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What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Started byarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
First post2019-02-17 20:23 +0000
Last post2019-02-19 13:22 -0800
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  What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 20:23 +0000
    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-17 12:46 -0800
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 21:44 +0000
        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-17 14:29 -0800
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 23:15 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 10:49 +0100
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 02:21 -0800
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 12:13 +0100
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:30 -0800
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:33 +0100
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:14 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 00:33 +0100
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:41 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:22 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:00 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:06 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:39 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 08:41 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:32 +0100
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-18 21:38 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:30 +0100
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:18 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:18 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:31 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:28 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:55 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 10:18 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 21:24 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:47 +0100
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:26 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 00:35 +0100
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:40 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:21 -0600
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-19 21:33 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:21 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 15:55 -0800
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:15 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 00:36 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 03:24 +0100
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:07 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 01:39 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 01:51 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 03:25 +0100
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 02:36 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 16:00 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:25 -0800
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 18:28 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 19:05 +0000
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 11:52 -0800
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 21:13 +0000
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 21:33 +0000
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 13:43 -0800
                                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 22:00 +0000
                                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 22:20 +0000
                                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 22:55 +0000
                                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 22:10 +0000
                                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 14:24 -0800
                                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 23:04 +0000
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 17:20 -0600
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 15:23 -0800
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 23:25 +0000
                                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 13:23 +0000
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 09:15 -0800
                                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 18:41 +0000
                                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 22:59 +0100
                                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 22:11 +0000
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 15:39 -0600
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 23:22 +0000
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 13:42 +0000
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 12:57 +0000
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-20 14:51 -0500
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 21:49 +0000
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 12:51 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:17 -0600
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-19 10:32 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:43 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 16:48 -0800
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:54 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:50 -0600
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:52 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:25 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 00:27 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:49 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 08:58 -0600
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-18 05:31 -0500
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:13 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:43 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 16:50 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:31 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:10 -0600
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 12:24 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:52 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 17:02 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:31 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:08 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:01 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:38 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 09:59 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:22 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:32 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:38 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? shemp14@outlook.com - 2019-02-18 17:01 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 11:15 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 12:05 -0700
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-18 14:15 -0500
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-18 21:44 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 16:47 -0700
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:05 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:56 -0600
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 06:03 +0000
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-20 10:56 -0500
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-20 19:20 +0000
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:09 -0800
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                                                Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 21:34 +0000
                                                Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-22 01:14 +0000
                                                  Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-25 01:53 +0000
                                          Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-22 04:20 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 19:17 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 01:12 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:18 -0500
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:32 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:37 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:19 -0600
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:44 +0100
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 13:41 -0700
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:10 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:40 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:58 -0600
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:52 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-19 12:16 -0500
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 21:16 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 05:51 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-18 19:18 -0500
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:12 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-18 21:33 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 21:50 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 11:26 +0100
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 11:00 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 15:46 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 23:05 +0100
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 23:53 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-21 06:02 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:03 -0800
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-21 00:15 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-19 08:49 -0700
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2019-02-19 10:01 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-19 16:45 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:05 +0100
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 20:59 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 22:36 +0100
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-22 18:29 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-22 20:03 +0100
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-22 15:42 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:01 -0600
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-19 09:06 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-19 11:12 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:07 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:15 -0600
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-19 12:21 -0500
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:07 +0100
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-20 10:52 -0500
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 23:07 +0100
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-20 17:17 -0500
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-20 23:16 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 15:38 -0800
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 00:11 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:23 -0800
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:31 -0800
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 08:54 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com> - 2019-02-23 08:32 +1100
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-22 13:52 -0800
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-23 10:33 -0500
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-23 16:39 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 08:54 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 01:29 +0100
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 17:02 -0800
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-02-20 19:36 -0700
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 12:17 +0100
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-02-21 10:32 -0700
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 20:45 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 22:42 +0100
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-21 16:52 -0500
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-22 20:05 +0100
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-22 16:36 -0500
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-23 14:15 +0100
                                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-23 08:31 -0500
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 14:16 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:28 +0000
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:40 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:45 +0000
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-18 10:10 -0600
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:28 +0000
    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? georg.schwarz@freenet.de (Georg Schwarz) - 2019-02-18 22:35 +0100
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:10 +0000
        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:42 -0600
    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:55 +0000
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:04 -0600
        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:14 +0000
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    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 19:43 +0000
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-19 15:42 -0600
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#53893 — What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-17 20:23 +0000
SubjectWhat's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
Message-ID<q4cfr6$e8h$1@news.mixmin.net>
Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?

Advice for beginners in getting up to speed in minutes on VPN was posted 
this morning where the question then came up of a "free Usenet proxy".
o How to get up & running on a free public vpn service in minutes 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc>

Mike Easter, always being purposefully helpful, suggested another POV:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc/lcJ5Jo8OEgAJ>

Specifically, Mike referred to this helpful article saying not to use a 
public VPN service as a "glorified proxy"
o Don't use VPN services.
 <https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29>

The article Mike kindly referred to suggests using a "specific proxy" instead:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc/oAPYdk4QEgAJ>

That's all well & good if you're posting to Usenet via a browser:
o TBB <https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en> 
o Opera VPN Browser <https://www.opera.com/computer/features/free-vpn> 
o Epic Privacy Browser <https://www.epicbrowser.com/> 
etc. 

There's nothing wrong with the alternative POV of that article other than 
the unanswered question, which is the question asked in this thread.

What proxy answers the specific problem set is of finding a reasonably fast 
& reliable free proxy that allows the user to post to free news servers?

In summary, for _any_ common consumer platform (Win/Linux/Mac/iOS/Android):
Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?

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#53894

FromMike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Date2019-02-17 12:46 -0800
Message-ID<gctvhhF98aaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53893
arlen holder wrote:
> The article Mike kindly referred to suggests using a "specific proxy" instead:

That is not correct.

The gistgithub article is NOT 'favorable' to proxies; and it mentions 
proxy in the par "So when should I use a VPN?" and then the usage is in 
a larger context going in the direction of a personal VPN at a VPS.  It 
does repeat opining saying that VPNs are glorified proxies; but I don't 
want to defend every word in the article, but instead to expose its 
point of view.

It is definitely not an article pro-proxy anti-VPN, but more an article 
reminding the reader that "A VPN provider specifically seeks out those 
who are looking for privacy, and who may thus have interesting traffic. 
Statistically speaking, it is more likely that a VPN provider will be 
malicious or a honeypot, than that an arbitrary generic VPS provider 
will be."

The article comes on a little stronger about that than I would be, but 
if you explore the content of the TOPS* site you can sense that the user 
who is encourage to be a VPN user and then goes hunting for the best VPN 
will more likely be reading the wrong pages than the right ones.

*https://thatoneprivacysite.net/

-- 
Mike Easter

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#53895

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-17 21:44 +0000
Message-ID<q4ckke$mkb$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53894
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:46:40 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

> Mike Easter

Hi Mike,

None of what you wrote even remotely answers the question.
o I don't fear a thread that has no good answer.

Sometimes, an intelligent person provides a useful answer.
o If so, we _all_ benefit from that intelligent person's knowledge.

Sometimes nobody knows the answer to the question
o That's OK; then I don't need to respond to ignorant drivel as a result

The question is patently simple - which asks intelligent users simply...
Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

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#53896

FromMike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Date2019-02-17 14:29 -0800
Message-ID<gcu5j2FahqfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53895
arlen holder wrote:
> Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even 
consider it worth discussing.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#53897

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-17 23:15 +0000
Message-ID<q4cpus$1hh$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53896
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:29:54 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

> I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even 
> consider it worth discussing.

The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.

Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.

Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

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#53901

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 10:49 +0100
Message-ID<mmbqjf-8d3.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#53897
On 18/02/2019 00.15, arlen holder wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:29:54 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
> 
>> I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even 
>> consider it worth discussing.
> 
> The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.
> 
> Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.

I hate your mania of saying that phrase.

> 
> Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
> 

I don't have the foggiest idea what an nntp proxy would be in your
context, what would it be useful for.

An nntp proxy would just be an nntp server that forwards to another nntp
server - which by definition converts it into another nntp server, not a
proxy. It would not necessarily anonymize the user.


There is an nntp proxy, I use one - but it sits in my very own computer.
It is called leafnode - seek it up in the wikipedia. It is not used for
anonymity: its original creation purpose was for use with dial up modems.

A user would connect the modem and fire up the "fetch news cycle":
leafnode collects all new messages on the groups it follows (not all
groups). Then the modem would disconnect. The user or users would read
the posts, write answers using any normal nntp client software, which
for all purposes would think they were connected to a normal nntp server
on Internet.  Finally, the machine would fire up the modem and send all
pending nntp posts in a few seconds of connection.

This would happen daily, hourly, or any period the admin would define
with cron.  This was/is on Linux, maybe there were other tools for Windows.

The current advantage now that dial up modems are not used is that the
clients read posts much faster. It also allows automatic connection to
several upstream nntp servers: if one doesn't work, it goes to another.

I can also search for a text on a group or bunch of groups, because the
"server" is in my machine and I have access to its files.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#53902

FromMike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 02:21 -0800
Message-ID<gcvf99Fj1neU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53901
Carlos E.R. wrote:
> arlen holder wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>>> I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
>>> consider it worth discussing.
>>
>> The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.
>>
>> Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.
> 
> I hate your mania of saying that phrase.
> 
>>
>> Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
>>
> 
> I don't have the foggiest idea what an nntp proxy would be in your
> context, what would it be useful for.
> 

I believe he is deriving his concept of such a proxy from his 
interpretation of an article which he believes suggested that specific 
proxies for specific purposes could suit his idea of an alternate to his 
purpose of using a VPN to access his nntp provider and thus conceal his 
connectivity IP from the nntp admin OR perhaps because he believes that 
the encryption of the directly connecting IP is too frail to suit his 
idea of security from having his nntp connecting IP decryptable by 
others who examine the NPH of the headers.

But; it is difficult for me to delineate just what security/privacy 
issue he is actually debating.  That is, it is unclear to me what he is 
concerned about hiding from whom.

Personally I don't believe that the content of encrypted NPH is a 
security risk because I don't believe that it is trivial to crack.

However, if one needed to conceal their connectivity IP from the nntp 
admin, that is another matter altogether which has nothing to do with 
cracking the encoded NPH or any changing of its algo.

Sometimes it is hard to focus arlen on which matters are agreed upon, 
which matters are agreed to disagree, and which matters are important 
only to him and not to other discussants.


-- 
Mike Easter

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#53904

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 12:13 +0100
Message-ID<4kgqjf-s57.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#53902
On 18/02/2019 11.21, Mike Easter wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> arlen holder wrote:
>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even
>>>> consider it worth discussing.
>>>
>>> The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.
>>>
>>> Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.
>>
>> I hate your mania of saying that phrase.
>>
>>>
>>> Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
>>>
>>
>> I don't have the foggiest idea what an nntp proxy would be in your
>> context, what would it be useful for.
>>
> 
> I believe he is deriving his concept of such a proxy from his
> interpretation of an article which he believes suggested that specific
> proxies for specific purposes could suit his idea of an alternate to his
> purpose of using a VPN to access his nntp provider and thus conceal his
> connectivity IP from the nntp admin OR perhaps because he believes that
> the encryption of the directly connecting IP is too frail to suit his
> idea of security from having his nntp connecting IP decryptable by
> others who examine the NPH of the headers.

For hiding the IP the only recourse I'd see is some sort of VPN (even
TOR), because the IP you get on the computer is not the normal one. But
then you need an nntp access: there are some that do not require an
account, like aioe, but others require login/password, and thus the VPN
is defeated.

As Paul explains, an specific nntp "proxy" would just be some type of
nntp server, and thus the others would isolate the server if it behaves
badly. It would be just another nntp server and thus traceable.


> But; it is difficult for me to delineate just what security/privacy
> issue he is actually debating.  That is, it is unclear to me what he is
> concerned about hiding from whom.
> 
> Personally I don't believe that the content of encrypted NPH is a
> security risk because I don't believe that it is trivial to crack.
> 
> However, if one needed to conceal their connectivity IP from the nntp
> admin, that is another matter altogether which has nothing to do with
> cracking the encoded NPH or any changing of its algo.

Right.

> Sometimes it is hard to focus arlen on which matters are agreed upon,
> which matters are agreed to disagree, and which matters are important
> only to him and not to other discussants.

(chuckle)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#53908

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
Message-ID<q4eib2$7o0$2@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53904
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:13:40 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> For hiding the IP the only recourse I'd see is some sort of VPN 

Hi Carlos,
To clarify...

All I'm asking is for a free proxy that I can connect to first.
o And then I can connect to a free nntp server second.

I believe those are two completely separate actions, are they not?

I do that today, using VPN as a "glorified proxy".
o My intent is simply to change the NNTP posting host to an arbitrary IP.

All this thread asks is whether a "proxy" exists that works like this:
1. Connect to the proxy (to obtain an arbitary IP address)
2. Pull down Usenet messages (& disconnect from that proxy perhaps)
3. Respond to the Usenet messages offline (which is what I do today)
4. Reconnect to the proxy to SEND those messages.

I do that today using VPN.
o I don't need the encryption of VPN
o I just need the random IP address of VPN

Mike had posted an article that advised using a proxy instead of a VPN.
o I have _nothing_ against that advice.

Does that proxy exist?
o That is the question.

I'm always seeking a better general purpose solution, Carlos.
o Hence I ask this extremely simple question (which may have no answer).

Q: *Is there a free proxy that will work with the free Usenet servers?*

-- 
Note: if this free proxy doesn't exist, then the article was advising utter
and total bullshit, and I clearly hate bullshit since I'm ONLY about
general purpose actionable solutions.

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#53925

FromMike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 09:30 -0800
Message-ID<gd08ddFon0vU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53908
arlen holder wrote:
> Mike had posted an article that advised using a proxy instead of a VPN.

I don't believe that article even /considered/ VPN for nntp access.  And 
the article was more favorable to private VPN at a VPS than to proxies 
for some things that have nothing to do with nntp access.


-- 
Mike Easter

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#53950

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
Message-ID<q4fb6p$kpo$6@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53925
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:30:21 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

> I don't believe that article even /considered/ VPN for nntp access.

Hi Mike,

I mirror your intent, as always...

Thank you for showing that you comprehended the problem set.
o I'm a man FACT + LOGIC = ACTION

I also am blunt.
o You never have to worry about what I'm thinking about what you say, Mike.

I don't have social skills to play games or be coy or insincere, Mike.
o I simply tell you exactly what I think about what you write.

Fact is, if a proxy existed - I'd use it.
o But it doesn't appear to exist (at least not yet).

I wish it did exist.
o But if it doesn't exit, then recommencing it is total ignorant bullshit.

LOGIC:
If the purpose of using VPN is to change the IP address for nntp traffic...
o Then a "proxy" should work.

But, if a proxy doesn't exist that works on nntp traffic...
o Then we're back to using VPN to change the IP address.

Proxies do certainly work for _other_ things...for example:
o For browsers, "proxy-based-browsers" exist.
   a. TBB
   b. Epic
   c. Opera

Even if a user didn't want to use _those_ three browsers (only two of which
work on Linux), they still have _plenty_ of proxies to choose from for
web-based traffic.

That is, if a user wanted to use, oh, say, IE or Edge or Firefox, we _all_ 
know that free web-based proxies exist in the, oh, I don't know, in the 
thousands (although once I mention any "number", then the numbertrolls
like Rene and Dan and especially Cybe(r) perk up like a cat pouncing on 
a laser beam) since all they _can_ do is troll.

But for NNTP traffic, which is _why_ I use VPN, saying to use a proxy
is worthless unless a proxy exists.

If that proxy existed - and if it was free and easy to set up, and
otherwise not unreliable ... I'd use it Mike.

But it has to exist first.
o Does it?

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#53954

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 23:33 +0100
Message-ID<oeorjf-ad2.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#53950
On 18/02/2019 23.22, arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:30:21 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
> 
>> I don't believe that article even /considered/ VPN for nntp access.
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I mirror your intent, as always...
> 
> Thank you for showing that you comprehended the problem set.
> o I'm a man FACT + LOGIC = ACTION
> 
> I also am blunt.
> o You never have to worry about what I'm thinking about what you say, Mike.
> 
> I don't have social skills to play games or be coy or insincere, Mike.
> o I simply tell you exactly what I think about what you write.
> 
> Fact is, if a proxy existed - I'd use it.
> o But it doesn't appear to exist (at least not yet).
> 
> I wish it did exist.
> o But if it doesn't exit, then recommencing it is total ignorant bullshit.
> 
> LOGIC:
> If the purpose of using VPN is to change the IP address for nntp traffic...
> o Then a "proxy" should work.
> 
> But, if a proxy doesn't exist that works on nntp traffic...
> o Then we're back to using VPN to change the IP address.
> 
> Proxies do certainly work for _other_ things...for example:
> o For browsers, "proxy-based-browsers" exist.
>    a. TBB
>    b. Epic
>    c. Opera
> 
> Even if a user didn't want to use _those_ three browsers (only two of which
> work on Linux), they still have _plenty_ of proxies to choose from for
> web-based traffic.
> 
> That is, if a user wanted to use, oh, say, IE or Edge or Firefox, we _all_ 
> know that free web-based proxies exist in the, oh, I don't know, in the 
> thousands (although once I mention any "number", then the numbertrolls
> like Rene and Dan and especially Cybe(r) perk up like a cat pouncing on 
> a laser beam) since all they _can_ do is troll.
> 
> But for NNTP traffic, which is _why_ I use VPN, saying to use a proxy
> is worthless unless a proxy exists.
> 
> If that proxy existed - and if it was free and easy to set up, and
> otherwise not unreliable ... I'd use it Mike.
> 
> But it has to exist first.
> o Does it?

Already answered: *NO*.

Even more: it can not be done.

Why? It has already been explained by people you dismiss.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#53962

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-18 23:14 +0000
Message-ID<q4fe8l$pua$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53954
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:33:28 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Already answered: *NO*.
> 
> Even more: it can not be done.
> 
> Why? It has already been explained by people you dismiss.

Hi Carlos,

Please act like an adult, Carlos.
o Do not ascribe YOUR confusion to me, Carlos.

I knew, at the time I originally asked the question, that it's LIKELY non
existent; but, I had to ask since Mike brought up the proxy use model.

Every time Mike or Dan or William or Frank or you spews your ignorant
bullshit, I _remind_ you of the topic of this thread.

The fact I remind you of the topic of the thread when you spew ignorant
bullshit, is NOT indicative that I "dismiss" the answer.

Remember, I was almost positive at the start that the proxy doesn't exist.

So please, Carlos, stop spewing ignorant bullshit.
o It's YOU who misunderstand; not me.

*I am simply REMINDING the ignorant posters of the TOPIC of this thread.*

Bear in mind, this thread _should_ have had only one post, because the
answer is that there are 0 proxies that do what Mike's article suggested.

Zero.
Hence EVERY post in this thread greater than 1 was a waste of all our time.

If the keyword trolls didn't exist, this thread would have only 1 post.

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#53968

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 00:33 +0100
Message-ID<40srjf-d8p.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#53962
On 19/02/2019 00.14, arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:33:28 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> Already answered: *NO*.
>>
>> Even more: it can not be done.
>>
>> Why? It has already been explained by people you dismiss.
> 
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> Please act like an adult, Carlos.
> o Do not ascribe YOUR confusion to me, Carlos.
> 
> I knew, at the time I originally asked the question, that it's LIKELY non
> existent; but, I had to ask since Mike brought up the proxy use model.
> 
> Every time Mike or Dan or William or Frank or you spews your ignorant
> bullshit, I _remind_ you of the topic of this thread.
> 
> The fact I remind you of the topic of the thread when you spew ignorant
> bullshit, is NOT indicative that I "dismiss" the answer.
> 
> Remember, I was almost positive at the start that the proxy doesn't exist.
> 
> So please, Carlos, stop spewing ignorant bullshit.
> o It's YOU who misunderstand; not me.

There you are. When you don't like what we say you spew insults.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#53971

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-18 23:41 +0000
Message-ID<q4ffrk$sb3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#53968
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:33:56 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> There you are. When you don't like what we say you spew insults.

Carlos,

*When are you going to stop beating your wife, Carlos?*

You make a baseless claim, and then you HIDE behind it
o You don't defend your baseless claim, since you can't.

It's no different than saying I beat my wife.

And then when I respond that yours is a baseless claim
o You hide behind the fact that I called your bluff.

THIS IS  A FACT CARLOS:
o You made a baseless claim (multiple times).
o And then you hide behind it.

It's no different from me asking you...
*When are you going to stop beating your wife, Carlos?*

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#54029

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 09:22 -0600
Message-ID<20190219092239.74513337@WizardsTower>
In reply to#53971
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:41:41 +0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> I beat my wife.

Still?  I thought you stopped.

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#54012

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 09:00 -0600
Message-ID<20190219090038.19c5408b@WizardsTower>
In reply to#53950
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:22:17 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> I also am blunt.

We know that well, one and all.  It is very clear that you are NOT
sharp.

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#54013

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 09:06 -0600
Message-ID<20190219090630.069c189c@WizardsTower>
In reply to#53950
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:22:17 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> although once I mention any "number", then the numbertrolls
> like Rene and Dan and especially Cybe(r) perk up

Just can't get facts all in one row, can you, sweetheart?  I only call
attention to your having mentioned ONE SINGLE number which is TEN
THOUSAND as in the number of tutorials you claim to have written here:
Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>

I'm so glad you continue to mention me as that's the only time I get
to inform more and more people of your lying duplicity.  

Thanks, buddy!  You're constantly helping me spread that message of
your lies.  Good job!

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#53930

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2019-02-18 18:39 +0000
Message-ID<q4eu58$7ei$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53908
On 2019-02-18, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:13:40 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> For hiding the IP the only recourse I'd see is some sort of VPN 
>
> Hi Carlos,
> To clarify...
>
> All I'm asking is for a free proxy that I can connect to first.
> o And then I can connect to a free nntp server second.
>
> I believe those are two completely separate actions, are they not?
>
> I do that today, using VPN as a "glorified proxy".
> o My intent is simply to change the NNTP posting host to an arbitrary IP.

Aha. AGain someone who asks us to OK his particular solution to a
problem rather than stating the problem and asking for a solution. 

And it is not at all clear what the purpose would be, except maybe to
hide that some one of a variety fo aliases is actually you-- ie to spam
the newsgroups.
Anyway, use a VPN.


>
> All this thread asks is whether a "proxy" exists that works like this:

Why is that a proxy?

> 1. Connect to the proxy (to obtain an arbitary IP address)
> 2. Pull down Usenet messages (& disconnect from that proxy perhaps)
> 3. Respond to the Usenet messages offline (which is what I do today)
> 4. Reconnect to the proxy to SEND those messages.
>
> I do that today using VPN.
> o I don't need the encryption of VPN
> o I just need the random IP address of VPN

So you have answered your question. Why do you care if it is encrypted
on the way or not. (It of course is encrypted via a Ceasar cypher-- A is
repreented by some bitpatterns that look nothing like A. 
>
> Mike had posted an article that advised using a proxy instead of a VPN.
> o I have _nothing_ against that advice.
>
> Does that proxy exist?
> o That is the question.
>
> I'm always seeking a better general purpose solution, Carlos.
> o Hence I ask this extremely simple question (which may have no answer).
>
> Q: *Is there a free proxy that will work with the free Usenet servers?*
>

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#53949

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
Message-ID<q4fb6n$kpo$5@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53930
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 18:39:36 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

> Aha. AGain someone who asks us to OK his particular solution to a
> problem rather than stating the problem and asking for a solution. 

Troll.

The question is very simple to comprehend, William Unruh:
Q: What's a free proxy that works with the free nntp servers out there?

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