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| Started by | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| First post | 2019-02-17 20:23 +0000 |
| Last post | 2019-02-19 13:22 -0800 |
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What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 20:23 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-17 12:46 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 21:44 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-17 14:29 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-17 23:15 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 10:49 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 02:21 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 12:13 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:30 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:33 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:14 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 00:33 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:41 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:22 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:00 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:06 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:39 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 08:41 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:32 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-18 21:38 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:30 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:18 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:18 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:31 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:28 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:55 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 10:18 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 21:24 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 23:47 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:26 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 00:35 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:40 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:21 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-19 21:33 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:21 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 15:55 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:15 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 00:36 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 03:24 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:07 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 01:39 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 01:51 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 03:25 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 02:36 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 16:00 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:25 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 18:28 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 19:05 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 11:52 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 21:13 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 21:33 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 13:43 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 22:00 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 22:20 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 22:55 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 22:10 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 14:24 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 23:04 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 17:20 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-19 15:23 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 23:25 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 13:23 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 09:15 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 18:41 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 22:59 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 22:11 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 15:39 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 23:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 13:42 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 12:57 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-20 14:51 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 21:49 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 12:51 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:17 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-19 10:32 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:43 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 16:48 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:54 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:50 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:52 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:25 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 00:27 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:49 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 08:58 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-18 05:31 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 09:13 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:43 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 16:50 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:31 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:10 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-18 12:24 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 22:52 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 17:02 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:31 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:08 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:01 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:56 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 15:38 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 09:59 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:32 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:38 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? shemp14@outlook.com - 2019-02-18 17:01 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 11:15 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 12:05 -0700
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-18 14:15 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-18 21:44 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 16:47 -0700
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:05 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:56 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 06:03 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-20 10:56 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-20 19:20 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:09 -0800
PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-21 15:30 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-21 09:50 -0600
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-21 07:52 -0800
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-21 16:52 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-21 09:12 -0800
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-21 19:34 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-22 13:31 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-21 17:32 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-21 19:23 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-21 18:20 +0000
PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-21 16:52 +0000
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Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-21 19:03 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-21 20:15 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-21 20:53 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-21 21:28 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-21 18:37 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-21 20:07 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-21 20:38 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-21 15:19 -0600
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 21:34 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-02-22 01:14 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-25 01:53 +0000
Re: PRIVACY Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-22 04:20 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 19:17 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-19 01:12 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:18 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:32 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:37 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:19 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-18 20:44 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-18 13:41 -0700
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:10 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:40 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:58 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:52 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-19 12:16 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 21:16 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-20 05:51 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-18 19:18 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:12 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-18 21:33 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 21:50 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-19 11:26 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 11:00 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-19 15:46 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 23:05 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-20 23:53 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-21 06:02 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:03 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-21 00:15 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2019-02-19 08:49 -0700
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2019-02-19 10:01 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-19 16:45 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:05 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 20:59 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 22:36 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-22 18:29 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-22 20:03 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-22 15:42 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:01 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-19 09:06 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:06 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-02-19 11:12 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 15:07 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 10:15 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-19 12:21 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 12:07 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2019-02-20 10:52 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-20 23:07 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-20 17:17 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-20 23:16 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 15:38 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 00:11 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:23 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 16:31 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 08:54 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com> - 2019-02-23 08:32 +1100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-22 13:52 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com> - 2019-02-23 10:33 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-23 16:39 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-02-21 08:54 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 01:29 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-20 17:02 -0800
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-02-20 19:36 -0700
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 12:17 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2019-02-21 10:32 -0700
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-21 20:45 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-21 22:42 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-21 16:52 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-22 20:05 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-22 16:36 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-02-23 14:15 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-23 08:31 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 14:16 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:28 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-18 16:40 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:45 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-18 10:10 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 16:28 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? georg.schwarz@freenet.de (Georg Schwarz) - 2019-02-18 22:35 +0100
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 00:10 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-19 09:42 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-18 23:55 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-02-18 18:04 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-02-19 01:14 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? bje@ripco.com - 2019-02-19 11:40 +0000
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Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-19 19:43 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-02-19 15:42 -0600
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-19 19:02 -0500
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? anonymous <a@a.invalid> - 2019-02-20 00:22 +0000
Re: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-02-20 00:24 +0000
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-02-19 08:41 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <20190219084118.2881b09a@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #53930 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 18:39:36 -0000 (UTC) William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote: > it is not at all clear what the purpose would be, except maybe to > hide that some one of a variety fo aliases is actually you-- ie to > spam the newsgroups. On the nose! -- Cybe R. Wizard My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 20:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <irdrjf-cpt.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #53908 |
On 18/02/2019 16.17, arlen holder wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:13:40 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> For hiding the IP the only recourse I'd see is some sort of VPN > > Hi Carlos, > To clarify... > > All I'm asking is for a free proxy that I can connect to first. > o And then I can connect to a free nntp server second. > > I believe those are two completely separate actions, are they not? > > I do that today, using VPN as a "glorified proxy". > o My intent is simply to change the NNTP posting host to an arbitrary IP. > > All this thread asks is whether a "proxy" exists that works like this: > 1. Connect to the proxy (to obtain an arbitary IP address) > 2. Pull down Usenet messages (& disconnect from that proxy perhaps) > 3. Respond to the Usenet messages offline (which is what I do today) > 4. Reconnect to the proxy to SEND those messages. > > I do that today using VPN. > o I don't need the encryption of VPN > o I just need the random IP address of VPN Then keep using VPN. AFAIK the word "proxy" is used for "web proxy" only, and in that protocol you don't write and send things. Consider mail. There is no such thing as an anonymizer mail proxy, the headers always trace to you. There are anonymizer mail servers. Different thing. Consider mail spammers. They can create fake delivery headers, but the moment the mail hits a good server the headers are true and point back to the true injection node. Well, it is the same with nntp. You can only use something that changes the IP of your machine or a service/application on that machine. That is a full VPN or a tunnel. > > Mike had posted an article that advised using a proxy instead of a VPN. > o I have _nothing_ against that advice. Maybe he meant a web proxy for posting on usenet via web server. > > Does that proxy exist? > o That is the question. > > I'm always seeking a better general purpose solution, Carlos. > o Hence I ask this extremely simple question (which may have no answer). > > Q: *Is there a free proxy that will work with the free Usenet servers?* Paul already explained why not. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 21:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4fc3v.9tc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #53933 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 18/02/2019 16.17, arlen holder wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:13:40 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > > >> For hiding the IP the only recourse I'd see is some sort of VPN > > > > Hi Carlos, > > To clarify... > > > > All I'm asking is for a free proxy that I can connect to first. > > o And then I can connect to a free nntp server second. > > > > I believe those are two completely separate actions, are they not? > > > > I do that today, using VPN as a "glorified proxy". > > o My intent is simply to change the NNTP posting host to an arbitrary IP. > > > > All this thread asks is whether a "proxy" exists that works like this: > > 1. Connect to the proxy (to obtain an arbitary IP address) > > 2. Pull down Usenet messages (& disconnect from that proxy perhaps) > > 3. Respond to the Usenet messages offline (which is what I do today) > > 4. Reconnect to the proxy to SEND those messages. > > > > I do that today using VPN. > > o I don't need the encryption of VPN > > o I just need the random IP address of VPN > > Then keep using VPN. > > AFAIK the word "proxy" is used for "web proxy" only, and in that > protocol you don't write and send things. A proxy can be used for all kinds of services/protocols, including NNTP. But an NNTP proxy isn't what arlen thinks it is. It is what you described, i.e. things like Leafnode, Hamster, but also general NNTP caching servers, etc.. If arlen would Google 'NNTP proxy', he would see what it is and isn't. For some general information about the different kinds of proxies: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server> > Consider mail. There is no such thing as an anonymizer mail proxy, the > headers always trace to you. There are anonymizer mail servers. > Different thing. > > Consider mail spammers. They can create fake delivery headers, but the > moment the mail hits a good server the headers are true and point back > to the true injection node. > > Well, it is the same with nntp. > > You can only use something that changes the IP of your machine or a > service/application on that machine. That is a full VPN or a tunnel. Exactly. What he wants is an anonymizer, which anonymizes his IP address. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymizer> Finding a trustworthy VPN service is probably easier - FSVSVO 'easy' - than finding a trustworthy IP-anonymizer service (if such an animal exists at all). [...]
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| From | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4fb6k$kpo$2@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #53941 |
On 18 Feb 2019 21:38:18 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > If arlen would Google 'NNTP proxy', he would see what it is and isn't. Hi Frank, The question is so freaking simple that I have to ask you if YOU understand the question. Let me copy the subject line for you Frank...first: Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? They're TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, Frank. 1. Proxy. 2. Usenet. What makes YOU think they're one thing, Frank?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 23:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <09orjf-i8t.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #53946 |
On 18/02/2019 23.22, arlen holder wrote: > On 18 Feb 2019 21:38:18 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > >> If arlen would Google 'NNTP proxy', he would see what it is and isn't. > > Hi Frank, > > The question is so freaking simple that I have to ask you if YOU understand > the question. > > Let me copy the subject line for you Frank...first: > Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? > > They're TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, Frank. > 1. Proxy. > 2. Usenet. > > What makes YOU think they're one thing, Frank? We have already answered, but you don't like it and accuse people of being trolls or whatever. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 23:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4feft$qdt$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #53952 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:30:24 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > We have already answered, but you don't like it and accuse people of > being trolls or whatever. Hi Carlos, Please act like an adult, Carlos. o Do not ascribe YOUR confusion to me, Carlos. I knew, at the time I originally asked the question, that it's LIKELY non existent; but, I had to ask since Mike brought up the proxy use model. Every time Mike or Dan or William or Frank or you spews your ignorant bullshit, I _remind_ you of the topic of this thread. The fact I remind you of the topic of the thread when you spew ignorant bullshit, is NOT indicative that I "dismiss" the answer. Remember, I was almost positive at the start that the proxy doesn't exist. So please, Carlos, stop spewing ignorant bullshit. o It's YOU who misunderstand; not me. *I am simply REMINDING the ignorant posters of the TOPIC of this thread.* Bear in mind, this thread _should_ have had only one post, because the answer is that there are 0 proxies that do what Mike's article suggested. Zero. Hence EVERY post in this thread greater than 1 was a waste of all our time. If the keyword trolls didn't exist, this thread would have only 1 post.
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-02-19 09:18 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <20190219091824.522a5ad9@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #53963 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:18:21 -0000 (UTC) arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote: > EVERY post in this thread greater than 1 was a waste of all our time. Probably. 106 posts so far (not counting whatever has come in since I last updated my news) and 45 are yours. I'd say it's likely that somewhere around 40-45% of these posts to thread are useless and a GREAT waste of time, for sure. -- Cybe R. Wizard My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS
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| From | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4fb6d$28u$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #53933 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 20:32:34 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > Maybe he meant a web proxy for posting on usenet via web server. Mike said a _lot_ of ignorant bullshit, Carlos. o But, Mike has cleaned up his act, and hence, it's water under the bridge. Mike's _last_ post showed that he's back to posting adult content. o Hence, I'm back to treating Mike like an adult. To take his place, the ignorant trolls flocked to this thread. o Ignorant trolls _always_ flock to keyword thread. And there is no better keyword for keyword trolls than V-P-N! o It's like a ball rolling on the floor in front of a cat They _always_ pounce on it with their _instinctive_ spiel! For example, like a cat that instinctively pounces on a laser beam, William Unruh just keyword trolled into essentially claiming that anyone who wants privacy is doing so for nefarious purposes. The entire post of William Unruh (yet again), proved he's ignorant o This isn't the 1st time William Unruh proved he's fantastically ignorant. What's surprising is he has a PhD (in the sciences no less): o Yet, what he wrote is _clearly_ the output of an utterly ignorant person. Nobody has to defended their simple right to privacy. o If William Unruh thinks that privacy is only for nefarious purposes.... Let's see William Unruh make an ADULT claim backed up with facts. o HINT: He can't since William Unruh's argument is, yet again, of a child. Let's see this ignorant William Unruh, prove that, with a factual cite or two. For example, I posted plenty of articles stating I don't need to defend the right to privacy To William Unruh, who has written peer-reviewed papers himself (as have I): o Name just one article that backs up your point, William Unruh. Name just one. This is my simple 3-word test, for ignorance, William Unruh: o Name just one
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| From | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 15:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4eib4$7o0$3@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #53902 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 02:21:28 -0800, Mike Easter wrote: > I believe he is deriving his concept of such a proxy from his > interpretation of an article which he believes suggested that specific > proxies for specific purposes could suit his idea of an alternate to his > purpose of using a VPN to access his nntp provider and thus conceal his > connectivity IP from the nntp admin OR perhaps because he believes that > the encryption of the directly connecting IP is too frail to suit his > idea of security from having his nntp connecting IP decryptable by > others who examine the NPH of the headers. Hi Mike Easter, You are aware of the background, where this is a short summary: 1. I wrote a quickie to help _others_ get up to speed on VPN in minutes 2. Mike posted a helpful article which advised using a proxy instead of vpn 3. I'm simply trying to _find_ a proxy that works. I'm _only_ and _all_ about actionable results, Mike. o You and I both go way back. I've _always_ been about general purpose solutions for everyone. o I'm all about increasing our combined tribal knowledge Mike. I have _nothing_ against proxies - and - in fact - I _love_ the idea. o But if those proxies just don't exist ... the idea sucks, Mike. That's the key question here: o Does a proxy exist that will work for nntp traffic? If yes, I'd _use_ it, as a proxy is all that I really need. If no, then I'm _stuck_ with VPN, since VPN acts as a "glorified proxy". It's really a very simple question that may have no answer. Q: What free proxy works with the various free nntp servers today? > But; it is difficult for me to delineate just what security/privacy > issue he is actually debating. That is, it is unclear to me what he is > concerned about hiding from whom. Hi Mike, I do not debate like you mean it since I'm a man of ACTION, Mike. o I seek general purpose solutions that actually WORK, Mike. I's all well & good that you told me I have no right to privacy, Mike. o But I have NO INTENTION on "debating" that type of bullshit here Mike. Particularly I'm sick of "keyword troll" bullshit, Mike. o And your bullshit that I have absolutely no right to privacy, Mike. (Some users will wonder why I say that - but Mike knows exactly why.) i do not need to defend my right to privacy from keyword trolls, Mike. o You told me, point blank, that I have absolutely no right to privacy, Mike. Either own up to your own words, Mike, or provide some kind of support. o I already explained that I don't have to defend the right to privacy. All you're doing Mike, is continuing your KEYWORD TROLLING from before. o Either answer the question, Mike, or don't bother wasting all our time. I explained to Carlos what a "keyword troll" is, where I'll summarize that if I mention "VPN", in the olden days, the keyword trolls would immediately launch into a pre-prepared spiel on "how to roll your own" and why "rolling your own" is the best way to go. Those people don't even _look_ at the question. o The keyword trolls simply launch into their pre-prepared spiel. That's what you did Mike. > Personally I don't believe that the content of encrypted NPH is a > security risk because I don't believe that it is trivial to crack. Mike, Do you know the answer to the question or not? If you don't know the answer to the question - why are you posting drivel? > > However, if one needed to conceal their connectivity IP from the nntp > admin, that is another matter altogether which has nothing to do with > cracking the encoded NPH or any changing of its algo. Mike, Stop this. Just stop it. I provided _plenty_ of cites to you already that proved that your way of thinking is utterly ignorant - and it's ignorant based on _lots_ of cites that say your way of thinking is common among ignorant people. I asked you for a single cite that backs up your claim. o I told you to "name just one", and you can't find it, Mike. I gave you a half dozen cites that argue I don't have to defend my right to privacy to you Mike, - and yet - you INSIST on arguing that I have absolutely no right to privacy, Mike. You either _comprehend_ the question, or you're a _keyword troll_, Mike. o Which is it? If you comprehend the question, and if you're responding, then: o What is a free proxy that works with all the free NNTP servers of today? > Sometimes it is hard to focus arlen on which matters are agreed upon, > which matters are agreed to disagree, and which matters are important > only to him and not to other discussants. Jesus Christ Mike. The question is freaking SIMPLE Mike! o Really really really freaking simple, Mike. The reason YOU can't comprehend the question is you're a keyword troll. o EVERY single mention of VPN on Usenet garners your same response. You can't even "see" the question. o All you see is the word "vpn", Mike. The moment you see the word "vpn" Mike, you _launch_ into your pre-prepared spiel. You do this EVERY SINGLE TIME you see the word VPN, Mike. You think this is my first rodeo with you Mike? o Generally you're a helpful guy But when it comes to VPN keywords, your brain is like a cat with a mouse. o You can only think of ONE THING Mike, when you see the word "VPN". It doesn't matter if I am asking how to _spell_ VPN, Mike. o The moment you see the VPN keyword, you launch into your pre-prepared spiel. You do it EVERY TIME Mike. The reason you find a trivially simple question hard is that your brain is like a cat who sees a laser beam moving along the carpet. That cat doesn't understand it's a laser beam. o All that cat "sees" is "something moving" - which it POUNCES upon. You're that cat Mike. That's why you can't comprehend this trivially simple question, Mike: o What free proxy exists today that I can test with the free nntp servers?
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 09:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <gd08f3Fon0vU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #53909 |
arlen holder wrote: > 2. Mike posted a helpful article which advised using a proxy instead of vpn That part is inaccurate. arlen misread the article I posted. -- Mike Easter
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| From | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4fb6m$kpo$4@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #53926 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:31:15 -0800, Mike Easter wrote: > That part is inaccurate. > > arlen misread the article I posted. DISCLAIMER: BLUNT FACTS BELOW. Mike, Notice what you just did, Mike. o You just did what children do, Mike. When you posted that article, I _summarized_ it for you. o Remember that Mike? Did you object _then_ to my summary, Mike? o HINT: The answer is no. What happened _next_ Mike? o Did you throw completely ignorant veiled accusations Mike? HINT: The answer is yes. Then what, Mike? o Did you then launch into this "nobody has a right to privacy" tirade, Mike? HINT: Yes. Only now, are you _claiming_ I didn't comprehend the article, simply because YOU didn't comprehend the article. It's not like I'm bringing up NNTP out of the blue, Mike. o NNTP is the _only_ reason I'm using VPN, Mike. And you knew that long before you now make this childish claim otherwise. o The fact is simple, Mike. 1. You, Mike, are a keyword troll. 2. EVERY time the keyword VPN pops up, you respond the SAME Mike. 3. You are instinctive that way, Mike, like a cat pouncing on a laser beam. You just didn't expect someone to COMPREHEND that your claims are complete and utter bullshit Mike. Then you compounded that error by then throwing thinly veiled accusations, Mike. Worse, you double compounded your error by then assessing, essentially, that we have to DEFEND our right to privacy, Mike. Understandably, I came down hard on you Mike, for all three errors. o Take it like an adult Mike. Take it like a man Mike. o Apologize, or back up your ignorant claims. Or, at least *ACT LIKE AN ADULT MOVING FORWARD MIKE* Trust me, this isn't my first rodeo on Usenet - nor with you, Mike: o All your ignorant bullshit is water under the bridge for me, Mike. You're actually one of the more _intelligent_ of the posters here, Mike. o You. Paul. Carlos. Only if you CONTINUE to spew your ignorant bullshit will you hear from me. o And just now, you spewed your ignorant bullshit. The suggestion to use a proxy instead of VPN is _nearly_ worthless Mike. o It's nearly worthless because VPN browsers exist, Mike. o It's nearly worthless because proxies are essentially only web based. But it's completely worthless when use take my clearly stated use model. o FACT + LOGIC, Mike. All I speak is FACT & LOGIC. o If a proxy existed that worked with my Usenet traffic, I'd _test_ it. (Assuming it passed a few basic typical conditions, like being reliable.) Let me ask you a YES OR NO question Mike: o MIKE: Do you think if a proxy easily existed, that I would NOT test it?
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| From | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 22:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4fbj7$ll6$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #53948 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 22:22:15 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder wrote: > The suggestion to use a proxy instead of VPN is _nearly_ worthless Mike. > o It's nearly worthless because VPN browsers exist, Mike. > o It's nearly worthless because proxies are essentially only web based. Quick correction, since the utterly worthless semantic trolls like Dan Purgert exist in spades, on this ng... (people like Dan Purgert know they add no value so they pounce on typos & thinkos like a cat pouncing on a toy moving mouse as if they found something "meaningful" to say). I meant "proxy" browsers (not "VPN browsers"). HINT: Opera "says" it's a VPN browser but it's really a proxy.
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 16:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq6losu.idk.dan@djph.net> |
| In reply to | #53902 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Mike Easter wrote: > [...] > Personally I don't believe that the content of encrypted NPH is a > security risk because I don't believe that it is trivial to crack. I think I missed it -- what do you mean by "NPH" here? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlxq45IACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooEDmgf/UD3boG614PBKxO9t/+ZMCpNark2/gb8TQKmxykgdhv7DwTzjGbl8oUEQ 9eEbE2MAtDEDYv97YtVDOypwiBTElKeXsO1W5yZQL40ScZIdsdX5mQkMDhOqM8VU yRgGxaXpsS9tY/4MaheqBjL6Cka06LWvAyYEZvYXvWYrFN2qZQUmoGlwwwpRkPMd v+RiRB4lb+/Cr59gAXtgYrcGvm72J9qgXi1SN+dIS+QpNg9+UruGX1Ds74lV3YS3 Uz6pWgahiWRFHZCTcXQYJ4WdRHnr6LoUHBraIhINa7cACPihLuDbtVB2CPVTGSiP eClfu8YC54HJN/VE9gYv0/qk/H+RHA== =pPzT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 10:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <gd0b6oFp9svU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #53921 |
Dan Purgert wrote: > > Mike Easter wrote: >> [...] >> Personally I don't believe that the content of encrypted NPH is a >> security risk because I don't believe that it is trivial to crack. > > I think I missed it -- what do you mean by "NPH" here? Sometimes a nntp server is configured to stamp an nntp-posting-host or posting-host or a line with a header X-trace and I've abbreviated that as NPH. That NPH or trace is usually encrypted by the nntp admin software, but sometimes it is open/unencrypted, showing the IP connecting to the nntp server. For many users that IP is their connectivity IP and serves to readily trace them. I'm not exactly sure what arlen and I are arguing about except that I don't understand why he feels he needs to connect to his nntp provider by VPN. I have never advocated doing that with a proxy either. In the specific case of mixmin, which also provides access with mail2news, it is accessible for reading and posting without authentication. It stamps its headers with an Injection-info header which contains an encrypted posting-host content. arlen doesn't like that I don't understand why he feels a need to use a VPN to access mixmin for ordinary conversations such as these and has interpreted those questions as an attack on his right to privacy. My only 'attacks' are on the careless use of VPNs on those who make assumptions about VPNs which aren't valid. I believe the TOPS site https://thatoneprivacysite.net/ is a valuable resource for investigating VPNs, while the 'Don't use VPNs' site is more valuable for the discussion it generates than its point of view which is ambiguous. -- Mike Easter
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 21:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnq6m8kv.idk.dan@djph.net> |
| In reply to | #53927 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Mike Easter wrote: > Dan Purgert wrote: >> >> Mike Easter wrote: >>> [...] >>> Personally I don't believe that the content of encrypted NPH is a >>> security risk because I don't believe that it is trivial to crack. >> >> I think I missed it -- what do you mean by "NPH" here? > > Sometimes a nntp server is configured to stamp an nntp-posting-host or > posting-host or a line with a header X-trace and I've abbreviated that > as NPH. Ah that makes sense then. > > That NPH or trace is usually encrypted by the nntp admin software, but > sometimes it is open/unencrypted, showing the IP connecting to the nntp > server. > > For many users that IP is their connectivity IP and serves to readily > trace them. Meh, you'll never trace these posts from 127.0.0.1! :) > > I'm not exactly sure what arlen and I are arguing about except that I > don't understand why he feels he needs to connect to his nntp provider > by VPN. I have never advocated doing that with a proxy either. Yeah, it mainly seems mis-attribution mixed in with a healthy dose of misunderstanding on arlen's part. In other words, par for course. > > In the specific case of mixmin, which also provides access with > mail2news, it is accessible for reading and posting without > authentication. It stamps its headers with an Injection-info header > which contains an encrypted posting-host content. > > arlen doesn't like that I don't understand why he feels a need to use a > VPN to access mixmin for ordinary conversations such as these and has > interpreted those questions as an attack on his right to privacy. Not that there's any "loss of privacy" by not using a VPN. I mean, we might as well compare the internet to a mall. Doesn't matter if he cimes in the north or south entrance (VPN or not) -- mixmin's still gonna inject it as "arlen holder(tm)" for the rest of us to see. > > My only 'attacks' are on the careless use of VPNs on those who make > assumptions about VPNs which aren't valid. > > I believe the TOPS site https://thatoneprivacysite.net/ is a valuable > resource for investigating VPNs, while the 'Don't use VPNs' site is more > valuable for the discussion it generates than its point of view which is > ambiguous. Personally, I'm in the "theres no point" camp. Doesn't matter if I come through a server here, or a vps or whatever, I still have my name on the posts (or my gmail account or whatever). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlxrIp8ACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooE/tQf+J39mkhaY2xdETkqz6G02ylMRb2grJBcsuc4rDzOZlAMhc/HOo2EI/1dg 7UlBWaKliEi4rm99vdD6r/gM4RxTw4Y8tXLEEtuzFs2BDEFDbfxc7tZ80FAsyBt6 upIAGAoP25Pk2pKhZ7HCYzSL6B6O4hvlNremyac9nxrA4N4vLV938gHUfgQH+1bL jG11CvXT88TCXbCFgjL+94NxfxbL4/4L3sj6CxdeDfdIWOoL2se/lr4Z1pT6xlZX l0TJX2Mgcd8MVUUpd3xPJqPlb0BoN3EDV9BwjAZwYzioaIiz1JP4GoeNYiiOicyU 2Q7Lbauvqi3uOXUMpmPyz4dstCrSpA== =VOCt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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| From | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4fb6i$kpo$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #53939 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:24:47 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote: > Yeah, it mainly seems mis-attribution mixed in with a healthy dose of > misunderstanding on arlen's part. In other words, par for course. Troll.
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| From | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 22:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4fb6l$kpo$3@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #53927 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 10:18:00 -0800, Mike Easter wrote: > I'm not exactly sure what arlen and I are arguing about except that I > don't understand why he feels he needs to connect to his nntp provider > by VPN. I have never advocated doing that with a proxy either. Hi Mike, As you know, I "mirror" the implied intent of the post, where I infer this question was made by you in good faith. I _understand_ (I think) why you are so confused about the use of VPN. o You're like a cat who is confused by a laser beam Mike. You have a zillion pre-conceived notions, Mike, about VPN. o ALmost all of which are wrong, when it comes to "my" use model, Mike. Hence, even though I must have explained my use model a hundred time (DISCLAIMER: The ignorant numbertrolls like Dan Purgert, Rene Lamantagne, Wolf K, and especially Cybe(R) Wizard are gonna ask me to _prove_ I posted it 100 times!). you still hold on to YOUR confusion about what VPN does. I realize you're confused, Mike; so is William Unruh confused, Mike. o The reason you're instinctively confused by VPN is the same reason that a racist is confused by the mere existence of a black female doctor, Mike. It's clear that William Unruh is likewise instinctively confused by VPN, just as he would be by the existence of a Native American wearing a 3-piece striped pinstripe suit. To get directly to the point, where on earth do you get the idiotic idea I "need to connect to the NNTP provider by VPN" (which I _already_ refuted either last night or today and you STILL make this idiotic claim). I'm sick and tired of explaining such a trivially simple use model, Mike, where the ONLY reason you (and that moronic William Unruh) can't possibly comprehend it is because it's like you trying to comprehend something that you just can't possibly comprehend. You can't comprehend, for example, that the PUBLICLY SHOWN NNTP posting host is what I'm trying to change. For some _strange_ innate inbred reason, that _simple_ concept, is utterly (shockingly) completely beyond your comprehension Mike. Mike: I don't have the people skills to explain something that horrifically SIMPLE to you, MIke. It's like explaining to you that, yes, Black Female Doctors actually exist, Mike. Until YOU wipe out your innate inbred instinctive bias against VPN, Mike, you'll _never_ comprehend even the _simplest_ of the simplest of use models that involve VPN. I realize this is a hard pill for you to swallow, so I apologize for having to be the one that has to tell you the blunt factual truth. I'm sorry.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 23:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <68prjf-0g8.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #53947 |
On 18/02/2019 23.22, arlen holder wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 10:18:00 -0800, Mike Easter wrote: ... > You can't comprehend, for example, that the PUBLICLY SHOWN NNTP posting > host is what I'm trying to change. Yes we do. Long ago in this thread. It has been already explained that you can not. At worst, it would be replaced by, let's call it, the one of an nntp proxy host. For all purposes, this is just another nntp server, lower in the hierarchy. But that server has to feed the post to another server higher in the hierarchy, for which he needs personal permission! That proxy server is fully identified! And he knows you. If you send enough rubbish, they will simply lock that proxy server, aka plain nntp server, out. Or he will learn to block you, Arlen, so that the server is allowed again with the crowd. He might leave out the header line that identifies your IP, but that is against his interests. If something happens, *he* will be blamed, and he wants to know how to trace the post to you and blame you instead, somehow. So no. An nntp proxy server is just another nntp server out there. And they will not anonymize you because they want to know whom to blame is shit happens. If you want anonymous IP header in nntp, use VPN or a tunnel. But they probably keep a log of your connection, anyway... -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> |
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| Date | 2019-02-18 23:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q4feug$reo$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #53957 |
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:47:02 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > It has been already explained that you can not. Carlos, Please STOP proving you are an idiot. Just stop it. Do you think, for even a god damn second, that I believed it existed? THINK Carlos. THINK. Stop saying that "it has already been explained to me", since I was practically sure of it _before_ I posted the question, Carlos. All you're proving, by saying this idiotic statement now THREE TIMES in a row, is that you're an ignorant idiot, Carlos. Again, I never thought that it existed. But I asked, just to make sure. The reason I repeat the question, Carlos, is clearly that I'm reminding those who are spewing ignorance (like Frank and Mike just did) of the question. Anything NOT answering the question, is NOT the topic of this thread. That you, Carlos, now three times in a row PROVED your ignorance of that ex extremely obvious fact is making me wonder if you're not just trolling again, Carlos. What part of this do you NOT understand Carlos? It's like me explaining to you that the moon is NOT made of cheese, and each time I tell you that, you keep telling me that the moon is not made of cheese. Just stop this Carlos. This thread has no good answer. The only reason there is so much garbage in this thread, is that the ignorant fools like Frank Slootweg just proved he was, own a belief system that is akin to one that can't comprehend that black female doctors can exist. The fact is that the answer to this question was ALWAYS zero. Q: What's a free proxy for the specific purpose of free Usenet posts? A: They don't exist. And that was my FUCKING POINT, Carlos! o Jesus Christ. You're too stupid to comprehend even something that simple.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-02-19 00:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o2srjf-d8p.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #53964 |
On 19/02/2019 00.26, arlen holder wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 23:47:02 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> It has been already explained that you can not. > > Carlos, > Please STOP proving you are an idiot. > Just stop it. Ok, I stop reading, as you resort to insulting... -- Cheers, Carlos.
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