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Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway?

Started by	"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net>
First post	2019-07-18 17:26 +0000
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#57829

From	"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net>
Date	2019-07-22 20:42 +0000
Message-ID	<qh574d$bim$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#57813

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:23:47 -0700, sms wrote:

> In the fires in California, the "fireproof safes" were anything but! One 
> of these fires, Coffey Park, destroyed a residential neighborhood, after 
> jumping a six lane freeway, it was not up in a forest somewhere.
> 
> It's simple enough to encrypt files and then store them somewhere in the 
> cloud. You probably don't have a huge number of files that even require 
> encryption.

Hi Steve,
What data is so important that it MUST be preserved against catastrophe?

It seems from this thread, and from others on the Apple newsgroups, that
you're well aware, as am I, that the fire-proof safes are rated "by the
hour", where, we've both seen cases where they turned into mush in
California style fires.

Since I live in the highest fire danger (and earthquake) zone possible in
California, I wouldn't trust those safes with my data. You live nearby, but
perhaps not as rural as I am, nor, perhaps, as close to the fault line as I
am, but I would think, nonetheless, that you're in as much trouble as I am
when the stuff hits the fan in California.

*What data is so important that we MUST replace it after a catastrophe?*

Personally, I can't think of _any_ data that I can't replace that is so
super important, other than photos of the kids when they were kids, where,
if I really cared to, a safe deposit box would suffice.

What DATA is so important that it MUST be stored in cloud storage 
(that you can't replace or rebuild if the rare catastrophe occurs)?

QUESTION:
o What data is so important that it MUST be preserved against catastrophe?

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#57753

From	"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date	2019-07-20 10:22 -0500
Message-ID	<20190720102234.2a356a06@WizardsTower>
In reply to	#57749

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:37:22 -0000 (UTC)
"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> I'm simply asking the very basic question here of how they (Apple,
> Google, Microsoft, DropBox) make money by giving you that "free"
> cloud storage for your personal data.

Are you OK?

Twice before you've posted asking a question.  Both first times you
asked a DIFFERENT question which you claimed to be the same one.  Now
here you ask a new and completely different question, indicating
through context that it is the same question once again.  

It isn't.  You are conflating three individual questions and calling
them one.

Are you sure that you're all right?  Off your meds?  Bump your head?
Stroking out?

We're all concerned about you.

What has gone before:

----------------------
In Message-ID: <qgv8v1$t4h$1@news.mixmin.net> you asked:

------------
 ... I'm asking about the OTHERS who DO put their data on the cloud -
 which ones they use.
------------  

In Message-ID: <qgqa3p$db1$1@news.mixmin.net> you asked:
------------
"Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage
anyway?"
------------
---------------------

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard

We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves.
	Eric Hoffer

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#57755

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-07-20 11:34 -0400
Message-ID	<200720191134065108%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#57753

In article <20190720102234.2a356a06@WizardsTower>, Cybe R. Wizard
<cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:37:22 -0000 (UTC)
> "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> > I'm simply asking the very basic question here of how they (Apple,
> > Google, Microsoft, DropBox) make money by giving you that "free"
> > cloud storage for your personal data.
> 
> Are you OK?
> 
> Twice before you've posted asking a question.  Both first times you
> asked a DIFFERENT question which you claimed to be the same one.  Now
> here you ask a new and completely different question, indicating
> through context that it is the same question once again.  
> 
> It isn't.  You are conflating three individual questions and calling
> them one.
> 
> Are you sure that you're all right?  Off your meds?  Bump your head?
> Stroking out?
> 
> We're all concerned about you.

i'm not, and i'm sure many others aren't either.

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#57757

From	"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date	2019-07-20 10:44 -0500
Message-ID	<20190720104422.4d593347@WizardsTower>
In reply to	#57755

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:34:06 -0400
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

[Arlen}

> > 
> > We're all concerned about you.  
> 
> i'm not, and i'm sure many others aren't either.

;-]

Sure, you are.  It's just not a concern relating to good health or
happiness.  (or even, possibly, life)  It may even be anti-all that.

IOW, you have the same (or very similar) concerns as I.

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard

"There's no justice.  There's only me."
	Judge Dredd

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#57771

From	David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net>
Date	2019-07-20 20:14 +0100
Message-ID	<qgvp71$rl8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#57755

On 20/07/19 16:34, nospam wrote:
> i'm not [concerned about Arlen Holder], and i'm sure many others aren't either.

When he starts a thread, I wait to see how long it is before he refers 
to `adult' and `childish' things.

I find it an odd way to analyse data or people -- but I'm 66 years old 
and the issue was `live' for me way back in 1971.

David

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#57772

From	Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date	2019-07-20 19:29 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnqj6qs5.ds3.dan@djph.net>
In reply to	#57771

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David Catterall wrote:
> On 20/07/19 16:34, nospam wrote:
>> i'm not [concerned about Arlen Holder], and i'm sure many others
>> aren't either.
>
> When he starts a thread, I wait to see how long it is before he refers 
> to `adult' and `childish' things.
>
> I find it an odd way to analyse data or people -- but I'm 66 years old 
> and the issue was `live' for me way back in 1971.

Which means you were there when those crazies landed on the moon 50
years ago.  go humanity!

(too bad we've not really done it much since...)


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#57775

From	"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date	2019-07-20 15:45 -0500
Message-ID	<20190720154539.19073e58@WizardsTower>
In reply to	#57772

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:29:09 -0000 (UTC)
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

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> David Catterall wrote:
> > On 20/07/19 16:34, nospam wrote:  
> >> i'm not [concerned about Arlen Holder], and i'm sure many others
> >> aren't either.  
> >
> > When he starts a thread, I wait to see how long it is before he
> > refers to `adult' and `childish' things.
> >
> > I find it an odd way to analyse data or people -- but I'm 66 years
> > old and the issue was `live' for me way back in 1971.  
> 
> Which means you were there when those crazies landed on the moon 50
> years ago.  go humanity!
> 
> (too bad we've not really done it much since...)
> 
I was 17, 3 months away from turning 18 on That Momentous Day.  I was a
long-time science and space buff, quite knowledgeable about all things
NASA, way more than ready for that historic flight, and drunk as Cooter
Brown by the time foot finally hit dust.   ;-]

I am having the time of my life this week reliving that long-ago time
with CBS's Youtube stream of the entirety of the flight.

And you said, it is a shame we haven't done more since, but I am excited
that private enterprise is /FINALLY/ getting involved.

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard

The second best thing about space travel is that the distances involved
make war very difficult, usually impractical, and almost always
unnecessary. This is probably a loss for most people, since war is our
race's most popular diversion, one which gives purpose and color to
dull and stupid lives. But it is a great boon to the intelligent man
who fights only when he must--never for sport.
	ROBERT A. HEINLEIN, Time Enough For Love

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#57779

From	"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net>
Date	2019-07-20 21:07 +0000
Message-ID	<qgvvr3$56u$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#57771

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 20:14:41 +0100, David Catterall wrote:

> When he starts a thread, I wait to see how long it is before he refers 
> to `adult' and `childish' things.
> 
> I find it an odd way to analyse data or people -- but I'm 66 years old 
> and the issue was `live' for me way back in 1971.

Hi David,
People are what they are - which you can't blame me for what THEY are.
o Whether they own the brain of an adult or a child is up to THEM.

Don't blame me for simply pointing out what they write, which is that
a. They can't ever post anything of adult technical value, and, 
b. They can't possibly post anything on topic to the thread.

I've been on Usenet for decades, as have most of the old men here.
There are mostly adults (95%) but many children (see vetted list below).

You have not made the list of well-known children - who are incapable of
posting on-topic information of adult value; but your post was clearly
devoid of any adult value whatsoever - and certainly not on topic.

Are you a child, David?
o *Can you possibly add ANY adult on-topic value, David?*

The fact you have NOT added any on-topic value is clear - but whether or
not you own the mind of a child will be determined by whether you CAN
possibly add adult on-topic value to any technical conversation, David.

Can you possibly add adult on-topic technical value, David?
o It's not me who determines that - your own words will prove it or not.

We'll see based on your ability to do two simple adult things:
1. Stay on topic, and, 
2. Add technical value to the topic.

Here's a simple CHALLENGE to you, David:
Q: Can you do post to this very thread ANYTHING of adult on-topic value?

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o et al.

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#57780

From	"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid>
Date	2019-07-20 22:16 +0100
Message-ID	<0117jelu02knbsd95hqe3c16je071megpn@4ax.com>
In reply to	#57779

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:07:48 -0000 (UTC), "Arlen G. Holder"
<arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:

>o Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
>o Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>o Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch>
>o BK@Onramp.net
>o Beedle <Beedle@dont-email.me>
>o Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>o Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>o Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
>o "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> (always a child)
>o Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> (sometimes, but only rarely posts as an adult)
>o Davoud <star@sky.net>
>o Diesel <me@privacy.net> (aka Dustin Cook)
>o Elden <usenet@moondog.org> 
>o Elfin <elfinarc6@gmail.com> (aka Lloyd, aka Lloyd Parsons)
>o Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net> Jeff
>o *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>
>o Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> (mostly is an adult but often a child)
>o joe <none@domain.invalid> (rarely, but sometimes posts as an adult would)
>o Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>o Johan <JHvB@nospam.invalid>
>o John Doe <always.look@message.header>
>o John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
>o John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>
>o Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
>o Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com>
>o Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
>o Lloyd <elfinarc6@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
>o Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
>o Meanie <Me@gmail.com>
>o nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> (bullshits more than anyone on Usenet)
>o Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net>
>o "pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com> Peter Wieck, Melrose Park, PA
>o Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> (always posts as a child would post)
>o "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> (aka Rudy Wieser) (always a child)
>o Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
>o shemp14@outlook.com
>o Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> (aka Michael Glasser, troll's troll) 
>o Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
>o Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net>
>o Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> (always posts as a child)
>o Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>o et al.

Damn, Shadow is going to be pissed.

Again.

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#57781

From	David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net>
Date	2019-07-20 23:06 +0100
Message-ID	<qh0388$jsu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#57779

On 20/07/19 22:07, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

> whether or
> not you own the mind of a child will be determined by whether you CAN
> possibly add adult on-topic value to any technical conversation, David.

There is no psychological or educational basis for that hypothesis.

However, the fact that you are trying to place /me/ in the zone of your 
contrived adult-or-child(ish) dichotomy means that your universe has a 
degree of consistency, if nothing else.

This is my last response in this thread, but I will continue to observe you.

David

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#57756

From	Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com>
Date	2019-07-20 11:41 -0400
Message-ID	<qgvcmv$mlb$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#57749

On 7/20/19 10:37 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

snip
> 
> In summary, I strive to keep my personal data off the cloud, but most
> people, it seems, rampantly store their personal data on the cloud.
> 
> I'm simply asking the very basic question here of how they (Apple, Google,
> Microsoft, DropBox) make money by giving you that "free" cloud storage for
> your personal data.
> 

The best answer would be to read their EULA's and see what they are 
allowed to do with your data. Watch out for phrases like "sharing with 
partners".

When you accept free cloud storage from "Acme Cloud Data", you had to 
provide certain info to them: username, password, real name, address, 
etc. This info has a small value to "Acme". Where the money comes from 
is when "Acme" combines their customer info with the info from 
"RiverInBrazil" online sales website, and "HeadMagazine" social media 
website, and they correlate the small amount of info each company has 
about you into one massive dossier titled "Holder, Arlen G." Then they 
sell that info (which was gathered in accordance with the EULA's of each 
respective company) to anyone who will pay for it.

Example: The OpenRoad company has designed a camper for the Fiord F-150 
pickup. OpenRoad contacts Googel for a potential customer database of 
camping fans who own Fiord F-150's in Mytown, USA. Googel knows that 
someone at IP address 256.256.256.256 has searched for campsites. 
Through their contact with AcmeCloudData, they know that Arlen Holder 
has uploaded data from the same IP address. Through their contact with 
RiverInBrazil, Googel knows that Arlen Holder has bought floormats for a 
Fiord F-150, and had them shipped to Mytown, USA. Googel also knows that 
AGHolder has uploaded photos of the Grand Canyon to HeadMagazine. Googel 
sells this info to OpenRoad for twenty-five cents, and splits the 
twenty-five cents with AcmeData, RiverInBrazil, and HeadMagazine. Now, 
twenty-five cents doesn't sound like much, but do it 100,000 times a day 
and you're talking about real money, at very little cost.

The thing to remember is that these companies don't need to make a lot 
of money from one user; they just need to make a little money from each 
of a lot of users.

-- 
Ken Hart
kwhart1@frontier.com

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#57763

From	"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net>
Date	2019-07-20 16:44 +0000
Message-ID	<qgvgci$9r0$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#57738

On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:26:41 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

> If you go to the doctor, use a credit card, pay taxes, etc,
> your very personal data is already in the cloud...

Hi 123456789,

Yours is an interesting and yet perfectly valid response to the question,
where I think we have a problem of definitions varying (and conflicting).
<https://i.postimg.cc/6Q9VZrMf/storage.jpg>

1. When I say cloud, I only mean "consumer cloud data storage".
2. However, when I googled, up came "B2B cloud services".
3. And your post seems to mean "any data storage on someone's server".
4. While others seem to infer that "cloud" === Internet, to them.

Given this confusion, I think I should henceforth not use the word "cloud"
alone, since it means at least four completely different things to people,
apparently.

For _this_ thread, when I use the word "cloud", I mean only the specific
type of *consumer oriented* personal data storage solutions offered by the
big three (or maybe the big five or half dozen):
o Google One vs. Dropbox, OneDrive, Box, Amazon, and iCloud in 2018
<https://www.cloudfuze.com/google-one-vs-dropbox-onedrive-box-amazon-and-icloud-in-2018/>

*CONSUMER CLOUD PROVIDERS* <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q9VZrMf/storage.jpg>
1. GoogleDrive aka GoogleOne (15GB)
2. Box (10GB)
3. AmazonDrive (5GB)
4. OneDrive (5GB)
5. iCloud (5GB)
6. DropBox (2GB)

As described in these "cloud storage" references I just skimmed:
o The best cloud storage provider: Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive & iCloud Drive compared
<https://www.techly.com.au/2019/02/18/best-cloud-storage-provider-dropbox-google-drive-onedrive-icloud-drive-compared/>

o OneDrive, Dropbox, Google Drive and Box: Which cloud storage service is right for you?
<https://www.cnet.com/how-to/onedrive-dropbox-google-drive-and-box-which-cloud-storage-service-is-right-for-you/>

o Cloud storage: How secure are Dropbox, OneDrive, Google Drive and iCloud?
<https://www.alphr.com/apple/1000326/cloud-storage-how-secure-are-dropbox-onedrive-google-drive-and-icloud>

o Best of The Big Three: Dropbox vs Google Drive vs Onedrive
<https://www.cloudwards.net/dropbox-vs-google-drive-vs-onedrive/>

o DROPBOX VS GOOGLE DRIVE VS ONEDRIVE VS ICLOUD VS AMAZON DRIVE
<https://5best.cloud/dropbox-vs-google-drive-vs-onedrive-vs-icloud-vs-amazon-drive/>

In summary, how do _they_ make their money by offering consumers a small
amount of free persponal data storage for _home_ Windows, Linux, iOS,
Android, and Mac users? <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q9VZrMf/storage.jpg>

Do they make their money mostly on what lonelydad described as upgrades for
consumers who need _more_ storage than what they provid for free?

If so, what rationale do people use for renting their data for the rest of
their lives, versus just storing the data on inexpensive removable drives
stored in a safe place?

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#57766

From	123456789 <12345@12345.com>
Date	2019-07-20 10:45 -0700
Message-ID	<qgvk0g$u62$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#57763

Arlen G. Holder wrote:
> 123456789 wrote:

>>> I don't put ANY of my data on the cloud if I can help
>>> it.

>> If you go to the doctor, use a credit card, pay taxes,
>>  etc, your very personal data is already in the 
>> cloud...

> When I say cloud, I only mean "consumer cloud data 
> storage"

It apparently makes you feel better to ignore those many
business/government servers containing your most personal
information. IMO you may have your head in the cloud (pun
intended).

It seems that every day I read something about another
government/business server (tax, doctor, credit card, etc.)
being hacked. Not to mention all the employees who have
access and can use your info nefariously.

So while I may be vulnerable using a consumer cloud service
(even though I encrypt and am only one account among
hundreds of millions-what are the chances...), my point
is that you are perhaps already as much (or more) vulnerable
than me using my (consumer) cloud account.

And since you use only in-home backup your data may also be
vulnerable to natural or criminal causes...

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From	"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net>
Date	2019-07-20 20:55 +0000
Message-ID	<qgvv37$3te$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#57766

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:45:50 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

> It apparently makes you feel better to ignore those many
> business/government servers containing your most personal
> information. IMO you may have your head in the cloud (pun
> intended).

Hi 123456789,
WTF?
Just because _this_ thread is about personal cloud services, doesn't mean
it makes me feel better to not talk about completely different topics.

It just means I'm trying to stay on topic.
There are PLENTY of other topics suggesting we store NOTHING on the net
o  More reasons to store NOTHING on the Internet: Facebook exposes hundreds of millions of user login/passwords IN CLEARTEXT since 2012! 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/xLludXWVYgQ/bWjJxIPuAwAJ>

> It seems that every day I read something about another
> government/business server (tax, doctor, credit card, etc.)
> being hacked. Not to mention all the employees who have
> access and can use your info nefariously.

Yup. I post them as separate threads when I find them, for example...
 o  Yet more proof Apple doesn't test software sufficiently (this time not only from Facebook but also from Expedia, Hollister and Hotels.com) 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/8HfdPOQVNVk/dtPTyTltCgAJ>

> So while I may be vulnerable using a consumer cloud service
> (even though I encrypt and am only one account among
> hundreds of millions-what are the chances...), my point
> is that you are perhaps already as much (or more) vulnerable
> than me using my (consumer) cloud account.

We've covered, in detail, the lack of PRIVACY on ANY platform:
o  What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems? 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MiZixhidmOs/GKOcH9eUAAAJ>

> And since you use only in-home backup your data may also be
> vulnerable to natural or criminal causes...

We've covered that topic, in gory detail, in the past also:
o  Do people of reasonable technical ability store their private data on the Internet (if so, for what gain?) 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/E0TkTd-zLuk/fF1RRv51AwAJ>

The difference is that THIS THREAD is asking a simple question:
Q: How do the big six make their money on personal cloud storage?
 <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q9VZrMf/storage.jpg>
1. GoogleDrive aka GoogleOne (15GB)
2. Box (10GB)
3. AmazonDrive (5GB)
4. OneDrive (5GB)
5. iCloud (5GB)
6. DropBox (2GB)

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#57839

From	Tester <anfi@onet.eu>
Date	2019-07-23 20:48 +0000
Message-ID	<qh7rqf$kq1$1@novabbs.com>
In reply to	#57702

Arlen G. Holder wrote on Thu, 18 July 2019 17:26
> A key question that arises from that discussion is:
> Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway?

Amazon already was accused of stealing ideas of popular products from their Amazon
marketplace and coming up with their own, cheaper version of it. Amazon have no
problems entering new markets. If you are successful business that use AWS or their
cloud storage there is no guarantee that they won't use your internal data to enter
your market and get significant advantage over you, considering that they are
backed with loads of money and an army of lawyers.

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