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| First post | 2019-01-17 23:14 +0000 |
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Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-17 23:14 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-18 00:12 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 00:58 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-17 19:29 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-18 06:27 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 02:00 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 02:08 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 14:29 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 11:22 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:29 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 13:45 +0000
NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-04 03:59 +0000
NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-15 04:31 +0000
Re: NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-15 11:26 +0000
Re: NF -- Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-16 04:51 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-20 20:55 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-01-20 16:02 -0500
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-23 01:14 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 11:34 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-23 19:23 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 20:24 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-28 19:16 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-30 05:18 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 00:32 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-23 20:41 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 20:49 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:46 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:38 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-23 15:50 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 15:59 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-23 22:06 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 16:09 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 00:07 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 18:27 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2019-01-23 19:16 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 02:00 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 20:58 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 21:11 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 07:50 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-24 07:56 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 02:34 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 11:54 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 07:51 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 02:49 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 13:39 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 08:19 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-24 06:10 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2019-01-25 09:14 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 17:42 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 00:02 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 19:30 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 02:14 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 15:54 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 16:41 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-24 23:08 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-24 23:37 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 06:11 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:04 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:48 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 13:33 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-28 08:23 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:43 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-29 22:41 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-30 12:34 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-30 12:26 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-26 03:56 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:09 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-25 09:49 -0500
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 17:42 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-01-25 10:07 -0800
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:51 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:23 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 22:43 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:18 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 15:21 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-01-25 17:19 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-25 23:21 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:36 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <XxuB8T967dUpoKQ8.R9P892p5GIKabIS11TMpG7N8dpaGh90cjaXByxpT@dont-email.me> - 2019-01-20 22:09 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:14 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-25 16:34 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2019-01-25 11:49 -0500
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:02 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 22:41 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 17:14 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:08 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:11 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 16:17 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-01-25 15:16 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-25 20:41 +0100
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-27 02:02 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2019-02-15 19:15 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:21 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-30 12:25 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-02-03 02:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-21 04:51 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-18 04:18 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-18 06:27 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-18 15:01 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:27 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-21 04:51 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-20 23:56 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-21 12:11 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-23 03:49 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 01:27 -0600
OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 01:34 -0600
Re: OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:39 -0500
Re: OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:04 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-23 09:05 +0100
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 02:25 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-23 10:30 +0100
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-23 03:40 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-28 01:33 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-28 11:50 +0100
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-01-30 05:24 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-03 08:08 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 23:26 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-02-04 05:45 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-08 07:33 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-01-30 09:04 +0100
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-23 12:18 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:13 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-02-04 03:59 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-25 07:17 -0600
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-25 14:49 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-27 20:36 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2019-01-28 05:31 +0000
Re: I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-01-28 15:27 +0000
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Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> news:slrnq43qj1.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:01:53 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: > Diesel wrote: >> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q1rk2t$agb$1@news.mixmin.net >>> I'm only going to respond to you, Diesel, and not to the drivel >>> who may follow in your wake (e.g., Cybe R. Wizard, Dan Purgert, >>> Jolly Roger, Tim Streater, Alan Browne, Alan Baker, nospam, >>> haemactylus, Char Jackson, Rene Lamontagne, et al.), simply >>> because the response to any one of you is the same as the >>> response to all. >> >> I know some of the individuals you mentioned from prior >> conversations. At no time have I found any of the aforementioned >> people to be stupid, though. I don't even consider David Brooks >> or the Anoncoward stupid. misguided, certainly, but, stupid, heh, >> no. > > I'm definitely stupid, the proof is in responding to arlen. > > Or is that insane? You aren't stupid in the way in which Arlen is trying to paint others, including myself. Everyone is ignorant in something or other and that's a fixable condition. Stupid, oth, can't be fixed. Maybe a slight case of insanity, or, you get some form of enjoyment watching Arlen squirm? I know I do. :) >> Oh please, you don't think those people know you're trying to >> kiss their ass cheeks? You'd love it if they'd just give you >> complete step by step instructions for each problem you present. > > Don't they do just that? I mean, I know Marek was quite thourough > when he was explaining something, and Mike is as well. To a point, yes. And it seems that some do like that sort of attention, sadly. Despite their lengthly efforts to explain things, Arlen still isn't making viable progress. >> >>> I've been studying people like you for decades because, as you >>> know, I worked for decades in the Silicon Valley [...] > > Oh, California. This explains so very much.A > > Prop 65 warning - Usenet is known to the state of California to > cause cancer. Have you read the recent article concerning Californias education level? Or, general lack there of. Those intelligent people he hung around with weren't native Cali residents. [g] > Just in case, I'd add "arduino doesn't count", personally. It has > a pretty hefty amount of "help". Arduino is just uber cool. I wish things like that existed when I was a kiddo. >> That's another problem you have, Arlen. Various people you've >> mentioned, including the likes of Mike Easter do infact know me, >> and they also know I'm not full of shit. Mike knows alot about >> me, actually. Even including some.. not so nice things I'm >> responsible for. > > Great Lord Cthulhu, you're not involved with systemd are you? Oh, by no means. I did some terrible things, but, not that. :) >> ROFL. I've been moving data back and forth between Windows, >> Linux, Android, and the god awful (I'm not an apple fan) macOS >> for years Arlen. It's not new to me, and not something I recently >> learned how to do. > > I think I was maybe six when I learned one could click and drag a > document from "go away this is my stuff" to "A:/". Umm. It sounds like there's a bit of a difference in our age then. :) My first computer didn't know what click and drag was using the OS included on it's rom chips. Booting into the OS-9 operating system allowed for use of a mouse though, amongst other things. My second computer wasn't really beefy enough to be running windows 2x,3x families. It was semi okay with desqview or geo. Not much else. You can only get so much out of a 286 10megahertz chip. [g] But, it was a super speed demon compared to my first computer and had so much more capability, so I couldn't complain. I added a 40meg (yea, megabyte) hard drive via an 8bit controller card, a paradise svga 512k 16bit isa card (it rocked for it's time!!!), a soundblaster 16 (one of the best xmas presents I've ever had). That 286 ran a board and was my first PC compatible where I learned to code in assembler and asic. I dabbled with a little c/c++ on it too. Learned how to reverse engineer software with that machine, actually. I also used it for some wonky electronics projects that'd I'd control and or monitor from one of it's two serial ports. (com1,com2). It's mainboard actually had rudimentary protection circuitry on those ports, so it was perfect that. Little risk of messing something up if your external circuit failed, or, you accidently connected it reverse polarity. [g] > Maybe about ten when I learned "ctrl+A -> right click -> select > 'print'" would print all the things without opening them. (Major > apologies in advance for triggering a new "tutorial".) You were ten when you could just bring down a menu and click print, and like magic, you got something cool on the paper right? I bet it was even in color. [g] My first printer was a 9pin dot matrix. And, there was no right click menu print option for the computer it was attached to, unless I was in os9 and the app I was using supported it. :) You might say it could print a primitive form of grayscale with alot of coding effort, but, color wasn't an option for it. >> [...] >>> Do you see I'm swimming in a sea of fools, Diesel? >> >> You're swimming alone, actually. > > With sharks (do do do do ... OHGOD MAKE IT STOP!) I can't. :( >> [...] >> and perhaps that of a few neighbors who come to you for >> assistance. > > Perish the thought. It is a scary one, now that I think about it. So far, he seems to be about as useful as jpegs to helen keller -- ============================= 'Potty emergency! Potty emergency!' -- Wakko Warner
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 04:51:30 -0000 (UTC) Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote: > Have you read the recent article concerning Californias education > level? Or, general lack there of. Those intelligent people he hung > around with weren't native Cali residents. Back when my daughters were 6 and 9 (they're 35 and 32 now) the local print media provided a sample of the Cali. public school teacher's test that the teachers were almost ready to strike over. Both daughters took the (admittedly just a sample) test, both passed. Elder Daughter, just 9, aced it. Don't bother listening to anyone touting the high level of education availability in California. Cybe R. Wizard -- The very spring and root of honesty and virtue lie in good education. Plutarch
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"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> news:20190120235605.6bfbdbda@WizardsTower Mon, 21 Jan 2019 05:56:05 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 04:51:30 -0000 (UTC) > Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote: > >> Have you read the recent article concerning Californias education >> level? Or, general lack there of. Those intelligent people he >> hung around with weren't native Cali residents. > > Back when my daughters were 6 and 9 (they're 35 and 32 now) the > local print media provided a sample of the Cali. public school > teacher's test that the teachers were almost ready to strike over. > > > Both daughters took the (admittedly just a sample) test, both > passed. Elder Daughter, just 9, aced it. Don't bother listening > to anyone touting the high level of education availability in > California. > > Cybe R. Wizard It's that bad huh? I'd heard stories about it for years. I do remember one student who moved from cali to my home state when I was in the 7th grade. I thought the individual was joking with us when they explained that they hadn't begun doing various things we already started in 4th grade and were well into by the time we got to 7th grade. Alot of the stem stuff, it didn't have a name back then like that. We called it science class. [g] -- 'The joyfulness of man prolongth his days.' - Ecclesiastics II:28
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2019-01-21 12:11 +0000 |
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Diesel wrote: > Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> > news:slrnq43qj1.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:01:53 > GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: > >> Diesel wrote: >>> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> news:q1rk2t$agb$1@news.mixmin.net > [...] > Maybe a slight case of insanity, or, you get some form of enjoyment > watching Arlen squirm? I know I do. :) Schadenfreude is a powerful force... (aside, ugh, goddammit slrn, you're not supposed to write the messageid like that ... ) > >>> Oh please, you don't think those people know you're trying to >>> kiss their ass cheeks? You'd love it if they'd just give you >>> complete step by step instructions for each problem you present. >> >> Don't they do just that? I mean, I know Marek was quite thourough >> when he was explaining something, and Mike is as well. > > To a point, yes. And it seems that some do like that sort of > attention, sadly. Despite their lengthly efforts to explain things, > Arlen still isn't making viable progress. I miss Marek, tbh. Was a good guy to chat with on the odd occasion that something non-Usenet-worthy came up. > >>> >>>> I've been studying people like you for decades because, as you >>>> know, I worked for decades in the Silicon Valley [...] >> >> Oh, California. This explains so very much.A >> >> Prop 65 warning - Usenet is known to the state of California to >> cause cancer. > > Have you read the recent article concerning Californias education > level? Or, general lack there of. Those intelligent people he hung > around with weren't native Cali residents. [g] Nope, I'm still hoping that either * Trump can get that wall built around CA and then just give it to MX * That earthquake we were promised for 2013 knocks CA off the coast. Movies aren't doing so hot on their predictions for the future though. > >> Just in case, I'd add "arduino doesn't count", personally. It has >> a pretty hefty amount of "help". > > Arduino is just uber cool. I wish things like that existed when I was > a kiddo. IKR! My point though was that it (the IDE anyway) makes programming the boards relatively trivial. Not good enough to use makefiles / avrdude / etc. by hand yet, though I have moved away from the Arduino IDE to Microchip's; so I can start playing around with their new (non-compatible with Arduino) "1-series" ATTiny chips. > >>> That's another problem you have, Arlen. Various people you've >>> mentioned, including the likes of Mike Easter do infact know me, >>> and they also know I'm not full of shit. Mike knows alot about >>> me, actually. Even including some.. not so nice things I'm >>> responsible for. >> >> Great Lord Cthulhu, you're not involved with systemd are you? > > Oh, by no means. I did some terrible things, but, not that. :) Oh good. I didn't want to have to write you off as one of _them_. > >>> ROFL. I've been moving data back and forth between Windows, >>> Linux, Android, and the god awful (I'm not an apple fan) macOS >>> for years Arlen. It's not new to me, and not something I recently >>> learned how to do. >> >> I think I was maybe six when I learned one could click and drag a >> document from "go away this is my stuff" to "A:/". > > Umm. It sounds like there's a bit of a difference in our age then. :) Come to think of it, my recollection is flawed - but yeah, I'm definitely a bit younger than you. I would've been more like 10 when that happened (Windows 3.xx / 95). Computer we had when I was six was a Commodore 64. I didn't really _do_ much on it though. Best I had accomplished was copying a game from a book. I think it was a "learn to program" book or something, that by the end you had a working game. Or something like that. I just remember a lot of 10 DO THING 20 NEXT THING 30 IF OTHERTHING THEN 40 GOTO 400 50 ELSE ... > [...] I added a 40meg (yea, megabyte) > hard drive via an 8bit controller card, a paradise svga 512k 16bit I always wanted a voodoo, but by the time I could afford a computer, they had died :( > [...] > I also used it for some wonky electronics projects that'd I'd control > and or monitor from one of it's two serial ports. (com1,com2). It's > mainboard actually had rudimentary protection circuitry on those > ports, so it was perfect that. Little risk of messing something up if > your external circuit failed, or, you accidently connected it reverse > polarity. [g] Heh, that's actually what I'm playing with right now -- there's a model train control system based around PIC microcontrollers, wherein the micro programming isn't open; but the guy who wrote it freely gave away the external PC-to-microcontroller comms protocol (based on RS485). There _is_ an arduino-based rewrite, and while it works out pretty well, the approach is a bit convoluted. Or maybe I just don't understand the brilliance of it :) > >> Maybe about ten when I learned "ctrl+A -> right click -> select >> 'print'" would print all the things without opening them. (Major >> apologies in advance for triggering a new "tutorial".) > > You were ten when you could just bring down a menu and click print, > and like magic, you got something cool on the paper right? I bet it > was even in color. [g] No, when I could open a directory containing say a dozen documents and by selecting all of them (e.g. with ctrl+a), could use the "print" option from the right-click context menu and get all 12 of them to print without needing to open each document individually. No color either - it meant swapping the cartridge from the (expensive!) black to the (even more expensive) color ink. We were only allowed to use it for a one-page coversheet for school projects. > > My first printer was a 9pin dot matrix. And, there was no right click > menu print option for the computer it was attached to, unless I was > in os9 and the app I was using supported it. :) You might say it > could print a primitive form of grayscale with alot of coding effort, > but, color wasn't an option for it. I keep meaning to get a dot-matrix and greenbar, for reasons. -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> news:slrnq4bdmt.k38.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Mon, 21 Jan 2019 12:11:09 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: > Diesel wrote: >> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >> news:slrnq43qj1.vve.dan@xps-linux.djph.net Fri, 18 Jan 2019 >> 15:01:53 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: >> >>> Diesel wrote: >>>> arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> >>>> news:q1rk2t$agb$1@news.mixmin.net >> [...] >> Maybe a slight case of insanity, or, you get some form of >> enjoyment watching Arlen squirm? I know I do. :) > > Schadenfreude is a powerful force... > > (aside, ugh, goddammit slrn, you're not supposed to write the > messageid like that ... ) Don't blame your client on the messageid line wrap issue. It could be mine. I've forced my client, at virtual gunpoint (take that Anoncoward, I'll blast my usenet client in the fucking face if it says no. NO mercy, .357 right in the fucking face!!! uber uber) I like messing with my anonymous cowardly stalker, so I make things interesting for them from time to time. I wrote a small pile of little programs that do various things with xnews data files that xnews won't lemme do via it's gui. :) Since i don't have xnews source code, I had to make my changes at an external level, rather than internal one. Nearly everything in my headers is configurable now. Batch que sends of posts in whatever order, including random I like; even being able to select posts as a pile to be sent before or after another pile at whatever time i like. quick searching saved articles, sent articles, entire threads it has a local copy of, that sort of thing. very useful. I've reverse engineered the hell out of this client. And, it even works using Wine on the linux distro's I run on a daily basis. So far, all the little programs I've written to interact with it's configuration and/or data files does as well. I am working on retooling them to become native elf binaries though. It'll be a little silly that xnews runs under wine, but the little hacking tools I wrote don't need it. lol. > I miss Marek, tbh. Was a good guy to chat with on the odd > occasion that something non-Usenet-worthy came up. Agreed. > * Trump can get that wall built around CA and then just give it > to MX * That earthquake we were promised for 2013 knocks CA off > the coast. LOL!!! [snip] >> Arduino is just uber cool. I wish things like that existed when I >> was a kiddo. > > IKR! My point though was that it (the IDE anyway) makes > programming the boards relatively trivial. > > Not good enough to use makefiles / avrdude / etc. by hand yet, > though I have moved away from the Arduino IDE to Microchip's; so I > can start playing around with their new (non-compatible with > Arduino) "1-series" ATTiny chips. Sweet.. Still, IDE or not, Arduino is fun to play with. I wouldn't have any issue personally if you shared source code or design layouts or what not related to it. We might want to use another newsgroup for that, but, I wouldn't mind. I don't consider it hello world grade newbie bullshit, fwiw, either. > Oh good. I didn't want to have to write you off as one of _them_. Nah. I did some very immature things for a few years in the late 90s, early 00. Wrote some rather nasty code of a self replicating nature along with some very choice comments in a vx interview and on usenet concerning the work. I'm sure the Anoncoward (it's a stalking groupie of sorts, they really want me; I hope it's a girl...one can never quite tell these days until it could be too late) will be around here to share some posts describing what I did, and all kinds of things I didn't do as well (it's really not picky) Just give them a little time. They've gotta put just the right snippits together. [g] > Computer we had when I was six was a Commodore 64. I didn't > really _do_ much on it though. Best I had accomplished was > copying a game from a book. I think it was a "learn to program" > book or something, that by the end you had a working game. Or > something like that. The first computer I owned was the Tandy Color Computer 3. Aka, the Coco3. The Commodore 64 was superior to it in some aspects. I wouldn't have minded an Amiga based system though. Despite Amiga having the least in common with any of the other two in so far as a gateway to the PC world. by PC, I mean Intel compatible. > I just remember a lot of > > 10 DO THING > 20 NEXT THING > 30 IF OTHERTHING THEN > 40 GOTO 400 > 50 ELSE ... And hoping there aren't any typos in the printed source code as you continue keying it all in. > >> [...] I added a 40meg (yea, megabyte) >> hard drive via an 8bit controller card, a paradise svga 512k >> 16bit > > I always wanted a voodoo, but by the time I could afford a > computer, they had died :( I had a voodoo2 paired with a diamond viper on a FIC-VA 503+ mainboard running an AMD k6/2-350 machine with 512megs of ram at the time, 80gig IDE based hard drive, dvd burner (4x I think it was, may have been a little faster) in a mid tower, running Windows 98se. It rocked for Need for speed, hot pursuit. The graphics amazed me. I built the rig during my lunch break at a place I worked at the time, as (oh the irony) a certified (I got my first Novell cert when I was still in high school, hehehehe) computer technician. Got it for cost of parts, no labor (as I'd assembled it myself, rofl) and sales tax. > Heh, that's actually what I'm playing with right now -- there's a > model train control system based around PIC microcontrollers, > wherein the micro programming isn't open; but the guy who wrote it > freely gave away the external PC-to-microcontroller comms protocol > (based on RS485). > > There _is_ an arduino-based rewrite, and while it works out pretty > well, the approach is a bit convoluted. Or maybe I just don't > understand the brilliance of it :) You like model trains too? I had several when I was a kiddo myself. I was really into them. I was into anything that ran on electricity though, batteries or plugged in. I had to know how it worked. The first time a good bite knocked me clear across the room, I had to know HOW AND WHY it did that. A normal kid I think would have not touched another screwdriver and gone anywhere near something like that again. Not me. I was hooked. [g] > No, when I could open a directory containing say a dozen documents > and by selecting all of them (e.g. with ctrl+a), could use the > "print" option from the right-click context menu and get all 12 of > them to print without needing to open each document individually. Oh, Okay. I gotcha. I remember writing a pile of Lprint ,port, value, text string, etc commands to my first printer. The coco3 didn't use a mouse unless you were running a very specific program to do it. And, with 128k total of memory and floppy or cassette as your only data storage options, you didn't do much gui based printing. [g] The 512k expansion pack and os-9 changed that though. It provided a very cool for it's time GUI based operating system that actually did multi task via cpu time slicing, on a pitiful standard speed 1megahertz chip; but you could poke it to overclock at 2megaherts speed, if you wanted. You could also overclock the floppy drive controller card as well as leave the floppy drive spindle motor running when the drive wasn't in use to max out the load/save time on your machine. >> My first printer was a 9pin dot matrix. And, there was no right >> click menu print option for the computer it was attached to, >> unless I was in os9 and the app I was using supported it. :) You >> might say it could print a primitive form of grayscale with alot >> of coding effort, but, color wasn't an option for it. > > I keep meaning to get a dot-matrix and greenbar, for reasons. They can still be handy today. -- My memory sucks, so I changed my computer password to incorrect. That way if I forget it, it tells me "your password is incorrect".
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 01:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <20190123012705.7eabc3ef@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #52940 |
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 03:49:13 -0000 (UTC) Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote: > I was into anything that ran on electricity > though, batteries or plugged in. I had to know how it worked. The > first time a good bite knocked me clear across the room, I had to > know HOW AND WHY it did that. A normal kid I think would have not > touched another screwdriver and gone anywhere near something like > that again. Not me. I was hooked. [g] A normal kid would say, "I'll never do that again." A sciency kid would say, "I wonder if that always happens," and do it again. A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always happens," and sends another kid to do it again. Cybe R. Wizard -- "Wanna see me pull a habit out of my rat?" Amy Farrah Fowler, "The Big Band Theory"
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 01:34 -0600 |
| Subject | OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... |
| Message-ID | <20190123013410.09771d22@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #52945 |
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 01:27:05 -0600 "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote: > "Wanna see me pull a habit out of my rat?" > Amy Farrah Fowler, "The Big Band Theory" Clearly that should read, "...Big Bang Theory." Cybe R. Wizard -- With any new medium, the full power is only unearthed with experimentation. Sebastian Thrun
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 03:39 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... |
| Message-ID | <q29983$ev7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #52946 |
Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 01:27:05 -0600
> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Wanna see me pull a habit out of my rat?"
>> Amy Farrah Fowler, "The Big Band Theory"
>
> Clearly that should read, "...Big Bang Theory."
>
> Cybe R. Wizard
Maybe the .sig came from the Big Band era,
Guy Lombardo, Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J5Zt2Obko
Paul
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 03:04 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: OT: .sig. Was:Re: I just belatedly realized and on and on and on... |
| Message-ID | <20190123030455.3a2f9d8e@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #52950 |
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 03:39:33 -0500 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 01:27:05 -0600 > > "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote: > > > >> "Wanna see me pull a habit out of my rat?" > >> Amy Farrah Fowler, "The Big Band Theory" > > > > Clearly that should read, "...Big Bang Theory." > > > > Cybe R. Wizard > > Maybe the .sig came from the Big Band era, > Guy Lombardo, Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J5Zt2Obko > > Paul :-) New old from Austria: http://www.rat-bigband.at/ Hear here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9lMaGdE0Ys (but it's 80s music, not BB era) Cybe R. Wizard -- I started a big band when grunge was popular. I mean, that didn't make much sense. Brian Setzer
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| From | "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 09:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <q29795$r0i$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #52945 |
Cybe, > A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always happens," > and sends another kid to do it again. I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that way. When I was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a current passing thru a wire/metal made you get a shock (I once, by mistake, touched a the innards of a switch and that was what I got. Hence the experiment to verify my train of thought). So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked my brother to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly touch the other side with the other wire. Just a light jolt, right (hey, I was still alive) ? Luckily he refused. Had he actually grabbed it there would have been a 50% chance he would have had the live wire, and would not have been able to release it anymore ... Regards, Rudy Wieser
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 02:25 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <20190123022518.2d76c7ee@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #52947 |
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:05:45 +0100 "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote: > Cybe, > > > A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always happens," > > and sends another kid to do it again. > > I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that way. > When I was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a current > passing thru a wire/metal made you get a shock (I once, by mistake, > touched a the innards of a switch and that was what I got. Hence the > experiment to verify my train of thought). > > So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked my > brother to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly touch > the other side with the other wire. Just a light jolt, right (hey, > I was still alive) ? > > Luckily he refused. Had he actually grabbed it there would have been > a 50% chance he would have had the live wire, and would not have been > able to release it anymore ... > > Regards, > Rudy Wieser > Do you know who DOES NOT trifle with electricity? Electricians. They know better. Cybe R. Wizard -has been hit with 110v, 20 amp, but just one finger -- My other car is a Chandler MetalSmith Mark III
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| From | "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 10:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <q29c87$1hjj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #52949 |
Cybe, > Do you know who DOES NOT trifle with electricity? > > Electricians. > > They know better. I only got that chance a number of years later. Where I once slapped the hand of a teacher away which (I thought) was reaching towards the open(!) work he had to mark and was conneced to the 220v mains. I have to give it to him though, he only looked sideways at me (I only now realise a bit amused, not funny) but did not say a word when I stumbled over my haste to explained why I did it. Yes, I started life as an electrician. :-) But to be honest, I would not have trusted a few of my thanwhile classmates with a 9 volt battery, let alone 220v mains. Their idea of "Funny" was to charge a few 10-thousands of uF (half the size of a fuzzy drink) with an high enough voltage and try to touch others with it. A kind of of a one (big!) zap taser. Regards, Rudy Wieser
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-01-23 03:40 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <20190123034021.464512bf@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #52953 |
On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 10:30:24 +0100 "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote: > Their idea of "Funny" was to > charge a few 10-thousands of uF (half the size of a fuzzy drink) with > an high enough voltage and try to touch others with it. A kind of > of a one (big!) zap taser. Luckily the contact terminals are close together. Otherwise, possibly fatal. Cybe R. Wizard -- I am an expert of electricity. My father occupied the chair of applied electricity at the state prison. W. C. Fields
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| From | Diesel <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA9E55DABFEA6HT1@u0ECeNR06M8rvC48OAE0PoWATk.R71Y3.1XH5k> |
| In reply to | #52949 |
"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> news:20190123022518.2d76c7ee@WizardsTower Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:25:18 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:05:45 +0100 > "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> wrote: > >> Cybe, >> >> > A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always >> > happens," and sends another kid to do it again. >> >> I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that >> way. When I was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a >> current passing thru a wire/metal made you get a shock (I once, >> by mistake, touched a the innards of a switch and that was what I >> got. Hence the experiment to verify my train of thought). >> >> So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked >> my brother to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly >> touch the other side with the other wire. Just a light jolt, >> right (hey, I was still alive) ? >> >> Luckily he refused. Had he actually grabbed it there would have >> been a 50% chance he would have had the live wire, and would not >> have been able to release it anymore ... >> >> Regards, >> Rudy Wieser >> > Do you know who DOES NOT trifle with electricity? > > Electricians. > > They know better. ROFL! I'll have to share some stories of jobsites with you sometime. [g] > Cybe R. Wizard -has been hit with 110v, 20 amp, but just one > finger hehehehe...you just got a little sting. [g] try 3phase 480 sometime. No, just kidding, don't really do that. 208 sucks, 240 sucks... 277 is a pisser. but, 480... oh, she's another fucker altogether. A real bitch. Oh the arcs.. oh the memories. lol -- Death is life's answer to the question 'Why?'
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2019-01-28 01:33 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <20190128013336.5d717176@WizardsTower> |
| In reply to | #53263 |
On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 05:30:57 -0000 (UTC) Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote: > "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> > news:20190123022518.2d76c7ee@WizardsTower Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:25:18 > GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: > [...] > >> > > Do you know who DOES NOT trifle with electricity? > > > > Electricians. > > > > They know better. > > ROFL! I'll have to share some stories of jobsites with you sometime. > [g] > > > Cybe R. Wizard -has been hit with 110v, 20 amp, but just one > > finger > > hehehehe...you just got a little sting. [g] > try 3phase 480 sometime. No, just kidding, don't really do that. I was once right beside a guy who accidentally shorted the tip of his screwdriver on some 440 3 phase (5 ton A/C) once. No physical contact, just the big sunburst, but it did sunburn one side of his fact, one arm and removed one eyebrow in that brightly-lit instant. > > 208 sucks, 240 sucks... 277 is a pisser. but, 480... oh, she's > another fucker altogether. A real bitch. Oh the arcs.. oh the > memories. lol > [...] Cybe R. Wizard- turns the breaker off now -- We will make electricity so cheap that only the rich will burn candles. Thomas A. Edison
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| From | Diesel <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2019-01-28 05:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA9E55DA48434HT1@u0ECeNR06M8rvC48OAE0PoWATk.R71Y3.1XH5k> |
| In reply to | #52947 |
"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> news:q29795$r0i$1@gioia.aioe.org Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:05:45 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: > Cybe, > >> A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always >> happens," and sends another kid to do it again. > > I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that > way. When I was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a > current passing thru a wire/metal made you get a shock (I once, by > mistake, touched a the innards of a switch and that was what I > got. Hence the experiment to verify my train of thought). > > So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked > my brother to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly > touch the other side with the other wire. Just a light jolt, > right (hey, I was still alive) ? > > Luckily he refused. Had he actually grabbed it there would have > been a 50% chance he would have had the live wire, and would not > have been able to release it anymore ... It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked him off of it, 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you. -- If Murphy's Law were true, whenever you tried to take a breath, all the air would be on the other side of the room.
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| From | "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> |
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| Date | 2019-01-28 11:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <q2mmpu$17mk$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #53262 |
Diesel, > It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked > him off of it If he would just have touched it with the top of a finger than that would, if it was the live wire, probably have happened, yes. But if he would have thought to "just get it over with" and grabbed it instead ... > 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you I don't get the logic in that, can you explain ? Regards, Rudy Wieser "Diesel" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:XnsA9E55DA48434HT1@u0ECeNR06M8rvC48OAE0PoWATk.R71Y3.1XH5k... > "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> news:q29795$r0i$1@gioia.aioe.org > Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:05:45 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: > >> Cybe, >> >>> A true scientist kid would say, "I wonder if that always >>> happens," and sends another kid to do it again. >> >> I almost electrocuted my (younger, always younger) brother that >> way. When I was young (pre teen) I had the mistaken idea that a >> current passing thru a wire/metal made you get a shock (I once, by >> mistake, touched a the innards of a switch and that was what I >> got. Hence the experiment to verify my train of thought). >> >> So I attached a 220 volt wire to some lodged metal rod and asked >> my brother to touch it - after which I would quickly-and-lightly >> touch the other side with the other wire. Just a light jolt, >> right (hey, I was still alive) ? >> >> Luckily he refused. Had he actually grabbed it there would have >> been a 50% chance he would have had the live wire, and would not >> have been able to release it anymore ... > > It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked him > off of it, 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you. > > > > -- > If Murphy's Law were true, whenever you tried to take a breath, all the > air would be on the other side of the room.
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| From | Diesel <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 04:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA9E6F01CCA003HT1@1V7NNc6Rrr0.4270tgFchlo8Om7EPe7r.zUJT8aeJ465jg16wu9IM> |
| In reply to | #53279 |
"R.Wieser" <address@not.available> news:q2mmpu$17mk$1@gioia.aioe.org Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:50:32 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: > Diesel, > >> It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked >> him off of it > > If he would just have touched it with the top of a finger than > that would, if it was the live wire, probably have happened, yes. > But if he would have thought to "just get it over with" and > grabbed it instead ... > >> 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you > > I don't get the logic in that, can you explain ? 120volts has enough to lock your muscles causing you to hold the wire. it usually doesn't have enough force to cause your muscles to 'let go' when it's cycling in the opposite polarity, though. You can sometimes free yourself by wiggling around and/or using your legs to break free of the circuit, but not always. 240volts oth usually does cause a knocking you off the line effect. Which can be very dangerous in it's own right because it's a bit more violent than the 120volt shock. Especially if you're up in a bucket truck or on a ladder, scaffolding, etc. There's probably a better way to explain it so I apologize in advance if I've only served to confuse you further. -- I think, therefor I am... I think?
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| From | Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2019-01-30 05:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <q2rcf8$au7$2@gonzo.alcatraz> |
| In reply to | #53364 |
On 2019-01-30, Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote: > "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> news:q2mmpu$17mk$1@gioia.aioe.org > Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:50:32 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: > >> Diesel, >> >>> It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely kicked >>> him off of it >> >> If he would just have touched it with the top of a finger than >> that would, if it was the live wire, probably have happened, yes. >> But if he would have thought to "just get it over with" and >> grabbed it instead ... >> >>> 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you >> >> I don't get the logic in that, can you explain ? > > 120volts has enough to lock your muscles causing you to hold the wire. > it usually doesn't have enough force to cause your muscles to 'let go' > when it's cycling in the opposite polarity, though. You can sometimes > free yourself by wiggling around and/or using your legs to break free > of the circuit, but not always. > > 240volts oth usually does cause a knocking you off the line effect. > Which can be very dangerous in it's own right because it's a bit more > violent than the 120volt shock. Especially if you're up in a bucket > truck or on a ladder, scaffolding, etc. > > There's probably a better way to explain it so I apologize in advance > if I've only served to confuse you further. When my dad Skil-saw(tm)ed through the lead the 20A magnetic breaker didn't blow and, 240V (to ground) locked it in his hand until he was able to separate the plug from the extension lead. the next day he got an isolating transformer. -- When I tried casting out nines I made a hash of it.
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| From | Diesel <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2019-02-03 02:14 +0000 |
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Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> news:q2rcf8$au7$2@gonzo.alcatraz Wed, 30 Jan 2019 05:24:56 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: > On 2019-01-30, Diesel <me@privacy.net> wrote: >> "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> >> news:q2mmpu$17mk$1@gioia.aioe.org Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:50:32 GMT >> in alt.os.linux, wrote: >> >>> Diesel, >>> >>>> It was 220volts 50mhz AC right? It would have most likely >>>> kicked him off of it >>> >>> If he would just have touched it with the top of a finger than >>> that would, if it was the live wire, probably have happened, >>> yes. >>> But if he would have thought to "just get it over with" and >>> grabbed it instead ... >>> >>>> 120volts has a higher tendency of holding you >>> >>> I don't get the logic in that, can you explain ? >> >> 120volts has enough to lock your muscles causing you to hold the >> wire. it usually doesn't have enough force to cause your muscles >> to 'let go' when it's cycling in the opposite polarity, though. >> You can sometimes free yourself by wiggling around and/or using >> your legs to break free of the circuit, but not always. >> >> 240volts oth usually does cause a knocking you off the line >> effect. Which can be very dangerous in it's own right because >> it's a bit more violent than the 120volt shock. Especially if >> you're up in a bucket truck or on a ladder, scaffolding, etc. >> >> There's probably a better way to explain it so I apologize in >> advance if I've only served to confuse you further. > > When my dad Skil-saw(tm)ed through the lead the 20A magnetic > breaker didn't blow and, 240V (to ground) locked it in his hand > until he was able to separate the plug from the extension lead. > the next day he got an isolating transformer. The reason the breakers didn't trip is because the ground wasn't bonded properly (or at all) either in his main electrical panel or outside the panel at the pole pig. Although it wasn't a good enough ground to trip the breakers, it was enough to bleed some of the voltage and current off; which caused the holding effect and limited welding effort. He wasn't getting the full 240. Some was being bled off as well as being consumed in a welding of the blade. Had he gotten the full 240, he would have let go of the saw, most likely in a tossing manner. As in, the saw would have been air borne for a moment or two. Instead, he was being held to a point, but, as you wrote, was still able to release himself. His money would have been better spent repairing the ground issue, rather than spend funds on an isolation transformer of sufficient amperage capacity to run a saw off of it. I'm sure that wasn't cheap. -- Chaos (n): mass confusion; disorder - see also American Government
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