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  Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 14:41 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 14:47 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2018-09-14 16:33 +0100
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 16:14 +0000
          Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-16 22:41 +0000
            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-18 03:12 +0000
              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-19 20:29 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 01:34 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2018-09-20 08:54 -0400
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-20 14:17 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-20 19:30 +0000
            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-18 09:42 -0400
              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-18 16:11 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-18 12:31 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-19 04:22 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-18 19:35 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-19 05:15 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-19 07:52 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-19 15:32 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-22 20:55 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-09-22 19:26 -0700
    [OT] Malware alert? (was: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed)) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-14 15:28 +0000
      Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 16:30 +0000
        Re: [OT] Malware alert? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:47 -0400
          Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 00:23 +0000
            Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:14 +0000
              Re: [OT] Malware alert? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 21:24 -0400
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:42 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Malware alert? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 22:07 -0400
                    Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 03:01 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Malware alert? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 23:55 -0400
                        Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 04:31 +0000
            Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-15 12:44 +0000
              Re: [OT] Malware alert? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-15 09:12 -0400
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 04:09 +0000
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 04:09 +0000
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 21:45 +0000
              Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 14:05 +0000
                Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-15 15:25 +0000
                  Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 04:51 +0000
                    Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-17 11:35 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-17 11:55 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-18 14:00 +0000
                        Re: [OT] Malware alert? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-09-18 23:31 +0000
          Re: [OT] Malware alert? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 02:43 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 16:31 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2018-09-14 14:06 -0400
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 21:01 +0000
          Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 21:17 +0000
            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 17:31 -0400
              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 21:43 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 17:51 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2018-09-14 18:02 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Big Al <Big_Al@invalid.com> - 2018-09-14 18:01 -0400
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:20 -0400
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 22:26 +0000
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:32 -0400
                        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 22:42 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 22:07 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:20 -0400
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-14 22:38 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-14 18:51 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 00:28 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-09-22 20:46 -0400
            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-09-15 00:12 +0000
              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 00:54 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:13 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 21:23 -0400
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:56 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 21:23 -0400
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 01:59 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-14 22:07 -0400
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-15 02:35 +0000
                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-09-16 01:28 +0000
                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 03:13 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-15 23:21 -0400
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 04:15 +0000
                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-09-17 06:47 +0000
                      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-17 14:15 +0000
                        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-21 07:48 +0000
                          Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2018-09-21 08:34 -0500
                            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-27 07:46 +0000
                              Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 12:53 +0000
                                Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-27 20:05 +0000
                                  Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-09-28 08:50 +1200
                                    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-13 13:05 +0000
                          Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 12:48 +0000
                            Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-27 20:05 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-16 14:20 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2018-09-16 22:37 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-17 13:28 +0000
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-17 13:38 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-19 04:27 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 01:53 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-09-19 22:02 -0400
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 02:10 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 19:57 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-20 20:10 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-09-21 08:15 +0000
        Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 13:11 +0000
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 13:30 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "Arlen H. Holder" <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-09-27 13:59 +0000
      Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed) "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2018-09-27 17:32 +0200
    Re: Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices (no proprietary software needed)  Arlen    Holder <a%rlenh.older@no.spam.net> - 2018-10-21 19:03 +0000

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#50658

On 14 Sep 2018 15:20:52 GMT, nospam wrote:

> never mind 20 years. finding 'incorrect facts' from you takes less than
> 20 seconds.

Your posts are unhelpful.
*Let's see, nospam, whether you show a *better* USB method than proposed.*

While everyone knows you, nospam, to be the canonically classic Apple
Apologist, what is interesting is that every fifth grader thinks your
completely unsubstantiated childish retort is hilariously clever. 

Such baseless and childish retorts are common with you Apple Apologists:

For example:
  What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the 
  Apple Apologists on this newsgroup? 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ>

Such childish retorts, along with the one Big Al just made, simply prove
that you are not like normal adults.

For example:
  The Apple Apologist is distinctly different from normal adult 
  <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/6EKp2RpX_-U/fl5I1utGAwAJ>

Keeping on topic, all the adults here just want to learn.

Hence, keeping on topic, if you, or anyone else, has a *better* method to
*simultaneously* transfer large sets of disparate files over USB between
all four platforms (read and write), then now is the time to state your
proven facts.

*Let's see, nospam, whether you show a *better* USB method than proposed.*

-- 
We'd all benefit if nospam actually knew something we don't alrady know.

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#50661

On 14/09/2018 17.43, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2018 14:31:56 GMT, nospam wrote:
> 
> 
>> nope.
>>
> 
>> that doesn't matter and there is no complexity, other than what you're
>> creating for yourself.
> 
>> there's no need to do that.
> 
>> you didn't, but others certainly have, and not just ios either.
> 
>> that's not specific to android, and also not needed.
> 
>> absolutely false.
> 
> As always, the Apple Apologist nospam proves in every post that all he
> _can_ do, is play his fifth-grade silly semantic games. 

Actually, he is mostly right this time :-P


-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#50663

On 14 Sep 2018 15:51:40 GMT, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> Actually, he is mostly right this time :-P

Hi Carlos,

I need you to answer an adult question, from one adult to another.

The beauty of this method is the realization that the fastest way to copy
huge numbers of files of huge sizes between mobile devices and Windows, is
to use Linux.

Since you are an adult, and since you seem to have comprehended what nospam
said that is "right" about that statement, I need you to clarify for me
what you think nospam is right about, with respect to that topic.

What is nospam right about with respect to my statement above which is that
the fastest way to copy files to and from any mobile device and Windows, is
to use USB on Linux?

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#50858

On 14/09/2018 20.28, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2018 15:51:40 GMT, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> 
>> Actually, he is mostly right this time :-P
> 
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> I need you to answer an adult question, from one adult to another.
> 
> The beauty of this method is the realization that the fastest way to copy
> huge numbers of files of huge sizes between mobile devices and Windows, is
> to use Linux.
> 
> Since you are an adult, and since you seem to have comprehended what nospam
> said that is "right" about that statement, I need you to clarify for me
> what you think nospam is right about, with respect to that topic.
> 
> What is nospam right about with respect to my statement above which is that
> the fastest way to copy files to and from any mobile device and Windows, is
> to use USB on Linux?

Everything that is on what I quoted.
And no, I'm not going to go into all that detail.

-- 
Cheers,
       Carlos E.R.

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#50664

On 2018-09-14, Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 14 Sep 2018 21:01:58 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:
>
>> In fact, we've tested for years _all_ the known free FTP solutions and
>> written them up many times, on these same newsgroups, where, *all* the
>> desktop operating systems will handle the FTP addressing scheme.
>>    ftp://machine-name-or-ip-address/sharename
>> 
>> That means Ubuntu's Nautilus & Dolphin respect that addressing scheme
>> That means Windows' File Explorer networking respects that scheme
>
> In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP server
> runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to most desktops), in
> general, you want the server to be on the more powerful less io-limited
> desktops, if you can work that out. 

why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently. 

> Also, since technical details matter when performing cross platform
> connections, for the FTP-server method, the mobile device machine name
> generally needs to be in the HOSTS file.
>
> The IP address always works, but that brings up the complexities inherent
> in the mobile devices constantly coming on and going off your local
> network, where their IP address "can" change.
>
> We studied these changes in detail a few years ago, where they're
> remarkably consistent in most situations, but the fact is that the IP
> address "can" change unless you fix it permanently on your local LAN.

the router here puts up a DNS alias for each machine that gets a DHCP
address, so you can use names if you have a capable DHCP server.
(actually it also found the name for my linux PC which has a static IP address... -
I'm not sure how it did that Bonjour perhaps. )


-- 
     ت

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#50665

On 15 Sep 2018 00:12:20 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

> why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
> access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently. 

Hi Jasen Betts,

You bring up an adult question, but I can tell from your question that
you're naive, particularly when it comes to iOS and FTP results.

But you know more about networking than I do, which I openly admit.
You just don't appear to understand how FTP is different with iOS.

But before I educate you on what you appear to be clueless about (based on
what you wrote anyway), first let me summarize the actual intended topic of
this thread, which was to edify people who don't already now about the fact
that the fastest way to copy huge numbers of files of huge sizes between
any iOS/Android mobile device and Windows, is to use Linux.

*That is _clearly_ the topic of this thread.*

If you have a *better* method which is both faster & easier than this
method, please do share your expert knowledge with the rest of us, since I
posit that *nobody* knows of a faster method than this method. 

In fact, I would *love* to hear you give us a *better* method.
HINT: It has to work for iOS as well as it does for Android! <-- think!

> why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
> access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently. 

First off, I need to ask you if you've ever used the FTP-server method on
iOS? Have you?

Hint: *It's completely different than the FTP-server method on Android!*

Hence, if you're proposing the FTP-server method as a *better* method than
the USB method, then we're going to have to look at this problem set like
adults do.
* The FTP method has to be faster than the USB method
* The FTP method has to handle larger files better than the USB method
* The FTP method has to handle dispersed files better than the USB method
and ... 
* The FTP method has to work with iOS as well as it works with Android!

Bear in mind this isn't my first rodeo with people who *think* they have
all the answers, but who don't realize that iOS is *different* than all the
other common consumer operating systems.

HINT: FTP is unrelated to the topic of this thread *unless* you're actually
suggesting that FTP is either more universal or faster method than is USB
for copying from and to both iOS and Android file systems to and from
Windows using Linux.

> the router here puts up a DNS alias for each machine that gets a DHCP
> address, so you can use names if you have a capable DHCP server.
> (actually it also found the name for my linux PC which has a static IP address... -
> I'm not sure how it did that Bonjour perhaps. )

Hi Jason Betts,

Bearing in mind the topic of this thread is USB file transfer, the
off-topic FTP method has advantages (e.g., no wires) and disadvantages
(e.g., slower). 

Since you seem to want to change the topic to FTP file transfer, I have to
then ask if you've ever done that FTP file transfer using iOS devices
(bearing in mind that it's fundamentally different than with Android)?

Have you?

In addition... 

I readily admit you know more about networking that I know, so I
respectfully ask you to answer the same adult question I asked of Carlos:

What are reasonably attainable speeds on:
1. USB on a more modern desktop to/from an iOS/Android mobile device.
...versus...
2. FTP/SMB/HTTP on those same (cpu/i/o limited?) mobile devices

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#50666

On 15 Sep 2018 00:54:36 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> Since you seem to want to change the topic to FTP file transfer, I have to
> then ask if you've ever done that FTP file transfer using iOS devices
> (bearing in mind that it's fundamentally different than with Android)?
> 
> Have you?
> 
> In addition... 
> 
> I readily admit you know more about networking that I know, so I
> respectfully ask you to answer the same adult question I asked of Carlos:
> 
> What are reasonably attainable speeds on:
> 1. USB on a more modern desktop to/from an iOS/Android mobile device.
> ...versus...
> 2. FTP/SMB/HTTP on those same (cpu/i/o limited?) mobile devices

I should be clear that it was nospam who wanted to change the topic from
USB file transfer between mobile devices & Windows via Linux ... to FTP
file transfer between those same file systems ... perhaps because nospam
knows full well how dismal iOS is with USB file transfer to and from native
Windows.

HINT: It can't be done with iOS because iOS is brain dead for USB.
  Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WjeGznahZwc%5B101-125%5D>

I wish to be clear that it wasn't Carlos or Jason who desperately wants the
subject to NOT be about what iOS clearly can't do, to something that iOS
potentially can do.

But if we switch the topic to FTP, which is the only thing iOS can do with
native Windows, then you have to understand how fundamentally different the
results are from USB when you try to do the same things with iOS on FTP.

*Are you aware of these iOS-based limitations when you speak about FTP?*

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#50669

In article <pnhmca$h1a$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> I readily admit you know more about networking that I know, so I
...

> I should be clear that it was nospam who wanted to change the topic from
> USB file transfer between mobile devices & Windows via Linux ... to FTP
> file transfer between those same file systems ... perhaps because nospam
> knows full well how dismal iOS is with USB file transfer to and from native
> Windows.

more of your lies. i didn't change anything and *you* mentioned ftp.

i was only correcting your numerous false statements about networking,
a topic about which you admit you know nothing.

> HINT: It can't be done with iOS because iOS is brain dead for USB.

it can, and the only brain dead entity is you.

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#50672

On 14 Sep 2018 18:23:59 GMT, nospam wrote:

> it can, and the only brain dead entity is you.

All you _can_ do, nospam, is play your silly childish games.

*For a moment, I'll assume you can act like an adult, nospam.*

Hence I will ask this simple on-topic question, bearing in mind that the
Linux users aren't aware (apparently) of the astoundingly huge limitations
of networking with iOS (as compared to Android) ... I simply ask:

Q: What free software do you propose I install on iOS that will result in a
*better* (faster, easier, more powerful, etc.) file-transfer than the
method I proposed in the original post.

The limiting factor, unfortunately, for all cross-platform file transfers
is always going to be the astoundingly huge limitations of iOS.

That's a fact you hate. But it's still a fact nonetheless.
Hence, *any* system you propose, has to work for iOS as well as for
Android, on native Windows, which is the topic.

The topic is clearly to propose the *best* cross platform completely
unrestricted read/write file system transfer between native iOS, Android,
Windows, and Ubuntu common consumer devices.

Just because you don't like facts doesn't make facts not facts.

*It's a fact iOS is brain dead on native Windows USB r/w file transfer.*
You can dance silly games all you want around that fact. 
But the fact you don't like facts doesn't make facts not facts.

*It's a fact iOS is nearly brain dead on FTP file transfer.*
Again, you can dance silly games around this fact, but you will be asked
the adult question of which free FTP server for iOS will access read/write
the same files that the USB method accesses.

*For a moment, I'll assume you can act like an adult, nospam.*

Hence I will ask this simple on-topic question, bearing in mind that the
Linux users aren't aware (apparently) of the astoundingly huge limitations
of networking with iOS (as compared to Android) ... I simply ask:

Q: What free software do you propose I install on iOS that will result in a
*better* (faster, easier, more powerful, etc.) file-transfer than the
method I proposed in the original post.

HINT: I posit that nobody on the planet has a better system than the one
originally proposed - but if you, nospam, are such a genius, then please
propose your "better" system.
-- 
HINT: You just make everything up ... hence ... you have no better system!

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#50668

In article <pnhl8c$esj$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> 
> But you know more about networking than I do, which I openly admit.

dandelions know more about networking than you do.

> You just don't appear to understand how FTP is different with iOS.

it isn't.

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#50673

On 14 Sep 2018 18:23:58 GMT, nospam wrote:

> dandelions know more about networking than you do.

All you _can_ do, nospam, is play your childish silly games.
HINT: Only a fifth grader would think your retort hilariously clever.

Yet ... I'm all for learning from your innate wisdom, nospam:
Hence...
*For a moment, I'll assume you _can_ act like an adult, nospam.*

Hence I will ask this simple on-topic question, bearing in mind that the
Linux users aren't aware (apparently) of the astoundingly huge limitations
of networking with iOS (as compared to Android) ... I simply ask:

Q: What free software do you propose I install on iOS that will result in a
*better* (faster, easier, more powerful, etc.) file-transfer than the
method I proposed in the original post.

HINT: The same question is asked of everyone, not just the child above.
If you can name a *better* system - name it now. If feasible, I'll try it.

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#50675

In article <pnhp18$l93$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> > dandelions know more about networking than you do.
> 
> All you _can_ do, nospam, is play your childish silly games.
> HINT: Only a fifth grader would think your retort hilariously clever.

actually, fifth graders would laugh at your ignorance, and probably
have some choice words to throw in too. 

> Yet ... I'm all for learning from your innate wisdom, nospam:

nothing you've said or done has indicated you're interested in learning
anything from *anyone*.

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#50676

On 14 Sep 2018 19:07:41 GMT, nospam wrote:

> nothing you've said or done has indicated you're interested in learning
> anything from *anyone*.

Notice everyone, that nospam can't possibly answer the on-topic question.

*All nospam _can_ do, is play his silly fifth-grade childish games.*

He knows iOS is brain dead on rw USB file transfer with native Windows.
And he knows iOS is nearly brain dead on FTP file transfer with Windows.

So all nospam _can_ do, is play his silly fifth-grade childish games.

Meanwhile, for the *adults* on this newsgroup, given that iOS is always the
limiting factor in cross-platform functionality, the on-topic question is

Q: What free software do you propose we install (particularly on iOS) that
will result in *better* (faster, easier, more powerful, etc.) read/write
file-transfer to/from native Windows to/from any iOS/Android device, than
the USB-to-Windows-via-Linux method I outlined in the original post.

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#50685

On 2018-09-15, Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 15 Sep 2018 00:12:20 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:
>
>> why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
>> access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently. 
>
> Hi Jasen Betts,
>
> You bring up an adult question, but I can tell from your question that
> you're naive, particularly when it comes to iOS and FTP results.

You may have read how to win freinds and influence people, but the
tactics therein just make you come across at invasive and pushy.

> But you know more about networking than I do, which I openly admit.
> You just don't appear to understand how FTP is different with iOS.

So are you going to explain that?

> But before I educate you on what you appear to be clueless about (based on
> what you wrote anyway), first let me summarize the actual intended topic of
> this thread, which was to edify people who don't already now about the fact
> that the fastest way to copy huge numbers of files of huge sizes between
> any iOS/Android mobile device and Windows, is to use Linux.

That's not acually a subject that interest me much. ftp doesn't seem
to have s size limit.

> *That is _clearly_ the topic of this thread.*

yeah... but I'm asking about one of the claims you made, you should
have stayed on topic!

> If you have a *better* method

I'm not really interested.

>> why? all an FTP server does is convert network traffic into file
>> access you don't need a 20W cpu to do that efficiently. 

> First off, I need to ask you if you've ever used the FTP-server method on
> iOS? Have you?

Changing the subject again. are you going to answer why running an FTP
server is a bad thing?  While wifi is usually slower than USB, 
if you count the time  taken to phyiscally connect the devices together 
WIFI could easily be faster for small files after the one-time setup.

> Hint: *It's completely different than the FTP-server method on Android!*

hints at an answer.... I'm beginning to think that maybe you will
actually answer.

> Hence, if you're proposing the FTP-server method as a *better* method than
> the USB method, then we're going to have to look at this problem set like
> adults do.

No, I'm just questioning your claim, which you seem to have deleted.
Why did you do that?  here it is again.

>>> In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP
>>> server runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to
>>> most desktops), in general, you want the server to be on the more
>>> powerful less io-limited desktops, if you can work that out.

Why are you making that claim?

> HINT: FTP is unrelated to the topic of this thread *unless* you're actually
> suggesting that FTP is either more universal or faster method than is USB
> for copying from and to both iOS and Android file systems to and from
> Windows using Linux.

Indeed, but that doesn't do anything to answer my question about what
you wrote, and if it's off tpoic why did you write about it?

>> the router here puts up a DNS alias for each machine that gets a DHCP
>> address, so you can use names if you have a capable DHCP server.
>> (actually it also found the name for my linux PC which has a static IP address... -
>> I'm not sure how it did that Bonjour perhaps. )
>
> Hi Jason Betts,
>
> Bearing in mind the topic of this thread is USB file transfer, the
> off-topic FTP method has advantages (e.g., no wires) and disadvantages
> (e.g., slower). 

I'm replyinmg to claims you made. you seem to be suggesting that
it's ok to lie if it supports your claim.  I'd ask if that is your
position, but if I did you'd obvioisly answer "no".

> Since you seem to want to change the topic to FTP file transfer,  I have to

Not what I'm trying to do. 

> then ask if you've ever done that FTP file transfer using iOS devices
> (bearing in mind that it's fundamentally different than with Android)?
>
> Have you?

No. Ae you going to offer any details on how it's different?

> In addition... 
>
> I readily admit you know more about networking that I know, so I
> respectfully ask you to answer the same adult question I asked of Carlos:
>
> What are reasonably attainable speeds on:
> 1. USB on a more modern desktop to/from an iOS/Android mobile device.
> ...versus...
> 2. FTP/SMB/HTTP on those same (cpu/i/o limited?) mobile devices

I don't know, and am not particularly interested.

-- 
     ت

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#50686

On 16 Sep 2018 01:28:51 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

> You may have read how to win freinds and influence people, but the
> tactics therein just make you come across at invasive and pushy.

*All I ask of you, Jasen, is that you try to act like an adult.*
I only speak facts. 
That puts people off.

But I also *add value*.
And I speak with facts so everyone can actually *do* what I propose!

You'll notice nospam just makes everything up.
He's wrong more than is the monkey.

In twenty years (many thousands of posts)...
I've *never* been wrong yet, simply because I speak facts.
Facts are funny that way.

I'm sure I've had typos, but nobody has ever been able to show a single
time that I have not spoken facts - simply becuase I don't say things that
aren't facts. 

Adults are funny that way.
We speak facts. 

I realize that puts a lot of people off since I'm very factual.
I'm not going to baby someone who doesn't speak facts.

If you want to dispute the facts, you need to dispute with facts. 
I'm perfectly happy to learn facts from others.

>> You just don't appear to understand how FTP is different with iOS.
> 
> So are you going to explain that?

It's obvious since that's a fact. 
You never once mentioend anything about how FTP on iOS is different.
And the fact is, that it's extremely different (in what it does).

So, since you didn't mention it, then my statement is clear.
You haven't shown that you understand how vastly different iOS is when it
comes to FTP - so - since your premise is all about FTP - and yet - you
don't appear to acknowledge that FTP basically doesn't work on iOS
(effectively, to see the entire visible file system), then it's not clear
to me that you know what you're talking about.

Remember, a cross platform solution has to work.

You can't just have it work for Android (which works great) but not for iOS
(which sucks when it comes to what FTP can do).

Does that make sense?
It's a fact - so if you don't understand the fact - it's easily proven.
Facts are funny that way.

> That's not acually a subject that interest me much. ftp doesn't seem
> to have s size limit.

We could wax philosophically on how FTP differs from USB.
But the major issue isn't that.
The major issue is that FTP sucks (IMHO) on iOS compared to USB.

FTP is fine, in contrast, with Android.
SO it's a cross platform problem - not an FTP specific problem.

Most people forget (IMHO), that cross platform problems have to take a
solution that works for all the platforms discussed, which, in this case,
is
1. The user is mainly on Windows
2. The user has both iOS and Android
3. The user is smart enough to dual boot to Linux when needed

That's the problem set I'm covering.
If you want to define a different problem set, then the solution may very
well be different.

As a trivially simple example, if you omit iOS, everything gets easier.
FTP works OK if you eliminate iOS as part of the problem set (IMHO).

Hence, it's critical that you show me that you understand that, if you're
going to try to dispute my facts about FTP on iOS.

> 
>> *That is _clearly_ the topic of this thread.*
> 
> yeah... but I'm asking about one of the claims you made, you should
> have stayed on topic!

If you want to play games, then I won't play. 
You can see that nospam, for an example, is an expert at game playing.

He always flatly refutes anything he wants to.
And yet, he can't come up with a single solution to help people.

Never forget my purpose is to HELP people.
Just like Marek used to constantly help people.

It's the right thing to do to help people.

If all you want to do is gripe that I've helped people by giving them a
solution that actually works while your proposed solution doesn't work (for
iOS, for example), then I'll call you out on it.

Just be an adult with me ... and I'll be an adult back.
It's really a very simple equation.

>> If you have a *better* method
> 
> I'm not really interested.

Whenever I see that childish retort, then I know facts aren't your forte.
I've seen that fifth-grade retort for decades from Usenet children.

When I confront you with actual facts - you retort you're not interested.

Just because you aren't interested in facts, doesn't make facts not facts. 

On Usenet, there are many people like you, who can't handle facts. 

> Changing the subject again. are you going to answer why running an FTP
> server is a bad thing? 

I said it many times.
I have *plenty* of threads on FTP servers on mobile devices. 
I gave *plenty* of URLs on that. 
I explained *plenty* of reasons why it's substandard.

That you whooshed on the reasons, doesn't mean I didn't answer.

Let's summarize a few, off hand.
1. I already explained the IP address issues which don't exist with USB
2. I already explained the speed issues which don't exist with USB
3. I already explained the iOS issues which don't exist with Android
4. I even touched on the Windows inconsistency issues with FTP (personal
experience where I tested *every* FTP server available on Android and
concluded long ago it was Windows that was flaky, not Android).
etc.

While it's a fact I already answered your question, and while it's a fact
that I provided URLs to those answers, why do you not *comprehend* those
answers?

BTW, since you're a adult, you don't have to *believe* the answers. 
But you can't say I didn't already answer your question many times. 

Why do you make me *repeat* the answers?
You make a baseless claim that I didn't answer.

Adults don't act that way.


> While wifi is usually slower than USB, 
> if you count the time  taken to phyiscally connect the devices together 
> WIFI could easily be faster for small files after the one-time setup.

I have absolutely nothing against WiFi (other than it's slower but that's
OK as it's *different* than USB for the obvious reasons).

The problem always is not "WiFi" but how it works cross platform with all
four devices, where the one device you always have to keep in mind is iOS,
which is the weak link in the cross platform solution.

Let me ask you a patently simple question to see if you understand WiFI.
Q: How can all people access all visible files on all iOS devices on the
local network through WiFi in a way that also works with Windows, Linux,
and Android?

HINT: If you can't answer that question, then we have an issue with your
facts. 

> hints at an answer.... I'm beginning to think that maybe you will
> actually answer.

How many times can you *miss* the answer to your questions?

Adults don't normally act that way.
Children do.

> No, I'm just questioning your claim, which you seem to have deleted.
> Why did you do that?  

I've been on Usenet for decades where people who play silly games say what
you just say. 

Don't you know *anything* about quoting?
Is this your first week on Usenet? (hint: rhetorical question).

while styles vary, my style is the well accepted style which can be
summarized as you quote what you respond to. No more. No less.
 <http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?quoting?>

HINT: People who play silly games hate when you don't quote their entire
post (personal experience) because it prevents them from playing their
silly games. 

> here it is again.
> 
>>>> In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP
>>>> server runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to
>>>> most desktops), in general, you want the server to be on the more
>>>> powerful less io-limited desktops, if you can work that out.
> 
> Why are you making that claim?

Do you have any idea how vastly limited the iOS FTP server access is?
Do you?

If you don't, then you can't possibly ask me that question, since the
limitation, as I've said many times, is mostly on the iOS side when it
comes to read and write FTP access to the entire visible file system.

On most desktops, the FTP server is NOT limited in terms of what read/write
access it has to the entire visible file system.

On Android, as I said many times, it's better (far better) than it is on
iOS.

>> HINT: FTP is unrelated to the topic of this thread *unless* you're actually
>> suggesting that FTP is either more universal or faster method than is USB
>> for copying from and to both iOS and Android file systems to and from
>> Windows using Linux.
> 
> Indeed, but that doesn't do anything to answer my question about what
> you wrote, and if it's off tpoic why did you write about it?

The reason FTP matters is that anyone who suggests FTP as being better than
USB has to explain how, other than the obvious, which is that no cable is
needed - where everyone knows that.

What people don't seem to know, for example, is the hugely critical
limitation of FTP with respect to read/write access to teh entire visible
file system on iOS.

This thread is about cross platform solutions that work on all the stated
platforms, not just some of them.

FTP basically does not work on iOS (to access all the visible files).
USB does.

Why can't you seem to comprehend that simple fact?


> I'm replyinmg to claims you made. you seem to be suggesting that
> it's ok to lie if it supports your claim. 

I've never once made a false claim in my life unless it's something that
was my humble opinion which you can rightly disagree with. 

While I don't put IMHO at the end of every sentence, please point out a
single instance of a factual lie in my many thousands of posts in over two
decades of posting on Usenet.

Name just one - but back it up.
(And no, typos or obvious thinkos don't count as Usenet is ad hoc.)

> I'd ask if that is your
> position, but if I did you'd obvioisly answer "no".

I only speak facts. 
You'll *never* find me speak a wrong fact simply because I don't do it.
Caveat: I'm human ... so I might make inadvertent mistakes - but if you
call me out on that, I'll be an adult and confront it 

What you seem to mis understand is that I act like an adult.
You don't like that it seems.

But you (apparently) not liking me acting like an adult says more about you
than about me.

> No. Ae you going to offer any details on how it's different?

How many times can you mis-comprehend facts, Jasen Betts?
I said many times why.
That you keep missing the answer doesn't mean I didn't answer it.

INHO ... You're not acting like an adult should act, Jason.
Adults can comprehend simple facts. 

> I don't know, and am not particularly interested.

Do I need to point out again that your childish retorts are that of a fifth
grader?

*All I ask of you, Jasen Betts, is that you try to act like an adult.*

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#50687

In article <pnkho4$9e0$1@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> We could wax philosophically on how FTP differs from USB.

or we could laugh at how clueless you actually are.

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#50690

On 15 Sep 2018 20:21:58 GMT, nospam wrote:

>> We could wax philosophically on how FTP differs from USB.
> 
> or we could laugh at how clueless you actually are.

Notice everyone these two facts:

1. I proposed a simple, free, powerful mechanism that works for everyone.
2. The Apple Apologist nospam proposes exactly zero facts. Zero.

Those are facts.
It's why I can easily prove that the Apple Apologists are different.

*Apple Apologists, like nospam, have a belief system containing 0 facts.*

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#50706

On 2018-09-16, Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 16 Sep 2018 01:28:51 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:
>
>> You may have read how to win freinds and influence people, but the
>> tactics therein just make you come across at invasive and pushy.
>
> *All I ask of you, Jasen, is that you try to act like an adult.*
> I only speak facts. 

>>>>> In addition, with respect to the FTP-server method, where the FTP
>>>>> server runs on the rather io-limited mobile device (compared to
>>>>> most desktops), in general, you want the server to be on the more
>>>>> powerful less io-limited desktops, if you can work that out.
>> 
>> Why are you making that claim?
>
> Do you have any idea how vastly limited the iOS FTP server access is?
> Do you?

I'm guessing that I misunderstood what you meant with some of the terms 
you used there, like "powerful" and "io-limited".

> INHO ... You're not acting like an adult should act, Jason.
> Adults can comprehend simple facts. 

The english language has a suprising capability for ambiguity.

>> I don't know, and am not particularly interested.
>
> Do I need to point out again that your childish retorts are that of a fifth
> grader?

Dude, I asked you what I thought was a simple question with a 50 to
200 word answer and got a 2000 word essay that was only tangentially
related to what thought I was asking.

-- 
     ت

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#50715

On 17 Sep 2018 06:47:12 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

> Dude, I asked you what I thought was a simple question with a 50 to
> 200 word answer and got a 2000 word essay that was only tangentially
> related to what thought I was asking.

I'm sorry. I apologize. Let's drop FTP because it's entirely off topic.

*This thread is about USB. R/W to all four file systems. Simultaneously.*

I guess it irks me that people spent 9/10ths of this thread on the wholly 
unrelated FTP issue, and the other 1/10th they wasted because they *think* 
they understand this system, when I can easily tell that they don't - so 
it's bothersome to me that 100% of this thread didn't move the ball 
forward.

I would like to move our tribal knowledge forward - if we can.
*Can we possibly improve on this brilliant process - or not?*

I love the inherent brilliance of this system, which, by the way, I didn't 
come up with on my own - I asked on these very newsgroups - for years - and 
added a bit of secret sauce that I found by deep searching to solve the iOS 
problems (which are always the stumbling block).
a. Linux is almost never the impediment
b. Android is rarely, if ever, the impediment
c. Windows has impediments, but they can almost always be worked around
d. It's iOS that is almost always the problem to resolve

The brilliance of this system is that it works for all 4 filesystems!

The secret sauce is that this works equally well with iOS as it does with 
the better behaved file systems.

In fact, I had *forgotten* a component of that secret sauce, which I had to 
look up when I ran the six tests last night (which were different than the 
original single test in the OP).
 1. Windows filesystem to Android 18 minutes, 21 seconds
 6. Windows filesystem to iOS 1 minute, 42 seconds (this required a secret)
 2. Android to the Windows filesystem* 2 minutes, 20 seconds
 5. iOS to the Windows filesystem* 1 minute, 55 seconds
 4. iOS to Android 11 minutes, 49 seconds
 3. Android to iOS 3 minutes, 5 seconds (this required the secret)

While this system works brilliantly in that *nothing* needs to be added to 
the Windows, Linux, iOS, or Android file systems, I didn't run exhaustive 
tests on all Android devices.

Hence, Diesel brings up a "possibly" good point that this system "might 
not" work with all Android devices. 

But I don't understand yet any actual *facts* which justify that FUD.
Maybe you can help on those facts?

Why wouldn't Ubuntu 18.04 be able to access the visible file system of 
*all* Android devices? 
-- 
Note: I've only tested from Android 4.3 up to Android 7.0, but out of about 
a dozen devices, none failed (and all are USB configured to MTP mode).

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Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net>
news:pnocue$38e$1@news.mixmin.net Mon, 17 Sep 2018 14:15:45 GMT in
alt.comp.freeware, wrote: 

> *This thread is about USB. R/W to all four file systems.
> Simultaneously.* 

It's about a little more than that. You previously claimed, any 
version of windows, linux, android, ios, etc. That your method is 
universal. 

MID: <pnghb3$jc2$1@news.mixmin.net> 

I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to *simultaneously* 
slide huge files both ways over USB to *any* iOS, Android, Windows, & 
Linux device!

***end snippit

As I and others have already told you (Yes, I did check your other 
thread from July where you finally disclosed the third party packages 
present on your linux distro that provide limited AFC support) You've 
incorrectly assumed that all distros contain the 3rd party packages 
required to gain limited (not full, contrary to your previous claims) 
access to a supported iOS device.
 
> While this system works brilliantly in that *nothing* needs to be
> added to the Windows, Linux, iOS, or Android file systems, I
> didn't run exhaustive tests on all Android devices.

I know you didn't, because you've claimed it works with ANY Android 
device on any flavor of ios, linux, or, Windows. I know for a fact 
what you've written isn't true because i've dealt with THOUSANDS of 
these stupid Android powered devices (they aren't all phones you 
know) and encountered many! that are a righteous fucking bastard at 
times to access, because they aren't following the so called 
standards.
 
> Hence, Diesel brings up a "possibly" good point that this system
> "might not" work with all Android devices. 

It doesn't. See above.
 
> But I don't understand yet any actual *facts* which justify that
> FUD. Maybe you can help on those facts?

Let me give you a few more, facts, then. I've been a certified 
technician for over twenty years with two honorary masters in I.T. I 
have an established track record online as well as offline for my .. 
technical expertise and skillsets. There's absolutely no reason to 
take me for my word on those claims either, you can *easily* read 
about some of the things I'm responsible for via google or your 
favorite search engine of choice. Moron, idiot, etc, I'm not.
 
If you've been around this newsgroup (alt.comp.freeware) for decades 
like you've claimed, you'd already know me and wouldn't be calling me 
a moron, etc. So, I'm doubting that claim of yours, too.
 
> Why wouldn't Ubuntu 18.04 be able to access the visible file
> system of *all* Android devices? 

Again, I remind you of what you originally wrote:

Message-ID: <pnghb3$jc2$1@news.mixmin.net>
I post this FYI so others know how *easy* it is to *simultaneously* 
slide huge files both ways over USB to *any* iOS, Android, Windows, & 
Linux device!

***end snippit

Any particular reason you're getting specific with the Linux distro 
now?


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