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  Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-21 19:14 +0000
    Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2018-09-21 12:31 -0700
      Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-21 19:43 +0000
    Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-09-21 21:42 +0200
      Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-21 20:06 +0000
      Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-21 20:10 +0000
        Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-21 20:21 +0000
          Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-21 21:56 +0000
            Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-22 01:31 +0000
              Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Danny DeVito <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-22 00:59 -0400
                Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-22 12:29 +0000
                  Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2018-09-22 21:14 -0500
                    Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2018-09-22 21:31 -0500
                    Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-22 23:20 -0500
              Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2018-09-22 03:22 -0500
                Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-22 12:08 +0000
                  Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2018-09-22 21:05 -0500
    Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2018-09-22 04:10 +0200
      Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-22 03:40 +0000
      Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-21 23:41 -0400
        Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-22 14:11 +0000
      Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-22 16:35 +0000
        Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2018-09-22 19:08 +0200
          Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-22 17:34 +0000
            Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2018-09-23 06:18 +0200
              Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-23 13:22 +0000
                Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2018-09-23 16:16 +0200
                  Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-23 14:52 +0000
                  Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-23 15:25 +0000
                    Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-24 00:34 +0000
                      Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-24 03:15 +0000
                        Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2018-09-24 05:54 +0200
                          Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-09-24 05:08 -0400
                          Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-24 10:30 +0000
                            Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-24 11:35 +0000
                              Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-24 12:09 +0000
                                Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-24 13:00 +0000
                                  Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-09-24 21:17 +0000
                Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2018-09-23 14:43 -0500
                  Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-23 19:55 +0000
          Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-22 19:55 +0000
            Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-22 20:19 +0000
              Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2018-09-22 21:20 -0500
                Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2018-09-23 06:26 +0200
              Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-23 12:50 +0000
                Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-23 13:55 +0000
                  Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-23 14:40 +0000
                    Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-23 15:39 +0000
        Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-22 20:39 +0000
          Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-25 03:38 +0000
            Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2018-09-25 07:33 +0200
              Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-25 15:48 +0000
                Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2018-09-26 01:09 +0200
                  Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-26 00:07 +0000
                    Re: Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-26 00:17 +0000

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#50835 — Quick cross-platform question on Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics

Quick question about Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics.
I ask here and leave off the Apple folks since they just play silly games.

In your experience...
Q: Can the Mac dual boot to Ubuntu or at least boot off a bootable DVD?
A: ?

Q: If yes, does Ubuntu recognize the native Mac file system?
A: ?

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#50836

Arlen H. Holder wrote:
> In your experience...

No experience.

> Q: Can the Mac dual boot to Ubuntu or at least boot off a bootable DVD?
> A: ?

Yes.  This 2018 Jun article tells how to make a bootable Ub USB with the 
Mac and boot it and install it to a Mac part.

https://www.lifewire.com/dual-boot-linux-and-mac-os-4125733  How to 
Install and Dual Boot Linux and Mac OS

> Q: If yes, does Ubuntu recognize the native Mac file system?
> A: ?

Yes; you just have to disable journaling in the HFS.

https://lifehacker.com/5702815/the-complete-guide-to-sharing-your-data-across-multiple-operating-systems 
  A Comprehensive Guide to Sharing Your Data Across Multi-Booting 
Windows, Mac, and Linux PCs


-- 
Mike Easter

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#50838

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 12:31:01 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:

> Yes.  This 2018 Jun article tells how to make a bootable Ub USB with the 
> Mac and boot it and install it to a Mac part.
> 
> https://www.lifewire.com/dual-boot-linux-and-mac-os-4125733  How to 
> Install and Dual Boot Linux and Mac OS

Hi Mike Easter, 
Thanks for that information.

This means the Mac can...
a. Be set up for (permanent) dual boot to Ubuntu 18.04, or, 
b. Boot off a temporary Ubuntui 18.04 DVD or USB stick

>> Q: If yes, does Ubuntu recognize the native Mac file system?
>> A: ?
> 
> Yes; you just have to disable journaling in the HFS.

Thanks. With Windows, you have to disable "hibernation", so that's not
unusual to have to make minor tweaks to the "main" operating system.

Your information is _great_ news, which means that, instantly, Mac users
have the same power that everyone else has in making the iOS device into a
read/write USB stick simply by booting to Ubuntu 18.04 for free.

There are no hurdles now.

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#50837

Arlen,

Q: Can the Mac dual boot to Ubuntu or at least boot off a bootable DVD?
A: ?  Use Google.

Q: If yes, does Ubuntu recognize the native Mac file system?
A: ? Use Google.

And yes, I just did.  Less than 30 seconds and I had both questions 
answered.

> I ask here and leave off the Apple folks since they just play silly games.

It looks like they are not the only ones playing "silly games" ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#50839

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:42:21 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

> It looks like they are not the only ones playing "silly games" ...

Hi Rudy Wieser, 

You are a cowardly bully who is a well known worthless troll (mostly on the
WinXP ngs, where your worthless patently unhelpful trolls are legendary).

I only speak facts.

You have _never_ once added value to _any_ thread, and you certainly didn't
add any value here (hint: You can't ... you're a worthless troll).

You've never once written a tutorial to help others.
All you _can_ do, Rudy Wieser, is troll.

Your post, and mine responding to your cowardly bullying, is just wasting
everyone's time, as you _never_ once had helpful intent. Not once.

As you know, I've written thousands of tutorials, where I asked first on
the Mac newsgroups, where they said it couldn't be done, despite what you
might read in the papers.

I believe what Mike Easter supplied, as both his references appeared
trustworthy, and, most importantly, unlike you, the worthless troll Rudy
Wieser, Mike Easter posts with purposefully helpful intent.

What I'm trying to accomplish is well beyond your capabilities, Rudy
Wieser, simply because you have _never_ added a single iota of added value
to _any_ technical thread in your entire life.

Your post was devoid of helpful intent.
Mine is to write up a tutorial that adds the MacOS to the cross platform
capabilities that almost nobody knows about.

Think about *adding value* the next time you troll, you cowardly bully.

Here's the start of that tutorial where I hope, thanks to Mike Easter's
advice, to add the Mac to the existing capabilities of Windows, Android,
Linux, and iOS:
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IFC52JXBQ1c>

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#50840

R.Wieser wrote:
> Arlen,
>
> Q: Can the Mac dual boot to Ubuntu or at least boot off a bootable DVD?
> A: ?  Use Google.
>
> Q: If yes, does Ubuntu recognize the native Mac file system?
> A: ? Use Google.
>
> And yes, I just did.  Less than 30 seconds and I had both questions 
> answered.

You did it wrong.  You're supposed to write a novella about how your
method is revolutionary and that it's incomprehensible how no one has
thought of your process before.

and something about "facts".


-- 
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|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5  4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281

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#50841

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:10:10 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

> You did it wrong.  You're supposed to write a novella about how your
> method is revolutionary and that it's incomprehensible how no one has
> thought of your process before.
> 
> and something about "facts".

Stop playing your silly childish games Dan Purgert.
It only proves you have no value to add.

How many tutorials on the subject have _you_ written, Dan?
HINT: Zero.

Seriously. I'm trying to further the capabilities of the Apple users so
that they can boot to Ubuntu in order to turn their iOS device into a
read/write USB stick.

This is something they've wanted for *years*.

For you to play silly games, Dan Purgert, and for me to waste my time
responding to your cowardly bullying, Dan Purgert, is childish for both of
us.

*Please act like an adult, Dan Purgert.*

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#50842

Arlen H. Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:10:10 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
>
>> You did it wrong.  You're supposed to write a novella about how your
>> method is revolutionary and that it's incomprehensible how no one has
>> thought of your process before.
>> 
>> and something about "facts".
>
> Stop playing your silly childish games Dan Purgert.
> It only proves you have no value to add.A

Except where i pointed out why secondary and tertiary transfers of the
same data took a fraction of the time of the initial.  Or pointed out
that there are alternatives to "go to your computer and use usb.

>
> How many tutorials on the subject have _you_ written, Dan?
> HINT: Zero.

Actually, i wrote multiple tutorials during my time on my university's
helldesk.  Granted, that was like 10 years ago now, and if i still have
backups, they're less than useless these days.

> [...] 
> For you to play silly games, Dan Purgert, and for me to waste my time
> responding to your cowardly bullying, Dan Purgert, is childish for both of
> us. 

Bullying? Hardly.  Games? Sure, this was a tongue-in-cheek response to a
likewise silly jab at this thread's topic.


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|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
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#50843

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:56:47 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

> Except where i pointed out why secondary and tertiary transfers of the
> same data took a fraction of the time of the initial.  Or pointed out
> that there are alternatives to "go to your computer and use usb.

Dan Purgert,

This isnt' my first rodeo with worthless trolls like you, Dan Purgert.
Frank Slootweg said the same thing you did, for example.

He thinks because once in his life he was helpful, that he can then troll
with abandon, like you did, and we'll all give him a "bye". 

Let me give you a big hint, Dan Purgert:
a. My strategy has been honed over decades of being on Usenet
b. My tactics have been honed over decades of being on Usenet

The strategy is designed to funnel you into acting like an adult.
The tactics are to exactly *mirror* your attitude in my responses.

I ignore you, Dan Purgert, in threads I don't care about coming to a
resolution. 

I only bother to mirror your posts in the threads I author, where I care
very much that they come to a successful conclusion since I rarely author a
thread that doesn't *ask* a question.

Usenet is a "pot luck" where you have the choice, Dan Purgert
a. You can bring a pile of shit to the table, or, 
b. You can bring something to share with everyone else.

Remember, there are (at least) two different use models:
a. Chitchat (where you're not trying to accomplish anything)
b. FAQ (where you're trying to answer a question)

You use the chitchat model, clearly, where you don't care that you just
shit on the potluck picnic table. What you want me to do is to remember the
times you did NOT shit on the potluck picnic table and to ignore the fact
that you just shit on this potluck picnic table.

If you were Paul, or Mike Easter, or Marek, etc., then, sure, I'd cut you
some slack. But you're not even close to them in terms of what you offer to
improve the overall tribal knowledge of the group.

You shit on the potluck picnic table, and I'll call you out on it.
You bring something of use to others for the potluck, & we all appreciate
it.

HINT: I use the word 'shit' purposefully, as that's what you did.

>> How many tutorials on the subject have _you_ written, Dan?
>> HINT: Zero.
> 
> Actually, i wrote multiple tutorials during my time on my university's
> helldesk.  Granted, that was like 10 years ago now, and if i still have
> backups, they're less than useless these days.

I have likely written over ten thousand tutorials, where at my last
company, I wrote over five thousand alone. On the Internet, I don't know
how many I have, but if you assume that I write one a day sometimes, and at
least one a week, I have many thousands (i.e., I'm on many web forums).

The fact is that I'm *trying to get something done here*.
For you to shit on the table brings no value to anyone.

> Bullying? Hardly.  Games? Sure, this was a tongue-in-cheek response to a
> likewise silly jab at this thread's topic.

What you did was cowardly bullying and I called you out on it.

For you to shit on the table brings no value to anyone.
For me to have to tell you that wastes everyone's time, plus yours & mine.

Just act like an adult - and I'll mirror how you act.
It's a very simple equation, Dan Purgert.

This is the tutorial we're trying to hone, so that the Mac is included.
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IFC52JXBQ1c>

It contains hints that *nobody* on this newsgroup knows, and you know that
I checked with everyone before I said that. Everyone *thinks* they know it,
but they don't (because it's not intuitive how to make iOS writeable for
example).

It would be an adult thing, if you can add value to _that_ tutorial, as
Mike Easter just did earlier today. 

That's what adults do - they add value.
Adults are funny that way.

Let's move on. 
I treat every post in the manner it was meant,.

Just act like an adult in the _next_ post, and I'll  mirror your attitude.

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#50847

On 22/09/2018 02:31, Arlen H. Holder wrote:
>
>
> Let me give you a big hint, Dan Purgert:
> a. My strategy has been honed over decades of being on Usenet
> b. My tactics have been honed over decades of being on Usenet
>
>

"decades experience" and you are still as stupid as ever.  Why is this 
so Arlene?  Is it because something is wrong with you mentally?

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#50850

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 00:59:00 -0400, Danny DeVito wrote:

> "decades experience" and you are still as stupid as ever.  Why is this 
> so Arlene?  Is it because something is wrong with you mentally?

I think it's funny that someone with _zero_ added value, calls others
stupid, just as Cybe R. Wizard, with zero tutorials to his name, challenges
me on mine.

I'm always about:
a. Asking a question
b. Working the answers faithfully (and confronting coward bullies like you)
c. Writing up a solution for the tribal archives so all always benefit

Since I'm trying to _help_ people (I'm not just clickbait seeking
advertisers), I test and list _every single step_ in my tutorials.

They're easy to spot.

Here's just one tutorial that I wrote for the tribal archives where every
single step is documented (that's my style, I do not skip a single step,
which I do so that anyone can follow in my footsteps):
  How to set up a spare Linksys WRT54Gv2 as a wired access point network extender 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.internet.wireless/2lVd_lNhNi0/zjk8PhsCATgJ>

I do this because I _care_ to help people.
I add value.

As an adult who cares about his credibility, I showed you one of my added
value posts.

What's _your_ added value, "Danny DeVito"?
Name just one added value on Usenet (with cites, just like I gave you).

What's _your_ added value, "Danny DeVito"?
Name just one.

Just one.

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#50861

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 12:29:45 -0000 (UTC)
"Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> Cybe R. Wizard, with zero tutorials to his name, challenges
> me on mine.

It's interesting how I've never counted something as mundane and
non-consequential as writing a tutorial on some odd thing  to be of any
import in my life, but still have the vast knowledge to recognize that
you are very unlikely to have written 10 /THOUSAND/ tutorials of your
own.  

WOW, I can do math!

In fact, I think you to be a liar on that subject and, thus, to be
highly suspect on any other, no matter how much you rant on about it.  

You're pretty funny.  But pathetic.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
"Your argument is sound.  Nothing but sound."
	Ben (Jammin') Franklin

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#50864

On 09/22/2018 9:14 PM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 12:29:45 -0000 (UTC)
> "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> 
>> Cybe R. Wizard, with zero tutorials to his name, challenges
>> me on mine.
> 
> It's interesting how I've never counted something as mundane and
> non-consequential as writing a tutorial on some odd thing  to be of any
> import in my life, but still have the vast knowledge to recognize that
> you are very unlikely to have written 10 /THOUSAND/ tutorials of your
> own.
> 
> WOW, I can do math!
> 
> In fact, I think you to be a liar on that subject and, thus, to be
> highly suspect on any other, no matter how much you rant on about it.
> 
> You're pretty funny.  But pathetic.
> 
> Cybe R. Wizard


Mostly pathetic.

Rene

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#50866

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 21:14:04 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 12:29:45 -0000 (UTC)
> "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> 
>> Cybe R. Wizard, with zero tutorials to his name, challenges
>> me on mine.
> 
> It's interesting how I've never counted something as mundane and
> non-consequential as writing a tutorial on some odd thing  to be of any
> import in my life, but still have the vast knowledge to recognize that
> you are very unlikely to have written 10 /THOUSAND/ tutorials of your
> own.  
> 
> WOW, I can do math!
> 
> In fact, I think you to be a liar on that subject and, thus, to be
> highly suspect on any other, no matter how much you rant on about it.  
> 
> You're pretty funny.  But pathetic.
> 
> Cybe R. Wizard

I think he should produce one more tutorial.  How to pat
yourself on the back with both hands without breaking
your arms.  That would be an interesting read.

-- 
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
The cow died so I don't need your bull!

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#50848

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 01:31:51 -0000 (UTC)
"Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> I have likely written over ten thousand tutorials

One a day including weekends for over 27 years!  Now, THAT'S impressive!

> where at my last
> company, I wrote over five thousand alone.

One a day, /EVERY/ for almost 14 years!  How long were you on that job?
How old did you say you are?

I call BS.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
My other computer is a HOLMES IV ("High-Optional, Logical,
Multi-Evaluating Supervisor, Mark IV")

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#50849

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 03:22:42 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

> I call BS.
> 
> Cybe R. Wizard

Who do you think worked with Marek in the first place, to test all the VPN
connection tutorials? (Marek wrote all the scripts, which I tested for him,
and used for years and then wrote up the tutorials for others to benefit,
mostly on Windows where the users aren't as technical as on Linux).
  Please improve this setup which will get you torrenting on free public VPN in minutes 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/56KgMK6n090/HKhGegCAAQAJ>

We went through this very same accusation by Wolf K on the Windows
newsgoups (which Paul can concur).

I dug up *plenty* of tutorals for Wolf - which - again, Paul knows to be
factual.

Here's *just one* tutorial I wrote for linux (and Windows) users (because
I'm all about cross platform compatibility).
 This is intended to be a vim turd file reference (please improve!) 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/OoRWRJHWsUI/Hclp1L0YAwAJ>

Here's another on alt.os.linux:
  What free tools, on Windows & Linux, georeference PDF maps? 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/cF_KHuysCfA/6jBbaeXPBAAJ>

And another for the a.o.l tribal archives:
  Best way to put Linux on 2GB flash drive from WinXP? 
  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/Pjl29q_O-Dw/8H7W6jMKBQAJ>

And another value added to the a.o.l tribal archives:
 How to back up Gmail using Linux getmail (20180306) 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/6YHdHFcpGxs/sGgeAUDRBAAJ>

I do this in all the groups I post, and in the web sites I frequent, e.g.,
here's one containing *every single step* (yes, every single bolt) on how
to replace clutch for heaven's sake.
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.home.repair/qEhph1MmSKs/S_R2Y4gRBwAJ>

And here's one for setting up brilliantly fantastic consistent menus:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/1PzeGP4KMTU/3tbj_mdSAwAJ>
And here's another for menuing batch commands (which isn't intuitive):
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/1PzeGP4KMTU/tTbcd9zxAAAJ>

Now, for you Cybe R. Wizard, show me one of your tutorials?
Just one please.

What's that?
You have none?

Really?
You have absolutely zero added value for the tribal archives?

You're _that_ shallow, Cybe R. Wizard?
That worthless?

You haven't written a _single_ tutorial in your entire life?
What good are you?

It's only fair, unless you're a feckless coward, Cybe R. Wizard, for me to
ask you the same question you asked me.

What value have you _added_ to the overall tribal knowledge of this group?
Name just one (with cites, like I provided you).

Just one.

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#50860

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 12:08:41 -0000 (UTC)
"Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> I dug up *plenty* of tutorals for Wolf - which - again, Paul knows to
> be factual.

Cool!  So show 10,000, as you said you have written.
  
Go ahead, just do it,  

Otherwise, BS. 

Easy-peasy.  

You said it; produce it.  Own it as if it were really yours.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
Those who can make you believe absurdities
can make you commit atrocities.
	Voltaire (1694 - 1778)

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#50844

On Friday 21 September 2018 21:14, Arlen H. Holder conveyed the 
following to alt.os.linux...

> Quick question about Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics.
> I ask here and leave off the Apple folks since they just play silly
> games.
> 
> In your experience...
> Q: Can the Mac dual boot to Ubuntu or at least boot off a bootable
> DVD? A: ?

That should be possible, yes.  For dual-boot installations, you should 
look into something called Boot Camp, which ─ as I understand it ─ was 
designed to allow Windows users to install Microsoft Windows on a Mac 
alongside the native macOS.  And if you can use it to install Microsoft 
Windows on a Mac, then you most certainly can install GNU/Linux on it.

In fact, Linus Torvalds himself has or used to have a Mac that runs (or 
ran) GNU/Linux, although that may still have been one of the PPC Macs, 
from before Apple switched to Intel processors.  

The PPC processor is (or was) either way supported by the upstream Linux 
kernel.  Of course, in that case you also needed a distro that was 
compiled for PPC, and not all distros support an equally wide variety of 
processor architectures.

> Q: If yes, does Ubuntu recognize the native Mac file system?
> A: ?

In read-only fashion, most certainly, yes, but I don't know whether 
GNU/Linux can _write_ to HFS+.  I seem to recall that it cannot, but 
you'll have to put in the necessary legwork to discover that for 
yourself as I don't personally own a Mac.

But even if it's writable, then I would still not advise using HFS+ as 
the main filesystem for your Ubuntu system, because HFS+ is case-
retentive but not case-sensitive.  You could however use a small HFS+ 
partition for sharing data with macOS ─ again, if it's writable to the 
Linux kernel, which I don't know.

-- 
With respect,
= Aragorn =

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#50845

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 04:10:01 +0200, Aragorn wrote:

> That should be possible, yes.  For dual-boot installations, you should 
> look into something called Boot Camp, which € as I understand it € was 
> designed to allow Windows users to install Microsoft Windows on a Mac 
> alongside the native macOS.  And if you can use it to install Microsoft 
> Windows on a Mac, then you most certainly can install GNU/Linux on it.

Thanks Aragorn for your helpful advice. 

I don't have a Mac anymore, so I was asking for the Mac user "Ant", and for
the Mac user "joe", who ran into some difficulty working with iOS, but who
has successfully booted to Ubuntu on the Mac.

Here is the post from "joe" showing that it worked, but then he ran into
the type of minor issues connecting to iOS that we linux users overcame
years ago, working together.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.mac.system/zbrDzJbiBXQ/34fZ2Oc4CQAJ>

Here are the minor issues of the type we, together, solved long ago:
  From: "joe"
  "Your previous post indicated journaling needs to be turned off. 
   Without doing that you can't write to the Mac disk. 
   Do you expect Ant to reconfigure the other person's Mac?
   For grins, I booted Ubuntu on a Mac, only the DCIM folder on the iPhone
   was accessible, nothing else. Additionally, the Mac system disk was NOT
   seen. So much for 'simple' and 'unrestricted'."

If we ignore the defeatism of this poster, "joe", we can see that he's
running into the same type of minor issues that I always run into every
time I break new ground getting cross-platform connectivity to work.

For example, who knew that Ubuntu wouldn't read Windows' filesystems if
Windows was set to hibernate. Not me. Until you guys told me so, and then I
was past that hurdle in a split second. 

Likewise *nobody* knew that you had to remove the ":3" in order to make the
entire visible file system on iOS writeable! Who knew? Not me. But once I
figured that trick out, it was *trivial* to write to the entire file system
of iOS from Ubuntu.

All this, and more, is documented in my tutorial long ago written:
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IFC52JXBQ1c>

If I had a Mac, I'm pretty sure I'd resolve those issues, with expert help,
as I (almost) always do, so all I can do in this case is encourage that Mac
user "joe" to not give up (I never do).

Just as I got Ubuntu to read and write to the entire visible file system of
iOS and Windows (with your help), I'm sure this method you and Mike Easter
fleshed out will work, if the Mac users don't just give up.

Think about the brilliance of that new tribal knowledge though.
It would mean that anyone on Mac, Linux, or Windows, could plug in any iOS
or Android device on the planet, and then read and write to the entire file
system of all _five_ file systems simultaneously!
1. Windows
2. Ubuntu
3. Mac
4. Android
5. iOS <=== this is _always_ the hardest one!

The brilliance of this method is that the trick is mainly to boot to
Ubuntu, and then, there are a few minor tweaks (e.g., Windows hibernation,
Mac journaling, :3, etc.).
 
>> Q: If yes, does Ubuntu recognize the native Mac file system?
>> A: ?
> 
> In read-only fashion, most certainly, yes, but I don't know whether 
> GNU/Linux can _write_ to HFS+.  I seem to recall that it cannot, but 
> you'll have to put in the necessary legwork to discover that for 
> yourself as I don't personally own a Mac.

The user "joe" ran into this exact problem.
If it was me, I'm confident I'd overcome that hurdle, if it's possible.
Almost always, it's possible.

But I don't have a Mac either.
But I _love_ the brilliance of the idea, if that hurdle can be overcome, of
booting to Ubuntu to enable true cross-platform file-transfer inter
operability over USB.

> But even if it's writable, then I would still not advise using HFS+ as 
> the main filesystem for your Ubuntu system, because HFS+ is case-
> retentive but not case-sensitive.  You could however use a small HFS+ 
> partition for sharing data with macOS € again, if it's writable to the 
> Linux kernel, which I don't know.

This is potentially useful workaround information for the user "joe" who is
running into these minor hurdles as we type.

I'm confident they can be overcome simply because I can't remember the last
time I failed on such a quest, as I almost always find the solution, with
your help.

Thanks.

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#50846

Aragorn wrote:
> On Friday 21 September 2018 21:14, Arlen H. Holder conveyed the 
> following to alt.os.linux...
> 
>> Quick question about Ubuntu/MacOS dual boot basics.
>> I ask here and leave off the Apple folks since they just play silly
>> games.
>>
>> In your experience...
>> Q: Can the Mac dual boot to Ubuntu or at least boot off a bootable
>> DVD? A: ?
> 
> That should be possible, yes.  For dual-boot installations, you should 
> look into something called Boot Camp, which ─ as I understand it ─ was 
> designed to allow Windows users to install Microsoft Windows on a Mac 
> alongside the native macOS.  And if you can use it to install Microsoft 
> Windows on a Mac, then you most certainly can install GNU/Linux on it.
> 
> In fact, Linus Torvalds himself has or used to have a Mac that runs (or 
> ran) GNU/Linux, although that may still have been one of the PPC Macs, 
> from before Apple switched to Intel processors.  
> 
> The PPC processor is (or was) either way supported by the upstream Linux 
> kernel.  Of course, in that case you also needed a distro that was 
> compiled for PPC, and not all distros support an equally wide variety of 
> processor architectures.
> 
>> Q: If yes, does Ubuntu recognize the native Mac file system?
>> A: ?
> 
> In read-only fashion, most certainly, yes, but I don't know whether 
> GNU/Linux can _write_ to HFS+.  I seem to recall that it cannot, but 
> you'll have to put in the necessary legwork to discover that for 
> yourself as I don't personally own a Mac.
> 
> But even if it's writable, then I would still not advise using HFS+ as 
> the main filesystem for your Ubuntu system, because HFS+ is case-
> retentive but not case-sensitive.  You could however use a small HFS+ 
> partition for sharing data with macOS ─ again, if it's writable to the 
> Linux kernel, which I don't know.
> 

It's a Mac, so it's bound to have challenges.

http://refit.sourceforge.net/info/boot_process.html

Apple has at least three of their own file systems now.
They have HFS, and HFS+, but they've also added AFS
more recently. While GParted has support for HFS+
(from my Mac G4 box), when I attempted to change
a partition, the partition table got trashed. Rather
than being worried about merely writing to a partition,
I'd be more concerned about getting too adventurous with
GParted. I prepared in advance, and had a backup, so
"nobody got hurt".

    Paul

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