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  Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2016-10-02 15:52 +0200
    Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2016-10-02 16:41 +0200
      Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 22:43 +0800
        Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2016-10-02 18:17 +0200
          Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 00:24 +0800
    Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2016-10-02 20:10 +0200
      Re: Systemd fun fun fun Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> - 2016-10-04 16:40 +0000
        Re: Systemd fun fun fun Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2016-10-04 19:06 +0200
          Re: Systemd fun fun fun Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> - 2016-10-04 17:20 +0000
            Re: Systemd fun fun fun Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> - 2016-10-18 11:45 +0000

#39376 — Re: [OT] Systemd fun fun fun

(x-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.os.linux.debian,alt.os.linux)

Shadow <Sh@dow.br> in alt.comp.freeware:

> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26
> 
> 	Anyone for a tweet ?

Follow up to: alt.os.linux.debian,alt.os.linux

Yrrah

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#39377

On 10/02/2016 03:52 PM, Yrrah wrote:

> Shadow <Sh@dow.br> in alt.comp.freeware:
> 
>> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26
>>
>> 	Anyone for a tweet ?

It's kind of expected when you have an application which assumes
everything went well when it failed to get a result.

At least I sleep better knowing my more important systems do not use
systemd.

-- 

 //Aho

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#39378

On 2/10/16 22:41, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
> At least I sleep better knowing my more important systems do not use
> systemd.

Well, a messy but compulsory systemd can create jobs. :)

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#39379

On 10/02/2016 04:43 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 2/10/16 22:41, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>
>> At least I sleep better knowing my more important systems do not use
>> systemd.
> 
> Well, a messy but compulsory systemd can create jobs. :)
> 

Sure it could, but that's like working for microsoft support :)

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#39380

On 3/10/16 00:17, J.O. Aho wrote:
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> Sure it could, but that's like working for microsoft support :)
>

Not limited to Micro$oft... it's called obfuscation! ;)

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#39382

(x-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.os.linux.debian,alt.os.linux)
> 
> Shadow <Sh@dow.br> in alt.comp.freeware:
> 
> > http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26
> > 
> > 	Anyone for a tweet ?
> 
> Follow up to: alt.os.linux.debian,alt.os.linux

"Most distributions running systemd have published patches and the
issue has been fixed in the upstream systemd code. While the bug was
quickly fixed, its existence fuelled the fires of the systemd
controversy on many message boards and raised concerns about systemd's
complexity."
https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161003#news

Yrrah

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#39390 — Re: Systemd fun fun fun

>>>>> Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> writes:
>>>>> Shadow <Sh@dow.br> in alt.comp.freeware:

 >> http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2016/09/29/26

 >> Anyone for a tweet ?

 > "Most distributions running systemd have published patches and the
 > issue has been fixed in the upstream systemd code. While the bug was
 > quickly fixed, its existence fuelled the fires of the systemd
 > controversy on many message boards and raised concerns about
 > systemd's complexity."

 > https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161003#news

	JFTR, the best reading material I've found so far on Systemd are
	these two blog posts dating back to 2014:

  Systemd has 6 service startup notification types, and they're all wrong
  http://ewontfix.com/15

  Broken by design: systemd
  http://ewontfix.com/14

	I think these provide nice summaries on what to expect of this
	specific part of the "modern" GNU/Linux system design.

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#39392 — Re: Systemd fun fun fun

Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net>:

> JFTR, the best reading material I've found so far on Systemd are
> 	these two blog posts dating back to 2014:
> 
>   Systemd has 6 service startup notification types, and they're all wrong

>   Broken by design: systemd

Let me rephrase: these two blogs confirm your thoughts on the subject.

Yrrah

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#39393 — Re: Systemd fun fun fun

>>>>> Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> writes:
>>>>> Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net>:

 >> JFTR, the best reading material I've found so far on Systemd are
 >> these two blog posts dating back to 2014:

 >> Systemd has 6 service startup notification types, and they're all
 >> wrong

 >> Broken by design: systemd

 > Let me rephrase: these two blogs confirm your thoughts on the
 > subject.

	I do not care much about Systemd, and as such, my thoughts on it
	are few and far apart.  The posts confirmed some of the things
	I've suspected back in the day, and otherwise appear to use
	argumentation I find believable.

	I'm not going to pretend I can read others' minds and say that
	these posts will make sense to anyone else.  But I find it a
	possibility still.

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#39505 — Re: Systemd fun fun fun

>>>>> Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> writes:

[...]

 > I'm not going to pretend I can read others' minds and say that these
 > posts will make sense to anyone else.  But I find it a possibility
 > still.

	With that disclaimer in mind, my list of favorites regarding
	Systemd just got another entry -- this time (a what I believe
	is) a nice summary of the reasons the "Init controversy" isn't
	going to go away anytime soon.

  "[Why] it's quite difficult to do a good job at supporting multiple
  init systems" [quote; no discernible title originally; --IS.]
  by Russ Allbery
  https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/87bn0aackz.fsf@hope.eyrie.org
  news:sbMAF-2mW-21@gated-at.bofh.it (Usenet)
  news:87bn0aackz.fsf@hope.eyrie.org (Gmane)

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