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What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?

Started byarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
First post2019-02-17 20:23 +0000
Last post2019-02-19 13:22 -0800
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  What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 20:23 +0000
    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-17 12:46 -0800
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 21:44 +0000
        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-17 14:29 -0800
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 23:15 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 10:49 +0100
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 02:21 -0800
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 12:13 +0100
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:30 -0800
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:33 +0100
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:14 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 00:33 +0100
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:41 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:22 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:00 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:06 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:39 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 08:41 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:32 +0100
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-18 21:38 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:30 +0100
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:18 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:18 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:31 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:28 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:55 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 10:18 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 21:24 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:47 +0100
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:26 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 00:35 +0100
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:40 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:21 -0600
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-19 21:33 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:21 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 15:55 -0800
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:15 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 00:36 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 03:24 +0100
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:07 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 01:39 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 01:51 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 03:25 +0100
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 02:36 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 16:00 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:25 -0800
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 18:28 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 19:05 +0000
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 11:52 -0800
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 21:13 +0000
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 21:33 +0000
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 13:43 -0800
                                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 22:00 +0000
                                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 22:20 +0000
                                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 22:55 +0000
                                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 22:10 +0000
                                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 14:24 -0800
                                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 23:04 +0000
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 17:20 -0600
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 15:23 -0800
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 23:25 +0000
                                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 13:23 +0000
                                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 09:15 -0800
                                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 18:41 +0000
                                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 22:59 +0100
                                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 22:11 +0000
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 15:39 -0600
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 23:22 +0000
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 13:42 +0000
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 12:57 +0000
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-20 14:51 -0500
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 21:49 +0000
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 12:51 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:17 -0600
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-19 10:32 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:43 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 16:48 -0800
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:54 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:50 -0600
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:52 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:25 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 00:27 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:49 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 08:58 -0600
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-18 05:31 -0500
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:13 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:43 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 16:50 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:31 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:10 -0600
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 12:24 -0800
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:52 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 17:02 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:31 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:08 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:01 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:38 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 09:59 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:22 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:32 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:38 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? shemp14@outlook.com - 2019-02-18 17:01 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 11:15 -0600
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 12:05 -0700
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-18 14:15 -0500
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-18 21:44 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 16:47 -0700
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:05 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:56 -0600
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 06:03 +0000
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-20 10:56 -0500
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-20 19:20 +0000
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:09 -0800
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                                                Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 21:34 +0000
                                                Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-22 01:14 +0000
                                                  Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-25 01:53 +0000
                                          Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-22 04:20 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 19:17 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 01:12 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:18 -0500
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:32 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:37 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:19 -0600
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:44 +0100
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 13:41 -0700
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:10 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:40 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:58 -0600
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:52 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-19 12:16 -0500
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 21:16 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 05:51 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-18 19:18 -0500
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:12 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-18 21:33 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 21:50 -0600
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 11:26 +0100
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 11:00 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 15:46 +0000
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 23:05 +0100
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 23:53 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-21 06:02 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:03 -0800
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-21 00:15 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-19 08:49 -0700
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2019-02-19 10:01 -0600
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-19 16:45 +0000
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:05 +0100
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 20:59 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 22:36 +0100
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-22 18:29 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-22 20:03 +0100
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-22 15:42 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:01 -0600
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-19 09:06 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-19 11:12 -0500
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:07 +0000
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:15 -0600
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-19 12:21 -0500
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:07 +0100
                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-20 10:52 -0500
                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 23:07 +0100
                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-20 17:17 -0500
                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-20 23:16 +0000
                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 15:38 -0800
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 00:11 +0000
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:23 -0800
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:31 -0800
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 08:54 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com> - 2019-02-23 08:32 +1100
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-22 13:52 -0800
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-23 10:33 -0500
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-23 16:39 +0000
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 08:54 +0000
                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 01:29 +0100
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 17:02 -0800
                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-02-20 19:36 -0700
                                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 12:17 +0100
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-02-21 10:32 -0700
                                  Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 20:45 +0000
                                    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 22:42 +0100
                                      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-21 16:52 -0500
                                        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-22 20:05 +0100
                                          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-22 16:36 -0500
                                            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-23 14:15 +0100
                                              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-23 08:31 -0500
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 14:16 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:28 +0000
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:40 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:45 +0000
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-18 10:10 -0600
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:28 +0000
    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? georg.schwarz@freenet.de (Georg Schwarz) - 2019-02-18 22:35 +0100
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:10 +0000
        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:42 -0600
    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:55 +0000
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:04 -0600
        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:14 +0000
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:40 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 19:43 +0000
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-19 15:42 -0600
        Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-19 19:02 -0500
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? anonymous <a@a.invalid> - 2019-02-20 00:22 +0000
            Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-20 00:24 +0000
              Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? kass <kass@kake.invalid> - 2019-02-20 00:44 +0000
                Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-20 00:49 +0000
          Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? lwo <a@a.invalid> - 2019-02-20 00:59 +0000
    Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-19 20:56 +0000
      Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 13:22 -0800

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#54094

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2019-02-20 12:57 +0000
Message-ID<slrnq6qjlf.idk.dan@djph.net>
In reply to#54060
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Mike Easter wrote:
> William Unruh wrote:
>> The article says that the VPN provider is a weak link, and you cannot
>> and should not trust them to maintain your secrecy. And that VPN
>> providers are more likely than most providers to be up to no good.
>> The first is certainly true, the second probably.
>
> What I'm seeing is a wave or a sea of hype.  I believe the natural 
> behavior of 'the masses' is to sense all of the hype about VPNs and to 
> decide to 'look into' what it is all about.  That causes them to search 
> on VPNs or search on free VPNs or best VPNs or whatever so that they can 
> get started in the 'right direction'.

Totally.

> [...]
>
> It is worthwhile discussing or debating about these things but arlen 
> isn't the one to be doing it with.

Which is what I think we're doing right now.  Or well, any time us
"children(tm)" have side-discussions.  

Honestly, as much that he might be a troll, (along with ... oh who was
it, Communist Luigi?), the subjects he brings up tends to get some
positive side discussions going.

Seems that for whatever unfortunate reason, many of us in here need
someone else to either ask a question (or say something wrong[1]) to
actually post something. 

[1] https://xkcd.com/386/

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#54103

FromKen Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com>
Date2019-02-20 14:51 -0500
Message-ID<q4kb3r$vs9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#54094
On 2/20/19 7:57 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
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> 
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> William Unruh wrote:
>>> The article says that the VPN provider is a weak link, and you cannot
>>> and should not trust them to maintain your secrecy. And that VPN
>>> providers are more likely than most providers to be up to no good.
>>> The first is certainly true, the second probably.
>>
>> What I'm seeing is a wave or a sea of hype.  I believe the natural
>> behavior of 'the masses' is to sense all of the hype about VPNs and to
>> decide to 'look into' what it is all about.  That causes them to search
>> on VPNs or search on free VPNs or best VPNs or whatever so that they can
>> get started in the 'right direction'.
> 
> Totally.
> 
>> [...]
>>
>> It is worthwhile discussing or debating about these things but arlen
>> isn't the one to be doing it with.
> 
> Which is what I think we're doing right now.  Or well, any time us
> "children(tm)" have side-discussions.
> 
> Honestly, as much that he might be a troll, (along with ... oh who was
> it, Communist Luigi?), the subjects he brings up tends to get some
> positive side discussions going.
> 
> Seems that for whatever unfortunate reason, many of us in here need
> someone else to either ask a question (or say something wrong[1]) to
> actually post something.
> 
> [1] https://xkcd.com/386/

In fact, I have been following the responses in this thread and learned 
a few things about Usenet, VPNs, etc; mostly from the "children(tm)". 
I've done some research (using Google, for which I got called an 
"Idiot/Troll"), and following some of the links posted by you 
"children(tm)".

The "adult(tm)" overseeing us here has been pretty confusing. And rude.

Thank you, "children(tm)"!



-- 
Ken Hart
kwhart1@frontier.com

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#54107

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2019-02-20 21:49 +0000
Message-ID<slrnq6rirg.idk.dan@djph.net>
In reply to#54103
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Ken Hart wrote:
> On 2/20/19 7:57 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote
>>> [...]
>>> It is worthwhile discussing or debating about these things but arlen
>>> isn't the one to be doing it with.
>> 
>> Which is what I think we're doing right now.  Or well, any time us
>> "children(tm)" have side-discussions.
>>  [...]
>
> In fact, I have been following the responses in this thread and learned 
> a few things about Usenet, VPNs, etc; mostly from the "children(tm)". 
> I've done some research (using Google, for which I got called an 
> "Idiot/Troll"), and following some of the links posted by you 
> "children(tm)".
>
> The "adult(tm)" overseeing us here has been pretty confusing. And rude.
>
> Thank you, "children(tm)"!

We try :) .

Help yourself to cookies and milk, fellow "child(tm)".


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#54093

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2019-02-20 12:51 +0000
Message-ID<slrnq6qja3.idk.dan@djph.net>
In reply to#54058
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William Unruh wrote:
> On 2019-02-19, Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>>
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Dan Purgert wrote:
>>>> Seems you didn't comprehend the article Mike Easter linked, as it was
>>>> talking specifically about using a VPN as a glorified proxy for
>>>> web-browsing (and further admitted that there are times when it's the
>>>> only option).
>>>
>>> That article that got arlen so upset wasn't a particularly good article, 
>>
>> It wasn't particularly bad, either.
>
> As always, it depends on what you are trying to protect yourself from. 
> The article says that the VPN provider is a weak link, and you cannot
> and should not trust them to maintain your secrecy. And that VPN
> providers are more likely than most providers to be up to no good.
> The first is certainly true, the second probably.

Yeah, it really becomes a question of "how well do you trust them".  I
read the "over the top" claims with the same suspicion that one
(MUST[1]) read the claims of "total anonymity" that the VPN as
glorified proxy providers give -- ESPECIALLY the free ones.

[1] see RFC2119 - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt

> [...] If it is protection from other random readers on usenet, then a
> VPN is almost certainly adequate, since the VPN proivider is not going
> to divulge the info to any random person. If they promise not to log
> traffic, then responding to anyone withthe information would too easily
> give lie to their promise. 

Some good points, cut out the ones I agree with.

Likewise, a provider (e.g. E-S) isn't too likely to give IP details to
randoms either; which means that the VPN is somewhat superfluous.
Granted, if the posting host has a history of divulging your IP to
randoms ... maybe choose a different one :)

> Anyway, if anonymity is your requirement, then you have to spend the
> time and effort at first asking who you are protecting yourself from,
> how many resources they have or could want to devote to discovering who
> you are, and how best to protect yourself.

Which, incidentally, is a bit of what the "You don't need a VPN"
gist-article is getting at -- although, as Mike Easter pointed out, the
commentary at the bottom does a better job of tempering the article than
the article itself does.

> If you are just paranoid, then there is no solution at all, since any
> defence can easily be overcome by the "enemy" and so resistance if
> futile. 

They haven't gotten through my tinfoil hat yet!


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#54045

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 10:17 -0600
Message-ID<20190219101706.566e95fc@WizardsTower>
In reply to#54020
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 15:06:57 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

>  back up my facts, and, in fact, in thousands of posts (let Cybe(r)
> Wizard count them), I've _never_ once been wrong on material facts,
> William.(1)

10,000 tutorials
Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>

Each time you sidestep or ignore the disclosing of your lies you show
yourself to be the lying duplicitous idiot that you are, Arlene Holdout.

Here, once again, is a pointer to the biggest lie I know of that you've
so far told:
Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>
You know the one; it's where you said that you've written TEN THOUSAND
tutorials.

Shut me up, Horlew, merely by showing that searchable list.  Hell, just
show the list.  

The instant that you show a viable list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials that
YOU have written I will shut up about it, I guarantee and promise. 

Be a man and 'fess up to being a liar otherwise.

Failing to do either, you are just and only a liar.  ...and not much of
a man, either.

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#54046

FromWildman <best_lay@yahoo.com>
Date2019-02-19 10:32 -0600
Message-ID<E42dnetTv-4IsvHBnZ2dnUU7-bOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#54045
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 10:17:06 -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 15:06:57 -0000 (UTC)
> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> 
>>  back up my facts, and, in fact, in thousands of posts (let Cybe(r)
>> Wizard count them), I've _never_ once been wrong on material facts,
>> William.(1)
> 
> 10,000 tutorials
> Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>
> 
> Each time you sidestep or ignore the disclosing of your lies you show
> yourself to be the lying duplicitous idiot that you are, Arlene Holdout.
> 
> Here, once again, is a pointer to the biggest lie I know of that you've
> so far told:
> Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>
> You know the one; it's where you said that you've written TEN THOUSAND
> tutorials.
> 
> Shut me up, Horlew, merely by showing that searchable list.  Hell, just
> show the list.  
> 
> The instant that you show a viable list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials that
> YOU have written I will shut up about it, I guarantee and promise. 
> 
> Be a man and 'fess up to being a liar otherwise.
> 
> Failing to do either, you are just and only a liar.  ...and not much of
> a man, either.

I think he is a politician.  He lacks the ability to give a
direct answer to a direct question.  Ask a simple question
and he will write an essay of 100 lines or more of nothing
but bull feces without comming anywhere near answering the
question.  Yep, a politician.

-- 
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
The cow died so I don't need your bull!

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#53983

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-19 00:43 +0000
Message-ID<q4fjg7$2u3$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53975
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 15:55:32 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

> You are saying, "I prefer to connect to mixmin using VPN."  I am saying 
> "I don't yet understand why you prefer to do that."

Hi Mike,

I know that normally, you are a civil adult and not generally an idiot.
You're normally helpful, and you don't normally make baseless claims.

But ... 

There are "some topics" that you become an "instant keyword troll" on.
I know this because this isn't my first rodeo with you, Mike. 

Particularly on VPN.
(Remember, I've been asking VPN questions for _years_ Mike.)

ASIDE: I was going to make a guess as to how many years, but then I
realized a hundred posts from Cybe(r) Wizard would ensue for me to _prove_
it's exactly that many years.

Remember Marek?
o He became a keyword troll once too.

I asked a question about "Opera VPN" (which is really a proxy, as you
know). Well Marek went keyword-troll ballistic on me. Obviously this is
years ago, but I remember that Marek wasn't normally a keyword troll like
you are with VPN. 

Yet, Marek went ballistic. 
o Later, he apologized in that thread, and he even HELPED me figure out HOW
to wipe out the fingerprint that Opera puts into EVERY VPN sesson!

So Marek acted like an ADULT.
o He didn't apologize, per se, which is fine, as I'm an adult too.
o I don't need an apology.

All I asked in that thread was how to defeat the fingerprinting of the
Opera VPN, and, Marek, bless his heart, FOUND the answer. 

I'm using that answer EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY LIFE SINCE THAT DAY!

My point to you, Mike Easter, is that you have a problem just like an
alcoholic has a problem. It's the same "instinctive" problem that a cat has
who follows a laser beam off a cliff, Mike.

You don't think when you see the words VPN.

Think about the veracity of what I'm explaining to you Mike.

Do you remember how this whole charade started, Mike?
I do.

1. On the Android ng _this_ question was asked:
o  What are the most popular and safe VPN apps? 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/cWh9F_2Njck>

2. I _helpfully_ tried to answer that question, and, in doing so, I did
some research that I respectfully and helpfully posted here, Mike:
o  How to get up & running on a free public vpn service in minutes on Android or iOS 
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc>

3. Then you posted _this_, Mike:
o Don't use VPN services.
 <https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29>

4. To which I responded with _this_ detailed summary, did I not Mike?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc/oAPYdk4QEgAJ>

From there, you brought that thread to sheer hell, Mike.
o You made false (do you still beat your wife) like accusations
o You made ignorant claims about privacy needs
o You even made veiled accusations of nefarious intent, Mike.

I called you each accusation, all of which failed the simple 3-word
ignorance test which is a standard test of complete & utter bullshit, Mike:
o Name just one

Yet, there was absolutely no talking sense into you.
o You proved, beyond any doubt, that you're an inveterate keyword troll

The keyword "VPN" is like a laser beam to a cat.
o Your instincts kick in where you POUNCE on anything said about VPN

I could have asked how to "spell" VPN for Christs' sake Mike,
o And your response would have been (and always is) EXACTLY the same!

From there, you went deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper 
into bullshit, Mike. All because you have this keyword troll problem with
the keyword "VPN", Mike.

It's not MY problem, Mike.
o I'm not the one who is confused, Mike.

It's YOUR problem, Mike.
o You went off the cliff, so to speak, with increasingly baseless claims.

To put a STOP to your increasingly baseless claims, I came here to open
THIS post, Mike, where it's transparently clear I ASSUMED the answer is
"no", Mike:

Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?

Guess what?
o This thread _should_ have been something like a few posts, right?

Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?
A: No

But this thread, due purely to keyword trolls, turned into a morass.

And guess what the final answer was, after that horrific morass?
Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?
A: no

Do you even comprehend that the keyword trolls did it, Mike?
o I was never once confused as to what the most likely answer was, Mike.

My entire point, to you specifically, Mike, was this 3-word test:
Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?
A: *Name just one.*

While I've been accused by Carlos, you, and even Frank Slootweg (of all
people), of "being confused", I was never once confused about the answer to
the question, Mike.

The entire POINT of ASKING the question was the answer was likely "0"!

For you and Carlos and, of all people, Frank, to accuse me of "being
confused", simply reeks of the fact that I'm the only one here NOT
confused.

And yet, the question was patently simple.

Do you know why you _still_ don't seem to comprehend the question, Mike?
 I do.

You're instinctively a "VPN" keyword troll.
o It doesn't matter WHAT question is asked.

If the word "VPN" is in the question, you respond the same
o Year after year, thread after thread, post after post.

You're a keyword troll, Mike.
o I'm very sorry that I have to be the one to break the truth to you, Mike.

Here's what I suggest moving forward because an APOLOGY from you, I
realize, is most likely out of the question.

Moving forward, Mike, all I ask of you is this simple request.
SIMPLE REQUEST OF MIKE:
o If you see the word "VPN" in a future post, please _read_ the post, Mike.
o Please read the post, Mike, and try to _comprehend_ what it asks, Mike.

Please do not respond to a simple purposefully helpful post like this:
o  How to get up & running on a free public vpn service in minutes on Android or iOS 
With scores of idiotic baseless claims, none of which pass the simple
3-word ignorance test of "name just one", Mike.

Please Mike?
o Please _read_ & _comprehend_ any thread that uses the keyword "VPN", Mike.
o BEFORE you respond, Mike.

Deal?

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#53984

FromMike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 16:48 -0800
Message-ID<gd122tFu5lrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53983
arlen holder wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
> 
>> You are saying, "I prefer to connect to mixmin using VPN."  I am saying
>> "I don't yet understand why you prefer to do that."
> 
> Hi Mike,

I ask a simple question and all you do is put up a word wall.

After Hi Mike follows 160 lines and over a thousand words and no answer 
to the simple question.


-- 
Mike Easter

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#53986

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-19 00:54 +0000
Message-ID<q4fk4i$40o$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53984
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 16:48:28 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

> After Hi Mike follows 160 lines and over a thousand words and no answer 
> to the simple question.

Hi Mike,

1. You're a keyword troll who responses only to the keyword VPN, 
much like an alcoholic or racist responds only to certain keywords.

2. The question is, and was always _this_ utterly trivially simple:

Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?
A: no

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#54035

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 09:50 -0600
Message-ID<20190219095049.60b61978@WizardsTower>
In reply to#53983
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:43:52 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> I was going to make a guess as to how many years, but then I
> realized a hundred posts from Cybe(r) Wizard would ensue for me to
> _prove_ it's exactly that many years.

Nah, wrong yet again.
I only want you to (attempt to) prove your assertion of having written
TEN THOUSAND tutorials as you stated you had done here:
Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>

Thanks, though, for invoking my nym and allowing me, once again, to
inform people as to your lying and duplicity.

It's great for me when you do that, buddy!  What would I do without
your constant and regular help?
-- 
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#54036

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 09:52 -0600
Message-ID<20190219095237.56332728@WizardsTower>
In reply to#53983
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:43:52 -0000 (UTC)
arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> I'm an adult too.

HAHAHA, ha haha ha HAHAHA, ha haha ha hahaha ha haha ha hahaha.
ha HAHAHA, ha haha ha hahaha ha haha ha hahahaHAHAHA!

Oh, that was GOOD, tell another one.

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#54030

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 09:25 -0600
Message-ID<20190219092554.6da486cf@WizardsTower>
In reply to#53975
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 15:55:32 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Further, you are not a civil discussant; you insult, belittle and act
> rudely with ad hominem slurs.  Those behavioral traits reflect badly
> on you, not me, so you are the unfortunate and pitiable one for doing
> so.

+1

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#53981

FromDan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date2019-02-19 00:27 +0000
Message-ID<slrnq6mjcc.idk.dan@djph.net>
In reply to#53947
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arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 10:18:00 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> I'm not exactly sure what arlen and I are arguing about except that I 
>> don't understand why he feels he needs to connect to his nntp provider 
>> by VPN.  I have never advocated doing that with a proxy either.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> As you know, I "mirror" the implied intent of the post, where I infer this
> question was made by you in good faith.
>
> I _understand_ (I think) why you are so confused about the use of VPN.
>
> You have a zillion pre-conceived notions, Mike, about VPN.

So I pulled up the earliest post I could find, namely

  MID - <q4cfr6$e8h$1@news.mixmin.net>

The message being posted to a.o.l. on Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:23:03 -0000
(UTC) by our good friend arlen. 

It asks the question 
  Q: Does a free proxy even exist to post using free nntp news servers?

(Answer -> a resounding "no".)

Weird thing is that it links to a GoogleGroups posting about VPNs -
which is honestly a completely different topic. It continues on to say
that Mike Easter has a differing opinion on the topic of VPNs. 

In reading the linked "proof" of Mike's dissent (MID
<gctnkhF7fitU1@mid.individual.net>, posted on Sun, 17 Feb 2019 10:31:45
- -0800, to comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.freeware, alt.cellular,
misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.ipad); Mike simply states:

  | The vast majority of people do not need a VPN service and shouldn't be
  | using one.
  | There is a lot more popular interest in VPN than there should be.
  |
  | Here's an article with a 'contrary' POV.
  | https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29  Don't use VPN
  | services.

(above copy/pasted, so editing errors are likely mine).


In further (quick) perusal of said GG thread, it would seem that Mike
continues to have measured and accurate responses concerning the use of
Virtual Private Networks and their actual role in networking (read: that
using them as a glorified proxy is not necessarily of benefit to the
user.)



> Hence, even though I must have explained my use model a hundred time
> (DISCLAIMER: The ignorant numbertrolls like Dan Purgert, Rene Lamantagne,
> Wolf K, and especially Cybe(R) Wizard are gonna ask me to _prove_ I posted
> it 100 times!). you still hold on to YOUR confusion about what VPN does.

I don't see a single post in said linked GG thread wherein you actually
explain your use model.  But that's par for course when you start
attacking people, arlen.

Given the context in this thread (either this post, or elsewhere), I
*imagine* that you think there's some kind of "extra privacy loss(tm)"
caused by the one-way(?) hashes used by mixmin or other services, and
that you somehow need to protect yourself from nefarious admins (or ...
maybe some lucky user who cracks said hash).

The funny thing is, given that you apparently have a WISP, rather than a
more "traditional" landline based ISP, such as Ma Bell, one of the CLECs
or cable companies, chances are moderately good that you're actually
behind CGNAT and sharing your "public IP" with up to 200 of your fellow
WISP-customers.  So, even if someone broke the hash, they'd only get as
far as the WISP.


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|_|O|_| 
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5  4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281

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#53985

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-19 00:49 +0000
Message-ID<q4fjrn$3jr$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53981
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 00:27:56 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

> The funny thing is, given that you apparently have a WISP, rather than a
> more "traditional" landline based ISP, such as Ma Bell, one of the CLECs
> or cable companies, chances are moderately good that you're actually
> behind CGNAT and sharing your "public IP" with up to 200 of your fellow
> WISP-customers.  So, even if someone broke the hash, they'd only get as
> far as the WISP.

Troll.

Wrong, As always.

Idiot.

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#54011

From"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date2019-02-19 08:58 -0600
Message-ID<20190219085809.4450750e@WizardsTower>
In reply to#53947

<sigh>  I was SO happily leaving you alone, Alroon Hooter.  Then you
just had to go and shit in your own milk by invoking my nym.

I guess you like the taste.   Soooo:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:22:14 -0000 (UTC) arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
wrote:

> Hence, even though I must have explained my use model a hundred time
> (DISCLAIMER: The ignorant numbertrolls like Dan Purgert, Rene
> Lamantagne, Wolf K, and especially Cybe(R) Wizard are gonna ask me to
> _prove_ I posted it 100 times!).

Get your facts right for a change, sweetie babe.  I only and ever have
asked for you to post the list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials you claimed to
have written here:
Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>

Each time you sidestep or ignore the disclosing of your lies you show
yourself to be the lying duplicitous idiot that you are, Arlene Holdout.

You also propagate this message to a wider audience.

Here, once again, is a pointer to the biggest lie I know of that you've
so far told:
Message-ID: <po4626$vpu$1@news.mixmin.net>
You know the one; it's where you said that you've written TEN THOUSAND
tutorials.

Shut me up, Horlew, merely by showing that searchable list.  Hell, just
show the list.  

The instant that you show a viable list of TEN THOUSAND tutorials that
YOU have written I will shut up about it, I guarantee and promise. 

Until that day more and more people will know you to be the liar you
are.

Be a man and 'fess up to being a liar otherwise.

Failing to do either, you are just and only a liar.  ...and not much of
a man, either.

I sincerely hope this helps  ...someone.  Have a nice day.  Oh, and
FOAD, would you, please?

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#53903

FromPaul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 05:31 -0500
Message-ID<q4e1gu$nsp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#53901
Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 18/02/2019 00.15, arlen holder wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 14:29:54 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>>> I have no interest in that question and I'm under no obligation to even 
>>> consider it worth discussing.
>> The question is actually very simple & rather easy to comprehend Mike.
>>
>> Knowledgeable users who know the answer can add to our knowledge.
> 
> I hate your mania of saying that phrase.
> 
>> Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts?
>>
> 
> I don't have the foggiest idea what an nntp proxy would be in your
> context, what would it be useful for.
> 
> An nntp proxy would just be an nntp server that forwards to another nntp
> server - which by definition converts it into another nntp server, not a
> proxy. It would not necessarily anonymize the user.
> 
> 
> There is an nntp proxy, I use one - but it sits in my very own computer.
> It is called leafnode - seek it up in the wikipedia. It is not used for
> anonymity: its original creation purpose was for use with dial up modems.
> 
> A user would connect the modem and fire up the "fetch news cycle":
> leafnode collects all new messages on the groups it follows (not all
> groups). Then the modem would disconnect. The user or users would read
> the posts, write answers using any normal nntp client software, which
> for all purposes would think they were connected to a normal nntp server
> on Internet.  Finally, the machine would fire up the modem and send all
> pending nntp posts in a few seconds of connection.
> 
> This would happen daily, hourly, or any period the admin would define
> with cron.  This was/is on Linux, maybe there were other tools for Windows.
> 
> The current advantage now that dial up modems are not used is that the
> clients read posts much faster. It also allows automatic connection to
> several upstream nntp servers: if one doesn't work, it goes to another.
> 
> I can also search for a text on a group or bunch of groups, because the
> "server" is in my machine and I have access to its files.

There aren't that many "account-free" newsservers.

AIOE is one.

The only reason you'd feel some advantage from
"hiding your address", would be for the purposes of
defeating Paolo's address filters. Which are his only
defense on an account-free server.

USENET is chaos, a peer-level network with simple transfer
protocol between nodes. A new entrant to USENET, contacts
administrators on the various servers to obtain "feeds". This
allows messages with World distribution, to be offered to
other nodes. It can take anywhere from seconds to 24 hours
for a message to reach some other server (depending on how
many hops it took).

A well-connected server might have 70 other feeds connected to it.

The message ID on each message, manages transfers, in that
if I offer you "message 1234" and you already have it, you
deny needing it.

OK, so what other properties does it have. Well, in effect,
there's a "Cabal". If you do something bad enough, your
account can be cut off. OK, well, what about a server administrator?
Yes, they make "evil" ones of those too. And the cabal can
communicate via email with one another, and arrange to "isolate"
a bad server. However, all it takes is one administrator to
offer an asshole a lifeline, to keep him connected.

Good administrators are aware of the need for being responsive
on abuse reports. For example, the AIOE admin wants to keep
his 70 feeds. He gets a bad name, every time one of his customers
has a freakout. I would think the general opinion was, it
wouldn't take much for the rest of the community to pull
the plug on him (they know he doesn't use Accounts to
ride herd on his users).

OK, now let's fit a proxy into the picture. The cloud side
of the proxy connects to a server using an account. Let's
say the proxy starts pumping abuse into its hosting server.
The server admin yanks the proxy account and the proxy is
dead in the water.

Lets say the proxy works with feeds. If word gets around
(as it likely would), about some "cowboy device" that was
making a nuisance of itself, the feeds would get yanked.
Especially if the feeds had just been set up, and the
operator of the proxy "was on probation". Some new admins
will inevitably be clueless (or appear so), and probation
means figuring out whether the server you granted
access, is an asshat or just a dumbo.

OK, so we got this great idea for a "proxy", whatever that
is. It's not leafnode, because leafnode uses a regular
account on the server it connects to. If "abuse" was coming
up the pipe from leafnode, that user would just get cut
off like that (account TOSsed).

There have been other devices, but at least some of them
have disappeared. There were some web to NNTP gateways
("leeches") that were invented. There's still a couple
of those running (the other ones must be well underwater,
as they no longer show up in google searches). The people
running the leech sites, had to add extra protection to
the Compose window, because some of their users were injecting
"signature spam", like using a four line .sig with Chinese
counterfeit shoe advert URLs. When that got shot down (message
dumped if .sig spam present), that cut down a lot on
the nuisance "+1" spam coming from them.

Basically, for every distortion, there is a response.

When there was a severe problem with a flood, it took
at least three months, maybe more, to fix it. Someone
set up a cancelbot, as part of the defense mechanism.
That required some amount of cooperation from Cabal
members. (Maybe even the assholes helped out.) As time
passes, and administrator interest in day to day ops wanes,
it's harder to get that kind of effort from the community.
But rest assured, it's like evolution. Fuck with it,
and be cast out. Think of it as being a kind of immune
system built out of software. You can't wall off every
pest, but you can certainly try.

The highest level of alert, is the UDP. And amazingly,
there's an article for the term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty

And I'm not going to weaponize the OP by providing
any more "stories". The above are the basic mechanisms.
There was one other little incident about helping
someone, where blowback occurred. So enough said.

Where ever this hypothetical proxy is connected,
there will be trouble. The killer T-cells have
been dispatched.

    Paul

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#53907

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
Message-ID<q4eib1$7o0$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53903
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 05:31:00 -0500, Paul wrote:

> There aren't that many "account-free" newsservers. 
> AIOE is one.

Hi Paul, 

I know you to be always purposefully helpful so I will "correct" you firmly
by saying outright that there are _plenty_ of registration free nntp news
servers which allow either read and/or write privileges, sans any
registration.
o But that's not the topic of this thread. :)

HINT: Mixmin, Netfront, Mozzilla, Dizum, Aioe, Blueworld, News4All,
Albasani, Sunsite, XSUsenet, etc. (that's just offhand, from memory).

I've spoken with _most_ of those server's admins over the years, Paul.
All those servers allow (or allowed, as some went defunct) either read
only, or read and write registration-free access to their nntp servers.

You just need to know the settings.
o But again, that's _not_ the topic of this thread.

The reason I want to stick to the topic is that I think this thread will be
a total and complete waste of time becuase there probably isn't ANY answer
ot the question.

That means EVERY answer is a waste of time for the purpose of garnering an
ACTIONABLE answer to this very simple question.

The question came up because Mike advised to use a proxy instead of using a
VPN to change the IP address - which is a suggestion that I would LOVE to
use, but it requires the answer to this very very simple question, Paul:

*Q: Is there a free proxy that works with the free nntp servers?*

> The only reason you'd feel some advantage from
> "hiding your address", would be for the purposes of
> defeating Paolo's address filters. Which are his only
> defense on an account-free server.

I call bullshit on that statement Paul.
I already provided Mike with plenty of cites proving that's bullshit Paul.

Paul, 
I'm going to be very blunt with you, since you made a claim out of sheer
and total ignorance.

First off, you were clearly WRONG on the number of servers.
That's OK. I don't EXPECT you to know what I know about NNTP servers.

However. ... then you went Dunning-Kruger on us Paul.
o Mike Easter did the same thing, Paul.

What's odd is that usually both of you guys are not normally DK.

You, Paul, _assume_ (completely out of ignorance) that the main server is
aioe, where, clearly, it's not.

The reason for privacy has NOTHING to do with Paolo Amoroso's crazy filters
(his filters are, in reality, very strange - but who cares? Not me.)

For example, Steve Crook doesn't use those crazy filters. 
Wolfgang Weyland uses _different_ filters, Paul.
Steen Jensen doesn't seem to filter _anything_, Paul.
Neither does Roman Racine, as far as I know, Paul.
Daniel & Monika Weber & Benjamin Gufler filter _some_ things, Paul.
So does Alex de Joode, Paul.
Jesse Rehmer used to filter a _lot_ of things, Paul.

But filtering is a complete red herring here Paul.
o I'm seeking a general purpose solution that works for EVERYONE, Paul.

Your statements were _clearly_ made completely out of ignorance.

It's completely out of ignorance that ANYONE could defend a point of view
that anyone has to PROVE why they want privacy. 

Do you want me to prove it Paul?
o I already provided Mike with a half dozen reputable cites. Paul.

It's just plain IGNORANT to claim that nobody has a right to privacy, Paul.
o And I don't have to DEFEND my right to privacy, Paul.

If you want to claim I have no right to privacy, Paul, 
o Then I will respond that your claim is made out of sheer ignorance, Paul.

I realize I'm being VERY BLUNT with you Paul, but that's because you made
two successive completely ignorant statements.

I know you're a smart guy Paul.
I know you're a helpful guy Paul.

But you made two successively ignorant statements, Paul.

> OK, so what other properties does it have. Well, in effect,
> there's a "Cabal". If you do something bad enough, your
> account can be cut off. OK, well, what about a server administrator?
> Yes, they make "evil" ones of those too. And the cabal can
> communicate via email with one another, and arrange to "isolate"
> a bad server. However, all it takes is one administrator to
> offer an asshole a lifeline, to keep him connected.

Jesus Christ Paul.

We _all_ know EVERYTHING that you're stating Paul.
o Almost none of us are new to this rodeo of Usenet, Paul.

Do you know the answer to the question, or not, Paul?
o The question is a general purpose question, Paul.

Q:  What is a free proxy that will work with free NNTP servers?

-- 
Please do NOT respond if you have no clue as to the answer to the question.
The question came up because Mike suggested using a proxy, where my
response is that I'd LOVE to use a proxy - if it exists. Does it exist?

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#53923

FromMike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Date2019-02-18 09:13 -0800
Message-ID<gd07edFof8vU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53907
arlen holder wrote:
> The question came up because Mike advised to use a proxy instead of using a
> VPN to change the IP address -

That (Mike advised) s not correct.  That is how YOU interpreted part of 
an article advising caution on VPN usage which I linked.

https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29

-- 
Mike Easter

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#53956

Fromarlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date2019-02-18 22:43 +0000
Message-ID<q4fcf0$mr3$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to#53923
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:13:49 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

> That (Mike advised) s not correct.  That is how YOU interpreted part of 
> an article advising caution on VPN usage which I linked.

Mike,

I can only ask you the simple 3-word test of prove your statements, Mike.

Find a _single_ statement from me backing up your unsupported claim that I
misunderstood ANYTHING in that article, Mike.
o Name just one.

Remember, I SUMMARIZED the ENTIRE article for you yesterday, Mike.
o And you didn't claim that I got a _single_ thing wrong then, Mike.

It's only now, when I came down hard on your for ignorant statements 
you keep making, Mike, that you now claim I misunderstood the article.

That's like telling me that I beat my wife, Mike.
o Your claim is wholly and completely unsupported by facts, Mike.

EVERY ONE OF YOUR CLAIMS HAS BEEN COMPLETELY UNSUPPORTED BY FACT:

Here's the simple test, Mike:
o Name just one

That is, name just one statement in my summary of that article, Mike, 
that is a "misunderstanding" of that article, Mike?
o Name just one.

Here is the cite to the summary, Mike:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc/oAPYdk4QEgAJ>

You see Mike, I'm not afraid of the "name just one" test, Mike.
o You have FAILED this "name just one" test a few times already, Mike.

Find a misunderstanding in that summary of the article Mike.
o Name just one.

Mike - stop acting like a child.
o It's clear to me WHY you are so confused Mike.

Very clear.
o Allow me ot use the example of a black female MD, Mike.

YOUR BRAIN is what's confused about the black female MD (example), Mike.
o It's not me who is confused Mike ... it's YOU who is confused.

Until you shake YOURSELF of the black-female-MD inbred instinct, 
YOU Mike, will ALWAYS be confused about almost ANY VPN use model.

The reason YOU are confused Mike, is you harbor instinctively incorrect
ideas about VPN use models, Mike.

Explaining my trivially simple VPN use model to you, Mike, and hence, why
the recommendation to "use a proxy" instead of VPN for my use model is like
explaining to you that Black Female Doctors actually exist is what's going
on here, Mike.

YOU say I'm confused - but I haven't changed my logic and facts once, Mike.
o Meanwhile you're flailing and making incorrect statements left & right.

The problem Mike, is clear.
o You harbor instinctive ideas of a use model that is akin to harboring
instinctive ideas about black female doctors.

You're the one confused Mike. 
o Not me.

Until YOU wipe out your innate inbred instinctive bias, Mike, 
you'll _never_ comprehend even the _simplest_ of the simplest of use models
that involve VPN. 

I realize this is a hard pill for you to swallow, so I apologize for having
to be the one that has to tell you the blunt factual truth. I'm sorry.

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#53958

FromRene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
Date2019-02-18 16:50 -0600
Message-ID<gd0r59Fson3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53956
On 02/18/2019 4:43 PM, arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:13:49 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
> 
>> That 

Snip a huge load of Shit For Brains crap.

I see it's still here.

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