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  another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-16 19:59 +0200
    Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-06-16 21:26 +0200
      Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-06-16 20:13 +0000
        Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-16 23:01 +0200
      Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-06-17 13:11 +0000
    Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-16 23:05 +0200
    Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-06-16 18:51 -0500
    Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-06-17 13:07 +0000
      Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-17 16:34 +0200
        Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-06-17 10:03 -0500
          Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-06-17 10:08 -0500
        Re: another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :) William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-06-17 16:19 +0000

#56916 — another episode in "non standard" homes' saga :)

This thread is related to the one of "moving home"

Assume that I had moved it successfully

I have (simplifying to the minimum)
Disk A : Debian (with /)
Disk B : HOMES
(with subfolders :
* Debian/home/Mario_1 dedicated config files of former 
debian/home/mario,
*  MX/home/Mario_2, empty
* SharedDocuments (full of common data)
)
Disk C : swap (now for Debian, tomorrow for every distro)
Disk D : Empty


I'd like to Install MX Linux on Disk D: (all of it), but I'd 
like to have MX/home not on disk D: but on Disk B: (Homes) 
... but, and this is my main worry, besides use it as is (no 
formatting) I would want "D:"/home/Mario  to be placed in 
"B:"/home/Mario_2, that is created SIDE BY SIDE another home 
and not rooted in the top level folder of the device, but in 
a subfolder of my choice

I have never seen such options on any installer ... is it 
there some way to do this on install (choosing mount point 
manually) ? It would avoid moving later ...

I dunno if I've been clear :\

I used the A, B, C, D windows-like designation for 
shortness, in place of some /dev/sda etc
TY


-- 
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato)

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#56918

On 16/06/2019 19.59, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> 
> This thread is related to the one of "moving home"

Why all these threads about the same thing? Is this thread 3 or 4 about 
moving home.


> Assume that I had moved it successfully
> 
> I have (simplifying to the minimum)
> sda: Debian (with /)
> sdb : HOMES
> (with subfolders :
> * Debian/home/Mario_1 dedicated config files of former debian/home/mario,
> *  MX/home/Mario_2, empty
> * SharedDocuments (full of common data)
> )
> sdc : swap (now for Debian, tomorrow for every distro)
> sdd : Empty

> 
> I'd like to Install MX Linux on sdd: (all of it), but I'd like to 
> have MX/home not on sdd: but on sdb: (Homes) ... but, and this is 
> my main worry, besides use it as is (no formatting) I would want 
> sdd:/home/Mario  to be placed in sdb:"/home/Mario_2, 

It's possible, but messy to have a home directory name other than the 
user name, the problem you will encounter is that the graphical 
interface that you install with will most likely not support this.

I do suggest you make your installation, without chaining anything. When 
you do the first boot of your newly installed distro, boot into single 
user mode.

  1. Mount the /dev/sdd to /mnt
  2. move the /home/<username> to /mnt/Mario_2
  3. adjust your fstab to mount /dev/sdd to /home
  4. adjust the passwd to have /home/Mario_2 as your users home directory
  5. reboot

You could of course use bind mount the /dev/sdb/home/Mario_2 to 
/dev/sdd/home/<username>


> I have never seen such options on any installer ... is it there some way 
> to do this on install (choosing mount point manually) ? It would avoid 
> moving later ...

If you use the command line installer, then you can use useradd to 
create your user and set the home directory location with the option -d


> I dunno if I've been clear :\
> I used the A, B, C, D windows-like designation for shortness, in place 
> of some /dev/sda etc

Not when you mess things up with microsoft, make it unclear, did some 
assumptions and fixed your text.


-- 

  //Aho

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#56921

In article <gmnjflFee8sU1@mid.individual.net>,
J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>On 16/06/2019 19.59, Soviet_Mario wrote:
>> 
>> This thread is related to the one of "moving home"
>
>Why all these threads about the same thing? Is this thread 3 or 4 about 
>moving home.

I don't see how the now common millenial habit of moving back home after
college is relevant in a technical newsgroup.

-- 
Shikata ga nai...

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#56927

On 16/06/2019 22.13, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <gmnjflFee8sU1@mid.individual.net>,
> J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>> On 16/06/2019 19.59, Soviet_Mario wrote:
>>>
>>> This thread is related to the one of "moving home"
>>
>> Why all these threads about the same thing? Is this thread 3 or 4 about 
>> moving home.
> 
> I don't see how the now common millenial habit of moving back home after
> college is relevant in a technical newsgroup.

Nobody is talking of that.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#56938

On 2019-06-16, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 16/06/2019 19.59, Soviet_Mario wrote:
>> 
>> This thread is related to the one of "moving home"
>
> Why all these threads about the same thing? Is this thread 3 or 4 about 
> moving home.
>
>
>> Assume that I had moved it successfully
>> 
>> I have (simplifying to the minimum)
>> sda: Debian (with /)
>> sdb : HOMES
>> (with subfolders :
>> * Debian/home/Mario_1 dedicated config files of former debian/home/mario,
>> *  MX/home/Mario_2, empty
>> * SharedDocuments (full of common data)
>> )
>> sdc : swap (now for Debian, tomorrow for every distro)
>> sdd : Empty
>
>> 
>> I'd like to Install MX Linux on sdd: (all of it), but I'd like to 
>> have MX/home not on sdd: but on sdb: (Homes) ... but, and this is 
>> my main worry, besides use it as is (no formatting) I would want 
>> sdd:/home/Mario  to be placed in sdb:"/home/Mario_2, 
>
> It's possible, but messy to have a home directory name other than the 
> user name, the problem you will encounter is that the graphical 
> interface that you install with will most likely not support this.

What is messy about it? It is trivial. You can put home whereever you
want with any name you want. You just have to remember to tell the
system where it is ( by editing /etc/passwd and sticking in the correct
name for the home directory for that user).

Whetehr or not the gui gives this option is the gui's problem, but I
suspect most allow you to so.

>
> I do suggest you make your installation, without chaining anything. When 
> you do the first boot of your newly installed distro, boot into single 
> user mode.
>
>   1. Mount the /dev/sdd to /mnt
>   2. move the /home/<username> to /mnt/Mario_2
>   3. adjust your fstab to mount /dev/sdd to /home
>   4. adjust the passwd to have /home/Mario_2 as your users home directory
>   5. reboot
>
> You could of course use bind mount the /dev/sdb/home/Mario_2 to 
> /dev/sdd/home/<username>
>
>
>> I have never seen such options on any installer ... is it there some way 
>> to do this on install (choosing mount point manually) ? It would avoid 
>> moving later ...
>
> If you use the command line installer, then you can use useradd to 
> create your user and set the home directory location with the option -d
>
>
>> I dunno if I've been clear :\
>> I used the A, B, C, D windows-like designation for shortness, in place 
>> of some /dev/sda etc
>
> Not when you mess things up with microsoft, make it unclear, did some 
> assumptions and fixed your text.
>
>

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#56928

On 16/06/2019 19.59, Soviet_Mario wrote:
> 
> This thread is related to the one of "moving home"
> 
> Assume that I had moved it successfully
> 
> I have (simplifying to the minimum)
> Disk A : Debian (with /)
> Disk B : HOMES
> (with subfolders :
> * Debian/home/Mario_1 dedicated config files of former debian/home/mario,
> *  MX/home/Mario_2, empty
> * SharedDocuments (full of common data)
> )
> Disk C : swap (now for Debian, tomorrow for every distro)
> Disk D : Empty
> 
> 
> I'd like to Install MX Linux on Disk D: (all of it), but I'd like to
> have MX/home not on disk D: but on Disk B: (Homes) ... but, and this is
> my main worry, besides use it as is (no formatting) I would want
> "D:"/home/Mario  to be placed in "B:"/home/Mario_2, that is created SIDE
> BY SIDE another home and not rooted in the top level folder of the
> device, but in a subfolder of my choice
> 
> I have never seen such options on any installer ... is it there some way
> to do this on install (choosing mount point manually) ? It would avoid
> moving later ...

Don't.

Let each Linux installation have its own different /home directory or
partition. Do not share the /home/user directory across different
installs, it causes problems.

Instead, create another partition, say /Documents, and share it using
symlinks

/home/USERNAME/Documents --> /Documents/USERNAME/

/home2/USERNAME/Documents --> /Documents/USERNAME/

/home3/USERNAME/Documents --> /Documents/USERNAME/


I'm sure this has already been explained to you.

> 
> I dunno if I've been clear :\
> 
> I used the A, B, C, D windows-like designation for shortness, in place
> of some /dev/sda etc

Please don't.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#56931

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 19:59:04 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
>
> This thread is related to the one of "moving home"
>
> Assume that I had moved it successfully
>
> I have (simplifying to the minimum)
> Disk A : Debian (with /)
> Disk B : HOMES
> (with subfolders :
> * Debian/home/Mario_1 dedicated config files of former
> debian/home/mario,
> *  MX/home/Mario_2, empty
> * SharedDocuments (full of common data)
> )
> Disk C : swap (now for Debian, tomorrow for every distro)
> Disk D : Empty
>
>
> I'd like to Install MX Linux on Disk D: (all of it), but I'd
> like to have MX/home not on disk D: but on Disk B: (Homes)
> ... but, and this is my main worry, besides use it as is (no
> formatting) I would want "D:"/home/Mario  to be placed in
> "B:"/home/Mario_2, that is created SIDE BY SIDE another home
> and not rooted in the top level folder of the device, but in
> a subfolder of my choice
>
> I have never seen such options on any installer ... is it
> there some way to do this on install (choosing mount point
> manually) ? It would avoid moving later ...
>
> I dunno if I've been clear :\
>
> I used the A, B, C, D windows-like designation for
> shortness, in place of some /dev/sda etc
> TY

Well, I do not know about anyone else, but I am getting kind of tired
of your requirement/problem. You have been told how to share user
data between different installs, and whatnot.

My recommendation, create a VirtualBox machine, deb_mx, with a
GPT 25gig drive, use the systemrescuecd iso, create three partitions,
10 gig ext4, for each OS, and remaining space for shared.

Go ahead and name the partition and label each, say, deb, mx, shared.

In the root terminal, mount the shared partition, create whatever
sub-directories you think you want for whatever the hell setup you want.
umount the shared partition, shutdown deb_mx.

Load debian iso in cdrom, and install it, picking whatever you can
access/set with the installer.

Shut deb_mx down. I would clone deb_mx to deb_mx1.

load mx iso in cdrom in deb_mx1 and do the install.
That way if you screw up, you can delete deb_mx1,
clone deb_mx to deb_mx1 and try the install again.

If successful, delete deb_mx, then you can rename deb_mx1 to deb_mx
and have a machine/guest you can experiment on.

That will give you a feel for what is going to happen on your real/host
machine when you go to install MX.

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#56937

On 2019-06-16, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> wrote:
>
> This thread is related to the one of "moving home"
>
> Assume that I had moved it successfully
>
> I have (simplifying to the minimum)
> Disk A : Debian (with /)
> Disk B : HOMES
> (with subfolders :
> * Debian/home/Mario_1 dedicated config files of former 
> debian/home/mario,

I presume that you actually mean /home/Mario_1 and /home/Mariao_2
and the Debin and HOMES are the labels of your disks. Those disk labels
have NOTHING to do with the path of the filesdirectories in Linux.

And same with MX.
Ie, these are all just part of /home.

> *  MX/home/Mario_2, empty
> * SharedDocuments (full of common data)
> )
> Disk C : swap (now for Debian, tomorrow for every distro)
> Disk D : Empty
>
>
> I'd like to Install MX Linux on Disk D: (all of it), but I'd > like to have MX/home not on disk D: but on Disk B: (Homes) 

NO, YOu are dreaming in Microsoft, not linux.You have to mount the
partition you call D somewhere in the filesystem. Lets say /local
Then you might have a directory under /local/ called home, so
/local/home. 
rsync -aHv /home/Mario_1 /local/home
would tralfer all the conten of the directory Mario_1 (including the
directory itself) to /local/Mario_1. Since /local/is on partitoin D that
data would all be on partition D.

> ... but, and this is my main worry, besides use it as is (no 
> formatting) I would want "D:"/home/Mario  to be placed in 
> "B:"/home/Mario_2, that is created SIDE BY SIDE another home 
> and not rooted in the top level folder of the device, but in 
o
> a subfolder of my choice

No idea what you are talking about. What does "placed in" mean. D: is
different partition from B: and you cannot have something that is
simultaneiousl in two partitions. 
>
> I have never seen such options on any installer ... is it 
> there some way to do this on install (choosing mount point 
> manually) ? It would avoid moving later ...
>
> I dunno if I've been clear :\

Nope
>
> I used the A, B, C, D windows-like designation for 
> shortness, in place of some /dev/sda etc
> TY
>
>

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#56943

Il 17/06/19 15:07, William Unruh ha scritto:
> On 2019-06-16, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> wrote:
>>
>> This thread is related to the one of "moving home"
>>
>> Assume that I had moved it successfully
>>
>> I have (simplifying to the minimum)
>> Disk A : Debian (with /)
>> Disk B : HOMES
>> (with subfolders :
>> * Debian/home/Mario_1 dedicated config files of former
>> debian/home/mario,
> 
> I presume that you actually mean /home/Mario_1 and /home/Mariao_2

no, Debian and MX are folders on the same disk
B: or better /media/HOMES

so maybe I should have written them as

/media/HOMES/Debian/home/Mario_1
/media/HOMES/MX/home/Mario_2

I dunno if the mid "/home" is still necessary, I just 
assumed every hardwired path in config files could be a 
relative path starting from home/sth ... obviously if it was 
an absolure /home/sth (root included), this "trick" would 
not work

> and the Debin and HOMES are the labels of your disks. Those disk labels
> have NOTHING to do with the path of the filesdirectories in Linux.

tnx for precisation. But they were part of the paths (the 
drive has the plural, HOMES, as a label, but I have not 
added it to the path for the reasons you explained)

> 
> And same with MX.
> Ie, these are all just part of /home.

I would not want this to happen !

> 
>> *  MX/home/Mario_2, empty
>> * SharedDocuments (full of common data)
>> )
>> Disk C : swap (now for Debian, tomorrow for every distro)
>> Disk D : Empty
>>
>>
>> I'd like to Install MX Linux on Disk D: (all of it), but I'd > like to have MX/home not on disk D: but on Disk B: (Homes)
> 
> NO, YOu are dreaming in Microsoft, not linux.You have to mount the
> partition you call D somewhere in the filesystem. Lets say /local
> Then you might have a directory under /local/ called home, so
> /local/home.
> rsync -aHv /home/Mario_1 /local/home
> would tralfer all the conten of the directory Mario_1 (including the
> directory itself) to /local/Mario_1. Since /local/is on partitoin D that
> data would all be on partition D.
> 
>> ... but, and this is my main worry, besides use it as is (no
>> formatting) I would want "D:"/home/Mario  to be placed in
>> "B:"/home/Mario_2, that is created SIDE BY SIDE another home
>> and not rooted in the top level folder of the device, but in
> o
>> a subfolder of my choice
> 
> No idea what you are talking about. What does "placed in" mean. 

that the actual data would reside in partition "B:", at the 
pathname D:/home/Mario_2  or translated in Linuxian
/media/HOMES/MX/home/Mario_2
(where HOMES is a device and not a folder, and one different 
from root current target device)

> D: is
> different partition from B: and you cannot have something that is
> simultaneiousl in two partitions.

I do want it just in D: not in 2 places ...

>>
>> I have never seen such options on any installer ... is it
>> there some way to do this on install (choosing mount point
>> manually) ? It would avoid moving later ...
>>
>> I dunno if I've been clear :\
> 
> Nope

I'm sorry, I'm evidently too poor in English to convey the 
meaning :(

>>
>> I used the A, B, C, D windows-like designation for
>> shortness, in place of some /dev/sda etc
>> TY
>>
>>


-- 
1) Resistere, resistere, resistere.
2) Se tutti pagano le tasse, le tasse le pagano tutti
Soviet_Mario - (aka Gatto_Vizzato)

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#56944

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:34:49 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:

Loaded MX Linux in a guest this morning. Xfce works much better than
Debian Xfce. It also has a bigger selection in the Settings Manager.


> /media/HOMES/Debian/home/Mario_1
> /media/HOMES/MX/home/Mario_2

So far I still do not see how you are keeping the user's
Desktop Environment configuration files separate from each install.

Something else for you to consider is a big update, or next release.
Seen users complain new updates caused major problems.

If I were running these kinds of rolling release updated distribution
I would rsync "Production" install to new_and_improved partition,
edit its /etc/fstab, have grub update the boot menu, then boot it
and do the update. If it works, remove the old install.

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#56945

On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 10:03:53 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:34:49 +0200, Soviet_Mario wrote:
>
> Loaded MX Linux in a guest this morning. Xfce works much better than
> Debian Xfce. It also has a bigger selection in the Settings Manager.
>
>
>> /media/HOMES/Debian/home/Mario_1
>> /media/HOMES/MX/home/Mario_2
>
> So far I still do not see how you are keeping the user's
> Desktop Environment configuration files separate from each install

Oops, forgot to add,     and still share user data between installs.

> Something else for you to consider is a big update, or next release.
> Seen users complain new updates caused major problems.
>
> If I were running these kinds of rolling release updated distribution
> I would rsync "Production" install to new_and_improved partition,
> edit its /etc/fstab, have grub update the boot menu, then boot it
> and do the update. If it works, remove the old install.
>


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#56946

On 2019-06-17, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> wrote:
> Il 17/06/19 15:07, William Unruh ha scritto:
>> On 2019-06-16, Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> wrote:
>>>
>>> This thread is related to the one of "moving home"
>>>
>>> Assume that I had moved it successfully
>>>
>>> I have (simplifying to the minimum)
>>> Disk A : Debian (with /)
>>> Disk B : HOMES
>>> (with subfolders :
>>> * Debian/home/Mario_1 dedicated config files of former
>>> debian/home/mario,
>> 
>> I presume that you actually mean /home/Mario_1 and /home/Mariao_2
>
> no, Debian and MX are folders on the same disk
> B: or better /media/HOMES
>
> so maybe I should have written them as
>
> /media/HOMES/Debian/home/Mario_1
> /media/HOMES/MX/home/Mario_2

Yes, you should have.

>
o
For what? Certainly the system does not care. The names are there for
your convenience
> I dunno if the mid "/home" is still necessary, I just 
> assumed every hardwired path in config files could be a 

(hardwired?

> relative path starting from home/sth ... obviously if it was 
> an absolure /home/sth (root included), this "trick" would 
o
What trick.
> not work
>
>> and the Debin and HOMES are the labels of your disks. Those disk labels
>> have NOTHING to do with the path of the filesdirectories in Linux.
>
> tnx for precisation. But they were part of the paths (the 
> drive has the plural, HOMES, as a label, but I have not 
> added it to the path for the reasons you explained)
>
>> 
>> And same with MX.
>> Ie, these are all just part of /home.
>
> I would not want this to happen !
>
>> 
>>> *  MX/home/Mario_2, empty
>>> * SharedDocuments (full of common data)
>>> )
>>> Disk C : swap (now for Debian, tomorrow for every distro)
>>> Disk D : Empty
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to Install MX Linux on Disk D: (all of it), but I'd > like to have MX/home not on disk D: but on Disk B: (Homes)
>> 
>> NO, YOu are dreaming in Microsoft, not linux.You have to mount the
>> partition you call D somewhere in the filesystem. Lets say /local
>> Then you might have a directory under /local/ called home, so
>> /local/home.
>> rsync -aHv /home/Mario_1 /local/home
>> would tralfer all the conten of the directory Mario_1 (including the
>> directory itself) to /local/Mario_1. Since /local/is on partitoin D that
>> data would all be on partition D.
>> 
>>> ... but, and this is my main worry, besides use it as is (no
>>> formatting) I would want "D:"/home/Mario  to be placed in
>>> "B:"/home/Mario_2, that is created SIDE BY SIDE another home
>>> and not rooted in the top level folder of the device, but in
>> o
>>> a subfolder of my choice
>> 
>> No idea what you are talking about. What does "placed in" mean. 
>
> that the actual data would reside in partition "B:", at the 
> pathname D:/home/Mario_2  or translated in Linuxian
> /media/HOMES/MX/home/Mario_2
> (where HOMES is a device and not a folder, and one different 
> from root current target device)

??? HOMES is a subdirectory in your filesystem No ideas what :HOMES is a
device" means.

>
>> D: is
>> different partition from B: and you cannot have something that is
>> simultaneiousl in two partitions.
>
> I do want it just in D: not in 2 places ...
>
>>>
>>> I have never seen such options on any installer ... is it
>>> there some way to do this on install (choosing mount point
>>> manually) ? It would avoid moving later ...
>>>
>>> I dunno if I've been clear :\
>> 
>> Nope
>
> I'm sorry, I'm evidently too poor in English to convey the 
> meaning :(

 It is not your English that is the problem


>
>>>
>>> I used the A, B, C, D windows-like designation for
>>> shortness, in place of some /dev/sda etc
>>> TY
>>>
>>>
>
>

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