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  Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-06 03:52 +0000
    Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-05 23:25 -0500
      Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-06 08:45 +0000
        Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-06 10:43 -0500
          Re: PureOS and Librem laptops <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-07 22:39 +0000
            Re: PureOS and Librem laptops nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-07 22:47 -0500
        Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-06 16:24 +0000
          Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-02-07 21:43 +0100
            Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-07 22:56 +0000
              Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-07 23:42 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-08 07:52 +0000
                  Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-02-08 13:13 +0100
                  Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-08 18:53 +0000
                    Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-08 11:03 -0800
                    Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-08 21:27 +0000
                      Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 16:23 +0000
                        Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 17:28 +0000
                          Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2019-02-09 19:01 +0100
                          Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 18:25 +0000
                            Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 18:43 +0000
                              Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 19:53 +0000
                                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-10 08:38 -0800
                  Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-08 21:22 +0000
                    Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-09 15:03 +0000
                      Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 17:18 +0000
                        Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 17:40 +0000
                          Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 18:13 +0000
                        Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-11 22:51 +0000
                    Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 17:24 +0000
                      Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 17:38 +0000
                        Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 17:53 +0000
                          Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 18:09 +0000
                            Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 20:12 +0000
                            Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-02-09 23:34 +0100
                          Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-02-10 00:55 +0100
                      Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2019-02-09 18:57 +0100
            Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-07 23:40 +0000
              Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-02-08 06:51 +0100
          Re: PureOS and Librem laptops <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-07 22:29 +0000
            Re: PureOS and Librem laptops William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-07 23:46 +0000
            Re: PureOS and Librem laptops nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-07 22:47 -0500
    Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-06 04:39 +0000
      PureOS and Librem laptops <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-06 06:23 +0000
        Re: PureOS and Librem laptops "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-06 07:56 -0600
          Re: PureOS and Librem laptops <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-07 22:25 +0000
          Re: PureOS and Librem laptops Mitch <m.mac@mixnym.net> - 2019-02-08 14:53 +0800
            Re: PureOS and Librem laptops "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-08 08:15 -0600
              Re: PureOS and Librem laptops Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-02-16 13:16 +0100
                Re: PureOS and Librem laptops Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-16 12:34 -0500
      Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Pedro Valdez <pedro1492@lycos.com> - 2019-02-06 03:15 -0800
        Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-06 08:07 -0800
          Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2019-02-07 14:03 -0600

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#53660 — Re: PureOS and Librem laptops

In article <q3ibfc$m5l$2@news.neodome.i2p>, <anon@anon.com> wrote:

> 
> >> Carrier support isn't required. Just pop a SIM in and you're good to go.
> >>
> >
> >Of course it is. The phone has to operate on the frequency/type band
> >that the carrier operates on.
> 
> There are international standards such as GSM. Ever heard of it?

gsm is obsolete, having been replaced by hspa/umts, lte and soon 5g.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM>
  Subsequently, the 3GPP developed third-generation (3G) UMTS
  standards, followed by fourth-generation (4G) LTE Advanced 
  standards, which do not form part of the ETSI GSM standard.

most lte phones don't have all lte bands, so they'll work on one
carrier but not on another, even if they're unlocked.

the real problem is that if carriers don't support it, it won't sell in
large enough volume for the company to be profitable, and that's
ignoring the rest of its problems.

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#53623

On 2019-02-06, <anon@anon.com> <anon@anon.com> wrote:
> Apparently, we will have it in April 2019. Anyone planning to buy one?
>
> https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
Lets see, they want $600 without giving any specs of the phone. Their
FAQ contains nothing. I think I would be very sceptical. 

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#53624 — PureOS and Librem laptops

William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in <q3dodm$b93$1@dont-email.me>:

> Lets see, they want $600 without giving any specs of the phone. Their
> FAQ contains nothing. I think I would be very sceptical.

Well, their laptop a real thing:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Purism-Librem-13-v3-Laptop-Review.375496.0.html

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#53639 — Re: PureOS and Librem laptops

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 06:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
<anon@anon.com> wrote:

> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in
> <q3dodm$b93$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
> > Lets see, they want $600 without giving any specs of the phone.
> > Their FAQ contains nothing. I think I would be very sceptical.  
> 
> Well, their laptop a real thing:
> https://www.notebookcheck.net/Purism-Librem-13-v3-Laptop-Review.375496.0.html

Wow, from that site:
"While the device looks beautiful at first glance, software limitations
and hardware bugs cripple the laptop and keep us from recommending it."

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
My other computer is a HOLMES IV 

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#53650 — Re: PureOS and Librem laptops

Cybe R. Wizard wrote in <20190206075659.1be2476b@WizardsTower>:

> Wow, from that site:
> "While the device looks beautiful at first glance, software limitations
> and hardware bugs cripple the laptop and keep us from recommending it."

Seems that there actually was a reason to not use most recent hardware:

https://puri.sm/learn/intel-me/
https://puri.sm/learn/avoiding-intel-amt/
https://puri.sm/posts/deep-dive-into-intel-me-disablement/
https://puri.sm/posts/measuring-the-intel-me-to-create-a-more-secure-computer/
https://puri.sm/learn/freedom-roadmap/
https://puri.sm/posts/purism-patches-meltdown-and-spectre-variant-2-both-included-in-all-new-librem-laptops/

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#53668 — Re: PureOS and Librem laptops

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 07:56:59 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
<cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 06:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
><anon@anon.com> wrote:
>
>> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in
>> <q3dodm$b93$1@dont-email.me>:
>> 
>> > Lets see, they want $600 without giving any specs of the phone.
>> > Their FAQ contains nothing. I think I would be very sceptical.  
>> 
>> Well, their laptop a real thing:
>> https://www.notebookcheck.net/Purism-Librem-13-v3-Laptop-Review.375496.0.html
>
>Wow, from that site:
>"While the device looks beautiful at first glance, software limitations
>and hardware bugs cripple the laptop and keep us from recommending it."

Might pay to factor in which side their bread is buttered on before
drawing conclusions...

-- 
Mitch

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#53675 — Re: PureOS and Librem laptops

On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 14:53:44 +0800
Mitch <m.mac@mixnym.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 07:56:59 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 06:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
> ><anon@anon.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in
> >> <q3dodm$b93$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>   
> >> > Lets see, they want $600 without giving any specs of the phone.
> >> > Their FAQ contains nothing. I think I would be very
> >> > sceptical.    
> >> 
> >> Well, their laptop a real thing:
> >> https://www.notebookcheck.net/Purism-Librem-13-v3-Laptop-Review.375496.0.html  
> >
> >Wow, from that site:
> >"While the device looks beautiful at first glance, software
> >limitations and hardware bugs cripple the laptop and keep us from
> >recommending it."  
> 
> Might pay to factor in which side their bread is buttered on before
> drawing conclusions...
> 
Who, on a.o.l, would add these groups:
alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
to this pure Linux thread?

Hmmmm?

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS

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#53876 — Re: PureOS and Librem laptops

In article <20190208081511.2f81f034@WizardsTower>
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 14:53:44 +0800
> Mitch <m.mac@mixnym.net> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 07:56:59 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> > <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > >On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 06:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
> > ><anon@anon.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in
> > >> <q3dodm$b93$1@dont-email.me>:
> > >>
> > >> > Lets see, they want $600 without giving any specs of the phone.
> > >> > Their FAQ contains nothing. I think I would be very
> > >> > sceptical.
> > >>
> > >> Well, their laptop a real thing:
> > >> https://www.notebookcheck.net/Purism-Librem-13-v3-Laptop-Review.375496.0.html
> > >
> > >Wow, from that site:
> > >"While the device looks beautiful at first glance, software
> > >limitations and hardware bugs cripple the laptop and keep us from
> > >recommending it."
> >
> > Might pay to factor in which side their bread is buttered on before
> > drawing conclusions...
> >
> Who, on a.o.l, would add these groups:
> alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
> to this pure Linux thread?
>
> Hmmmm?

Are you implying that this thread is restricted to Linux geeks 
only?

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#53883 — Re: PureOS and Librem laptops

Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <20190208081511.2f81f034@WizardsTower>
> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 14:53:44 +0800
>> Mitch <m.mac@mixnym.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 07:56:59 -0600, "Cybe R. Wizard"
>>> <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 06:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> <anon@anon.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote in
>>>>> <q3dodm$b93$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lets see, they want $600 without giving any specs of the phone.
>>>>>> Their FAQ contains nothing. I think I would be very
>>>>>> sceptical.
>>>>> Well, their laptop a real thing:
>>>>> https://www.notebookcheck.net/Purism-Librem-13-v3-Laptop-Review.375496.0.html
>>>> Wow, from that site:
>>>> "While the device looks beautiful at first glance, software
>>>> limitations and hardware bugs cripple the laptop and keep us from
>>>> recommending it."
>>> Might pay to factor in which side their bread is buttered on before
>>> drawing conclusions...
>>>
>> Who, on a.o.l, would add these groups:
>> alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
>> to this pure Linux thread?
>>
>> Hmmmm?
> 
> Are you implying that this thread is restricted to Linux geeks 
> only?
> 

Mechanical Turk. $0.65 per advert.

    Paul

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#53633

On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 12:39:21 PM UTC+8, William Unruh wrote:
> > https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
> Lets see, they want $600 without giving any specs of the phone. Their
> FAQ contains nothing. I think I would be very sceptical.

I bought a phone for $34 (half-price special) dunno why people pay several
hundred...

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#53643

Pedro Valdez wrote:
> I bought a phone for $34 (half-price special) dunno why people pay several
> hundred...

I bought a fliptop tracfone for less than that, but it isn't as smart or 
big or touchscreen or SIM-able or wifi as my $80 phone, which I just use 
w/ wifi.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#53648

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 08:07:04 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Pedro Valdez wrote:
> > I bought a phone for $34 (half-price special) dunno why people pay
> > several hundred...  
> 
> I bought a fliptop tracfone for less than that, but it isn't as smart
> or big or touchscreen or SIM-able or wifi as my $80 phone, which I
> just use w/ wifi.
> 

That's what I paid for my smartphone.  I can't understand why someone
would pay a thousand dollars for a phone that probably can't do anymore
than the one I have.

https://www.consumercellular.com/Products/905/Details

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