www.freecap.ru/eng?p=download>
> o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/tree/master/exe>
> etc.
> 
> FreeCap v3.18:
> o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecap.exe>
> o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecapCon.exe>
> o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/freecapConW.exe>
> o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/proxy32.dll>
> o <https://github.com/zhlgh603/freecap/blob/master/exe/inject.dll>
> 

Is arlen looking for a proxy or a prosti, if the latter hes in the wrong 
MG.

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#54153 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2019-02-21 21:34 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<q4n90t.834.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#54145
owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> In alt.os.linux arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
[...]
> If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).
> 
> > 2. There's no overt indication (yet) it works on the other platforms yet.
> > 
> > The question that arises is very simple, & very (very) very obvious:
> > o Does it?
> 
> It can, with a bit of preliminaries.
> 
> For Mack, it should work out of the box.
> For ios, find some app that does similar.
> For Windows, use a Linux VM, or find some Windows app that does similar.

  Unless it (proxychains) does some very exotic stuff, it's quite likely
that it can be built (from source, etc.) under Cygwin. Perhaps there
even is already a ready-built Cygwin package.

> For Android, install UserLand linux:
> 
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tech.ula
> 
> or find some android app that does similar.

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#54157 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2019-02-22 01:14 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<slrnq6uj7p.1ekb.g.kreme@jaka.local>
In reply to#54145
In message <zcv903agawga.u4@rooftop.invalid> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).

Hahahaha! A new front runner in "dumbest things said by a human"
contest.

-- 
Amazingly Beautiful Creatures Dancing Excites the Forest Glade, in my
Heart how I do Jump like the Kudo Listen to the Music so Nice the Organ
Plays. Quietly Rests the Sleepy Tiger Under the Vine tree at the Water's
side and X marks the spot 'neath the Yellow moon where the Zulu king and
I did hide.

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#54215 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Fromowl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Date2019-02-25 01:53 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<8zxcb803t.a4@rooftop.invalid>
In reply to#54157
In alt.os.linux Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <zcv903agawga.u4@rooftop.invalid> owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> If you "severely limit it" to the undisputed *best* platform (Linux).
> 
> Hahahaha! A new front runner in "dumbest things said by a human"
> contest.
> 

Can Darwin Award OS do this?
https://streamable.com/dk2kl

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#54158 — Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

FromJasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz>
Date2019-02-22 04:20 +0000
SubjectRe: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<q4nt9r$rq9$1@gonzo.revmaps.no-ip.org>
In reply to#54130
below all the meta descussion you ask some understandable technical
questions, if you can read that far you might find some useful answers.

On 2019-02-21, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 12:09:01 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> Using a VPN as a method of concealing his own IP connectivity is one 
>> strategy for solving his dilemma, but I don't think it is an ideal one.

> I'm a man of action, so, I ask you a simple 3-word bullshit test:
> o Name just one

It's the "three word bullshit" again..  name just one what?

you get tho choose between the free VPN service operated by the FBI, the
one operated by the KGB, and the one operated by the "direct marketeer",
can you guess which is which?

> I also ask that you stop incessantly assuming I beat my wife, Mike.

You brought it up. and in aycase you hve no authority to tell anone
what to think. (perhaps you mean something different)

> o Just stop with the nefarious bullshit
> o If the only way your argument works is that I'm a pedophile, Mike
> o Then you have no argument, Mike. 


I can see him quoting out of context "I beat my wife, Mike." , "I'm a pedophile, Mike"
 
> *Please assume only one thing & one thing only: PRIVACY*
>
> Think about that.

please assume only privacy? It leaves me wondering why you posted it 
to usenet. I think it probably needs more words. 

> And you know I don't handle bullshit well, Mike.

indeed that is very evident.

> o It's all people like Jasen, Frank, Dan et al., _can_ do, Mike.

I look at understanding your bullshit as a challenge. if you were to
stop bullshitting I would stop responding to it. 

> I can't make you comprehend the simplest of PRIVACY Mike.

you need to use more words to explain the tings you want understood 

> o I can just give you the simplest of EXAMPLES, Mike.
>
> Here is the simplest of the simplest of the simplest of tests:
> 1. Post using Netfront (like I am doing right now, Mike).
> 2. Tell me how to _change_ the resulting NNTP posting host to anything 

_you_ can't change it to anything they control its content. 

> 3. The goal is to not be static, and not to be mine (it's simple, Mike)

what would be yours and what would be not-yours? if you rent a VPS is
it yours or not yours? 

> That's the _simplest_ I can explain the problem set, Mike.
> o If you can't solve _that_ problem, then you are spewing bullshit.
>
> Here's the NNTP Posting Host, Mike:
> o 187.182.172.64 (bbb6ac40.virtua.com.br)
> o Serviços de Comunicação S.A. (AS28573), 
> o NET Virtua, City:	Guarulhos, Sao Paulo, Brazil
> o <https://www.whois.com/whois/187.182.172.64>
> etc.
>
> HINT: I'd _love_ to use a proxy; if it worked as well as does VPN.
> o Name just one

If a VPN gives acceptable privacy use a VPN. just be aware that the
free ones are probably in the business of snooping on their customers.

> If there's a better way to arbitrarily change the posting host to any
> of thousands of choices at any moment in time, then, Mike:
> o *Name just one*

There's no way to do that. even a VPN provider doesn't give you much
diversity, all their IP addresses are typically in the same block
and they're often identified as VPN in geoip databases.

-- 
  When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

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#54102

FromJasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz>
Date2019-02-20 19:17 +0000
Message-ID<q4k956$m0j$1@gonzo.alcatraz>
In reply to#54098
On 2019-02-20, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <q4iqjm$re8$2@gonzo.alcatraz>,
>  Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> On 2019-02-19, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
>> > They think it's me confused, but all I did was ask this simple question:
>> > Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?
>> > A: Name just one.
>> 
>> > They think it's me confused, but all I did was ask this simple question:
>> > Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?
>> 
>> yes, if you keep repeating the same question you will keep getting the
>> same answer.
>> 
>> for example leafnode is free, and inn is free. leafonode is a proxy
>> and inn is a server.
>
> If you're going to bother responding to him, stop being deliberately 
> obtuse.
>
> He's not looking for proxy software, he's looking for a proxy service. 
> He explained his goal, so the ambiguity in the language has been 
> resolved and you just look like an a-hole giving the same answer over 
> and over.

What is is is that he got shown to be wrong in some other newsgroup so
he comes here trying to demand a certain answer to a badly-worded
question, so that he can then cite some "expert" answer.

I guess there is a possibility that he writes things without thinking,
although he does claim to think carefully, some of his arguments are 
truly a site to behold.

If he was actually looking for a proxy service he would actually be
asking for a proxy service by now.

Thers's a possibility that he's finding it hard to maintain a server
to post through due to reputation, and wants to find a new way to 
post without changing the way he posts (if you catch my drift). He's
not the worst troll on the internet, and he is more entertaining than
most.

-- 
  When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.

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#53993

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2019-02-19 01:12 +0000
Message-ID<q4fl5r$vaa$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53972
On 2019-02-18, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:44:11 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
><unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>

....

>
> I'm well aware of that. It's the nature of language. I can't object to
> that; it's a fact of life. But I can object to it's happening very
> quickly. To my way of thinking, because of television and the
> Internet, these days it happens too quickly, much more quickly than it

Too quickly now? I think Shakespeare introduced something like a few
thousand new words into English. That is "rapidly" In fact the late
Elizabethan theatre was rife with new useage. 

> used to. Too quickly, to me, means that it's very difficult for
> everyone to keep up with it, and the result is that communication is
> impeded.

Yup, that is what Shakespeare and Chaucer etc did, impede  language.
>

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#53995

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 20:18 -0500
Message-ID<180220192018238614%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#53972
In article <hqfm6etrhr3tvjmhm8e48nr08rg58pl54v@4ax.com>, Ken Blake
<Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> >>>>> What the hell are cites?
> >>>> 
> >>>> References.
> >>>> 
> >>>
> >>>Thanks, I was mistaking it for sites.
> >>
> >>
> >> As far as I'm concerned, you are right, and the original post with the
> >> word "cites" is wrong. "Cite" is a verb, not a noun. The noun is
> >> "citation."
> >>
> >> I'm sure I'm going to get arguments about this, telling me I'm an old
> >> fuddy-duddy and I'm behind the times. So I'll repeat my first five
> >> words in the paragraph above: "as far as I'm concerned."
> >
> >English has the ability of making verbs into nouns. 
> 
> 
> I knew I would get an argument. Maybe more are coming.
> 
> You are certainly right. There are many, many examples of that. Some
> of those have been around for a long time. Some of them started very
> recently.
> 
> Making nouns out of verbs is only one example of the way English
> changes. It also makes verbs out of nouns, and changes in many other
> ways. Like all languages, English changes over the years. Today's
> English isn't the same as Shakespeare's, and Shakespeare's wasn't the
> same as Chaucer's. And Italian isn't the same as Latin.
> 
> I'm well aware of that. It's the nature of language. I can't object to
> that; it's a fact of life. But I can object to it's happening very
> quickly. To my way of thinking, because of television and the
> Internet, these days it happens too quickly, much more quickly than it
> used to. Too quickly, to me, means that it's very difficult for
> everyone to keep up with it, and the result is that communication is
> impeded.

where 'quickly' is 'in my lifetime', and nothing is impeded.

> So wherever possible, I personally avoid those "nouns" made of verbs.
> I say (and write) "clean installation, " not "clean install,"
> "invitation" not "invite," "citation" not "cite," and many other
> examples that don't spring to the mind at the moment.
> 
> I know. I'm an old fuddy-duddy and I'm behind the times. So be it.

if you insist.

> There's an office complex near my home that has a sign in front of it:
> "If you officed here, you'd be home now." Besides making up the verb
> "office" from the noun "office," the sign makes no sense. 

it makes perfect sense. it's a variant of the common sign, 'if you
lived here, you'd be home now':

<https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4097/4936701584_0fefe13994_b.jpg>

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#53967

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-18 23:32 +0000
Message-ID<q4ff9m$rqs$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53924
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 11:15:26 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

>>> What the hell are cites?
>> 
>> References.
>> 
> 
> Thanks, I was mistaking it for sites.

idiot

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#54006

Frombje@ripco.com
Date2019-02-19 11:37 +0000
Message-ID<q4gppv$9ee$1@remote5bge0.ripco.com>
In reply to#53967
In comp.sys.mac.apps arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 11:15:26 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> 
>>>> What the hell are cites?
>>> 
>>> References.
>>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, I was mistaking it for sites.
> 
> idiot

Pot, Kettle, Black.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

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#54026

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 09:19 -0600
Message-ID<20190219091957.112ba6cf@WizardsTower>
In reply to#53967
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:32:07 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 11:15:26 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> 
> >>> What the hell are cites?  
> >> 
> >> References.
> >>   
> > 
> > Thanks, I was mistaking it for sites.  
> 
> idiot

Infantile caller-of-names.  Babyish.  What a child you Arlen.

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#53935

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 20:44 +0100
Message-ID<aherjf-jeu.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#53910
On 18/02/2019 16.17, arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 10:49:42 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> There is an nntp proxy, I use one - but it sits in my very own computer.
>> It is called leafnode - seek it up in the wikipedia. It is not used for
>> anonymity: its original creation purpose was for use with dial up modems.
> 
> All I want, Carlos, is what I get with VPN, Carlos, but where I _accept_
> that I'm using VPN as a "glorified proxy".
> 
> I just want to change my IP address at will, Carlos.
> o Does this "leafnode" allow many different free IP address proxying?

Of course not.

> 
> Let me look it up.
> <http://leafnode.org/doc_en/leafnode.8.html>
> 
> It's an NNTP server. 
> o Offhand, I don't think that will work, but let's delve deeper to see...

Actually, it is an nntp proxy server, but not what you think a proxy is.

> 
> Maybe there is a clever way to use "leafnode" to change the IP address?

No.

> 
>> A user would connect the modem and fire up the "fetch news cycle":
>> leafnode collects all new messages on the groups it follows (not all
>> groups). Then the modem would disconnect. The user or users would read
>> the posts, write answers using any normal nntp client software, which
>> for all purposes would think they were connected to a normal nntp server
>> on Internet.  Finally, the machine would fire up the modem and send all
>> pending nntp posts in a few seconds of connection.
> 
> Hi Carlos,
> I'm _only_ about _actionable_ solutions (i.e., real solutions).

Only after you really state the problem that you want to solve. When
that is known then we can offer solutions.

> o And, in general, I'm about _general_ purpose solutions.
> (That is, solutions that work for everyone; not just for me.)
> 
> I like this leafnode idea, which I am unfamiliar with ... at the moment.
> 
> This "leafnode" might actually be useful - in a "modem" sort of way.
> o Replace the word "modem" with "vpn" to get the idea...
> 
> I guess "one way" leafnode would work would be that we do this:
> 1. We connect to free public VPN of our choice
>     (a proxy would be better - but it has to exist!)
> 2. We use leafnode to connect to a free public nntp server of our choice
>     (we use leafnode to pull down all the traffic & disconnect from VPN)
> 3. We then use leafnode again to connect to the free public VPN.
>     (and we send all the articles that we composed offline)

The headers still trace you fully.

...

Uff, the rest of your post is way to long for my patience. Skipping.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#53938

FromKen Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
Date2019-02-18 13:41 -0700
Message-ID<t06m6e1ndmvr791k11m5pusc7a8ciuhdtr@4ax.com>
In reply to#53935
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 20:44:10 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 18/02/2019 16.17, arlen holder wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 10:49:42 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> 
>>> There is an nntp proxy, I use one - but it sits in my very own computer.
>>> It is called leafnode - seek it up in the wikipedia. It is not used for
>>> anonymity: its original creation purpose was for use with dial up modems.
>> 
>> All I want, Carlos, is what I get with VPN, Carlos, but where I _accept_
>> that I'm using VPN as a "glorified proxy".
>> 
>> I just want to change my IP address at will, Carlos.
>> o Does this "leafnode" allow many different free IP address proxying?
>
>Of course not.
>
>> 
>> Let me look it up.
>> <http://leafnode.org/doc_en/leafnode.8.html>
>> 
>> It's an NNTP server. 
>> o Offhand, I don't think that will work, but let's delve deeper to see...
>
>Actually, it is an nntp proxy server, but not what you think a proxy is.
>
>> 
>> Maybe there is a clever way to use "leafnode" to change the IP address?
>
>No.
>
>> 
>>> A user would connect the modem and fire up the "fetch news cycle":
>>> leafnode collects all new messages on the groups it follows (not all
>>> groups). Then the modem would disconnect. The user or users would read
>>> the posts, write answers using any normal nntp client software, which
>>> for all purposes would think they were connected to a normal nntp server
>>> on Internet.  Finally, the machine would fire up the modem and send all
>>> pending nntp posts in a few seconds of connection.
>> 
>> Hi Carlos,
>> I'm _only_ about _actionable_ solutions (i.e., real solutions).
>
>Only after you really state the problem that you want to solve. When
>that is known then we can offer solutions.



Why do you want to help a troll? You should killfile him, not offer
him solutions.

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